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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, July 2011:

`{A-}'isha al-Zakiyya bint Yaz{i-}d al-May{u-}rq{i-}. Name.

Alister Stewart. Name and device. Quarterly sable and azure, on a cross argent three triskeles in fess sable.

Submitted as Alistair Stewart, no documentation was presented that this spelling (as opposed to the name itself) was used in period. The spelling Alister is dated to 1531 in the Records of the Parliaments of Scotland to 1707. We have changed the name to that dated spelling in order to register it. We note that we were unable to find any examples with -stair that are not modernized.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the triskeles larger to better fill the available space.

Anastasia filia Maguch. Device. Argent, on a bend sable between two bouquets of lilac blossoms purpure slipped and leaved vert banded purpure a peacock feather Or.

These are bouquets not sheaves; under current precedent, a sheaf is considered shorthand for an arrangement of two charges in saltire and another in pale, whereas the depiction of these lilac blossoms complete with a bow gives the clear visual impression of a single charge, a bouquet. For reproducibility's sake, we wish to note that there are three blossoms in each bouquet in this submission, but visually each bouquet is a single unit; thus there are only two secondary charges, not six.

Arthur O'Flaherty. Badge. Or, on a sun gules a dragon contourny argent, a bordure gules.

Bran mac Padraig of Antrim. Name change from holding name Bran of Twin Moons.

Submitted as Bran_Padraig of Antrim, this name has the same problem as the identical submission returned in July 2008. We have no evidence for the use of two given names in Gaelic. Therefore, this cannot be registered as is. The submitter has made it clear that he does not want to drop the element Padraig. That gives two possibilities. First, we can make the second byname into a patronymic byname, giving Bran mac Padraig of Antrim. Second, we can make the name the partially Anglicized Bran Patrick of Antrim. As the first retains the spelling of the submitted elements, we have changed the name to that form in order to register it.

Antrim is found as an English spelling in the grey period. It can alternately be seen as a lingua Anglica form of a Gaelic locative byname.

Caryn Isolde Clothilde von Katzenberg. Reblazon of device. Per chevron azure and vert, a chevron argent between a sun Or and a domestic cat dormant argent.

Blazoned when registered in June 1975 as Per chevron azure and vert, a chevronel argent between in chief a sun in glory and a domestic cat dormant argent, the position and tincture of the secondary charges is being clarified. Under current blazon standards, the sun in the original blazon would be argent and have a face.

Colm Kile of Lochalsh. Badge (see RETURNS for alternate name). Per bend sinister sable and azure, an Aeolus bendwise sinister contourny argent and overall two scarpes Or.

Helena de Argentoune. Alternate name Helen Welez and badge. (Fieldless) A wagon wheel per bend sable and gules enflamed Or.

Johann der Becker von Aschersleben. Name.

The placename Aschersleben is found on the 1570 Ortelius map.

Commenters questioned whether we had evidence of an occupational byname with an article followed by a marked locative byname. Ælfwynn Leoflæde dohtor was able to provide examples: Hainricus dictus der Becke zu Hayingen 1271 (Brechenmacher s.n. Beck) and Heinrich der weber von Altkilch 1298 (Socin p 311 s.h. de Altkilch).

A combination meaning "the baker of Aschersleben" is not presumptuous, as there is no reason to expect a single official baker of a city.

John Ailewrde. Device. Per pale vert and gules, in pale three wolves dormant contourny argent.

Kedivor Tal ap Cadugon. Alternate name Oygudei Chagan Bar.

Raffaelle de Mallorca. Alternate name Robert Loud of Great Snoring.

Laurel precedent says that you cannot use the submission fees from a returned primary name to register another item (such as a badge). However, the basis of this ruling is that the provision of a holding name is itself a registration, and allowing the resubmission to be used to register a second item (as opposed to a replacement for the holding name) is unfair. In this case, the submitter is requesting that the fees used for a returned badge be used for this submission. As the submitter received no registration for the money, this case is not comparable, and the monies can be used for a submission of another type.

Submitted as Robert Loud of Greater Snoring, commenters could find no evidence that Greater Snoring was used as a placename before the 19th century. However, commenters could construct the location Great Snoring. The change from Greater to Great is a minor change, which the submitter allows. Therefore, we have made that change in order to register the name.

Stephan MacGrath. Name change from holding name Stephan of Atenveldt.

Tanne Atzler. Name.

Nice 15th century German name!

Tomyris Benenati. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Tomyris was ruled registerable as a literary name in Italian contexts in March 2011.

Wolffgang von Luxemburg. Name.

Submitted as Wolffgang Von Luxemburg, no evidence could be found for capitalizing the preposition. Therefore, we have made it lowercase in order to register the name.

The following submissions were returned for further work by the College of Arms, July 2011:

Caoilinn inghean Fhaelchon. Name change from Duncan of Kilernan.

This name has several issues. First, the spelling Caoilinn has not been proven to be period. It is the modern form of the name of a saint who lived in the 6th or 7th century. The forms for Old or Middle Gaelic contexts are Caelfind or Caelainn (these forms and the others given here omit accents, as names in Gaelic may be registered with or without them). In the grey period Martyrology of Donegal, the name appears as Caoil Fiond, Caellainn and Caoilfionn.

Faelchon is the genitive (possessive) form of the name of a 7th century saint. In the grey period Martyrology of Donegal, the name appears as Faolchu (whose genitive should be Faolchon).

The name has several temporal incompatibility issues. First, the byname combines the Early Modern Gaelic inghean with the Old Gaelic Faelchon (which must be lenited to Fh- because of the requirements of Gaelic grammar). The Rules for Submissions require each name element to be linguistically and temporally consistent. Thus, this could be registered as the Early Modern inghean Fhaolchon or the Old Gaelic ingen Fhaelchon, but not as the linguistically mixed inghean Fhaelchon. We would change the byname, but changing the language in this way is a major change, which the submitter does not allow.

This name would be registerable as a completely Early Modern Gaelic Caellainn inghean Fhaolchan or a completely Old Gaelic Caelainn ingen Fhaelchon (as well as the other dated spellings of the given name. However, either of these is a major change, which is more than the submitter allows. Therefore, the name must be returned.

Colm Kile of Lochalsh. Alternate name Colm before the storm.

While we appreciate the submitter's desire to find a registerable joke name, we remind him that names, joke or otherwise, must be documented. If he'd like to see some well documented ones, he can check out the many April 1 letters in OSCAR.

In this case, the byname before the storm has several issues. The documentation is based on a pattern of locative bynames based on generic toponymics, like Overwater or Byfield. The submitter presented no evidence, nor could any be found, that before was used in this sort of locative byname. He presented no evidence that storm is the sort of element found in this sort of byname. Barring this evidence, it cannot be registered.

The submitter may want to consider the documented byname Gabyfore or Gobiforn 'go before' (the first from Jonsjo, the second from Reaney and Wilson) and the documented byname Storm. But we suspect that Colm Gobiforn Storm would not create the effect he intends. Therefore, we are returning this to allow the submitter to consider what he would prefer to do.

Tomyris Benenati. Device. Azure vetu ployé, a lucy naiant embowed counterembowed argent.

While you can blazon your way out of a style problem, you cannot blazon your way out of a conflict. Under current precedent, vetu fields must also be checked as a lozenge throughout. This device therefore has a conflict with Kareina Talvi Tytar, Azure vetu, a longhaired domestic cat dormant argent. Considered as a charged lozenge instead of a field division, there is only one CD for change in type of tertiary charge.

Likewise, this is also a conflict with the device of Josephus Piscator, Argent, on a lozenge azure a compass star throughout Or. There is only one CD for the multiple changes to the tertiary charge.

Please note that many commenters confused this fish with a heraldic dolphin. Lucies and other similar fish are typically shown straight, not embowed counterembowed as in this depiction. It should be remembered that lack of identifiability is itself grounds for return.

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