Kingdom of Atenveldt
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Atenveldt Submissions (excerpted from the S.C.A. College of Arms' Letters of Acceptance and Return)
The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, March 2007: Atenveldt, Barony of. Order name Order of the Dogs Jambe and badge (see RETURNS for other order name and badges). (Fieldless) An annulet checky azure and argent fimbriated gules pendant therefrom five hawks' bells Or. Submitted as Order of the Dogs Gamb, the earliest date for the spelling gamb in the Oxford English Dictionary is 1727. However, the "Middle English Dictionary" (ets.umdl.umich.edu/m/med), s.v. jaumbe, has the spelling chambys in 1500 meaning "leg". In addition, the "Dictionary of the Scots Language" (www.dsl.ac.uk), s.v. Jambe, has jambe meaning "leg" in the latter half of the 15th C. Given this, we would expect jambe to be found in 16th C English. We have changed the name to Order of the Dogs Jambe in order to register it. This registration is for a heraldic badge, not regalia. A checky collar with bells is not a badge; the proper way to display this is as an annulet with bells as part of an obvious heraldic display, such as on a medallion. Aziza al-Labu'a bint Ibrahim ibn Rashid al-Rahhala. Badge. (Fieldless) A lion couchant argent charged on the shoulder with a decrescent sable. Frederick Tinamou the Untamed. Reblazon of badge. Gules, a bald eagle's head and shoulders issuant from base argent sustaining in its beak a sword inverted bendwise sable. Registered in January 1985 with the blazon Gules, a bald eagle's head and shoulders issuant from base argent holding in its beak a sword inverted bendwise sable, the sword is large enough to be considered a co-primary charge. The sword is not really in a blazonable position as a large portion of it overlies the eagle; this is the best blazon we could derive. Frederick Tinamou the Untamed. Reblazon of badge. Azure, a bald eagle's head and shoulders issuant from base argent sustaining in its beak a sword inverted bendwise sable. Registered in January 1985 with the blazon Azure, a bald eagle's head and shoulders issuant from base argent holding in its beak a sword inverted bendwise sable, the sword is large enough to be considered a co-primary charge. The sword is not really in a blazonable position as a large portion of it overlies the eagle; this is the best blazon we could derive. Helena de Argentoune. Badge. (Fieldless) A simurgh volant bendwise Or. Nezhka Radokovaia. Name and device. Per pale sable and gules, two rams combatant between three mullets Or. Nice 12th C Russian feminine name! Nikolás Sigurðarson. Name (see RETURNS for device). Submitted as Nikolás Sieghard, the submitter requested an authentic 10th C Old Norse name. As submitted, the name mixes a 9th C Old Norse given name with a 12th C German byname. Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "Viking Names found in the Landnámabók" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/landnamabok.html) has Sigurðr, which is the expected Old Norse form of Sieghard. We have changed the name to Nikolás Sigurðarson, a fully Old Norse form, to fulfill the submitter's authenticity request. We note that the originally submitted form is registerable, but one step from period practice. Raoghnailt Marie Beatrix de la Barbe. Reblazon of device. Per pale argent and azure, an ounce's face sable incensed proper within a bordure crusilly fleury counterchanged. Registered in October 1992 with the blazon Per pale argent and azure, a panther's face sable incensed proper within a bordure crusilly fleury counterchanged, the cat lacks the spots of an heraldic panther. Please see the November 2006 Cover Letter for a discussion on the difference between English, Continental, and natural panthers. Shanda MacNeil. Badge. Or semy of annulets sable. The LoI stated: 'Consider Evan Little: Or, hurty., if the submission were alternately blazoned as Or semy of bezants fimbriated sable. Although an annulet has an independent heraldic existence it is still a roundel voided; still both are distinct period charges, and between the type and tinctures, we hope that this is clear.' This is not a conflict - there is at least a CD between a roundel and an annulet and another CD for the tincture of the charges. Just as Or, a bend Or fimbriated sable appears to be two bendlets, not a fimbriated bend, Or semy of bezants fimbriated sable appears to be annulets, not fimbriated bezants. Given the fact that, as the LoI noted, an annulet is a distinct heraldic charge we see no reason to treat the charge as anything other than an annulet. Sha'ul of Joppa. Name (see RETURNS for badge). Submitted as Sha'ul of Yoppa, no documentation was submitted and none found suggesting that Yoppa is a period form for the place known as Jaffa in period. The form of the placename closest to the submitted form is found in the King James Bible, Jonah 1:3 as Joppa. We have changed the name to Sha'ul of Joppa in order to register it. Tomas mac Aedain. Name and badge. Argent, four crosses formy two and two and a bordure gules. Submitted as Thomas Mac Aedain, the submitter requested an authentic 9th C Scottish name. At that time, the language appropriate for someone surnamed mac Aedain would be Middle Gaelic; we would also expect the language spoken and written in Scotland and Ireland to be fairly interchangeable in the 9th C. The Annals of Ulster, whose orthography is largely Middle Irish, the form appropriate for the 9th C, lists the name Tomas in an entry for 808. In addition, we would expect the first letter of the patronymic marker to be in lowercase. We have changed the name to Tomas mac Aedain to fulfill the submitter's request for authenticity. Please advise the submitter to draw the crosses larger.
The following submissions were returned for further work, March 2007:
Atenveldt, Barony of. Order name Order of the Roots of the Barony of Atenveldt and badge. Gules, two palm trees eradicated, trunks crossed in saltire, argent rooted Or. This name does not follow documented patterns of period order names. The submission was documented as following the pattern "basing a name on Things". However, this pattern is very specifically names based on heraldic charges. While a tree eradicated has its root system showing, there are no examples of just a generic "root" in period heraldry, nor is there a unique period depiction thereof that can be used to justify the charge as following period patterns of heraldic charges. Without meeting one of these two criteria, such a heraldic charge cannot be registered. If a charge cannot be registered, its name cannot be used to justify an order name using the pattern heraldic charge. This badge is returned for lack of identifiability. The roots are detached from the palm trees, making them impossible to identify as roots. The palm trees do not resemble palm trees - the "leaves" are drawn incorrectly. While the barony has other armory with crossed palms, those trees do not resemble the trees in this submission; thus the style of the palm trees is not grandfathered to the barony. Atenveldt, Barony of. Badge. Argent, two palm trees couped, trunks crossed in saltire, proper and in chief palm frond fesswise reversed vert. This badge is returned for lack of identifiability. The palm trees do not resemble palm trees - the "leaves" are drawn incorrectly. While the barony has other armory with crossed palms, those trees do not resemble the trees in this submission; thus the style of the palm trees is not grandfathered to the barony. We note that the palm frond is clearly from a palm tree, but that it could not have come from one of these trees depicted in this emblazon. Dascha Alexandrovna Rostova. Name change from Dasiya Alexandrovna Rostova. No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that Dasha or Dascha was a feminine given name in period. The name Dasha is documented in 1633 as a masculine name in Wickenden, A Dictionary of Period Russian Names s.n. Dasha, but there is no evidence that it was used in period as a feminine name. The name Dascha is documented only as a modern feminine diminutive of Daria. The submitter argues that Dascha is an alternative transliteration of Dasha, but this is not the case. The letter transliterated as sh in Dasha is shah, while the letter transliterated as sch in Dascha is schyah. The two Cyrillic letters are almost identical in appearance but are distinct letters with distinct pronunciations and transliterations. Barring documentation that the name Dascha is found in period, it is not registerable. Barring documentation for Dasha as a feminine given name in period, it is not registerable in a name that is otherwise feminine in grammar. We would change the name to a masculine form, Dasha Alexandrov Rostov, in order to register it, but the submitter will not accept changes. Nikolás Sigurðarson. Device. Azure, a pale raguly argent between a gauntlet aversant and a smith's hammer Or. This device is returned for conflict with the device of Marusha Ivoninskoi, Azure, a pale raguly argent between a pair of wings Or. There is a single CD for changing the secondary charges. Sha'ul of Joppa. Badge. Per fess embowed counterembowed sable and argent, in fess two stars of David azure and argent. This badge is returned for style problems. As Batonvert noted: "This is essentially a 'yin-yang' symbol with Stars of David replacing the roundels. And the yin-yang symbol isn't really heraldic, nor blazonable in standard heraldic terms (if it were, we wouldn't have to call it a 'yin-yang symbol' in blazons). In fess puts the Stars of David along the horizontal axis, which only a non-period counter-embowed line makes possible." The design depends on very careful drawing of the line of division, making it unlikely that the emblazon will be recreated from the blazon. This is itself sufficient grounds for return. |
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