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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

The following submissions were register by the S.C.A. College of Arms, May 2014:

Bianca Charbonneau. Name and device. Argent, an owl displayed and on a chief sable three fleurs-de-lys argent.

This name combines an Italian given name and French byname. This is an accepted lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a non-eagle displayed.

Denton Tanner. Name and device. Per bend argent and azure, a chamfron and a horse's head couped contourny counterchanged.

Please advise the submitter to draw internal detailing on the horse's head.

Gwyneth O Callaghan. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Heinrich der Han. Name and device. Quarterly vert and sable, in chief two roosters respectant Or.

Submitted as Heinrich der Hahn, the submitter requested authenticity for "German language/culture". The name is wholly German. The given name Heinrich is found in Germany from the late 13th century through 16th century. The spelling Hahn (without the definite article der) is dated to the 16th century, whereas an earlier spelling, found in the mid-14th and 16th centuries, is Han (derived from zum Hane, Brechenmacher, s.n. Hahn). The pattern der + animal is found c.1300 (Socin, p. 448).

Therefore, an authentic 14th century form of the name would be Heinrich der Han, and an authentic 16th century form would be Heinrich Hahn. We have changed the name to the 14th century form in order to meet the submitter's authenticity request. If the submitter prefers the originally submitted name or the late period form, he can submit a Request for Reconsideration.

The submitter may wish to know that the name Han/Hahn can be used to describe an "excessively haughty, strutting, and pompous person" (Brechenmacher) in addition to referring to a rooster (the bird).

Nice cant!

Randolph Greenwall. Name and device. Vert, a harp and on a chief embattled Or three axes palewise reversed vert.

Sandhya of Atenveldt. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Gyronny argent and sable, a lotus flower in profile and an orle purpure.

Submitted under the name Sandhya Kesari.

ing submissions are returned by the College of Arms for further work, May 2014:

Gwyneth O Callaghan. Device. Argent, an ash-tree eradicated proper issuant from base and on a chief azure a sun Or and a decrescent argent.

This device is returned for violating SENA A3E2, which states complexity of a design is "measured by adding the number of types of charges to the number of tinctures. Items with a complexity count of eight or less receive no penalty for complexity from this rule." Here we have four charges (tree, chief, sun, decrescent) and five tinctures (argent, vert, brown, azure, Or), for a total complexity count of nine. There is a pattern in late-period English armory of similar complexity, however all such patterns have three items on the chief, not two: a sun between two decrescents, or a decrescent between two suns, for example. With only two dissimilar charges in different tinctures on the chief, this does not come close enough to the period pattern to be registerable. Either adding a sun or a decrescent as mentioned here, or reducing the number of tinctures, would make this device less complex.

Sandhya Kesari. Name.

The byname Kesari was documented as a the name of a dynasty of kings in Orissa, a kingdom in southern India. It was not documented as a byname of anyone who was not a king. The use of this element violates SENA PN.4.B.2, which states:

Names may not contain a byname uniquely used by a single dynasty. Dynastic names used by both a royal family and normal people are acceptable. While some kingdom names were originally used primarily or exclusively by royalty, those names came to be used so widely that they are not considered a claim to rank.

The only other period use of this name was that of the name of a mythological being, the father of the monkey god, Hanuman. As no evidence was provided to show that Kesari has also been used for ordinary, non-royal people, this name must be returned.

Her device has been registered under the holding name Sandhya of Atenveldt.

Sitriuc Liathsionnach. Name and device. Per chevron Or and vert, two pommes each charged with a triskelion of armored legs Or and a winged sea-fox naiant argent.

Submitted as Sitriuc Liathsionnach, the element Liathsionnach was documented as a constructed descriptive byname meaning "gray-haired/aged fox". Although we have one example of color + animal name (in Eich Gil "[of] the White Horse"), we do not have evidence of a compound noun constructed from a color term like liath preceding the animal name. Without examples to justify such a construction, we cannot register this name.

The submitter allowed a change to Sitruic mac Sinaig Liath. However, we cannot make this change because we do not have evidence to support the pattern of a descriptive byname as part of a patronym. In addition, the patronym mac Sinaig Liath ("Sinaig [the] Gray-haired's son") combines the Middle Irish Sinaig and Early Modern Irish Liath in the same name phrase. This is not allowed under PN.1.B.1 of SENA, which requires that, "A registerable name phrase must follow the rules of grammar and structure for a single time and place. It may not mix languages unless that mixing of languages within a name phrase is attested as a period practice".

We would change the name to Sitriuc liath mac Sinach. ("Sitruic [the] gray-haired, Sinaig's son"), but this is a major change, which the submitter does not allow. Therefore, we are forced to return this name.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Commenters were unable to reliably identify the winged sea-fox here; the wings are drawn too small, and the head is not sufficiently fox-like.

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