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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

The following submissions have been registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its January 2010 meetings:

Alexandros Korinthios. Name.

The submitter requested authenticity for Greece. This is an excellent early-period Greek name.

The question was raised whether this name conflicted with either Alexander the Great (who ruled over a confederacy that included Corinth) or any of the kings of the city-state of Corinth named Alexander. This name, which means 'Alexander the Corinthian', does not conflict with any of the rulers of Corinth named Alexander per the following precedents: Regardless of whether or not any of the kings of Poland named Wladyslaw were known as Wladyslaw z Poznania, they would not conflict with a submitted name of Wladyslaw Poznañski because Poznañski is a descriptive byname referring to a person's ethnicity, not a locative byname. This issue, upheld as recently as November 2001 (Eiríkr inn danski, Atlantia-A), has been addressed in these rulings: [<name> Lietuvos, meaning <name> the Lithuanian>] While prior Laurel precedent has returned the form '{Name} the {Nationality}', we do not find this presumptuous of the ruler of the country in the same way or to the same degree that, say, '{Name} of {Nation}' would. Hence, we do not find that this name conflicts with <name>, King of Lithuania. (LoAR 12/91 p.12). <Given Name> the Breton should no more conflict with <same Given Name>, Duke of Brittany, than Richard the Englishman would with Richard, King of England. [Note that this overturns a precedent of Master Baldwin's regarding Wladislaw Poleski] (LoAR 10/90 p.2). [Wladyslaw Poznañski, 03/2002, A-Æthelmearc]

Similarly, Korinthios is a descriptive byname referring to a person's ethnicity, not a locative byname. A name meaning 'Alexander the Corinthian' no more conflicts with the Alexanders who ruled Corinth than Richard the Englishman conflicts with Richard, King of England.

Brian Ambrose O Driscoll. Device. Lozengy vert and erminois, a Pierrot mask between three Bowen knots argent.

While Pierrot masks have been registered in the past, commenters raised the issue that Pierrot masks are not period, as the character was not developed until after period, and should not be registerable. The Pierrot character in commedia dell'arte appears to have developed either as the French variant of the Italian Pedrolino, or to have been based off Molière's character in Don Juan, or the Stone Guest, published in 1665, but both variants agree that it was attributed to an actor named Guiseppe Giratoni and happened after 1665. Therefore, unless documented to period, Pierrot masks will be no longer be registerable after the June 2010 decision meeting.

Donicia del Lunar. Name and device. Per chevron purpure mullety Or and vert, a chevron and in base a unicorn's head couped Or.

Donicia is the submitter's legal middle name. Middle names are treated by type; if they are given names in origin they can be registered as a given name, and if they are surnames in origin they can be registered as a surname. Donicia is a given name in origin (Colm Dubh, "Repetory [sic] of Catalan Names", dates the variant Donizia to before the 11th C), so it can be registered as a given name via the legal name allowance.

This device is clear of the device of Sabina Melisenda vom Katzenschloss, Per chevron purpure and vert, a chevron between two mullets and a garb Or. Under current precedent, we consider semy charges to be a separate secondary charge group: [Per fess sable mullety Or and azure, a dance and in base a sun Or] The device does not conflict with ... Per fess gules mullety Or, and vert, a dance and in base a terrestrial sphere Or. There is one CD for the change to the field. There is another CD for the change in type of the charge group in base, which is a different charge group from the semy group in chief. By current precedent, the semy charges must be in a separate group from all other charges (LoAR 7/01, Giraude Benet). [Wolfgang Dracke, 11/01, A-Artemisia] There is, therefore, a CD for the change of number of charges in the secondary charge group, from three to one, a CD for the change of type of charges in the secondary charge group, from mullets and garb to unicorn, and a CD for the addition of the semy of mullets.

Ered Sûl, Barony of. Order name Order of the Mount and Flame.

Gideon the Weary. Name (see RETURNS for device).

The spelling weary was documented to 1684 on the LoI, well outside the grey area. However, it is a period spelling of the word, dated to 1590 in Spenser's Faerie Queene.

Jean Le Loup. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Jean le Loup, the name appeared on the forms as Jean Le Loup. No mention of this discrepancy was made on the LoI. The originally submitted form of the name is not incorrect. Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438" lists the bynames Le Leu and Leleu; these are earlier forms of Le Loup. Since the originally submitted form of the name is registerable, we have restored the name to that form.

Mariella Jehannette de Lisieux. Name and device. Per chevron azure and argent, two needles inverted in saltire argent and a cross flory sable.

This name combines Italian and French, which is a step from period practice. The submitter noted that she wanted an authentic 13th C French name, but cared more about retaining the name Mariella. Since we have not found Mariella in French, this name is not authentic, but it is registerable. Additionally, the name combines either two given names or a given name and an unmarked matronymic byname with a locative byname. In the 13th C, a single given name and a single byname was the norm.

Olaf mj{o,}ksiglandi. Device. Purpure, a ram's skull cabossed and in chief a drakkar sailing to sinister Or.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the ram's skull larger, to better fill the available space.

Sorcha Broussard. Name (see RETURNS for device).

This name combines Gaelic and French, which is a step from period practice.

Susanna Broughton. Name.

Tamsyn Stanford. Device. Erminois, two domestic cats salient respectant sable and on a chief gules three mullets Or.

Tatiana the Midwife. Name change from Tatiana Gordeevna Kazimirova.

This name combines Russian and English, which is a step from period practice.

Her previous name, Tatiana Gordeevna Kazimirova, is retained as an alternate name.

Theodric ap Breken Beaken. Reblazon of badge for Juan Carlos del Oso. Gules, on a cross formy throughout between four mullets argent a brown bear's head couped proper.

Blazoned when registered as Gules, on a cross concave between four mullets argent a brown bear's head couped at the shoulders proper [Ursus arctos], a cross concave is not a known period charge. Given the splay of the arms, it is evidently a cross formy throughout with the corners smoothed away. Since we are reblazoning the cross, we have also reblazoned the rest of the badge according to current practice.

The following submissions have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, January 2010:

Chavezs MacTavish. Name.

This name is being returned for administrative reasons; it was sent to Laurel on a form that was not approved by Laurel.

The version of the form used in this submission was a problematic one that was replaced by Atenveldt working with Laurel staff. The change to a new, Laurel-approved form was made effective by Atenveldt as of July 1, 2008. Copies of Atenveldt's current forms may be found at the Kingdom of Atenveldt Heraldic Submissions Page (

This submission was submitted on August 8, 2009 - over a year after the previous forms were replaced by Atenveldt. The August 2006 Cover Letter stated: "As of the May 2007 Letter of Intent, each Kingdom's name and armory submissions must appear on the new forms, or be subject to administrative return." As this was not on a Laurel approved form, and it was submitted over a year after new, Laurel-approved forms were rolled out by Atenveldt, we must return this name submission without consideration of the name's registerability.

Gideon the Weary. Device. Per pale argent and sable, a dragon and a griffin segreant addorsed, tails entwined, counterchanged.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Balin the Grisley, Per pale argent and sable, two dragons rising addorsed counterchanged, breathing flames and their tails grasped by, in base, a gauntlet counterchanged gules and Or. The gauntlet is a maintained charge; therefore, there is a single CD for changing a dragon to a griffin.

This device is also returned for violating section XI.3 (Marshalling) of the Rules for Submissions, which says "Divisions commonly used for marshalling, such as quarterly or per pale, may only be used in contexts that ensure marshalling is not suggested." Section XI.3.a says that "such fields may be used with identical charges over the entire field, or with complex lines of partition or charges overall that were not used for marshalling in period heraldry." This submission uses non-identical charges on the field and has no complex line of partition or charge overall

Some commenters argued that the entwined tails removed the appearance of marshalling. However, due to the tinctures involved, several people thought that the tails were not entwined, but merely 'bouncing off' each other as they touched the line of division, and remaining within the same half of the field as the monster each is attached to, thus contributing to the appearance of marshalling.

Sorcha Broussard. Device. Argent, a skate sable and on a chief azure two escallops argent.

This would be the defining instance of a skate in Society armory. No documentation was submitted, and none could be found, for a skate which has the shape drawn here. Therefore, this submission is returned for violating section VII.7 of the Rules for Submissions, being neither identifiable, blazonable, or reconstructable from blazon.

This is a resubmission of a device having a manta ray. In the return, we declared a manta ray registerable, with a step from period practice. If the submitter wants a manta ray, the submitter should draw a creature which is unmistakably a manta ray. If the submitter wishes a skate, the submitter should draw the skate to match either the shape of the natural creature or the depiction found in the Macclesfield Psalter.

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