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25 September 2003, A.S. XXXVIII
Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Erick and Nichelle; Their Royal Highnesses and Heirs Jonathon and Deille; Mistress Magdelen Venturosa, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the September 2003 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry: Please have comments or questions to me, on any armorial matter, by 15 October 2003.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Please consider for the October 2003 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Bartilmew Blackbourne (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Pily barry gules and Or, a sun within a bordure sable.

The name is English. Both elements are found in "Names in Chesham, 1538-1600/1," Mari Elspeth nic Bryan. Bartilmew, a masculine given name, is dated to 1588 ( ) and Blackborne is dated to 1569 ( ); Blackbourne seems to be a reasonable spelling variant.

Guilla Ironhair (Granholme): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale Or and vert, in pale a single-horned anvil and a hare salient sable.

Guilla is an Italian feminine given name; Guilla of Spoleto (c. 925-1012) was born in Este Italy ( ). (Note: the submitter originally wished to use Ingwylla, to alliterate with the byname, but we couldn't find anything close (she'd also prefer the spelling of the current given name as Gwylla, if possible-she is most interested in the sound of the name, not the language or culture). Any help in justifying the spelling Gwylla, or even Ingwyllya, would be very much appreciated.) Ironhair is a constructed byname, following patterns of English nicknames such as Irnefoot (Ironfoot) 1332, Irenbard (Ironbeard) 1316, and Irenherde (Ironhard) 1379 (examples found in "A Study of Middle English Nicknames I. Compounds, Jan Jonsjo). These names could refer to the bearer's black, coarse hair, or to their strength. The submitter prefers the byname to be spelled in modern English, so people more easily grasp the meaning-here it refers to a woman who uses a curling iron upon her hair! Curling, or "crisping" irons were used in the 13th C. by the men of England to produce tight curls on the forehead and at the nape of the neck (p. 103, Fashions in Hair: The First Five Thousand Years, Richard Corson, Hastings House Publishers, NY, 1965).

Veronica da Asola (Sundragon): NEW NAME

The name is Italian. Veronica is a feminine given name found in "Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427," Arval Benicoeur ( ). Asolo is a northern Italian town, once ruled by Queen Caterina Cornato (1454-1510), the Venetian wife of the King of Cyprus; she poisoned her husband so that Venice would gain control of Cyprus (p. 143, Eyewitness Travel Guides-Italy). I think the name of the town should appear as Asolo in the name, as the translation seems to be "Veronica of Asolo" rather than "Veronica the Asolon (sic) woman."

The following are included in the September 2003 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (note potentially new commentary):

This month's commentary is provided by Knute Hvitabjörn (Midrealm) [KH], Aryanhwy merch Catmael (Midrealm) [AmC], Da'ud ibn Auda (Ansteorra) [DiA], and Brendan mac Artuir [BmA]. Marta occasionally replies to commentary [MMM].

Amy Marie MacCormack (Twin Moons): NAME and DEVICE, held at Kingdom, June 2003

Per chevron inverted vert and purpure, a chevron inverted embattled counterembattled Or between a harp argent and a spaniel stantant Or.

Originally submitted as with the field and chevron inverted both enhanced, this has been redrawn to pull the ordinary out of the corners of the chief; to have kept them there would've geen the appearance of a fimbriated chief triangular (fimbriated chiefs are not permitted). Even with the redraw, this might still be considered enhanced, as the ordinary is pushed up somewhat to make space for the charge in base. Also, the crenelation on the embattled line has been made deeper.

Angus MacGregor of Argyll (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSIONS from Kingdom, October 2001

Azure semy of annulets, on a bend sinister Or three bulls heads cabossed palewise azure.

The annulets are a bit too small to be identifiable.[KH].

Anna Carye (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, June 2003

Per chevron azure and gules, on a pall inverted engrailed between two natural dolphins haurient embowed and a lighthouse argent, six escallops gules.

We may wish to specify that the escallops are all palewise. I believe that the usual default for those on the angled arms of the pall would be to follow the line of those arms, rather like charges on a saltire. [DiA]

Bryon l'Ours d'Argent de Bourgogne (Mons Tontritus): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, June 2003

Per pale sable and gules, two bears combattant within an orle argent.

The name was registered October 1986.

The original submission, without the orle, was returned for conflict with Morrigan Fitz-Rolf: (Fieldless) Two polar bears combattant proper, gorged of belled collars Or. [Thalarctos maritimus]. There is one CD for the field. Simply adding a bordure would've run into another conflict, and so an orle is being used.

Cecily d'Abernon (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE

The name was registered July 2002.

Azure, on a pale between two turtles argent, three damask roses proper, slipped and leaved vert.

"Damask" roses are "garden" roses, and we no longer specify "garden" roses in blazon. "The commentary is in, with a clear majority of commenters in favor of adopting Baron Bruce's proposal that we continue to accept garden roses in SCA armory, but simply blazon them as roses. As a consequence, we will immediately and henceforth blazon a rose, whether the default heraldic rose or the garden rose, as a rose." (Cover Letter with the November 1994 LoAR) Are the roses "pink" (per the PicDic), or gules (the standard default for an heraldic rose)? If the former, this may no longer be allowable under precedents regarding natural "proper" promulgated since the PicDic (even the second edition) was printed. [DiA] I checked Precedents back to Master Da'ud's first tenure, and nothing has been mentioned as to the prohibition of Damask roses as usable charges. [MMM]

Corwin de Harfleur (Atenveldt): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 1997

Azure, five annulets interlaced in saltire, a bordure argent.

The ILoI is correct when it notes that the bordure will have to be redrawn before it can be sent to Laurel; until I read the blazon, I didn't realize that it was supposed to have a bordure, and thought that the skinny edging was an artifact of photocopying. [DiA]

Donnghal Buchanan (Twin Moons): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, August 2003

Vert, a double-headed eagle Or and a bordure embattled Or ermined vert.

The original submission, using ....a bordure embattled Or., was returned for multiple conflicts. The ermine treatment on the bordure resolves those conflicts.

Fáelán Cameron (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSIONS from Kingdom, June 2003

Per bend sinister azure and vert, semy of pawprints Or, in dexter chief a wolf's head Or.

The original name, Cameron De Lockwolf was returned for Cameron, a surname, being used as a given name and problems with the construction of the locative. He's dropped a problematic locative and added a given name. Fáelán is a masculine Irish given name, meaning "wolf" (pp. 92-3, Ó Corráin and Maguire). Cameron is the name of a Scottish clan, with the Gaelic form-the two not related-being Camshrón, a descriptive, "crooked nose" (p. 35, MacLysaght). See the June 2003 Atenveldt internal LoI for a full accounting of the original of Cameron. While I believe that this name is acceptable, it might end up losing the diacritical marks seen in the first name if the spelling Cameron is maintained.

<Fáelán> is dated to the 7th-9th C in OCM. In the Irish Annals, <Faolán> (the late period spelling) occurs once in 1203. Combining an early period Gaelic name with a late period English or Scots byname is not very authentic, and is probably not registerable, because there are two weirdnesses: One for temporal disparity and one for lingual disparity. This

can be fixed by going with the later spelling of the given name, e.g. <Faolán Cameron>, or by making the entire thing Gaelic, e.g. <Fáelán Camshron>. [AmC]

This is a complete redesign of the original device; that was returned for conflict.

There is a weirdness for using the non-period SCA compatible pawprints. There is a problem with the blazonability and reproducibility of this submission. Where does the semy go? The given blazon suggests that the semy covers the whole field because it isn't forced off of the azure by contrast. The arrangement is unbalanced and might be worth a second weirdness. [KH]. I think, because the blazon doesn't mention "throughout," it is understood that the semy is only applied to the vert portion of the field. [MMM]

Unless he's willing to take the chance that some scribe will draw his pawprints as cat's, bear's, or some other critter's pawprints, we should specify that they are "wolf's pawprints" in the blazon. [DiA]

Hrafn Bloodaxe (Granite Mountain): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, June 2003

Per chevron sable and argent, in base a double-bitted axe, all within a bordure gules.

The original name submission, Hrafn, was returned for lack of a byname. This has been solved. Hrafn is an Old Norse masculine given name, found in "Viking Names found in the Landnámabók," by Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( ). Eric Bloodaxe was the favored son of Harald Finehair and is credited with the unification of Norway, becoming king after his father. This title was usurped by his brother Haken, and Eric relocated to the British Isles. He died in 954, and his sons later succeeded in becoming kings of Norway ( ). This is an Anglicized form of the byname. Bloodaxe has a rather popular following in the SCA Armorial.

The original submission, minus the bordure, ran into multiple conflicts. This could be alternately blazoned as Sable, on a pile inverted argent a double-bitted axe all within a bordure gules., since per chevron divisions of the field are checked for conflict against piles inverted.

Jens Sveinsson (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, May 2003

Argent, a merman proper crined sable maintaining in his sinister hand a torch sable, enflamed azure, on a bordure engrailed vert three escallops argent.

The name was registered May 2003.

The original submission, Argent, a merman proper crined sable maintaining in his sinister hand an open book argent fimbriated gules all within a bordure engrailed vert semy of escallops argent., was returned for the bordure engrailings being too numerous and too shallow for easy identifiability, and the near invisible fimbriation/binding of the book. Some redesign has solved these problems.

Unfortunately, during the review of the August Internal LoI, in which this appears, it was noted that "A caucasian mermaid cannot be placed on an argent field, as human (caucasian) flesh proper was somtimes depicted as argent in period sources." [Lachlann Wick of Brindle Myre, 11/99, R-Caid] Precedents - Elsbeth, under proper The proper merman on argent violates RfS VIII.2. [KH].

While this precedent has been addressed and reiterated several times by several Laurels, it was not mentioned in the course of the original return. It is Canute's feeling that the resubmission should be sent "as is"-in a few other resubmission cases, when an "additional" problem with a submission existed but was not cited in the official return, if the submitter had made all other suggested corrections, the CoA registered the resubmission, as the submitter had acted in Good Faith.

Further correspondence with the submitter has also determined that he would really prefer the merman not to be a typical Caucasian merman, but rather brown-skinned (like an Islander, East Indian or Native American-Western Europeans were aware of these population groups). The "Brown Precedent," set by the CoA in March 2002, states "Henceforward, and more in line with period heraldic practice, animals which are normally brown may be registered simply as an {X} proper (e. g., boar proper, hare proper). Animals which are frequently found as brown but also commonly appear in other tinctures in the natural world may be registered as a brown {X} proper (e. g., brown hound proper, brown horse proper)." We would hope that this precedent would apply to humans as well, as humans can be found as "normally brown," too. However, commentary on Brown Humans (LoAR Cover Letter December 2002) doesn't show the human part of Jens' merman as one of the established brown/dark humans (Turk, Moor, Blackamoor, or Saracen), which have defining features such as facial hair, hair styles, or headgear (turbans, crowns, or torses). After corresponding extensively with Canute (who can dig up all these Precedents as if by magic!), we feel that Jens' submission might stand the best chance of being registered as a missed precedent by Laurel.[MMM]

Jonathon von Trotha (Atenveldt): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, jointly held with Deille of Farnham, for House Astrum Aureum

[Household name: County Astrum Areum] I suspect that households called "County" will suffer the same unregistrability problems as household badges which contain, for example, a closed loop of chain. Unless all of the members of the household are of county rank, I believe "County [anything]" will be considered unregistrable. "He should be reminded that, since his badge uses the restricted insignia of the chivalry, it may not be borne or used by anyone not of that rank." (LoAR February 1987, p. 4) [DiA] [BmA]

Malise Athelstan MacKendry (Sundragon): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2003

Purpure, a matchlock musket and a rapied crossed in saltire and point pointed argent charged with an open book sable.

The original name, Mael-Iosa Æthelstan MacKendry, was a combination of an undated Gaelic masculine name, "servant of Jesus," (found under Malise, p. 204, Withycombe); an Old English masculine given name, the name of a king of Wessex and documented in the Domesday Book 1086 (p. 35, ibid), and a Scottish family name from the Gaelic MacEanruig, "son of Henry." The elements have all been rendered into an Anglicized form of the name, which might help in the registration of the name. The submitter does not allow major changes to the name.

The original device submission, Per chevron purpure and argent, a matchlock musket and a rapier-hilted broadsword crossed in saltire argent, and an open book argent, bound sable., was returned for several style issues, which have been resolved by the slight redesign.

Mariana Vivia de Santiago (Atenveldt): NAME APPEAL and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, March 2002

Argent, a heart sable winged gules within a bordure embattled azure.

Vivia was an element of the original name submission that was dropped (with the submitter's permission), as no documentation had been provided for it, and none could be found. Documentation is now provided. Vivia is found on p. 91 of Diez Melcon's Apellidos Castellano-Leoneses.

The embattling needs to be bolder and deeper. [KH]

Nicholas Fletcher of Canterbury (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, February 2003

Azure ermined argent, a greyhound courant, on a chief Or an arrow reversed gules.

Tatiana Laski Krakowska (Atenveldt): NEW ALTERNATE NAME, Sancha Galindo de Toledo

The submitter's primary name was registered September 2000.

Lovely alternate name. [AmC]

The following are returned for further work by the Atenveldt College of Heralds, September 2003:

Jonathon von Trotha (Atenveldt): NEW BADGE, jointly held with Deille of Farnham, for House Astrum Aureum

Per pale sable and gules, a compass star throughout Or.

"Why Some Charges are Just Too Popular for Simple Armory"

I didn't even have to look in the Ordinary to find a conflict; I've got it memorized. Paul of Sunriver, Azure, a compass star Or. There is one CD, for the change to the field, but nothing for the "throughoutness" of the mullet (especially since a compass star has only half of the points actually "throughout", which vastly reduces any potential visual difference for throughout vs. not throughout). [DiA]

Keeping in mind the following precedents:

[a compass star vs a mullet of four points] The overwhelming visual similarities between a mullet of four points and a mullet of four greater and four lesser points/compass star, both of which are non-period charges, mandates against granting a ... CD for this relatively minor difference. (Raffaelle de Mallorca, 6/95 p. 23) Precedents - Da'ud 2.2 under Mullet, Compass Star, & Estoile

[mullets vs mullets pierced] Current research seems to indicate that mullets and mullets pierced (or spur rowels) were used interchangeably in period. As a consequence, no difference is currently granted between them. (Agnes Daunce, 5/96 p. 20) Precedents - Da'ud 2.2 under Mullet, Compass Star, & Estoile

Chirhart Blackstar. Badge. (Fieldless) A mullet sable ... It is also in conflict with the Chronicler's badge for the Kingdom of Ansteorra, A mullet of five greater and five lesser points distilling goutes ... {implying that the distilled goutes are considered maintained charges} LoAR 05/00 R-Atlantia

The following all conflict with the proposed badge:

Ælfwin Lorimar: Gyronny arrondy sable and argent, a mullet of four points pierced Or.; Ansteorra, Kingdom of: (Fieldless) A mullet of five greater and five lesser points distilling gouttes Or.; Paul of Sunriver: Azure, a compass star Or.; Rolf the Relentless: Pean, a compass-star fitchy of eight Or.; Wendryn Townsend: Azure, a sun in glory Or.; William Allan: Barry of six gules and argent, a sun in his glory Or.; Macedonia: Gules, a sun Or.; Macedonia, Republic of: Gules, a sun of eight straight rays throughout Or.; Wolfgang de Rotus: Quarterly sable and argent, a sun in splendour.; Atenveldt, Kingdom of: Per pale argent and azure, a sun in his splendour.

Those mentioned above have 1 CD for field. No CDs are provided for piercing, lesser points, number of points greater than five, distilled goutes or versus a sun.

Eleanor Leonard - July of 1982 (via Atlantia): (Tinctureless) A mullet of four points distilling a goutte. Eleanor gives permission to conflict if field and/or mullet is not solid plain tincture (as of 2/2001). There is 1 CD for field difference.

Rachel of Ravenskeep: Azure, a mullet of six points, each ray surmounted at its tip by a crescent, horns outward, Or. There is 1 CD for field, possible CD for crescent treatment of points. [KH]

Takezo Miyamoto (Atenveldt): NEW NAME

The name is Japanese. The family name Miyamoto should precede the given name, hence Miyamoto Takezo. Both elements are found in Musashi, by Eiji Yoshikawa, which chronicles the life of a late 16th C. Samurai, Miyamoto Musashi. However, this individual's given birth name appears to be Takezo, and Miyamoto Musashi was given to him upon the completion of his training. As this is one and the same person, this is a conflict, RfS V.1.c. Historical Personal Names - "Protected historical personal names are protected in all of the forms in which they commonly appear." " Japanese Formal Masculine Given Names," by Solveig Þrondardottir ( ) provides a long list of given names that the submitter might wish to consider (please be aware that those that sound too close to Takezo could also be returned for presumption).

Tatiana Laski Krakowska (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE

Quarterly argent and azure, two hedgehogs statant contourny proper and two mullets argent.

This quarters a badge belonging to Elrik Skap-Vargr [(Fieldless) A hedgehog statant contourney proper.] with the flag of Somalia [Azure, a mullet argent.] This is presumptious and violates RfS XI.3. [KH]

These are quartered arms (Quarterly: 1 and 4, Argent, a hedgehog statant contourny proper; 2 and 3, Azure, a mullet argent.), and unregistrable in the SCA, per RfS XI.3. [DiA]

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, June 2003:

Amphelisia Wynter. Name and device. Per pale azure and sable, a natural leopard's head affronty erased argent marked sable and on a bordure argent three roses proper.

Anne Marguerite Gobelin. Device. Per pale azure and gules, a fleur-de-lys Or and in chief two compass stars argent.

Candace Margreta Zanten. Name change from Margarette van Zanten and device change. Pily bendy Or and azure, a pegasus salient contourny argent within a bordure ermine.

Submitted as Candace Margreta van Zanten, the submitter provided documentation for Candace as an English given name from c. 1624. The LoI summarizes the original reason for return of the submitter's name along with the new documentation:

'The lady has tried to register Candace for some time, but the reason for its original return in 1989 was that, while Candace appears in the Bible (Acts viii.27), it also appears to be a dynastic title for the queens of Ethiopia (the Roman writer Pliny uses this term as well).

"She has found a citation for Candace's use as an English given name c. 1624, within the CoA's grey period of names, in The Visitations of Cornwall, comprising the Heralds' Visitations of 1530, 1573, and 1620 by John Lambrick Vivian, a publication comprising the Heralds' Visitations of 1531, 1564, & 1620, with additions by Lieutenant_Colonel J.L. Vivian. Henry S. Eland, Exeter, 1895; the family pedigree with Candace is found on p. 69, amount midway down the page. This documents a Candace Carew, born c. 1624, to John Carew of Penwarne and Alice Hilman. ( While this page does not show her birth date, I am enclosing to Laurel an appendix page from a genealogical service that demonstrates the same relationship, with dates, to her father (b. c. 1584), her mother (c.1588-1631), and her marriage to Hugh Trevan(n)ion; as her mother died in 1631, Candace's birth must precede this, and this is within the grey area.'

This example is sufficient to grant the submitter the benefit of the doubt on this name. It must be noted that Candace, like Regina, was used as a title. Therefore, it may be used as a given name "provided there is no suggestion of territorial claim or explicit assertion of rank" (RfS VI.1). Specifications regarding a "suggestion of territorial claim or explicit assertion of rank" were included in the precedent: The College is opposed to the use of titles in names. We have received documentation that Regina specifically was a common given name in our period. Therefore, we will allow the use of Regina as a given name so long as there is no indication in the name that a claim to royalty exists. This means that Regina must be the first word of the Society name and that the Society name may not be in Latin, and that the word Regina may not be followed by any translation of "of X," where X is a place name, as that could indicate that the person was queen of that place. This use of Regina does not imply permission to use any other titles as names (e.g., you still can't have Earl or Rex). WVS [63] [LoAR 26 Feb 82], p. 7

In a similar manner, Candace must be the first element of the Society name, which it is in the submitted name, and Candace "may not be followed by any translation of 'of X,' where X is a place name, as that could indicate that the person was queen of that place." In the submitted name, van Zanten means 'of Zanten', and so violates the requirement that Candace not be followed by any translation of 'of [placename]'. Effectively, the submitted name translates to 'Queen Margaret of Zanten', and, so, is not registerable. We have dropped the particle van 'of' in order to remove the suggestion of territorial claim.

Her previous name, Margarette van Zanten, is released.

Her previous device, Pily bendy azure and Or, a swift migrant bendwise sinister argent, is retained as a badge.

Dmitri Kazimirovich and Tatiana Gordeevna Kazimirova. Badge (see RETURNS for household name). (Fieldless) In pale a tree blasted sable issuant from a heart per pale sable and gules.

Elena Glamorgan. Name and badge. Gules, a comet bendwise inverted Or.

Listed on the LoI as Flavia Elena Glamorganshire, this name was submitted as Flavia Elena ab Glamorganshire. The particle ab 'son' was removed at Kingdom because it is a patronymic marker and would not be used in a locative byname.

Flavia was documented in the LoI as "the name of a 6th C. female saint, martyred by Moorish corsairs". Upon examining the submitted documentation, it merely states that Flavia was a sister of a saint named Placidus, not that Flavia was a saint herself. Siren found other information regarding Flavia as the name of a saint: I can find no reference to the <Flavia> mentioned in the LoI. The only <Flavia> in the Catholic Encyclopedia and in Delany's Dictionary of Saints is <Flavia Domitilla>, a first century member of the Imperial family and secret Christian. She seems to have been a minor saint; the Catholic Encyclopedia does not mention her sainthood [though] it gives a biography, but Delaney gives a feast day for her.

As stated in "From Pelican: Regarding the Registerability of Saints' Names", included in the Cover Letter to the September 2001 LoAR, the names of saints are registerable as part of an SCA name, with some restrictions, including:

[T]he form that the saint's name takes in the submitted name is subject to the standard rules and precedents, including those regarding weirdnesses that were set down in the August 1999 cover letter.

Unfortunately for the submitter, mixed Irish / Spanish names are not allowed (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR of July 1997). As Teresa was not used in the British Isles until after our period we have to return this. [Teresa Callan, 04/01, R-Atenveldt]

Teresa was considered a Spanish name in this ruling since Saint Teresa was a 16th C Spanish saint whose cult did not spread to the British Isles until after period. Therefore, as Saint Teresa was not known in Ireland in period, Irish parents could not have named daughters for her and the name had to be considered Spanish in this submission. Since Teresa is the name of a saint, it was registerable. But that registerability did not override the ban on mixing Irish and Spanish.

Some combinations are clearly not likely. Wickenden (3rd ed., p. 304) gives Sadok (a masculine name) as the name of a 4th C Russian saint-martyr. Though Sadok is a saint, no evidence exists that he was known in Westen Europe, so it does not seem reasonable that Welsh parents would know about this saint and choose to name their son after him. So the name Sadok ap Rhys would not be registerable because Russian and Welsh are not a registerable combination.

In this case, Flavia has been documented as a Roman saint. No evidence was provided, and none was found by the College, that an early saint named Flavia was known in the Middle Ages. Just as in the Sadok example above, we have no evidence that a Welsh, or even English, parent would have known of a saint named Flavia. If they did not know of a Saint Flavia, they could not have named a child for her in their language. Lacking references to one of these saints named Flavia in another language (such as Middle English), the name Flavia can only be considered as the (Roman) Latin name of a 1st and/or 6th C woman, and only appropriate for that language and time.

Therefore, the submitted name combines a 1st and/or 6th C Roman Latin given name (Flavia), with a given name documented as both English and Welsh (Elena), and the English name for a Welsh shire (Glamorganshire). Lacking evidence that combining 6th C Roman Latin with Welsh spoken in the Middle Ages is plausible in period, this combination is not registerable. As the submitter allows major changes, we have dropped Flavia in order to register this name.

Some documentation exists that -shire was included in locative bynames based on English shire names. For example, Bardsley, s.n. Derbyshire, dates Idonia Darbyschyre to 1379. However, no evidence was found that this trend existed for names of Welsh shires. Therefore, we have dropped -shire from the byname in order to register this name.

Iamys MacMurray de Morayshire. Device change. Argent, on a bend azure cotised vert three mullets palewise argent all within a bordure azure.

The submitter's previous device, Paly vert and argent, two wyverns erect respectant sable and on a chief azure three mullets argent, is retained as a badge.

Iamys MacMurray de Morayshire. Badge. Gules, on a pile dovetailed ermine a lion rampant contourny sable.

Johann Friedrich. Name and device. Per saltire sable and gules, in fess two rapiers Or.

This name does not conflict with the 16th C elector of Saxony Johann Friedrich, nor with the 19th C theologian Johann Friedrich, even though each has his own entry in the 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica (the former as John Frederick). The "From Laurel: Beyond the Encyclopedia" section of the Cover Letter for the January 2003 LoAR explains: In order to bring the decision back within the College of Arms and to realign with our scope of protection, we are refining the process by which we decide which names to protect. Beginning with this letter, each name will be evaluated individually. The initial factor will continue to be an entry in a general-purpose encyclopedia. However, now we consider the prominence of this person (including when they lived and the length and contents of their encyclopedia entry) when determinining whether they are important enough to protect.

In accordence with this policy, since these two men named Johan Friederich have entries in the Encyclopedia Britannica, we considered whether or not they were important enough to protect. In this case, neither is well enough known among the general populace of the SCA to warrant protecting this name.

Rowan O'Collan. Name.

Submitted as Rowan O'Coilen, no documentation was presented and none was found that O'Coilen is a plausible period form of this name in either Gaelic or Anglicized Irish. Woulfe (p. 470 s.n. Ó Coileáin) dates the Anglicized Irish forms O Collaine and O Collan to temp. Elizabeth I-James I. As Woulfe shows surname forms that are spelled O'[name] in addition to O [name], we have changed this byname to O'Collan, as the closest plausible period form to the submitted O'Coilen, in order to register this name.

I remain,

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