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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

The following submissions have been registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, February 2010:

Alaric von Bern. Name and device. Per bend vert and argent, a hammer bendwise argent and an anvil reversed sable, a bordure counterchanged.

This name combines French and German, which is a step from period practice.

Alianora Alexandra da Lyshåret. Badge. (Fieldless) On a sexfoil argent a Celtic cross Or.

The use of a gold Celtic cross on a white flower is grandfathered to the submitter.

Alianora Alexandra da Lyshåret. Badge. Per pale argent and sable, a chevron rompu and in base a lozenge, all counterchanged.

Ascelina Alánn ingen Ailella. Badge. (Fieldless) A demi-wyvern displayed argent.

This is clear of the device of Chabi of Burkhan Khaldun, Per bend sinister sable and vert, a reremouse argent. There is a CD for a fieldless design and at least a CD for the difference between this demi-monster and a bat.

Atenveldt, Barony of. Order name Order of the Red Hurlebatte and badge. Argent, two palm trees, trunks in saltire and in chief a pole axe gules.

Bella Emiliana da Monte. Name and device. Argent, two chevronels azure between three roses azure barbed and seeded proper.

This device is does not conflict with the device of Conall Synclare, Argent, on a chevron between three roses azure three swallows volant contourny wings addorsed argent. Precedent says: ... the three following very dissimilar-sounding blazons can all be drawn identically, and thus should be considered heraldically equivalent: A lozenge Or charged with a lozenge gules, A lozenge Or voided gules, and A lozenge gules fimbriated Or. This heraldic equivalence will apply for any charge "simple enough to void" by the criteria stated in the Cover Letter for the November 1992 LoAR. [Cecily of Whitehaven, 06/2002, R-Æthelmearc] and [Returning Azure, two scarpes, in bend three sledgehammers bendwise sinister argent] This is returned for redraw; the scarpes are too thin. Blazoned on the LoI as Azure, on a bend sinister azure fimbriated between two hammers bendwise sinister a hammer bendwise sinister argent, a fimbriated bend cannot be the same tincture as the field it lies on. Such a bend appears to be two scarpes rather than a bend fimbriated. What was drawn very thin to act as fimbriation must be interpreted as scarpes - extremely thin scarpes, but scarpes nonetheless. They need to be two or three times wider on resubmission. [Odolf Liafwin, May 2007, R-Artemisia] and Since the unregisterable blazon is the only blazon under which the conflict exists, this is not a conflict. [Cover Letter, June 2006]

Under the Odolf precedent, a chevron argent is not registerable on an argent field. Under the Cecily precedent, Argent, a chevron azure charged with a chevron argent and Argent, a chevron argent fimbriated azure are equivalent blazons. By the Cover Letter precedent, neither is registerable. Therefore, this armory must only be conflict checked under the interpretation two chevronels. Under that interpretation, this device is clear of Conall's armory with a CD for the change of number of primary charges and another for the removal of the tertiary charge group.

Duncan Drax. Name and device. Quarterly vert and sable, a griffin contourny erminois.

Euuen Britannicus. Name change from holding name Geoffrey of Atenveldt.

Submitted as Eogan Britannicus, the submitter requested authenticity for an unspecific language/culture and time period and allowed all changes. The name Eogan Britannicus (where Britannicus means 'the Breton') was one option mentioned in the return of his previous name submission, Eogan of the Breton March, in the December 2008 LoAR. In that submission, the submitter did not request authenticity. As a result, the ruling only addressed registerability, not authenticity. While the name Eogan Britannicus is registerable, it is not authentic as we do not have any examples of Eogan in Brittany. The cognate form of the name which was used in Breton is Euuen or Even, which was one of the most common 9th C Breton masculine names found in De Courson, Cartulaire de L'Abbaye de Redon en Bretagne.

We have changed this name to Euuen Britannicus to make this name authentic as requested. The form Even Britannicus would also be authentic. We note that the submitted form, Eogan Britannicus is registerable, though not authentic.

`Ijliyah bint Rashid. Name change from holding name Kelli of Tir Ysgithr.

Ingvarr ørrabein. Name and device. Gyronny of six argent and gules, a Thor's hammer between three valknuts sable.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a valknut. Since the gyronny of six field is properly drawn, with a horizontal line, there is not another step from period practice for that. Also, there is no step from period practice for charging the center of a gyronny field that is not also arrondi. The use of a Thor's hammer is not a step from period practice.

Ingvarr ørrabein. Badge. Per pale wavy argent and gules, all semy of Thor's hammers counterchanged.

Isbera Bersadottir. Name and device. Gules, a tree stump eradicated and on a chief doubly enarched argent three lozenges gules.

Submitted as Isbera Beradóttir, the documentation supports the byname as Bersadóttir rather than Beradóttir. We have made this correction. Additionally, the documentation for the given name includes an accent on the Í. Old Norse names are registerable with the accents included or omitted, so long as the use or omission of accents is consistent throughout the name. Since the given name omits the accent, we have removed the accent from the byname. This name would also be registerable as Ísbera Bersadóttir. As determined on the February 2009 LoAR, the use of a chief doubly enarched is a step from period practice.

Kali of Atenveldt. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Per pale gules and sable, the Sanskrit word "Om" in Devangari script between three lotus blossoms in profile Or.

The submitter might be interested to know that in Tamil-speaking areas, the script in use for Sanskrit would have been very different looking. See for more information on it, and for some information on "Om". Submitted under the name Kali Amman.

Kenneth Bloodax. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Quarterly gules and sable, a double-bitted axe argent charged with three gouttes in fess gules.

Submitted under the name Bjorn Bloodax.

Mariyah al-Madiniyah. Name change from Marina de Medina and device change. Per pale azure and Or, a crescent and between its horns a mullet of four points all counterchanged.

Submitted as Mariyah al-Mediniah, the byname al-Mediniah was submitted as a feminine form of al-Madini 'from Madinah'. However, no documentation was provided for changing the second vowel from a to e, and none could be found by the College. Additionally, if the given name is transcribed Mariyah, the byname should be transcribed al-Madiniyah, since we require that Arabic names use the same transcription throughout the entire name. We have made these corrections to the byname in order to register the name. Her previous name, Marina de Medina, is retained as an alternate name. Her previous device, Erminois, a demi-lion gules., is retained as a badge.

Nikita Dobrynia Kievich. Name and device. Sable, a Latin cross inverted throughout gules fimbriated and cotised argent.

The SCA has long held that conflicts under any blazon are valid conflicts. This could be blazoned as Sable, on a Latin cross inverted cotised argent, a Latin cross inverted gules. Under that blazon, it is not in conflict with the badge of Cornwall, Sable, a cross argent. There is a CD for the addition of the secondary charges and a CD or the addition of the tertiary charge. Commenters should note that the alternate blazon must be registerable, by precedent: Since the unregisterable blazon is the only blazon under which the conflict exists, this is not a conflict. [Cover Letter, June 2004]. We would not register this device under the alternate blazon Sable, on a Latin cross inverted argent, a cross gules cotised sable, because we have prohibitions against having more than one tertiary charge group on a single underlying charge. Since we would not register that blazon, the devices are clear.

Ragnarr Lefthand. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Ragnarr the Lefthand, no documentation was provided, and none could be found, for the inclusion of the definite article in the byname. While the submitter does not allow major changes, such as dropping an element, he explicitly allowed the dropping of the if required for registration. We have changed the name to Ragnarr_Lefthand in order to register it.

This name combines Old Norse and English, which is a step from period practice.

Rober le Rous. Name and device. Azure, a turtle and a base engrailed Or.

The following submissions have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, February 2010:

Bjorn Bloodax. Name.

This name is returned for lack of documentation for the spelling Bjorn. The given name was cited from Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, but the form of the name documented there is Bj{o,}rn. As precedent notes, "In old Norse, o and {o,} are not interchangeable" [Bj{o,}rn the Hunter, LoAR 07/2009, Meridies-A]. Lind, Norsk-Isländska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn fran Medeltiden, s.n. Bi{o,}rn shows several examples of Biorn, one of which dates to 1334, but no examples of Bjorn. We would change the name to either Bj{o,}rn or Biorn, but the submitter does not allow any changes, so we are forced to return this name.

The byname Bloodax is a Lingua Anglica form of Old Norse blóðøx.

His device has been registered under the holding name Kenneth Bloodax.

Kali Amman. Name.

This name is returned for presumption, as it is a name of the goddess Kali, known variously in Tamil as Kali Mata, Kali Ma, and Kali Amman.

Sufficient evidence was found to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that Kali may have been used as a human name in India in period. However, when combined with the byname Amman, the submitted name becomes presumptuous of the goddess as Kali Amman is identical to one of the names used for this goddess. Therefore, this name must be returned.

The combination of articles used to document this name resulted in a temporal disparity issue. We want to make the submitter aware of this factor to help with any resubmission.

The given name was documented from the article "Female Chola Names". Metron Ariston provided the summary:

The article entitled "Female Chola Names" at contains material from pre-1400 inscriptions at Chola with dates that very clearly go back as early as the ninth century with the bulk of the names I looked at being from the twelfth century and before. The introduction to the article states that most names are Tamil or Tamilized Sanskrit with a very few Sanskrit forms.

The byname was documented from Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn's article "Women's Names from (Mostly) 16th Century Inscriptions at Tirupati (India)". Tangwystyl says in this article that "the names appear to be classical Sanskrit". Siren explains, "By this time, Sanskrit is a dead "language of record" like medieval Latin. Thus, I'd describe the names as "Sanskritized Tamil" rather than the other way around. The 16th c. names seem likely to also be Sanskritized Tamil" [...] or possibly Telegu".

Therefore, if a given name is documented from the first article and a byname is documented from the second, the name as a whole could easily have elements that are dated more than 300 years apart, which is a step from period practice. With a single step from period practice, a name is registerable. However, any additional step from period practice (such as one for linguistic mix), is cause for return of the name.

His device was registered under the holding name Kali of Atenveldt.

Ragnarr Lefthand. Device. Per saltire gules and sable, an axe head Or.

This item is being returned for unrecognizability of the primary charge. Section VII.7.A says that "Items must be recognizable solely from their appearance." Guesses on the identity of the primary charge varied from axe head to air horn to trumpet to cannon. While it is similar to some axe heads found as artifacts from period, it is not recognizable as any particular type of charge.

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