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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

ATENVELDT REGISTRATIONS by the College of Arms, November 2003:

Alexander gagarr. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Cassandra Attewoode. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Good name!

Christophe de Lorraine. Name and device. Per pale azure and sable, two goats clymant Or.

Some commenters suggested that clymant was not a correct blazon and that these goats should be reblazoned as salient. This is an erroneous suggestion, as clymant may be used as a synonym for either salient or rampant goats. Parker's A Glossary of Terms used in Heraldry defines clymant as "salient, applied to the goat", and, under goat, he notes that "[clymant] may be used for either salient or rampant." It is thus acceptable to use the term clymant to refer to a goat which is either rampant or salient. It is important to note that there is no consistent period distinction between rampant and salient for beasts or monsters. Heraldic treatises and dictionaries define these terms as generally upright postures (with the body ranging from palewise to bendwise), but the treatises are not in agreement on other specifics of the definitions of these postures, such as whether the beast's legs are together or apart. In period treatises, one often finds salient depicted with a more bendwise (rather than palewise) body posture than rampant, perhaps to give the impression of leaping. Otherwise, there are no consistent trends. Most of the other trends for these postures follow the general trends in the drawing of the rampant posture. In early depictions of rampant animals, the body is usually palewise, while in later depictions, the body is usually bendwise - these postures evolved to best fit the shield, which widened from the kite shape (in the 12th C), through the heater shape, to the broad-based shape (in the 16th C). The SCA defines both rampant and salient as upright postures, where the beast's body ranges from palewise to bendwise. The SCA defines the salient posture with the hind legs together and the rampant posture with the hind legs apart. In the rampant posture the front legs are always apart, while in the salient posture the front legs may be either together or apart. Because of the period interchangeability of salient and rampant, the SCA will register a beast in a posture that is somewhat ambiguous as to whether it is rampant or salient, as long as the beast is clearly not in any other posture (such as courant) and the beast is adequately described by the chosen blazon term.

Dobrushcha de Neuf-Claire. Name and device. Purpure semy-de-lys, two swans naiant respectant Or.

This name combines Russian and French in a single name, which, under current precedent, is registerable with a weirdness. Therefore, we are giving the submitter the benefit of the doubt and registering this name. A call for comments regarding the future registerability of this lingual combination is found in the Cover Letter for this LoAR.

Elias of Coventry. Name and device. Per pale argent and gules, in pale three pairs of arrows fesswise fletchings to center and a chief indented counterchanged.

The blazon for this device follows that of Alexis von Bremen, Per pale wavy azure and argent, in pale three pairs of arrows fesswise heads to center counterchanged.

Gerardus Christopherus de Burgondia. Name (see RETURNS for device)

Submitted as Gerardus Christopherus du Bourgogne, the submitter requested that his name be made authentic for Norman French and allowed any changes. The locative element uses du 'of the' with a place name; it should be de 'of/from.' We have made this change. As the given name and patronymic are Latinized, we have also changed the locative element to the Latinized form in order to meet the request for authenticity. Latinized forms are typical documentary forms. A 14th century French form from Haute Picardie would be Gerard Christofle de Bourgoingne (all elements from Morlet Étude d'Anthroponymie Picarde); an early Anglo-Norman form would be Gerard Christofer Burgoin. Questions were raised in commentary as to whether there was evidence of unmarked patronymics in Latinized forms. While patronymics are more frequently found in the genitive form, making Gerardus Christopheri, Reaney and Wilson give many examples of unmarked Latinized patronymics in Anglo-Norman names (for example: Alfredus Folkeredus dated to 1204 s.n. Alfred).

Grigour MacEnelly. Name and device. Per bend sinister vert and sable, two dragonflies Or.

Submitted as Grigour MacNeilly, MacNeilly was based on the header Mac Neilly found in MacLysaght (p. 234). However, many of the Anglicized Irish forms listed by MacLysaght are modern. Woulfe (p. 313 s.n. Mac an Fhileadh) dates some Anglicized Irish forms of this name to temp. Elizabeth I-James I, specifically M'Anelly, M'Enelly, M'Enillowe, M'Enilly, and M'Inilly. All of these forms show a vowel before the n in this name. Lacking evidence that this name dropped the initial vowel in Anglicized Irish forms in period, the submitted MacNeilly is not plausible as a period form and, so, is not registerable. The closest period form to the submitted MacNeilly would be MacEnelly, based on the example M'Enelly found in Woulfe. Therefore, we have changed the byname to this form in order to register this name.

Heinrich vom Schwarzwald. Name and device. Per bend sinister counterermine and ermine, a decrescent argent and a brown owl contourny proper.

Jehanne la Torta de Calais. Name and device. Purpure, a bend sinister wavy argent between a quill of yarn and a quill pen bendwise sinister Or.

Please advise the submitter to draw the wavy more deeply. It is currently drawn with three very shallow waves: it should be drawn with three to seven deeper repeats along the bend sinister. The amplitude of this wavy is extremely shallow and would not be registerable for most complex lines of partition such as engrailed, embattled, or indented. However, it is important to note that the wavy line of division is often drawn more shallowly in period than any other complex line of division, so this line, while shallow, is registerable for wavy.

Lughaidh Cruitire. Device. Quarterly vert and sable, a glove Or charged with a mullet vert all within an orle Or.

Mons Tonitrus, Barony of. Order name Order of the Sable Arrows and badge. Argent, a sheaf of arrows between flaunches sable all within a bordure counterchanged.

The order names Order of the Sable Chevronels of Mons Tonitrus and Order of the Sable Harps of Mons Tonitrus were registered to this barony in January 1991. Therefore, the construction Order of the Sable [charge (plural)] is grandfathered to this branch. Please advise the barony to draw the flaunches with more pronounced curves. The barony has already registered armory using a bordure surmounting flaunches: Sable, a thunderbolt between flaunches argent all within a bordure counterchanged.

Muirgheal inghean Raghailligh mhic Seachnasaigh. Badge. (Fieldless) A badger statant sable.

This is clear of conflict with Nachum Avram ben Benjamin ben Meir, reblazoned in the West section of this LoAR as Azure, a brock passant argent incensed proper. There is one CD for changing the field and a second CD for the changing the tincture of the badger.


Néill ó Néill. Name and device. Per pale azure and sable, in pale two bulls passant argent.

Phineas Magollricke. Name and badge (see RETURNS for device). (Fieldless) A cross formy swallowtailed per pale gules and Or charged with a fleur-de-lys counterchanged.

Submitted as Phineas MacGoldrick, MacGoldrick was documented as an undated form from MacLysaght. However, many of the Anglicized Irish forms listed by MacLysaght are modern. Woulfe (s.n. Mag Ualghairg) lists Magowlricke, Magollricke and M'Gworlick as Anglicized Irish forms dated to temp. Elizabeth I-James I. As Magollricke is the closest dated form to the submitted MacGoldrick, we have changed the byname to that spelling in order to register this name.

Ryan Dollas. Name and device. Vert, a rapier bendwise sinister between two four-leafed shamrocks saltirewise slipped Or all within a bordure rayonny argent.

Ryan is his legal given name. As noted in the LoAR of October 2003, "Rayonny, because of its design, needs smaller and more frequent repeats than most complex lines of partition. Fifteen repetitions of a complex line down the center of the shield (palewise, bendwise, or the side of a pile) would be marginal or unacceptable for engrailed, embattled or wavy, but it is more acceptable for rayonny." As a result, this rayonny bordure (which has 10 repeats across the top of the shield and 14 down the sides of the shield) is registerable.

Sean of the South. Device. Quarterly Or and vert, two crosses bottony Or within a bordure counterchanged.

Sorcha inghean Dhara mhic Seachnasaigh. Badge. (Fieldless) A lozenge ployé within and conjoined to the horns of an increscent argent.

Svana ormstunga Vermundardottir. Name and device. Per fess indented argent and sable, three bees one and two sable and a duck Or.

By examination of period armory, ducks and geese are close by default - this is by far the most common posture for either of these birds. Ducks and geese do not share the same default posture as the larger and more aggressive swan, which is rousant by default.

Wendel Weller. Device reblazon. Or, a roofless well sable and on a chief rayonny gules three badger heads cabossed argent marked sable.

The previous blazon, Or, a roofless well sable on a chief rayonny gules three badger heads cabossed proper, tinctured the badger heads as proper. As noted in the Cover Letter to this LoAR, there is no clearly defined proper tincture for badgers.



ATENVELDT RETURNS by the College of Arms, November 2003:

Alexander gagarr. Device. Or, in pale a talbot rampant gules and a chevron inverted abased throughout purpure and in chief a pair of dice purpure marked Or.

The dice are each shown with one edge facing the viewer, which is not period style. "While dice were shown in perspective, the known period examples depicted them face forward, rather than edge forward. This minimizes the effect of perspective. Therefore, we must return this device for redrawing" (LoAR of April 2000).

In addition, the College had concerns about the way in which this design uses an abased chevron inverted as a co-primary charge. There were concerns that this might be too far from period style to be accepted. We are not ruling on this issue at this time, but we suggest that this issue be addressed on resubmission.

Cassandra Attewoode. Device. Argent, a rose azure barbed within a wreath of thorns vert.

Conflict with Alyanora of Vinca, Argent, a periwinkle [Vinca minor] proper. There is one CD for adding the wreath of thorns. Per the May 2000 LoAR, "Periwinkles are bluish purple and by current precedent (see the September 1996 LoAR, pg. 17 ...) they are not significantly different from either blue or purple roses."

Elena Glamorgan. Device. Per pale argent and vert, a natural panther sejant to sinister forepaw raised and a bear passant counterchanged and on a chief azure three cinquefoils argent.

The panther is not in a heraldic posture. It is partway between the heraldically distinct couchant and sejant postures. Because this posture cannot be blazoned, this must be returned under RfS VII.7.a.

Gerardus Christopherus de Burgondia. Device. Sable, two swords inverted in saltire surmounted by a bear's head cabossed between two fleurs-de-lys in fess and another in base, all argent and in chief a label dovetailed Or.

He has a letter of permission to conflict with Bryon l'Ours d'Argent de Bourgogne, Sable, two swords inverted in saltire surmounted by a bear's head cabossed between two fleurs-de-lys in fess and another in base, all argent.

This emblazon is drawn with a very small overall bear's head. As a result, there is a very high degree of overlap between the swords and the bear's head. Because the swords and the small overall bear's head are the same tincture, the high degree of overlap causes the small overall charge to be insufficiently identifiable per RfS VIII.3, which states in pertinent part, "Identifiable elements may be rendered unidentifiable by significant reduction in size, marginal contrast, ... or by being obscured by other elements of the design."

In general, it is acceptable to have a (round) bear's head cabossed surmounting (long thin) swords in saltire of the same tincture, as long as the bear's head is drawn large enough to maintain its identifiability. We note that in Bryon's device, the bear's head is drawn at least twice as wide in proportion to the swords as the bear's head found in this emblazon, so it does not suffer from this design problem.


Phineas Magollricke. Device. Quarterly gules and argent, two crosses formy swallowtailed gules each charged with a fleur-de-lys Or.

RfS XI.3.b states, "Such fields [used for marshalling, like quarterly] may only be used when no single portion of the field may appear to be an independent piece of armory... No section of the field may contain an ordinary that terminates at the edge of that section, or more than one charge unless those charges are part of a group over the whole field." Here the second and third quarters each use more than one charge that is not part of a group over the whole field. The second and third quarters thus appear to be displays of the independent armory Argent, a cross formy swallowtailed gules charged with a fleur-de-lys Or. A hypothetical example of armory which would not violate this rule by having the charge group over the whole field would be Quarterly gules and argent, four crosses formy swallowtailed each charged with a fleur-de-lys counterchanged.

Ragnarr Gunnarsson. Household name Halir yórs.

No evidence was presented, nor could any be found by the College, that a household name meaning 'Thor's men' or 'Thor's heroes' would be a reasonable name for a group of people in Old Norse. Also, no evidence was presented that Halir was a term that would be used to describe a group of people, nor that a group of people would be named after a god. Lacking documentation to address these two issues, this name does not meet the requirement in RfS III.2.b.iv that "Household names must follow the patterns of period names of organized groups of people."

In addition, many commenters expressed concern that this name might be presumptuous. In resubmission, the submitter should address whether this name is presumptuous.

Sorcha inghean Dhara mhic Seachnasaigh and Muirgheal inghean Raghailligh mhic Seachnasaigh. Joint badge. Per fess azure and vert, a fret and a bordure argent.

Conflict with Cellach inghean ui Dhubhthaigh, registered in January 2003, Per pale azure and vert, a fret and a bordure argent. There is one CD for changing the field.

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