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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)


Angelina al-Jabaliyya. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Angeline de Jebal Tariq, no documentation was provided and none found for the spelling Angeline in period. The submitter included documentation showing a possibly modernized Angelina in Cordoba in the 15th C. We were this able to find this spelling in both early and late 16th C Spanish documents; the name <Angelina> is dated to 1594 and 1503 in CORDE. The 1594 citation is from Documentos de la casa Bocangelina (1562-1710); it is an attestation of baptism listing the parents "Paulo baba y Angelina bocangelina." The 1503 citation is from Don Fernando al receptor de bienes confiscados por herejía en Cataluña, ordenándole no ponga obstácu ... and notes an Angelina Saluada. Given these early 16th C citations we are willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that Angelina is also a reasonable 15th C Spanish spelling.

The byname is more problematic. First, it mixes the Latin or Spanish de with an Arabic placename in violation of RfS III.1.a, which requires linguistic consistency within a name phrase. In addition, we have no evidence for nisba formed from compound placenames that use the full compound within the nisba. Palimpsest observes: The byname <al-Jabaliyya> is exactly what I'd expect for a woman from <Jabal T.{a-}riq>. The byname <al-Jabal{i-}> is found in al-Andalus, as you note. With most compound placenames only one of the two elements is used in a locative byname; cases from al-Andalus include <al-Zahar{i-}> 'from Medina Azahara,' <al-Qas.r{i-}> 'from Qas.r Kut{a-}ma,' and <al-Ma`qil{i-}> 'from Nahr al-Ma`qil (in Basra, Iraq).' So, <Angelline al-Jabaliyya> is also possible.

We have changed the name to Angelina al-Jabaliyya in order to register it. We note that Angelina de Gibraltar is also registerable.

Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Badge for the populace. Per fess azure and Or, a sun counterchanged.
Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Badge. Or, on a fess azure between two wolves passant counter-passant gules three fireballs Or.
Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Badge. Or, a saltire azure between in pale two phoenixes gules and in fess two fireballs sable enflamed gules.

Catyln O'Sullivan. Device. Per bend vert and argent, a sheaf of arrows inverted and a horse passant counterchanged.

A sheaf refers to an arrangement of three charges: two in saltire with the third palewise. A sheaf of arrows is generally tied but, as in this case, need not be.

Catyln O'Sullivan. Badge. (Fieldless) A horse passant vert charged with a sheaf of arrows inverted argent.

Dubhchobhlaigh inghean Eoin uí Ealaighthe. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Dubhchobhlaigh inghean Eoin O'hEalaighthe, the second patronymic combines the English particle O' with a Gaelic patronym in violation of RfS III.1.a, Linguistic Consistency. While the submitter noted that she would not accept major changes such as a change of language, she noted that she would accept the change of O' to an appropriate Gaelic form. We have changed the name to Dubhchobhlaigh inghean Eoin uí Ealuighthe in order to correct the grammar.

Dylan Bond MacLeod. Device. Or, five scarpes gules between two Hungerford knots sable.

A number of commenters stated that this central group of charges should be blazoned as a bend sinister bendy sinister gules and Or. While that is not an incorrect blazon, the submitted blazon is valid and is thus retained. While the commenters were correct that five scarpes would generally take up more of the shield, when between two secondary charges the scarpes are compressed (moved closer together), just as an ordinary is often drawn narrower when between charges.

Elizabeth Iames. Name and device. Azure, on a chevron inverted argent three dragonflies palewise gules, in chief a wolf passant argent.
Heile Kozak. Name and device. Or, a butterfly azure within an orle vert.
Julianna Wilkins. Device. Per chevron throughout argent and purpure, two trees eradicated proper and a bat-winged cat sejant argent maintaining a rapier proper.

Kalea of House Lavender Rose. Reblazon of device. Ermine, a serpent coiled sable sustaining by its slip a rose purpure barbed seeded and slipped vert.

Registered October 1987 with the blazon Ermine, a rose bendwise sinister purpure, barbed, seeded and slipped vert, its stem entwined by a serpent sable, all within a bordure purpure, the relative sizes of the rose and serpent were unclear from the blazon.

Mitsuhide Shinjirō. Name (see RETURNS for device).

There was some question about the transliteration ō in Japanese names. Current precedent states:

Submitted as Katō Tatsuko, the family name is properly transcribed with a macron over the o. This is typically shown as either Katou or Katō. When possible, the College of Arms prefers to use transliterations that use Roman characters. We have changed the name to Katou Tatsuko in order to register it. [Katou Tatsuko. November 2007]

We note that ou and ō are equally valid transliterations; if one is used consistently in a name, there is no reason to change it to the other. However, when an invalid transliteration is used, or a name mixes the two transliterations, the transliteration without the macron is preferred.

Nakas Sandor. Name and device. Per bend sinister sable crusilly patonce Or and azure, two legless dragons erect respectant, tails entwined and four wolf's teeth issuant from sinister argent.

Submitted as Sándór A Makacs, as submitted the name had four problems.

First, no documentation was submitted and none found showing that the word Makacs, meaning "stubborn, like a mule," is found in period. The submitted documentation showed the word from a modern Hungarian-English dictionary, but this shows modern usage. Barring documentation that Makacs is a word found in period, this name element is not registerable. Eastern Crown notes: For "stubborn", there's <nyakas>, which is literally "with neck, necky". It can also mean "strong, well-muscled", according to Kazmer. He has 26 period cites, between 1330 and 1573. Spellings: <Nyakas> 14, <Nakas> 6, <N{y:}akas> 2, <Niakas> 2, <Nokos> 1.

Second, no evidence was provided that an article such as A was used in period in Hungarian descriptive bynames.

Third, the word order of the name is incorrect. Hungarian names in period are recorded in two forms: Latin forms, and Hungarian forms. In Latin forms, the word order is given + byname. In such names, the given name is always a Latin form, although the byname may be a Hungarian form. In Hungarian forms, the word order is always byname + given. In such cases Hungarian forms are used for both elements. Because the given name Sándór is a Hungarian form, the order of names in this submission is incorrect.

Finally, use of diacritical marks in Hungarian is post-period.

Given all of these things, we have changed the name to Nakas Sandor in order to register it.

While wolf's teeth have been returned for not reaching the center line of the shield, in this case three of the four do cross the center line, and the topmost is just shy of the line of division, therefore this depiction is acceptable.

Raven Mayne and Tvoislava Michelovna. Joint badge. Per pall inverted gules, sable and argent, in pale a decrescent argent and a gout de sang.

Reynier de Vriere. Name and device. Vert, a chief-pale ermine.

The chief-pale (or chéf-pal) is a Continental charge, which is usually treated as an ordinary (Woodward 120). It is found as early as 1415, in the Concilium zu Constenz, fo. clxxxi, and described in de Bara's Blason des Armoiries, 1581, p. 37. In both cases it's drawn as a chief and a pale, conjoined but with no seam where the charges meet. Certainly by the end of our period, it was considered a single charge, and we will do so as well. There is a CD between a pale and a chief-pale, and a substantial (X.2) difference between a chief-pale and any other ordinary.

If a device combines a chief and a pale of different tinctures (e.g., Azure, a pale Or and a chief argent), or with different complex lines (Azure, a pale engrailed and a chief argent), then it will not be considered a chief-pale. Like the chief, the chief-pale cannot be voided, fimbriated, or cotised. It can be charged with tertiaries, but (as the example in de Bara shows) the tertiaries must cover the entire charge, both the horizontal and vertical portions. Within those guidelines, we welcome further registrations of the charge.

We note that several prior registrations of a pale and chief exist. We are not reblazoning them at this time; however, if the owners wish them blazoned as chief-pales we will be happy to do so.

Willehalm Greywolf. Name and device. Argent, in bend a talbot's head erased contourny sable and a talbot's head erased gules, a bordure embattled per bend sinister gules and sable.

Submitted as Willahelm Greywolf, the spelling Willahelm was documented from Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names. Withycombe is not reliable documentation for non-English forms. A document dated to 1309 in Monasterium ( notes "ich herr Willehalm von Staina ritter und min sun Willehalm" (I, herr Wilhelm von Steinach and my son Wilhelm) The original source is Chartularium Sangallense V, Nr. 2714, S. 160 (Reg. ep. Const. II, S. 469, n53. - Thurg. UB VII, S. 842, Nachtrag 43 (beide nach B)). We have changed the name to Willehalm Greywolf in order to register it.

This name mixes German and English; this is one step from period practice.

Blazoned on the LoI as dog's heads, the primary charges are identifiably talbot's heads. As there is currently a discussion on whether or not a CD will be granted between a wolf's head and various dog's heads, we have elected to explicitly blazon the type of head.


Angelina al-Jabaliyya. Device. Argent, a chevron throughout gules between two crosses moline and a horse salient contourny azure.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Sabina de Mordone, Argent, a chevron gules between two lions and a Catherine wheel azure. There is one CD for changing the type of secondary charges, but none between a chevron and a chevron throughout.

Dubhchobhlaigh inghean Eoin uí Ealaighthe. Device. Vert, a fleece and two filled drop spindles one and two argent.

This device is returned for conflict with the device for Helva of Saxony, Vert, a full drop-spindle argent; there is a single CD for changing the number of charges. The blazon on the LoI, Vert, a fleece and in base two filled drop spindles in fess argent, suggests a really big fleece and two spindles shoved into base. In point of fact, the fleece barely fills the space above the per fess line, and the spindles are about as large as they can be in the space remaining, making this three co-primary charges. Her previous submission really did have a primary and two secondary charges.

Fergus MacInnes. Device. Sable, eight oars conjoined at their handles and fanned to base, in chief a cannon barrel reversed Or, all within a bordure argent.

This device is returned as the primary charge group cannot be blazoned in a way that would allow the emblazon to be recreated. This problem is mostly due to the arrangement of the oars, which follows no period heraldic pattern that we know. If this design is resubmitted, it should use fewer oars and the oars should be arranged in a standard heraldic motif.

Katheline van Weye and Ryan Dollas. Joint badge. (Fieldless) A windmill vert, sailed purpure, issuant from an earthen mount proper.

This is returned as there is no defined proper tincture for dirt; dirt can vary significantly in color from red to brown to white. The ground beneath a windmill, like that of a beacon, is an optional detail worth no difference. However, a windmill actually issuant from a mount or a trimount would be a CD from a windmill.

We grant a CD for changing the tincture of a windmill's sails, therefore the sails must be drawn such that they are half the charge. The sails on this windmill are too small, which is also grounds for return.

Mitsuhide Shinjirō. Device. Gules, on a fess wavy sable fimbriated five roundels in annulo argent.

This device is returned for a redraw. As has previously been ruled with overly wide fesses: [Argent, on a fess urdy vert between three roses gules seeded argent barbed vert and a dolphin naiant contourny argent] This is returned for redraw. The "fess" is drawn so wide that it blurs the distinction between what heraldic custom dictates (a fess) and what the eye sees (a chief and a base). If the submitter wishes this basic design, it should be emblazoned such that the center portion of the shield is clearly a charged fess and not a dolphin between a charged chief and charged base. [Pierre de Montereau, 04/2006]

Similarly, if the submitter wishes this basic design, it should be emblazoned such that the center portion of the shield is clearly a charged fess and not a group of roundels between a fimbriated chief and fimbriated base (which would not be allowed as peripheral ordinaries cannot be fimbriated).

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