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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, January 2008:

Aasni Ragnhildsdotter. Name and device. Per chevron purpure and barry wavy Or and azure, two clay pots and a whelk argent.

Argyll MacPherson. Badge. Per saltire sable and azure, in pale two towers argent and in fess two wolves courant Or.

Ascelina MacNeil de Ross. Name and device. Argent, four bear's paw prints in cross sable.

Originally submitted as Ascelina de Ross MacNeil, the name was listed on the LoI as Ascelina MacNeil de Ross. No mention was made of the change or the reason for it. Submissions heralds, please note that such omissions may trigger an administrative return. In this case, correspondence from kingdom revealed that the change was made to make the name registerable (indeed, precedent states that locative bynames in Anglicized Gaelic byname phrases must follow the patronymic), so we will accept the name this time. Please note that if this kingdom fails to mention such changes in future, the item will be administratively returned.

The use of paw prints is a step from period practice.

Aurelia Nomadikη. Name and device. Gules, three scorpions Or.

Submitted as Aurelia Nomadikas, the grammar of the byname is incorrect. The byname is an adjective, and the correct adjectival feminine ending in this case is -η (eta). We have changed the name to Aurelia Nomadikη to correct the grammar.

Nice armory. Blazoned on the LoI as Gules, three scorpions gules., a color emblazon was present in OSCAR and most commenters noted that the scorpions are actually Or. Thus, this need not be pended for further conflict checking.

This device does not conflict with Robin the Ruthless in Battel, Gules, a scorpion, within the curve of its tail a heart, and maintaining in each pincer a heart all Or, reblazoned elsewhere on this letter. There is a CD for the number of scorpions and another for removing the secondary heart.

Erin of Atenveldt. Holding name and device. Azure, on a fess argent between a crescent and two scimitars in saltire Or a lotus flower in profile azure.

Please advise the submitted to draw the fess somewhat lower so that the field is more evenly divided and so that the crescent can be drawn larger.

Submitted under the name Amirah al-Zahra, that name was returned on the July 2007 LoAR.

Kazimir Konstantinov. Name and device. Azure, two eagle's heads erased respectant and a goblet Or.

Sara Rebecka Chadburn. Name.

Originally submitted as Sara Rebbeca Chadbourne, the name was changed at kingdom to Sara Rebecka Chadburn; however, no mention of this change was made on the LoI. Submissions heralds, please note that failure to mention changes is grounds for returns. We note that if this happens again with this kingdom, we will be forced to return such items. In this case, correspondence with kingdom revealed that the name was changed to match available documentation and that the changes had been approved by the submitter.

The following have been returned for additional work, January 2008:

Elias Loredan. Badge. (Fieldless) A horse rampant argent charged with a compass rose sable within and conjoined to a bordure embattled argent.

This badge was withdrawn by the submitter.

Fabio Ventura. Device change. Quarterly sable and azure, a skull argent.

This device is returned for conflict with the device for Stephan Totenkopf, Gules, a human skull argent pierced gules wearing a winged helmet, in its mouth a broken sword, all argent. There is a CD for changes to the field. The addition or removal of a hat is worth no difference: this is similar to the way we treat crowns. If evidence is found that period heralds considered that addition or removal of a hat to be a cadency step - or to represent different charges altogether - we will reconsider the issue of whether or not there is a CD for such hats. Nor is the fact the hat is, in this case, winged count for difference here: while the addition or removal of wings on a monster is a CD, the same is not true when dealing with a winged helmet as the wings are visually a much smaller proportion of the entire charge.

The submitted device does not conflict with the badge for Valentine Christian Warner, Purpure, a skull argent wearing a fool's cap per pale ermine and Or. There is a CD for changes to the field. In this case, the hat is half of the charge; therefore, there is a second CD for changing half the tincture of the primary charge. Nor does the submitted device conflict with the badge for Feliciano Grimaldi, (Fieldless) A skull argent, wearing a fool's hat with three tassels gules, erminois, and azure. There is a CD for adding the field and another for changing the tincture of half the primary charge.

The submitter has permission to conflict with Achbar ibn Ali, (Fieldless) A skull argent, within the dexter eye socket a rose gules.

Galen McKintoch. Device. Sable, a bend abased Or fimbriated vert, in sinister chief a wing bendwise inverted terminating in a hand sustaining a sword bendwise argent.

This is returned for administrative reasons: the emblazon in OSCAR does not match the emblazon received by Laurel. The vert portion on either side of the bend differed significantly in width between the two emblazons. On resubmission we recommend drawing the wing smaller so that the bend need not be abased. The Rules for Submission section VIII.3 states that "Voiding and fimbriation may only be used with simple geometric charges placed in the center of the design." Prior rulings have disallowed fimbriation of bends abased or enhanced. We leave open the question of whether or not a bend fimbriated can be blazoned as on a bend a bendlet in order to register the same design. If this is resubmitted with a bend abased, the submitter should be prepared to argue why a bend abased charged with a bendlet should be allowed.

If the submitter wishes a wing and sword in this arrangement (more or less), he would do better to forego the wing terminating in a hand. That arrangement almost invariably has the wing in its normal posture, with the sword fesswise reversed above it. Putting that motif bendwise inverted, as in this submission, makes it harder to identify. A better choice would be issuant from a sinister wing a hand sustaining a sword bendwise: a displayed sinister wing, with a hand coming out of the lower end to hold the sword. See the August 2005 Cover Letter for examples and further explanation.

Pelagius Marius Calvus. Name and device. Per chevron inverted gules and azure, a Latin cross formy argent.

This name has the structure of a classic Roman tria nomina, but the name Pelagius is not a documented praenomen. We would drop this element, but the submitter will not allow major changes. For the same reason, we are unable to rearrange the elements to Marius Pelagius Calvus to represent a name of the form nomen + cognomen + agnomen. Therefore, we are forced to return this submission.

The submitter requested an authentic Roman name. Roman names have several possible forms, depending on the period in which they are found. If the submitter is interested in a classic tria nomina, then true praenomen is required. Metron Ariston explains:

While Marius is a well-documented Roman nomen (whose most notable bearer was probably the general and consul who held sway at Rome from around 107 B.C. on) and Calvus a familiar cognomen as in the name of Gaius Licinius Macer Calvus, the friend of Catullus, the Pelagian element is problematic. In origin it is not Latin but Greek and, as far as I can tell, was never used as a praenomen nor a cognomen in ordinary Latin circles. The name Pelagius was borne, probably in the same manner as common geographical or ethnic adjectives used for slaves and foreigners. (Pelagius is the Latin transliteration of the Greek name [Greek] which means "of the sea". It was apparently borne by the British monk who was a contemporary of Augustine, but it is somewhat doubtful that it was his birth name and may have been applied to him because of his origins. In any case, if he really wants a name authentic for "Roman", I would strongly suggest he either use a documented praenomen (Publius leaps to mind as one that would be quite similar in sound)

If the submitter is interested in a Roman name after 250 AD (or so), Loyall has these suggestions:

Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2206 says:

Early in the third century the praenomen fell out of use in Rome and the traditional tria nomina was supplanted (at least among the nobility) by a new system of nomen, cognomen, and agnomen. By your date of 250 CE most men had names composed of a nomen and one or more cognomina.

Thus, this name could be given a structure authentic for a later Imperial Roman name if we switched the order, making Marius (a nomen) the first element.

This device is returned for conflict with the badge for the Order of Dannebrog (important non-SCA badge), (Fieldless) A cross formy argent fimbriated gules. There is a CD for adding the field but nothing for removing the fimbriation or extending the lower limb of the cross. The submitted device also conflicts with the device for Seth Williamson of Exeter, Lozengy purpure and Or, a cross formy fitchy argent. There is a CD for changes to the field but nothing for the changes to the lower limb of the cross.

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