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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

ATENVELDT REGISTRATIONS by the College of Arms, May 2004:

Ălfred Lionstar of Ravenspur. Household name House Lionstar and badge for House Lionstar. Sable, a mullet between three lion's heads cabossed Or.

Asha Batu. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Denis of the Titans. Augmentation. Per pale vert and argent, a lion passant counterchanged, armed, langued and orbed gules and as an augmentation on a canton azure a whelk within a bordure Or.

Diek Rabynovich. Device. Per pale indented vert and Or, in chief two eagles rising respectant wings displayed and in base two pine trees couped, all counterchanged.

Dufen Ey­im÷rkingr. Device. Per pale vert and Or, a chevron inverted counterchanged.

Gallant O'Driscole. Device. Per chevron vert and argent, two double-bitted axes argent and a compass rose sable.

Please instruct the submitter to raise the top point of the line of division.

Godfrey von Rheinfels. Name and device. Azure semy of suns, a bend sinister dovetailed Or.

This name combines English and German elements, which is one step from period practice.á Some commenters wondered whether Rheinfels was a period spelling for this name, but no one found a period citation for this undoubtedly period castle. Therefore, we are giving the submitter the benefit of the doubt for the spelling of the byname.

Katalena Aleksandrova. Badge. Argent, a chevron vert and a bordure purpure.

Natal'ia Diekova zhena Rabynovicha. Device. Vert, a tree eradicated Or between flaunches Or ermined vert.

Terence O'Quinlan. Name and device. Or, a cross crosslet fitchy vert and a demi-sun issuant from chief sable.

ATENVELDT RETURNS by the College of Arms, May 2004:

Amalric d'Acre. Badge. (Fieldless) A rat sejant erect, paws resting atop a roundel sable.

This violates RfS VII.7.b, Reconstruction Requirement. The relative sizes or the roundel and rat generated much discussion as to whether the roundel was sustained or maintained. The size is such that we cannot come up with a blazon that adequately describes this "so that a competent heraldic artist can reproduce the armory solely from the blazon." The roundel should be made either larger (so as to be co-primary) or smaller (to be maintained). In any case it will need to be checked for conflict again, and it would still be necessary to come up with a blazon that would guarantee reproducibility.

Asha Batu. Device. Azure, two fire arrows crossed in saltire argent enflamed gules fimbriated Or, surmounted by an urga argent.

The arrows, except for the flames, are argent. Thus, as noted by Ounce, this conflicts with Gillian Olafsdottir d'Uriel: Azure, three staves crossed at the nombril point argent. The urga is essentially a staff, so X.2 does not apply, leaving just one CD for changing the type of two of three charges in a sheaf and nothing for the enflaming nor the point where the charges cross. Ounce is also correct in that this conflicts with Loran Redbow: Azure, three fire-arrows bendwise sinister in bend argent, enflamed proper. There's a CD for arrangement but nothing for changing type of one of three charges in the group (as we are not comparing groups of three arranged two and one).

In addition there is a problem with the use of an urga. This would be the initial registration of the charge. Several commentors noted the need for documentation, but Siren said it best:

While I think we might be slightly more lenient on this sort of artifact, no evidence has been presented that (1) this resembles a modern urga or (2) that an urga is a period object. Brickbat tells us that pictures exist; sharing them with the College, or at least with Wreath would allow a judgement of whether this resembles a modern urga. Brickbat asserts that a modern legend mentioning an urga "given the nature of folklore and legend, [she] would hazard to say was being told to period listeners." However, extensive research by social scientists, ethnomusicologists, and students of literature make it clear that many "ancient and traditional" stories have roots that are very shallow. As an example from folk music, Scarborough Fair only dates to the turn of the century, and Tam Lin only to the 18th century.

Thus, the existence of a modern legend is not sufficient for registration. Further documentation for an urga as a period artifact will be needed in order to register an urga as a charge.

The flames on the arrows should be drawn as alternating tongues of Or and gules.


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