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Unto Their Royal Majesties Cosmo Craven and Mary; the Honourable Lord Seamus McDaid, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is the August 2006 internal Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation for names and armory: Please have comments or questions to me concerning this Letter by 15 September 2006.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Submission Fees Increase: The cost of new submissions made in the Kingdom of Atenveldt will rise, to $10.00/item, as of 1 January 2007; inform your populace members who may have been sitting on the fence of this news (I’m sure we don’t want to be inundated with a flurry of submissions in December!). Local heralds’ offices will receive an additional $1.00/item for new submissions.

Consultation Table at Kingdom Arts and Sciences: A surprising number of folks took advantage of the Consultation Table. They were ready to submit, too, not just consult (maybe the word on the fees increase is getting out there!). Many thanks to the Autocrats for finding us spacious accommodations, furnishings and power.

And just because it’s morbidly interesting: Heralds’ Point at Pennsic accepted 561 submissions this year (this does not include the 40 submissions that were “prepared” for clients who never showed up again to do the actual submissions (they do things differently at Pennsic), nor the consultations with folks who were not yet ready to begin the registration process). See? Estrella’s pretty mellow by comparison – think about volunteering for a shift or two (or three!) at next year’s Estrella. (Then again, Estrella commonly sees 100 submissions from Atenveldt – one kingdom – alone. Hmmm...)

Please consider the following submissions for the September 2006 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Áedán Mac Néill (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 2002

Azure, on a saltire between in pale two crescents argent and in fess two mullets Or, two arrows inverted in saltire proper flighted vert.

The name was registered June 2002.

The original submission, Azure, on a saltire argent between four pairs of a decrescent argent and a mullet in fess Or, two arrows inverted in saltire proper flighted vert., was returned for being overly complex: “It uses six tinctures (azure, argent, Or, vert, sable (for the arrowhead) and brown/wood (for the shaft of the arrow) and four types of charge (saltire, arrows, decrescents, mullets). This exceeds the rule of thumb set forth in RfS VIII.1.a. The College had some questions about whether the sets of decrescents and mullets surrounding the saltire would have been found as a secondary group design in period armory. If the submitter has documentation for such a practice, it would be helpful to present it on resubmission. We decline to rule at this point on the acceptability of such a design.” While the number of charges and tinctures remains the same, the client has addressed the issue of the “sets” around the saltire. I’d like commentary on this, please; the “rule of eight” is a rule of thumb, not hard and fast, so does this redesign veer too far from it?

Alewyn Jouette (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron vert and azure, two bunches of sage inverted and a dragon passant argent.

Alewyn is cited as coming from Bahlow’s Dictionary of German Names (translated and revised by Edda Gentry, 2nd edition, p. 9). Jouette is found as a French family name in Dauzat’s Dictionaire etymologique des noms de famille et prenoms de France, p. 316 s.n. Jouet. A name with German and French elements is one step from period practice. The client will not accept major changes to the name.

Cynara del Mar Azul (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron argent and purpure, two roses gules slipped and leaved vert and a lyre Or.

Çinara is a Basque feminine given name dated to 1366 in “Basque Feminine Names,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael

( ). Given the example of the name Yenega as a feminized form of Inigo in the same citation and interchanges of names like Ynes/Ines and Ysabel/Isabel in “Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century,” Juliana de Luna

( ), we hope the variation in spelling is acceptable. (I suspect that the odd little hook on the Ç should probably be included, and I’m sure Aryanhwy knows the name of it!). The byname is a literal Spanish translation for “of the blue sea.” Juliana’s paper demonstrates the locative surname de la Mar ( ). “More than mere locative” surnames also seen in that source as de Castro de Oro; de Castro de Oro de Espanoche; de Castylblanco; and de Torreblanca, which fortunately perhaps for us describe the locative in terms of color or color-associations (gold/golden and white). The client is most interested in the meaning of the name and the culture (Basque); to make it as authentic for Basque is desirable. She will not accept major changes to the name.

Daibhídh mac Dubhghaill (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly argent and azure, a tower and in chief two roundels, all counterchanged.

The name is Scots Gaelic, “David son of Dougal.” Documentation is provided by the Academy of S. Gabriel, demonstrating Daibhídh as one of the standard form of David in Irish Gaelic, in the “Index of Names in Irish Annals,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan

( ). Dubhghall is a masculine Scottish given name; it is lenited to the form seen above when used as a patronymic. This name is one possible for a 14th C. Scottish Gaelic man. This information is contained in Report 3123; it was prepared by an Aryanhwy merch Catmael (she’s everywhere! she’s everywhere!).

I’d like to see the tower “longer” and take up more of the field; it would also stand out as being the sole primary charge.

Falcone Di Piacentus (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale gules and vert, an eagle displayed wings inverted argent within an orle of fleurs-de-lys Or.

The name is Italian. Falcone is a masculine given name found in “Masculine Names from Thirteenth Century Pisa,” Juliana de Luna

( ). Di Piacentus is formed based on an individual found in “A Summary of the Early History of Casata Canterna” ( ). Among the members of the Canterna family is Piacentus Canterna, c. late 1500s, who was a theologian at the Papal Court and left some religious and dogmatic works. (Considering that I think the name might translate to “Pius V”, who lived 1504-1572, this might’ve been a coined name in honor of that Pope.) The byname is a patronymic construction, using Piacentus as the father’s name. The client is most interested in the language/culture of the name and wishes it authentic for Italian; he will not accept major changes to the name.

I love this design (I can very easily imagine this as a Palio banner in Siena).

Thomas DeGuy Bassard (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A vulture close sable perched on a covered tankard azure charged with a compass star of sixteen points argent.

The name was registered July 1981.

The badge is a cant upon his name and uses elements found upon his registered device, Sable, a compass star of sixteen points argent, on a chief azure fimbriated, three covered tankards argent.

Zsofia Zekel (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

The name is Hungarian. Zsófia is the Hungarian form of the feminine given name Sophia, dated to the 16th C. in “Hungarian Feminine Names,” Walraven van Nijmegen ( ). Zekel is a byname that refers to Szelker/eastern Transylvania, meaning either the place (area of origin) or the ethnicity of the individual; it is dated to c. 1308 under the header Székely in “Ethnic Bynames in Hungarian before 1600,” Kolosvari Arpadne Julia ( ). The client is most interested in the sound of the name, and she wishes a female name.

The following appear in the August 2006 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

This month’s commentary is provided by Ari Ansson [AA], Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Helena de Agentoune [HdA], Knute Hvitabjörn [KH], Taran the Wayward [TW] and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].

Aoife inghean Eoin gabha (Atenveldt Highlands): NEW NAME

The name is Irish Gaelic. Ó Corráin and Maguire show the Irish Gaelic form of Eve/Eva as Aífe (p. 181), but this form has been repeatedly registered by the College of Arms, most recently in September 2002. Eoin is a borrowing of the Biblical name John (Ó Corráin and Maguire, p. 88); this appears to be the genitive as well as the nominative form, according to “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Eoin,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( ), and she notes that the name ranges from 1246 to 1600. gabha means “ smith” (Easy Reference Irish-English English-Irish Dictionary, Robert Rineheart Publishers, Niwot Co, 1998, ISBN 1-57098-184-1, p. 127), so that the name is intended to mean, “Eva the daughter of John the smith.” Th client is most interested in the language/culture of the name and wishes it to be authentic for Irish. She will not accept major changes to the name.

Claire de Brétigny (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per chevron inverted azure and gules, three otters statant one and two argent.

Four examples of <Claire> can be found in my "Late Period French Feminine Names" ( ),

in 1515, 1550, 1559, 1564, and 1574, as well as one example of <de Brétigny>, in 1457. I found no conflicts. [AmC] Yay, all the name documentation in a single source! [MMM]

Consider Ranald de Balinhard: Azure, in pale three ferrets courant argent. No CD for type (weasels), number (three), or posture (courant vs. statant). However, there’s a CD for the field and another for arrangement (unforced move from “in pale” to “two and one”). 2 CDs! I think this one squeaks by! (ha ha!) [HdA] <the sound of Marta slapping Helena....>

Elizabeth the Herbalist (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a dragon couchant wings close gules and in chief three oak leaves fesswise vert.

The wing posture is midway between close and addorsed. Return for violating RfS VII [KH] Knut also notes that the leaves are fesswise reversed. While Knut’s comments on the wing posture have me looking at this twice, I don’t think that this the position is so detached from close that I want to return it for a redraw (yes, this is passing the buck...). [MMM]

Gaius Valerius Corvinus (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME, DEVICE and BADGE

(device) Purpure, in pale a double-headed eagle and a lightning bolt fesswise Or.

(badge) Per bend Or and sable, a double-headed eagle purpure and a lightning bolt bendwise Or.

The name is Classical Roman. The praenomen Gaius and the nomen Valerius are found in “Names and Naming Practices of Regal and Republican Rome - Prænomen and Nomen,” Meradudd Cethin ( ). The cognomen Corvinus, “crow-like,” along with the praenomen and nomen, is found in “Choosing a Roman Name,” Nova Roma organization

( ). The client is most interested in the language/culture of the name, desires a masculine name, and wishes it authentic as a Classical Romans name 100 BC-100 AD. While close to several Roman consuls’ names and the main character in David Wishart’s Roman mystery series (Marcus Valerius Corvinus), this seems clear.

Geoffrey Winterbotham (Mons Tonitrus): NEW DEVICE: Vert, on a chevron argent between two sheaves of arrows inverted and a fox sejant Or, three fusas sable.

Consider Ignatius of Man: Vert, on a chevron argent between three pine trees on mounts Or three English sparrows [Passer domesticus] close proper. No CD for the field. No CD for type of primary charge. 1 CD for change of type of secondaries. No CD for change of tincture of secondaries. Examining tertiaries: no CD for number, CD for change of type, if there is a CD for tincture (sable vs. proper), then this sqeaks by with a CD for cumulative changes to tertiaries. If there is no CD for “Proper” vs. “Sable,” then there is a conflict here. [HdA] The CoA has ruled that there is a CD between proper and sable, so there is 1 CD cumulative changes to the tertiaries. [MMM]

Runs close to being overly complicated, (4 tinctures + chevron +arrows + fox + fusas = 8) but it should be fine. [AA]

Gudrun Oddsdottir (Mons Tonitrus): NAME AND DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, June 2003: Gules, three turnips Or slipped vert.

Gudrun is a fine spelling, it's just not Norse, nor anglicized Norse. The Diplomatarium Norvegicum

( ) has (among others), Gudrun Ormsdatter 1456 vol. 1, no. 840 and Gudrun Anundar dotter 1390 vol. 1, no. 527; there is also Odd Amunda sun 1303, vol. 1, no. 95, Odd Alffson 1495 vol. 2, no. 981, and frw magnilda odds dotther 1454 vol. 21, no. 474. As for examples of dottir, we've got: Astriid Sigualda dottir 1306 vol. 12, no. 42; gwnnor thorfins dottir 1450 vol. 21, no. 465; Botillir Thorgeirs dottir 1457 vol. 7, no. 453. Based on this, Gudrun Oddsdottir is a fine later period (14th/15th C) Norwegian name. I found no conflicts. The turnips look more like hearts with frou-frou than turnips. [AmC]

I agree with Ary. The turnips don’t look like turnips. Turnips have a very distinctive long root which these do not. Because they are Or, the turnips are also missing the distinctive bi-coloration which makes turnips easily distinguished from other root vegetables. This makes the drawing even more important in order to keep the turnip from looking like, say, an onion or a radish. [HdA] A slight redrawing will be done, adding the root at the base to keep this more in keeping with the turnips that have been registered in the SCA and with period armorial depictions of them. [MMM]

Consider Michael o Glofau: Gules, a clove Or. There is a single CD for number.[KH] Parker’s A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry mentions that an heraldic clove isn’t usually depicted in its “natural” form, and has an illustration that makes it look more like an ampule or vial with a frilly top (he calls a resemblance to an arm of a cross Avelane. Even if Michael’s is more whole-clove-out-of-the-spice-jar (which I suspect it is), I think the charges are significantly different in appearance not to be confused for one another. [MMM]

Awesome design, and period. I know there was a turnip used on the Zurich Roll ( ).

Couldn't find any conflict. [AA] Check out the Zurich Roll for some great, simple armory! [MMM]

Gwynfrewi Curzon (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, a natural sea-turtle sable and a chief azure.

Helena de Argentoune (Twin Moons): NEW BADGES: Per bend sable and gules.; and Per chief argent and purpure.

The name was registered October 1985.

Consider Giovanna Luigia di Milano: Per bend purpure and gules.; single CD for tincture. [KH] The client has been consulted and she wishes to add a bordure Or, which clears the conflict. And the blazon on the second badge should be Per chevron argent and purpure. [MMM]

Imma Kaillewey (Burning Sands): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, February 2006: Per pale indented gules and purpure, a needle bendwise sinister and a bordure argent.

The bordure should be wider. [KH]

Iohn Hambledon (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

Marcus Marius Leontius Brittanicus (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2006: Gules, a thunderbolt and a chief embattled Or.

The orginal name, Marcus Leonidas Brittanicus, lacked a nomen (we were unable to find Leonidas as anything but a Greek name) and had to be returned for the client to choose one in order to make this a classical Roman name. He has chosen Marius as the nomen, and the Roman/Latin Leontius as the cognomen.

Marcus is one of the very few praenomina found in the Roman Republic and Empire, ; Marius is found as a nomen in the same source. Leontius is a cognomen found at Wikipedia,; it is also the scribal name of the Byzantine emperor Leo, who ruled from 695 to 698 ( ). Britannicus serves as an agnomen, a nickname given directly to an individual, rather than one inherited as was often the case with a cognomen

( ).

Merlin Orion Whiteowl (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, mullety, an owl contourny perched upon a branch argent.

(Name) This is *definitely* an improvement over his previous ideas! [AmC]

Do you think RfS XI.2 might be an issue? [KH] This is the Presumptuous Charge and Name Combination rule. I don’t think so. The white owl is a cant of the byname. All right, when told that constellations were post-period charges, he accepted arranging the nine major stars of Orion as a reasonable semy treatment :). The only strong association I have with the wizard Merlin and an owl is from The Once and Future King by T.H.White (and the Disney version, The Sword in the Stone); Merlin’s owl there is Archimedes, but in period Arthurian legend, I don’t know that Merlin has any strong affiliation with an owl, and the wizard+owl combination might be a post-period/modern association. [MMM]

(Alternate blazon:) Azure mullety, an owl contourny maintaining a branch argent. Consider Ingvar the Restless: Azure, an owl affronty between six mullets of eight points in annulo argent. (There are two) CDs type and number of secondaries. [KH]

All this hinges on bird differencing. Yikes! In this case, the owl is not described as being “guardant contourny.” Is this assumed? If the owl is, in fact, looking sinister instead of out at the viewer, then it looks pretty much as any other bird-in-profile except for the long-legged ones. [HdA] An owl by default is close guardant, so this blazon demonstrates that other than being turned to sinister, it’s pretty much doing the default owl thing. [MMM] Consider Rannveigr Haakonardottir: Azure, a falcon close contourny argent. There’s 1 CD for the field. There’s no CD for tincture. The branch is really “maintained” so it’s not going to add a CD. Is there a CD for type between the falcon and the owl? If not, there’s a CONFLICT here. (There’s a CD for the semy of mullets. Clear. [MMM] ) Rannveigr Haakonardottir: Per chevron argent and azure, in base a falcon counter-close argent. 1 CD for the field. There might be a CD for arrangement, but maybe not (no CD, as Rannveigr’s is a forced move. [MMM]). There’s no CD for the “maintained” branch. No CD for tincture. Given that both birds are in profile, is there a CD between falcon and owl in this case? [HdA] From Francois’ Precendents: “... there is another CD for changing the type of bird from an owl close to a falcon close. [Falco de Jablonec, 06/02, A-Drachenwald]”, so it seems there is a CD between hawks and owls, although they are both raptors. [MMM]

Michael von Guttin (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend sinister argent and azure, a bend sinister gules between three wolves’ teeth issuant from dexter azure and three wolves’ teeth inverted issuant from sinister argent.

(Name) The byname is registerable to him via the grandfather clause provided that evidence that Christine is his real-life mother is provided. [AmC]

(Alternate blazon:) Per bend sinister argent and azure, a bend sinister gules between three wolves' teeth and three wolves' teeth inverted counterchanged. [KH]

The device is interesting, and I don't see any reason why you shouldn't be able to have inverted wolves teeth, really. The design is a bit overly

modern for my tastes with the mirror-image symmetry, but it works. [AA]

Wolk of Three Mountains’ device was originally submitted as inverted wolf's teeth--it was changed to Vert, in sinister issuant from sinister four piles fesswise counter-embowed and a chief indented argent. (October 1981). Here is what I found on the original submission: Vert, beneath a chief indented argent, four wolf's teeth inverted from the sinister argent. ( ). The September 1971 LoAR also notes: “ Wolf's teeth are like little curved piles. When issuant from the sides of a shield they conventionally point downward. Here, they curve upward.” [TW] I’m reluctant not to send this on, even if the wolves’ teeth in base are inverted (possibly because the original blazon and the reblazon were done so long ago (1979 and 198, respectively). If it cannot be done, at least we will receive the official word from the CoA. [MMM]

Michael the Taverner (Atenveldt Highlands): NEW NAME

Richeard se Breowere (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

Whoo, he's finally submitting! I have nothing to add to what I said in consultation with him. [AmC]

Róisi MacCracken (Tir Ysgithr) and Medb McLeod (Mons Tonitrus): NEW JOINT BADGE: Per saltire sable and Or, in pale two mugs argent and in fess two monkey sejant respectant gardant azure.

Sebastian de Rolstoun (Sundragon): NEW NAME CHANGE from Jacques Beauchamp

*snork* I *don't* want to know! <Sebastian> can be found in English as well - my "Index of Names in the 1582 Subsidy Roll of London" ( has one instance of the name. Is the <Rolstoun> in the header a typo? The documentation just mentions forms with <a> as the initial vowel. [AmC] Huh, the name is submitted as Rolstoun. None of the historical individuals in the haggis site show a spelling such as this, nor does one appear in Reaney and Wilson. The client is willing to take major and minor changes to the name, which might be necessary. [MMM]

Tyler the Younger (Atenveldt Highlands): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per chevron inverted Or and sable, a pine tree couped sable and a chief rayonny gules.

The following are returned for further work by the Atenveldt CoH, August 2006:

Erik of Rockwell (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE and BADGE

(device) Azure, bat-winged sword inverted proper, winged Or, and a bordure Or.

(badge) Azure, a bat-winged sword inverted proper, winged Or.

The name was registered April 1999.

(Device) Alternate blazon: Azure, a sword inverted proper bat-winged within a bordure Or. The wings aren't inverted. The bordure should be wider. Consider Hrodgar Bertolf von München: Azure, a sword inverted proper between a pair of wings displayed inverted argent, a bordure Or. Single CD for the wing tincture. No CD for the conjoining, type of wings attached to an object, or the direction of the wing tips. [KH]

(Badge) Alternate blazon: Azure, a sword inverted proper bat-winged Or. (again, the sword is inverted, not the wings). Consider Thorvard Assa: Azure, a sword argent, hilted sable, the hilt winged Or, within an orle argent., with a single CD for the orle; and Barbara Fitzhugh de Brandhard: Azure, a sword inverted proper entwined widdershins of a poppy proper., with CD wings, possible CD poppy. Return for conflict. [KH] Thorvard’s ought to be clear for inverting the sword and for the addition of the orle. Barbara is a resident of Atenveldt (Wealhhnutu), and while the poppy is fairly prominent as a charge (I’ve seen her banner and other renderings of her armory), its identifiability is much reduced on the azure field, as the flower is gules and the foliage is vert (this is a very old piece of armory). I think I’m going to have to call the conflict based on Barbara’s device. [MMM]

Thank you all for your continuing heraldic service to your local areas and to the Kingdom of Atenveldt,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

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