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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, June 2013:

Aelia Musa. Name change from Annora Wallace.

Commenters observed that Musa (as opposed to Mus) was not documented on the Letter of Intent. Green Staff was able to identify several men with the cognomen Musa in early Imperial times, allowing the name to be registered as submitted.

The submitter's previous name, Annora Wallace, is retained as an alternate name.

Alaric Schweickell. Name change from holding name Aodhan of Twin Moons and device change. Quarterly argent and vert, a smith's hammer surmounted by a key bendwise wards to base sable.

Submitted as Alaric Schweikle, this name combines a Frankish (French) given name and a German byname. While this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C, the elements must be dated to within 300 years of one another. As submitted, the given name is 12th century (that is 1199 or older) while the byname is dated to no earlier than 1541. Thus, they cannot be combined in a name submission.

Luckily, a different spelling of the byname is dated to an earlier time: Sans Repose found Schweickell dated to 1497 in Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/nurnberg1497.html). In this spelling, the names are (barely) registerable together. We have changed the name to that form in order to register the name.

The submitter indicated that he wanted to retain his name as an alternate name. However, this is a change from a holding name. Precedent says: [Isabeau d'Orange. Name change from holding name Isabeau of Kaldor Ness, 08/2012, A-An Tir] The Letter of Intent indicates that the old item is to be retained as an alternate name. This is not possible, as it is a holding name. We do not charge for a change from a holding name. Therefore, we do not allow the name to be retained. To do otherwise would effectively allow the submitter to register two names for a single fee. If the submitter wants to keep the holding name, she may submit it as an alternate name.

The same is true here; to keep this name, he would need to submit is as an alternate name.

His previous device, Lozengy gules and Or, a smith's hammer surmounted by a key bendwise wards to base sable, is retained as a badge.

Alesia Thompson. Name.

Alexander de Burdegala. Name.

Submitted as Alysaundre de Bordeaux, the submitter requested authenticity for the 12th century. The authentic form for that period would be Alexander de Burdegala. The submitter indicated that the authentic form was the one he preferred, so we have changed it to that form in order to meet his request.

Amaris le Fey. Name.

Amaris is the submitter's legal given name. It is also a grey period English feminine name, dated to 1641 in the IGI Parish Records extracts (found by Rouge Scarpe). That makes this name fully English.

Annabell Riant. Name and device. Per chevron throughout sable and azure, two fleurs-de-lys inverted and a butterfly argent.

This name mixes an English given name and a French byname; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

Annika Sveinsdóttir. Device. Per saltire argent and azure, in pale two gouttes and in fess two lizards tergiant counterchanged.

Antonia Maria de Montoya. Device change. Per bend sinister wavy Or and pean, in chief three cinquefoils in bend sinister gules.

Her previous device, Per chevron vert and sable, on a chevron throughout per pale Or and argent three cinquefoils gules, is retained as a badge.

Arianwen Sweet. Name.

Arianwen is a much later spelling of the name of a woman who lived in either the 5th or 8th century. We allow later spellings of the name because we do not have any contemporaneous spellings of the name. However, any elements mixed with those later spellings must also be temporally compatible with the dates of the woman (5th or 8th century). In this case, commenters were able to date swete as a feminine Old English byname; this is compatible with an 8th century name. Sweet, the modern spelling of the name, is allowable under the lingua Anglica allowance. However, that simply makes the name a late period spelling of an 8th century mixed Welsh/Old English name.

Arminius von Bitburg. Device. Per chevron inverted gules and sable, a sheaf of arrows and an Oriental abacus Or.

This device was pended from the May 2013 LoAR, until the discussion on how to treat sheaves of charges for purposes of arrangement was completed. As set forth on the Cover Letter, there is no unity of posture/orientation issue under SENA A3D2c with this design. There is a step from period practice for the use of an Oriental abacus.

Arnóra hnappraz. Name and device. Argent, an acorn vert and on a chief double-arched purpure two pretzels argent.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a chief double-arched.

Belle Drake. Name.

Bríán Hróbjartsson. Name.

Brighid ní Sheachnasaigh and Aldric of Galway. Joint badge. Azure, a pithon in annulo contourny vorant of its own tail Or.

Please advise the submitter to draw the pithon with a more substantial body.

Caell Robertson. Name and device. Per pale argent and sable, a dolmen counterchanged.

Submitted as Cael Robertson, Cael was documented as an early Gaelic name found only in poetic contexts. As such, it cannot be registered with Robertson. Luckily, Eastern Crown was able to find Caell as an Anglicized Irish form of Cathal dated to 1601 in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" (http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnglicizedIrish/Masculine.shtml). This name is registerable with the late period English Robertson. We have made that change in order to register the name.

Ceridwen verch Deykin. Name and device. Per pall inverted vert, azure and argent, in base a frog sable.

Submitted as Ceridwen merch Deykin, the byname is not temporally compatible. The particle merch is an early form, that is not compatible with the later medieval Deykin. The medieval form is verch. We have made that change in order to register the name.

Ceridwen is the submitter's legal given name.

Christine atte Wode. Name change from Þórdís Hrefnudóttir and device. Or, an owl's head cabossed between three roses purpure and a bordure wavy azure.

This name does not conflict with the registered Cristiane Woayde. The end of the given names and the addition of atte create at least two syllables difference in sound and appearance. The submitter's previous name, Þórdís Hrefnudóttir, is retained as an alternate name.

Christopher Ravenhill. Name.

Nice 16th century English name!


Clara Makkynnay. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Nice 16th century Scots name!

Collette Marion Cooke. Name and device. Sable, on a cross argent five mullets azure, a bordure engrailed argent.

Daniel Evelgest. Name and device. Sable, on a fess between three hourglasses argent, a roundel between an increscent and a decrescent sable.

Nice 12th century English name! There is a step from period practice for the use of the "phases of the moon" motif.

Donndubán mac Eógain. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Nice 10th or 11th century Gaelic name!

Eilidh MacMurtrie. Alternate name Clarisse Savoir.

The citation from the Letter of Intent for the byname is for a "community contributed" IGI record. These are contributed by amateur genealogists, and are often not reliable. Names are normalized and standardized without notation; sometimes information is based on family stories rather than documents. As such, they should not be relied upon as documentation. A name documented only from such a source is not registerable.

Luckily, Sans Repose pointed out that dictus Savoir was dated as a byname to 1277 in her "Latinized French Names from 12th and 13th C Parisian Cartularies." Thus, this can be registered as submitted.

This name mixes an English given name and a French byname; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

Elza Scarlet. Name.

Nice 16th century English name!

Gabriel Boyle. Name and device. Per bend sinister gules and argent, three beehives Or and a badger rampant sable.

Nice 14th century (or later) English name!

Gwenfrewi of Abergavenny. Name and device. Argent, in pale three arrows bendwise inverted sable and on a chief azure three hearts argent.

The documentation for the spelling Gwenfrewi is based on an assertion in Withycombe that it is a Welsh name. Withycombe is not dependable for non-English names. The spelling Gwen vrewy is dated to 1527 in Sabine Baring-Gould and John Fisher,The Lives of the British Saints: The Saints of Wales, Cornwall and Irish Saints. They also assert that the spelling Gwenfrewi is found in the 15th or 16th century Peniarth manuscripts; commenters were able to confirm that spelling was found there. Thus it can be registered as submitted.

This name does not conflict with the registered Gwenhwyvar of Abergavenny; the last two syllables of the given names are quite different in sound and appearance.

Please advise the submitter to draw the arrows more clearly in pale with the tips of the barbs aligned vertically.

Isabelle de Calais. Device. Azure, on a pile argent a lily purpure.

James of Atenveldt. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Or, in saltire an axe and a sword sable, a bordure rayonny azure.

Submitted under the name Duncan Saint Claire.

Josselyn the Red. Device. Per fess azure and Or, a lion dormant and a butterfly counterchanged.

Kára Kaladóttir. Name.

Kara of Twin Moons. Reblazon of device. Per pale gules and Or, a lymphad under sail between three mullets of six points, a bordure all counterchanged.

Blazoned when registered in December 2005 as Per pales gules and Or, a lymphad under sail between three mullets of six points, a bordure all counterchanged, the field division was misspelled.

Katrín Andsvarsdóttir. Name and device. Argent, a brown bear passant proper and on a chief azure four mullets argent.

The submitter requested authenticity for 9th to 10th century Viking. This name does not meet that request. First, we have no evidence Katrín was used before the 12th century. Second, the patronymic form is typical of Sweden, not places like Iceland, where we'd expect {O,}zurrdóttir. But the name is registerable as submitted.

Nice device!

Layla bint Suleiman al-Urduni. Name change from Genevieve Gabrielle Plubel d'Avon.

Submitted as Layla bint Suleiman al-Nahral-Urduni, the name Suleiman was misspelled on the Letter of Intent as Sulieman. We have corrected that error in order to register that name. The name al-Nahral-Urduni is intended to indicate a connection to the Jordan River today known as Nahr al-Urdun. Unfortunately, locative bynames are not created in Arabic from compounded phrases like this. Instead, we'd expect a name like al-Urduni "of Jordan," which could refer either to the river itself, or to the region, as Wikipedia notes that al-Urdun was used to refer to the area as early as the 8th century. Thus, we have changed the byname to the constructible al-Urduni in order to register it.

The submitter's previous name, Genevieve Gabrielle Plubel d'Avon, is retained an alternate name.

Livid le Coi. Name (see RETURNS for device and badge).

Mary de la Bere. Name.

Nice 13th century English name!


Mathghamhain Drake. Name.

This name mixes a Gaelic given name and an English byname; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.


Mathias MacCooel. Device. Per bend sinister gules and sable, in saltire three hearts in bend sinister between two tygers combattant in bend argent.


Morgan Fabell. Name and device. Argent, in saltire two axes azure and in base a gunstone, a chief azure.


Mstislav syn Volui. Name and device. Argent, a bat-winged manticore segreant gules, headed and winged sable.


Qara Keirije. Name change from Hrefna Gandalfsdottir.

Appearing on the Letter of Intent as Qara Keiije, the spelling on the forms (and the documented form) is Qara Keirije.

The submitter's previous name, Hrefna Gandalfsdottir, is retained as an alternate name.


Raimundus Castellano. Name and device. Gules, a cross of Santiago and a bordure denticulada Or.

The submitter expressed interest in a form suitable for the 12th century. In 12th century Castilian, the byname form that commenters could find is el Castellano (from El Mio Cid in CORDE). But the name is registerable as is.


Remy Riant. Name and device. Per bend sinister sable and azure, a fleur-de-lys inverted argent.

Nice 15th century French name!


Robert MacNair. Name and device. Erminois, three rams rampant sable.

Nice 15th century Scots name! Nice device!


Rosa Duvanova doch' Sychevna. Name change from Rose Ella Duvanovicha doch' Sychevna and device. Per pale argent and sable, two harpies addorsed counterchanged.

Submitted as Rosa Duvanova 'doch Sychevna, the correct form of the word for "daughter" is doch' (this is also the form grandfathered to her). We have made that change in order to register it. This name mixes a Hungarian given name with Russian bynames; this combination is grandfathered to the submitter. The submitter's previous name, Rose Ella Duvanovicha doch' Sychevna, is released.

Rosa Duvanova doch' Sychevna. Badge. Per fess argent and azure, three trees blasted sable and an owl argent.

Rosa Duvanova doch' Sychevna. Badge. Per fess argent and vert, three trees proper and an owl Or.

Rylan MacLean. Device. Quarterly gules and argent, on a sun counterchanged a fleur-de-lys Or.

Sabiha bint Yuhanna al-Dimashqi. Name.

Seonaid inghean Mhuireadhaigh and Randolph Caparulo. Joint badge. (Fieldless) A sheaf of five arrows inverted sable bound gules.

Simon de Rouen. Badge. (Fieldless) A demi-maiden couped sustaining a lyre and maintaining a rose slipped and leaved Or.

This badge is not in conflict with the badge of Juhana Maununpoika Kivisuo, (Fieldless) A demi-maiden representing Saint Agatha proper, crined and haloed Or, vested per pale sable and Or, maintaining on a tray gules her severed breasts proper. Juhana's demi-maiden is considered Or, and so there is no DC for change of tincture, but there is a DC for fieldlessness and another DC for the addition of the sustained lyre.

Tanne Atzler. Device. Sable, a pall inverted Or cotised erminois.

Tiron syn Khorliazh. Name.

Submitted as Tirion syn Khorliazh, the given name was hypothesized as a variant of the late period Tirun and Tiron. However, the submitter gave no reason that he believed this to be a plausible variant, and commenters could find no evidence for an additional vowel to be inserted in a Russian name. Barring such evidence, this hypothetical form cannot be registered. We have changed the name to the documented Tiron.

Tommaso Navarre de Verdello. Name and device. Quarterly purpure and sable, within a decrescent Or between two mullets in pale another mullet argent.

The submitter requested authenticity for the 12th to the 15th century. As this name mixes a French element (Navarre) in an otherwise Italian name, this cannot be made authentic for either French or Italian. However the name is registerable.

While the Letter of Intent hypothesizes de Verdello as a mixed language element, it is completely (Latinized) Italian.

This name mixes French and Italian; this is an allowable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

Wade Greenwall. Name and device. Per pale vert masoned Or and argent masoned sable, a tower counterchanged argent and vert.

Eastern Crown was able to date the byname to 1628 England in the FamilySearch Historical Records.


Zoryna Venitsa. Name and device. Purpure, a sickle between three mullets Or.

Please advise the submitter to draw a thicker blade on the sickle.


The following have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, June 2013:

Beverly FitzAlan de Stirkelaunde. Badge. (Fieldless) A pigeon maintaining a lily slipped argent.

This badge is returned for conflict with the badge of Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, Per chevron argent and vert, in base a falcon close argent. There is a DC for fieldlessness, but nothing for the maintained lily, the change in placement upon the field, or the type of bird.

This badge is also returned for conflict with the badge of Branwen le Baxtere, (Fieldless) A raven argent maintaining a stalk of wheat fesswise Or. There is a DC for fieldlessness, but nothing for the change in type of maintained charge, or for the type of bird.

Clara Makkynnay. Device. Purpure, a wildcat sejant guardant and on a chief potenty argent three pansies purpure.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Commenters were unable to identify the pansies as anything other than oddly-colored blobs. The term pansy in period referred to heartsease, not the modern pansy that is a hybridized species, shown in this depiction. Pansies should be drawn with five distinct petals, not four. A period depiction of a pansy can be seen at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Embroidered_bookbinding_Elizabeth_I.jpg

Donndubán mac Eógain. Device. Per chevron sable and vert, a chevron between two compass stars and a sword inverted argent.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Da'oud al-Dimashqi, Per chevron sable and vert, a chevron between a decrescent and an increscent and an oak leaf argent, and with the device of Eithne ingen Fhaelain Duib, Per chevron sable and vert, a chevron between an increscent, a decrescent, and a wolf rampant argent. In both cases there is a DC for change in type of the secondary charges, but nothing else.

There is a step from period practice for the use of compass stars.

Duncan Saint Claire. Name.

Unfortunately, this name conflicts with the registered Phillip MacDuncan Sinclair, as it makes a claim to be his father.

The names do not conflict in appearance, but they do conflict in sound. While Sinclair is different in appearance from Saint Claire, their pronunciation by many people in modern England is identical, as \sin-CLAIR\; they are understood to be two spellings of the same name. Thus, they must conflict. We note that this name could be registered with Phillip's permission. While we do not allow the registration of identical names, we allow people to make the claim of relationship with a registered person with their permission.

His device has been registered under the holding name James of Atenveldt.

Ivar of Elsinore. Device. Per pale gules and argent, a cross throughout barbed at the foot counterchanged, a chief sable.

This device is returned for providing no evidence of the motif of barbing a cross only at the foot. We contemplated considering this as a modification of a cross barby and calling it a step from period practice, but we also have no evidence of crosses barby in period heraldry at all.

Livid le Coi. Device. Azure, a koi haurient argent marked Or and a base wavy argent.

This device is returned for using a charge which has not been demonstrated to have been known to Europeans in period, and may itself be post-period. Precedent says:

This device must be returned for using a charge which has not been demonstrated to have been known to Europeans in period. Goldfish have long been bred as pets in China, but the fantail goldfish appears to have originated during the Ming dynasty. They do not appear to have been known to Western Europe until the 19th century. This places them outside the domain of the Society, making them unsuitable as heraldic charges, barring evidence that they were known to Western Europeans in period. Lacking such evidence, we must return the device. [Elinor Strangewayes of Dorset, R-East, July 2007 LoAR]

Livid le Coi. Badge. (Fieldless) A polypus Or marked azure.

Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as annulety, the annulets are not distinguishable from the rings and other markings expected as artistic detail on a polypus. Therefore, they are not considered as tertiary charges.

This badge is returned for conflict with the badge of Isabel de Kelsey, (Fieldless) A polypus Or, and with the device of Bridget Popham, Per pale purpure and sable, a polypus Or. In both cases there is a DC for fieldlessness, but nothing else.

Morgan MacDuff. Device. Sable, a death's head within a dragon in annulo vorant of its tail argent.

This device is returned for redraw, for blurring the distinction between the primary and secondary charge groups. Here the centermost charge, the death's head, is not drawn sufficiently large to be obviously the primary charge. The surrounding dragon is itself rather anemic, and so is not obviously the primary charge either. The dragon is also nearly indistinguishable from a pithon, something which may also be cause for return.


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