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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)

ATENVELDT REGISTRATIONS by the College of Arms, April 2003:

Alamanda de Claret. Name.

Cadogan map Cado. Device. Sable, on a plate a wolf statant gules and on a chief argent four flames gules.

He has permission to conflict from Cartismandua Natione Veniconum, Sable, on a plate a hedgehog statant gules, on a chief argent three hedgehogs statant gules.

Caterina Amiranda della Quercia. Badge. (Fieldless) In pale a demi-dragon contourny sable issuant from a tankard reversed argent.

Conall mac Rónáin. Device. Per pall vert argent and sable, a stag's head cabossed counterchanged sable and argent and in chief a torque argent.

Garrett Fitzpatrick. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Gráinne inghean uí Shéamuis. Name.

Katherine Rhys. Name and device. Azure, on a bend between two quadrants argent three crosses couped azure.

Lí Ban ingen uí Dhuinnín. Device. Purpure, in pale a sheaf of arrows inverted and a unicorn argent all within a bordure argent semy of trefoils vert.

Robert de Zwijger van Limburg. Device. Argent, a bend sinister cotised vert between a compass rose and a grenade sable enflamed proper.

Tiernan Dugrais. Name change from holding name Alan of Atenveldt.

Listed on the LoI as Tighearnán Dugrais, the LoI noted that the submitter's first choice for a given name was Tiernan. Being unable to find documentation for Tiernan in period, they noted recent registrations of Tiernan as a given name and asked that if anyone had access to the documentation for these submissions, the submitter would appreciate it. By coincidence, the registerability of Tiernan was addressed recently (so recently, in fact, that the LoAR with that discussion was not available during the commentary period for this submission): There was some question regarding the registerability of Tiernan. Tiernan is an Anglicized Irish form of the Gaelic masculine given name Tighearnán. The question is whether or not Tiernan is a period Anglicized form of this name. The given name Tighearnán was in use in late period as can be seen in the "Annals of the Four Masters", vol. 6, (, entry M1590.3, which mentions Tighearnan Bán mac Briain mic Eoghain Uí Ruairc. Because this name was used in late period, it is logical that there was an Anglicized form of this name existed. Since no Anglicized forms of this given name have yet been found in period Anglicized records (probably due mainly to the scarcity of such records), we have only period Anglicized forms of bynames formed from Tighearnán to examine. Woulfe (p. 410 s.n. Mac Tighearnáin) dates M'Tiernane and M'Ternane to temp. Elizabeth I-James I. Woulfe (p. 652 s.n. Ó Tighearnáin) also dates O Ternane and O Tiernan to the same time period. Given these examples, Tiernan is reasonable as a period Anglicized form of Tighearnán. [Tiernan Moor, LoAR 02/2003, A-An Tir]

We have changed the given name in this submission to Tiernan, which was the submitter's first choice as a given name, since it is a plausible as an Anglicized Irish name in period, and so is registerable.

Ulbrecht vom Walde. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Ulbrecht vom Wald, the submitter requested authenticity for 7th C German. As this request was not included in the LoI, the College did not have the opportunity to provide commentary regarding authentic forms of this name for that language and time period. No documentation was included on the LoI for the byname vom Wald except the statement "'of the forest' (this is a contraction of von dem Wald, and the one concern is that the contraction might be a post-period practice)". Multiple members of the College found documentation for this byname. For example, Sommelier commented: Bahlow/Gentry 2nd (sn Wald(e), p.532) has Hans vorm Walde dated to 1471 and Wernher zu dem Walde dated to 1361. In the same source (sn Ulbrich(t), p. 518), Ulbrecht (Albrecht) Gryfstete is dated 1379-86 and Ulbrecht Geißeler is dated 1482.

The information found by the College consistently shows Walde as the form of this word used in bynames. We have made this change in order to register this name. The commentary provided by the College supports Ulbrecht vom Walde as a late 14th C or 15th C German name. Lacking information about how this name might appear in 7th C German, we do not know if it is authentic for that time and culture.

ATENVELDT RETURNS by the College of Arms, April 2003:

Garrett Fitzpatrick. Device. Vert, a chevron between three cats statant argent.

Conflict with Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn, Vert, a chevron between three falcons argent, Caitlyn Emrys, Vert, a chevron between three peacocks pavonated to base argent, and Harrys Rob of Wamphray, Vert, a chevron between three winged spurs argent. In each case there is only one CD for changing the type of secondary charges. We have reblazoned the cats from herissony to statant, as their backs are not arched enough to be blazoned herissony.

Jacquelin of Normandy. Badge for House of Stone's Rest. Purpure, a sword inverted proper and in chief a quill pen fesswise Or.

Conflict with Neal Gyrfalcon, Purpure, perched atop the pommel of a sword inverted proper a gyrfalcon contourny argent. There is one CD for adding the quill pen in chief and no difference for removing the small, insignificant (effectively "maintained") gyrfalcon.

Please advise the submitter that, for the sword to keep its current blazoned primary charge status, it should be drawn somewhat larger in comparison to the quill pen. Alternately, the quill pen and sword could be drawn the same size and could be considered co-primary charges. Note that redrawing will not clear the current conflict call - that analysis is the same whether the quill pen is considered a primary or a secondary charge. However, on resubmission, the quill pen should be clearly drawn as either a subsidiary secondary charge or as a co-primary charge. The difference is likely to be important in further potential conflict comparisons.

Sean of the South. Device. Quarterly Or and vert, two crosses bottony Or.

Conflict with Robert Fagan of Blackstoke, Quarterly per fess indented sable and Or, two crosses crosslet fitchy Or. The text in the previous return (where Sean's submission was Quarterly vert and Or, two crosses bottony Or) still applies, "There is one CD for changing the field. 'There is not a CD between a cross crosslet fitchy and a cross bottony' (LoAR December 1999)." (LoAR August 2002).

There is no difference for changing the arrangement of the crosses. RfS X.4.g states: "Changing the relative positions of charges in any group placed directly on the field or overall is one clear difference, provided that change is not caused by other changes to the design." Because the Or crosses may not overlie the Or portion of the field, they are forced to be in the two vert quarters. Thus, the change in the relative positions of the crosses is "caused by other changes to the design" - namely, the changes to the field - and is not worth difference.

Ulbrecht vom Walde. Device. Purpure, on a lozenge Or a tree eradicated vert.

Conflict with Caterina Nadalini, Purpure, on a lozenge ployé Or a bunch of grapes proper. There is a CD for changes to the tertiary charge group by

X.4.j, but no difference between a lozenge ployé and a lozenge.

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