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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, July 2008:


Abigail Fairechild of Maidstone. Name and device. Per fess potenty azure and argent vêtu counterchanged, an hourglass argent and a key palewise wards to base sable.


Áedán Mór Mac Donough. Device change. Gules, in pall inverted four triquetras, the center one inverted Or, on a bordure per pale sable and Or a double tressure counterchanged.

His previous device, Or, a bend sinister between two ermine spots sable and overall a griffin's head erased gules, is retained as a badge.


Ailill Lockhart. Device. Per pale gules and vert, a falcon argent and an orle Or.


Áine filia Michaelis. Name and device. Quarterly gules and sable, a thistle bendwise sinister argent.

The use of a Gaelic given name and a Latinized patronymic byname is not a step from period practice. Examples of this construction can be found in the Irish Annals, including the following: Dunflaith filia Flaithbertaigh m. Loingsich U799.11; Tuathlaithi filie Cathail, regine Laginorum [Note: name is in genitive case due to sentence structure] T754.2; Muirenn filia Cellaigh Cualann, regina Irgalaigh U748.6; Be Fáil filia Cathail, regina Donnchada U801.6; Condal filia Murcodha, abatissa tighe sruithe Cille Daro U797.4; Euginis filia Donnchada, regina regis Temorie U802.7. Other examples can be found in Mari Elspeth nic Brian, "Index of Names in Irish Annals".


Ameria of Atenveldt. Name and device. Azure, a unicorn couchant between three butterflies argent.

Nice armory.


Angelika von Schwaben. Device. Azure, a harpy displayed and on a chief embattled argent three nesselblätter vert.


Annya Sergeeva. Name.

The documentation for this name was inadequately summarized; no dates were provided for either element. Had the commenters not supplied the missing information, we would have been forced to return this name.


Aretaeus Spartiatês. Name and device. Per fess sable and gules, in pale a griffin segreant maintaining two swords and a tree eradicated argent.

Submitted as Aretaeus of Sparta, the submitter asked that the byname be put into Greek. The Greek byname meaning "of Sparta" is Spartiatês, so we have changed the name to Aretaeus Spartiatês. We note that Aretaeus is a Latinized form of the given name. If the submitter wants a wholly Greek name, we recommend Aretaios Spartiatês or Areteas Spartiatês.


Bran of Twin Moons. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Or, in pale a double-horned anvil and a sheaf of arrows sable, a chief embattled vert.

Please advise the submitter to draw the arrows larger.

Submitted under the name Bran Padraig of Antrim.


Brandr hani. Name.

This was pended on the November 2007 LoAR.


Brian the Pious. Badge. Per pale wavy Or and sable all annulety counterchanged.


Brian the Pious and Zhigmun' Broghammer. Joint badge. Vert, a cross crosslet saltirewise argent.

Nice badge.


Cecilie Blessard. Name.

This name combines English and Dutch; this is one step from period practice.


Ceridwen ferch Gruffudd. Device. Per chevron gules and azure, on a chevron rayonny on the upper edge Or three crescents azure.


Charles the Bear. Badge (see RETURNS for household name). Or, a chain fesswise throughout and fracted sable.


Christiane Dax. Device. Argent, a pall gules surmounted by a skull sable.


Constancia le Gode. Name.


Davin ap Einion. Name.

Submitted as Davin ap Gwaednerth ap Einion, the documentation supplied for Gwaednerth was Gruffudd, Enwau i'r Cymry/Welsh Personal Names, who notes a Welsh prince by this name from 600. However, Gruffudd uses standard modern forms for his entries. Lacking evidence either that Gwaednerth is an appropriate 7th century form of the name or that the name remained in use until the end of our period, when the modern form is plausible, it is not registerable. As the submitter allows all changes, we have dropped the problematic element to register the name as Davin_ap Einion. Davin is the submitter's legal middle name. As it is a given name by type, it is registerable as a given name.


Deletha of Anandyrdale. Device change. Per saltire Or and vert, in pale two arrows fesswise sable and in fess two cats sejant guardant argent.

Her previous device, Argent, on a bend wavy vert between two gouttes azure a cat sejant gardant palewise argent its front paws resting upon an arrow Or, is released.


Étaín ingen Áedáin. Device. Purpure, on a pall between a griffin segreant and two triskeles argent, a pall of chain sable.


Ewout Gheretssoen. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Nice early 15th century Dutch name!


Felipe Cuervo. Name and device. Per bend sinister gules and sable, a bee statant proper and a glaive bendwise sinister argent.


Finn Hans. Name and device. Argent, a penguin statant affronty head to sinister proper, a bordure per saltire sable and vert.

As documented, this name was two steps from period practice: one for combining Old Norse and German in the same name, and another for a temporal disparity of greater than 300 years between the two elements (pre c.1100 for the given name and 1495 for the byname). However, the Diplomatarium Norvegicum, vol. 7, no. 336, has the name Finn a Bylini in 1403. This removes the temporal disparity and allows the name to be registered. This name combines Norwegian and German; this is one step from period practice.

The use of a penguin is a step from period practice.


Gwyneth Hawke. Name and device. Lozengy Or and gules, a hind statant argent and on a base gules an escallop inverted argent.


Gwyneth Hawke. Badge. (Fieldless) An escallop inverted per pale gules and Or.

Nice badge.


Irena Rshtuni. Name change from holding name Irena of Tir Ysgithr.

Irena is the submitter's legal given name.


James of Windale. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Azure, a demi-bear couped and on a chief triangular argent a double-horned anvil sable.

Submitted under the name Seamus mac Raibert.


James the Black. Name and device. Sable, a sword argent between a pair of gauntlets Or.

Good name!


Jaqueline la Boursiere. Name.


Jason Thorne of Antioch. Badge. (Fieldless) A scorpion inverted argent.


Jason Thorne of Antioch. Badge. (Fieldless) A wolf's head erased contourny per fess gules and Or.


John Read. Device. Per bend sinister vert and argent, a bend sinister gules between a sheaf of arrows argent tied gules and a wooden weaver's shuttle palewise proper, threaded gules.


Josefa du Lac. Name and device. Purpure, a wyvern displayed between flaunches argent, each charged with an arrow inverted purpure.

Submitted as Josephine du Lac, the given name was documented from Withycombe, Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, s.n. Josephine and as the submitter's legal given name. However, Withycombe gives no pre-1600 examples of Josephine, and no proof of the legal name was provided. Past precedent indicates that Josephine is not a period name:

Josephine Ysabelle de Laval. Name. According to Withycombe "The Empress Josephine, who is responsible for the modern vogue of the name, was actually named Marie Josèphe Rose, Josephine being a pet-name." Barring documentation that Josephine is a period given name, it cannot not used. [LoAR 04/1998]

We have found one example of a period feminine form of Joseph. Julio de Atienza, Nobiliario Español, on p. 780 notes that María Josefa Pimentel was made Duchess of Toledo in the late 16th century. We have changed the name to Josefa du Lac in order to register it. This name combines Spanish and French; this is one step from period practice.


Katerina Kristoff. Name and device. Sable, a griffin between three crosses formy argent.

Nice device. Please advise the submitter to draw the charges larger.


Kateryn uxor Michaelis. Name and device. Or, on a hand vert between in chief two lions combatant azure a Celtic cross Or.


Konrad Rickert. Name and device. Per bend sable and gules, three crescents and three wolf's teeth issuant from dexter argent.

The depictions we have found of wolf's teeth in period heraldry invariably have the teeth conjoined at the base. We encourage this depiction of wolf's teeth, but will accept emblazons where the teeth are not quite conjoined as in this submission. The wolf's teeth must still reach, or nearly reach, the per pale line.


Konrad von Elz. Name and device. Argent, a griffin contourny within an orle of six crosses potent sable.

Submitted as Konrad von Eltz, the documentation was for the spelling Elz. We have changed the name to Konrad von Elz to match the documentation.

Nice armory.


Leo Valentini. Name.


Madeleine de Lorraine. Name.

Submitted as Madelon_ de Lorraine, the submitter requested authenticity for France. Madelon was documented as the submitter's legal given name. The standard medieval French form of the given name is Madeleine. Both Madeleine and de Lorraine appear in Cateline de la Mor, "Sixteenth Century Norman Names". We have changed the name to Madeleine de Lorraine to meet her request for authenticity.


Magdalena de Villanueva. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Magdelena de Villanueva, both the forms and the documentation showed the given name as Magdalena; we have made this correction.


Marie de Valence. Name.


Martin de Gras. Name.


Matsumoto Nagetane. Name.

The documentation was inadequately summarized on the LoI; no indication was given what type of element Matsumoto was, and no dates were provided for either element. Had the commenters not supplied the missing information, we would have been forced to return it.

This name follows the pattern family name + nanori. While this pattern is atypical in Japanese, it is registerable: There was some question whether this name followed construction patterns found in Japanese names. We believe it does reflect a documentary form, the form [surname] + [nanori] (a nanori is a formal name reserved to the aristography [sic], according to Solveig Throndardottir, Name Construction in Medieval Japan). This is the form of the name that would appear on official documents. However, the form [surname] + [yobina] + [nanori] is considerably more likely, especially for the 16th C (the yobina is a less formal "use" name). If the submitter is interested in a 16th C name, we suggest something like Yamahara Tarou Yorimasa; according to the author of the work cited above, Tarou is the most stereotypical of masculine yobina. [LoAR 03/2006, Yamahara Yorimasa, Æthelmearc-A]


Micahel Corey. Name (see PENDS for device).


Morgan MacDuff. Name (see RETURNS for badge).

The name was documented as combining a Welsh given name with a Scots byname; such combinations are a step from period practice. However, the name can be documented as wholly Scots; Margaret MacDuibhshithe notes that Black, The Surnames of Scotland, s.n. Forest dates Morgan de Forest to Aberdeen in 1402.


Rachel of Atenveldt. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Argent, a hedgehog rampant contourny sable, on a chief vert two caltraps argent.

Submitted under the name Rachel Ter Khorenatsi.


Robert Heinrich. Name.


Rosaline Fagane the Mad. Name.

Submitted as Rosaline Fagen_ the Mad, no documentation was provided for the byname Fagen, and none found by the commenters. We have changed the name to Rosaline Fagane the Mad in order to register it; Fagane is an anglicized Irish byname dated to temp. Elizabeth I - James I in Woulfe, Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish Names and Surnames, s.n. Fágán.


Rose the Jeweler. Name and device. Ermine, three trees eradicated within a bordure vert.

The submitter requested authenticity for early period Ireland. As no part of this name is early period or Irish, we cannot make this name authentic without wholly changing it.


Sabrina of Granite Mountain. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Or, on a bend sinister between a winged cat sejant and a sexfoil pierced purpure, three pawprints argent.

The use of pawprints is a step from period practice.

Submitted under the name Ni'ma al-'Aliyya.


Samuel Milde. Name and device. Azure, an owl perched upon and sustaining a ball-peen hammer fesswise Or.

Submitted as Samuel Mildt, the LoI lacked a summary of the documentation for the byname, which was cited as "Bahlow, p. 367". Inspection of the relevant entry showed Mildt as an undated subheader spelling, under the header Milde. Undated header spellings in Bahlow are only registerable if it is demonstrated that the form is consistent with period spellings. No such evidence was provided, so we have changed the byname to Milde, which is dated to 1306 in Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Woerterbuch der deutschen Familiennamen, s.n. Mild(e).


Serafina de la Mar. Name and device. Argent, a tree blasted and eradicated and on a chief azure three mullets of six points Or.

Submitted as Serafina de la Mar del Norte, no documentation was provided for the byname and none was found by the commenters. The simple byname de la Mar appears in Juliana de Luna, "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century". We have dropped the final phrase in order to register the name. This name combines Italian and Spanish; this is one step from period practice.

Please advise the submitter to draw the tree more tree-like and less stick-like.


Shasta of Windale. Name change from holding name Joan of Ered Sul.


Siani Euraid. Device. Quarterly per fess rayonny gules and Or, two serpents nowed Or and two fleurs-de-lys sable.


Sibylla Timida de Cantabria. Device change. Or, a griffin contourny and on a chief sable, a cat couchant guardant Or.

Her previous device, Or, a griffin segreant to sinister and on a chief sable two coneys couchant respectant Or, is retained as a badge.


Steinn h{o,}ldr. Name and device. Purpure, in pale two picks in saltire and a heart voided, a bordure embattled argent.

Submitted as Sten h{o,}ldr, this name had two steps from period practice, one for combining Old Norse and Swedish and another for a temporal disparity of greater than 300 years between the 16th C date for the given name and the pre c. 12th C date for the byname. As the submitter allows all changes, we have substituted the Old Norse form of the given name, Steinn, which appears 14 times in the Landnámabók.


Thomas de Revele. Name.

Submitted as Thomas d'Revel_, the byname was incorrectly formed because in French de only elides before vowels. Additionally, no copies of the documentation for Revel as a period French place name were provided. We have changed the name to Thomas de Revele, using a form of the byname which occurs in Géraud's edition of the 1292 census of Paris, in order to register the name.


Thome Spyle Syngere. Name (see RETURNS for device).

The LoI did not provide any documentation for the byname Syngere, only for le Syngere. However, the submitted spelling, without the definite article, is reasonable given the form Synger, which is dated to 1583 in Bardsley, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames, s.n. Singer.


Þóra in kristna. Name.

Submitted as Þóra inn kristni, inn kristni is the masculine form of the byname. We have changed the name to Þóra in_ kristna, using the feminine form of the byname, as Old Norse descriptive bynames which are based on adjectives must agree in gender with the given name.


Ulrich the Strong. Name and device. Or, a griffin segreant gules maintaining a triskele, an orle sable.

This name combines English and German; this is one step from period practice.


Wilhelm Singer. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Per saltire azure and argent, in fess two bears combatant sable.

While it has been the practice of recent Pelican Sovereigns to almost exclusively the form <given name> + <branch name> when forming a holding name, this is not the only choice. Precedent from the tenure of Bruce points out that: when forming a holding name, we either use elements from the submitted name (which we can therefore assume are acceptable to the client) or else the mundane name and SCA branch, following a procedure carefully defined beforehand. (Jay MacPhunn, July, 1993, pg. 17) We have chosen the former option in this case. Submitted under the name Bjorn Wilhelm Singer.


The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, July 2008:

Bjorn Wilhelm Singer. Name.

This is returned for administrative reasons because no summary of the documentation for Bjorn was provided on the LoI, and no photocopies were provided to Laurel. The given name Bjorn was documented from Siebicke, Historisches Deutsches Vornamenbuch; this source is not listed on Appendix H, so copies of the relevant pages are required. Because this is an administrative return, we are explicitly not addressing the registerability or authenticity of the name at this time. His device was registered under the holding name Wilhelm Singer.


Bran Padraig of Antrim. Name.

This name has a number of problems. First, neither double given names nor unmarked patronyms are attested in Irish Gaelic during our period. Barring evidence of their use, they are not registerable.

Second, the documentation for the byname of Antrim was not properly summarized. This issue alone is grounds for return. Additionally, no photocopies of the documentation were provided, though the source cited is not an Appendix H source. This issue by itself is also grounds for return.

We would correct both problems by dropping the locative byname and turning the second given name into a marked patronym, e.g., Bran mac Padraig_, but the submitter does not allow major changes.

His device was registered under the holding name Bran of Twin Moons.


Charles the Bear. Household name Hafnar leysini.

The household name is returned because it lacks a designator. RfS III.2.b says that "household names must consist of a designator that identifies the type of entity and at least one descriptive element". Neither leysini "freedman" nor hafn "haven/harbor"properly identifies the type of entity. (Additionally, the submitted leysini appears to be a typo for the documented leysingi.)

This is also returned for lack of documentation. No documentation was submitted and none found by the commenters that "Freedman Haven/Harbor" follows patterns of names for organized groups of people in Old Norse speaking cultures during our period. It is necessary to document a household naming pattern to a culture that uses the language in which the name is submitted. Please see the January 2007 cover letter for a further discussion of this issue.

Listed on the LoI as Harnar leysini, the forms gave the name as Hafnar leysini. Independent of the documentation and construction issues, Hafnar leysingi is incorrectly constructed for the desired meaning as Hafnar is in the genitive case. The Old Norse word for 'haven' is hafn in the nominative case.


Dubhghlais Brocc. Name.

The name has a number of problems. First, the given name Dubhghlais was documented from Woulfe, Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish Names and Surnames, in the section on masculine given names. These names are all modern forms; while some of these forms may be consistent with period forms, citations from this section of the book are not, by themselves, sufficient documentation for registering an Irish masculine name. The commenters were unable to find any other documentation for Dubhghlais as a period Irish masculine name; lacking such evidence, it is not registerable.

Additionally, both elements were documented as given names. As noted earlier in this letter in the return of Bran Padraig of Antrim, neither double given names nor unmarked patronyms are attested in Irish Gaelic, and barring evidence for their usage they are not registerable.

The LoI noted that if the submitted name was not registerable, the submitter would accept the form Douglas Brock, even though he does not otherwise allow major changes. However, we cannot consider alternate name submissions unless full documentation is provided for them on the LoI, and no documentation was provided for this name.


Ewout Gheretssoen. Device. Quarterly barry wavy azure and argent, and gules, a comet bendwise sinister inverted argent.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Chavah bat Mordechai, Per fess purpure and vert, a shooting star bendwise sinister argent. There is a CD for the field. However, shooting star is an SCA-defined term meaning comet inverted, thus the CD for changes to the field is the only difference.

Please advise the submitter that there is some question on whether or not an argent comet can be used on this field due to the lack of contrast between the comet and the first and fourth quarters of the field. We decline to rule on that issue at this time.


Fíne ó Catháin. Name.

There are two problems with this name. First, in Gaelic names, the given name and the byname must agree in gender. The given name Fíne is feminine but the clan byname ó Catháin (more properly Ó Catháin) is masculine. Second, the name has two steps from period practice. The given name is Old Irish and the byname is Early Modern Irish, and this combination of languages is one step from period practice. The given name is dated to 800 and 805, but the byname is dated to the late 16th/early 17th C, and this temporal disparity is a second step from period practice. Ó Corrain and Maguire, Irish Names, s.n. Cathán indicate that this is also the Old and Middle Irish form of the name and they note a saint Cathán of the Dál nAraide of Antrim. We would change the name to the wholly feminine and wholly Old Irish Fíne ingen huí Chatháin, but the submitter doesn't allow major changes. Both changing the language of an element and the gender of an element are major changes.


Leo Schleif. Name.

The byname was documented as an undated header spelling in Bahlow, Dictionary of German Names. Undated header spellings in Bahlow, as with other sources, are only registerable if it is demonstrated that they are consistent with period forms of the byname. The only dated citations in this entry are Schersleifer Iglau 1369 and Slifsteyn Liegnitz 1368. A somewhat more similar byname, Schleyffer, can be found in Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497". We would change the name to one of these forms, but this would be a major change which the submitter does not allow.


Morgan MacDuff. Badge. Sable, in fess a skull enflamed between a pair of hands inverted couped argent.

This badge is returned for conflict with the badge for Kira Linn of Mountain Island, (Fieldless) A heart between and sustained by two hands inverted argent. There is a CD for adding the field but nothing for changing one of three co-primary charges. Nor is there a CD for conjoined hands vs. non-conjoined hands. If this same design is resubmitted, it should be drawn (and colored) such that the hands are clearly conjoined to the skull or are clearly separated from the skull.

This is clear of the badge for Ordo Famuli (Barony of Stromgard), (Fieldless) A pair of hands appaumy wrists outwards maintaining between them a roundel argent.. There is a CD for adding the field. There is another for the number of charges: the roundel in the barony's badge is clearly a maintained charge.

This is not "slot-machine heraldry", which is defined as the use of more than two types of charges in the same charge group. The flame is not a separate charge; it is more similar to a crown or a hat. As ruled in the registration of the device for Fabio Ventura (January 2008), the addition or removal of a hat is worth no difference, though in some cases it may be considered half the charge and thus may contribute to a tincture difference. As the flame and skull do not represent two distinct but conjoined charges, there are only two types of charges in the primary charge group: the hands and the enflamed skull.


Ni'ma al-'Aliyya. Name.

This is returned for lack of documentation of Ni'ma as a feminine name in our period. The LoI cited Salahuddin Ahmed, Dictionary of Muslim Names, for Ni'ma. This book is essentially a baby-name book; it contains almost no dates and many names which were invented after our period. It is not acceptable as the sole source of documentation for a name element.

The name Ni'ma is properly transliterated Ni`ma. In Arabic, ` and ' represent different letters, and the two symbols cannot be used interchangably. Ni`ma was used in our period as a masculine name; Loyall found an eleventh-century Sicilian `Al{i-} b. Ni`ma Ibn al-Haww{a-}s '`Al{i-} son of Ni`ma son of al-Haww{a-}s'. However, Ni`ma would not be registerable with the byname al-'Aliyya, because al-'Aliyya is feminine and Arabic bynames must agree in gender with the given name. As the submitter desires a feminine name and does not allow major changes (such as changing the gender of an element), we are returning this. The submitter may be interested in the similarly pronounced feminine name Najma, which appears in Juliana de Luna, "Arabic Names from al-Andalus".

Additionally, the documentation shows the byname as al-`Aliyya, not al-'Aliyya. If the submitter wishes to use this byname in a future resubmission, it should be spelled al-`Aliyya.

Her device was registered under the holding name Sabrina of Granite Mountain.


Rachel Ter Khorenatsi. Name.

This is returned for lack of documentation. The only documentation submitted for the construction Ter X in Armenian is a discussion of modern Armenian naming practices; no evidence was provided that this construction was used in period, which is required for registration.

Additionally, the given name was submitted via the legal name clause, but no proof of her legal name (either a copy of an ID document or a statement from a herald who witnessed such document) was provided. If the submitter wishes to resubmit Rachel, documentation needs to be provided that Rachel is part of her legal name or that it was used before 1600 in a culture compatible with the chosen surname.

Her device was registered under the holding name Rachel of Atenveldt.


Robert de Curry. Name.

Conflict with Robert de Kari. Though Kari and Curry are significantly different in spelling, they are too close in sound: "by long-standing precedent, the change of a single vowel is not a sufficient difference between two names" [Darchester, Shire of, 04/2003 LoAR, R-Caid].


Seamus mac Raibert. Name.

This is returned for administrative reasons: No summary of the documentation was provided on the LoI, and no name submission can be considered without a proper summary. Because this is an administrative return, we are explicitly not addressing the registerability or authenticity of the name at this time.

His device was registered under the holding name James of Windale.


Thomas Cyriak Bonaventure. Device. Gules, a chevron between a mullet of eight points and a cannon mounted in a ship's carriage, a bordure Or.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Frae Fitzalleyne, Gules, issuant from a chevron, a demi-dragon rampant, in base a cinquefoil, all within a bordure, all Or. There is a single CD for changing the type of secondary charges. Even though Frae's dragon is issuant from the chevron, it is still a secondary charge. No difference is granted for the fact that it is conjoined to the chevron while Thomas's mullet is not. Nor is there a CD for changing the number of secondary charges. The cannon in its carriage is considered a single charge, thus both devices have only two secondary charges.


Thome Spyle Syngere. Device. Per pale sable and argent, a skeleton statant facing to sinister maintaining a recorder and a skeleton statant to dexter maintaining a lute, all counterchanged.

This device must be returned as it appears to be impaled arms. As ruled in the December 2007 Cover Letter, "if a divided field contains the same type of charge in each portion, and those charges maintain the same [type] of charge, then the maintained charges do not contribute to the appearance of marshalling." The ruling goes on to give a counter-example of Quarterly sable and argent, in bend a lion Or maintaining a sword argent and a lion Or maintaining a halberd argent, where the different types of maintained charges do yield the appearance of marshalling. Similarly, in the submitted device, although the primary charges on either side of the per pale line are the same type (skeletons), their maintained charges differ. Thus, the maintained charges do contribute to the appearance of marshalling and are cause for return of the device.


Umm Ma'bad Amirah al-Zahra bint al-Azhar 'Abd al-Aziz ibn Malik al-Mansur. Name.

There are two problems with this name. First, in Arabic names, laqabs (descriptive bynames) do not precede the isms (given names). Since al-Azhar is being used as a laqab, it needs to follow the ism 'Abd al-Aziz. Second, the byname al-Mansur is a regnal name, used only by kings. Its registration is not allowed because it is an implicit claim to rank and so violates RfS VI.1 Presumptuous Names: Names Claiming Rank. The ism Mansur is found in Da'ud ibn Auda, "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices"; its use is not presumptuous as its use was not restricted to kings. We would change the name to Umm Ma'bad Amirah al-Zahra bint_'Abd al-Aziz al-Azhar ibn Malik ibn_Mansur in order to correct these issues, but the submitter does not allow major changes.


The following has been pended by the College of Arms until its March 2009 meetings:

Micahel Corey. Device. Per saltire azure and gules, in pale a pheon inverted within and conjoined to an annulet, and an anchor fouled with its line Or.

Blazoned on the LoI as Per chevron azure and gules, in pale a pheon inverted within and conjoined to an annulet, and an anchor fouled with its line Or, the field is actually per saltire. Only one commenter noted this issue, so we are pending this for further research. Commenters are asked to specifically address the issue below.

The issue was raised by the LoI and by commenters whether or not this violates section VIII.1.a of the Rules for Submission (Tincture and Charge Limit) by having three charges in the same charge group. We routinely treat armory such as the hypothetical Argent, a pheon within an annulet sable as a primary charge (pheon) and a secondary charge (annulet). The precedent

[Returning Per chevron gules and sable, in chief two dragonflies and in base a lily of the valley Or within an annulet argent.] Technically this violates RfS XIII.1.a by having three different types of charge in what is considered to be a standard type of arrangement. [4/94, p.17]

treats the hypothetical Argent, a fess between three pheons each within an annulet sable as armory with a primary charge (fess) and six secondary charges (pheons, annulets) with the secondary charges being in the same charge group.

In this submission, the question is whether the annulet is in the same charge group as the pheon and the anchor. If it is, then this will have to be returned as "slot-machine heraldry" for having three or more charges in the same group. However, that interpretation differs from how we would treat the pheon/annulet combination if they were the only charges on the field.

We ask commenters to consider the following questions:

  • Should we continute to treat a widget within an annulet as a primary charge and a secondary charge when they are the only charges upon the field?

  • When present as secondary charges, should a widget within an annulet be considered two secondary charges in the same charge group or two groups of secondary charges?

  • When present as part of a primary charge group, should a widget within an annulet be considered as co-primary charges with the other charges in that group?

  • Does the answer to the prior question depend on the charges? Specifically, would Argent, two pheons each within an annulet be treated the same way as Argent, in pale a widget and a pheon within an annulet?

  • Do these answers apply only to annulets, or do they apply to other surrounding charges, such as laurel wreaths?


Tatiana Verlioni. Name change from Marguerite Bouchard.

The given name Tatiana was documented as the name of a 3rd C martyred saint. In order for a given name to be registered under the saint's name allowance, evidence must be provided that the saint was known in a culture which is compatible with the byname. The byname Verlioni was documented as Italian, but the only culture that was found where the saint was known in the Middle Ages was Russian. Paul Wickenden, Dictionary of Russian Names 3rd ed., s.n. Tat'iana dates Tatiana to 1500. However, if the given name is documented as Russian, this means that the name combines Italian and Russian. This combination of languages has not yet been ruled on, so we are pending this name to allow the College to research whether there was the significant contact between Russian- and Italian-speakers required for registerability.


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