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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 10 July 2015, A.S. L
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Morgan and Elizabeth; Baron Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings of the New Year from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!


This is the July 2015 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent. There are no submissions at this time for the July 2015 LoI.


Heraldry Hut: The April Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 17 July beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for location.


Please consider the following submissions for the August 2015 Letter of Intent:


Aislinn Flur MacAlister (Burning Sands): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Purpure, a lion rampant and on a chief Or, five sprigs of heather purpure, stemmed and leaved vert.

Aislinn is an SCA-compatible Gaelic name (as of August 2000). I think it has continued to be registered, but after 15 years, I may be wrong.

I find no example of the name Flur, but the meaning of the name is said to be “dream + flower,” so it's likely that it might be Fleur. Fleur is the name of a 14th-C. French saint.

MacAlister is a Scots surname, from the Scots Gaelic family name MacAlasdair (undated in Black, pp. 449-450, s.n. Macalaster). IGI records help, although the full form MacAlister does not appear until after 1650. However, the scribal abbreviation McAlister does appear in christening records earlier: Dow Mcalister was christened on 28 September, 1606, at Inverness (Batch: C110987); Mcrobie Mcalister was christened on 29 March, 1608, at Inverness (Batch: C110987) (it should be noted that her father's name was William Mcrobie Mcalister so this may be an example of surname-form middle name as given name from Scotland); William Moir Mcalister Mcwilliam was christened on 6 May, 1610, at Inverness (Batch: C110987); and Thomas Mcalister Reoche was christened on 12 October, 1609, at Inverness (Batch: C110987). The CoA allowed the registration of MacAlister.

So I've come up with a Gaelic given name + French given name + Scots surname. I can't see how to justify this.

The client desires a female name and is most interested in the meaning, “dream + flower”.

The primary charge is blazoned as a lioness. While it looks more like a lion to me, I don't have a problem blazoning it to please the client (a feline is a feline is a feline).


Attalus of Carthage (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a man affronty gules in a short tunic Or kneeling upon one knee and sustaining upon his shoulders a demi-roundel issuant from chief azure.

Attalus is a Classical Greek male given name. Attalus I Soter, “Attalus the Preserver”, 269-197 BCE, was a protector of the Greek cities of Anatolia[4] and viewed himself as the champion of Greeks against barbarians, particularly the Galatians (later known as the Gauls by the Romans) in Anatolia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attalus_I , http://www.britannica.com/biograhy/Attalus-I-Soter,). The ancient city of Carthage in modern Tunisia was founded by the Phoenicians and eventually fell at the end of the third Punic War in 146 BCE

(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Carthage).

The client desires a male name and is most interested in the sound of the name.

I'm not sure that as submitted, the charge in chief can be construed as a demi-rounel, which I would think is a half roundel. Can anyone blazon the submitted charge more accurately.


Lachlan MacAlister (Burning Sands): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, a wyvern erect gules and a bordure argent charged with six crosses crosslet gules.

Spelled as Lachlan on the name submission form, but as Lachland on the device submission form, a decision needs to be made here. Lachlann is found in Black as a given name, with the Gaelic Lachlann Makfingane in 1409, s.n. Mackinnon, and Lachlann M'Fynwyn de Myschenys in 1467. Lachlann is also dated to 1436 in Black p. 410 s.n. Lachlan.

MacAlister is a Scots surname, from the Scots Gaelic family name MacAlasdair (undated in Black, pp. 449-450, s.n. Macalaster). IGI records help, although the full form MacAlister does not appear until after 1650. However, the scribal abbreviation McAlister does appear in christening records earlier: Dow Mcalister was christened on 28 September, 1606, at Inverness (Batch: C110987); Mcrobie Mcalister was christened on 29 March, 1608, at Inverness (Batch: C110987) (it should be noted that her father's name was William Mcrobie Mcalister so this may be an example of surname-form middle name as given name from Scotland); William Moir Mcalister Mcwilliam was christened on 6 May, 1610, at Inverness (Batch: C110987); and Thomas Mcalister Reoche was christened on 12 October, 1609, at Inverness (Batch: C110987). The CoA allowed the registration of MacAlister.

The client desires a male name.


Nai Metzli Quetzaxochitl (Ered Sul): NEW NAME and DEVICE
Gules, a natural seahorse Or and a bordure argent.

The name is said to be Mayan, and no documentation was provided for the name. As found in SENA GP.2.B. The Burden of Proof: “The College of Arms and the kingdom colleges of heralds should work to provide suitable documentation to register a submission. However, it is ultimately the submitter's responsibility (italics mine) to demonstrate that a submission meets the standards set forth in these rules; a complete lack of documentation can be cause for return. It is not the responsibility of the Laurel office to demonstrate that a submission does not meet these standards...”

The client desires a female name, is most interested in the sound of the name, and would like it authentic for 5th-7th C. Mayan. (A very quick scan before posting the Letter of Presentation show Metzli and Quetzalxochitl as Nahuatl/Aztec names.)


Neot the Pict (Ered Sul): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, in pale a winged fish naiant wings elevated and addorsed Or and a fishing hook argent.

No documentation was provided for the name. As found in SENA GP.2.B. The Burden of Proof: “The College of Arms and the kingdom colleges of heralds should work to provide suitable documentation to register a submission. However, it is ultimately the submitter's responsibility (italics mine) to demonstrate that a submission meets the standards set forth in these rules; a complete lack of documentation can be cause for return. It is not the responsibility of the Laurel office to demonstrate that a submission does not meet these standards...”

Fortunately, there is an individual who registered the given name (through Atenveldt, no less), Neot Fisk. St. Neot is found in the Oxford Dictionary of Saints, p. 351, dated to 877. He was a hermit and a relative of King Alfred the Great, who would visit him for his counsel; he was ordained before he departed to become a hermit in Cornwall (Catholic Online: Saints and Angels, http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=4817 ). When the name and device were registered, Laurel commented: “The given name Neot was documented as a modern form of the name of a saint who died in 870. The medieval form Niot is recorded in Asser's Vita Alfredi, written in 893. The saint gave rise to the name of a town in Cambridgeshire, whose name was spelled S' Neod in 1132 and S. Neoti in 1203, according to Ekwall, The Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place-names, s.n. St. Neot. These spellings together support Neot as an extrapolated Middle English form of the saint's name. Furthermore, the existence of the place name shows that Saint Neot continued to be known and venerated throughout the Middle English period. Thus, Neot is registerable as a Middle English form of the saint's name via the saint's name allowance.”

The most recent registration of Pict was for Erc Mortagh the Pict, February 1992. “Consideration of Pictish Names,” Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/tangwystyl/pictnames/) deals with early, classical medieval uses of the term “Pict”and linguistic definitions, among a few other topics.
The client desires a male name and is most interested in the sound of the name. He would like the name to be authentic for an 380-400 AD Pict (language/culture and time period).
And as an addendum (stop the presses!), this is the same individual as Neot Fisk. As submission fees were included with this paperwork, is this a name and device change? If so, what should happen to the registered items if the new name and device are registered? He has the right to release or maintain the old registered name as an alternate, and to release or maintain the old device ( Azure, a horse courant and in canton a crescent argent.) as a badge.
The blazon is based on the arms of Arian Rowan of Featherfin, Azure, a winged trout naiant to sinister, wings elevated and addorsed argent, on a chief Or three frets throughout vert.


The following appear in the July 2015 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


Dalbach mac Olcán (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME

Originally submitted as Dalbabhach Olcán, no documentation was found for the given name, and the patronymic particle was missing. Upon further consultation with the client, he is happy to accept the documented Old Irish Gaelic name Dalbach and adding the particle.

Dalbach is an Old Irish male given name dated to 800, in “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Dalbach, Dalbhach,”Mari Elspeth nic Bryan

(http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Dalbach.shtml)
Olcán is the name of an early Irish saint whose feast day is February 20 (http://omniumsanctorumhiberniae.blogspot.com/2013/02/olcan-of-armoy-february-20.html)
The particle mad denotes the patronymic relationship between Dalbach and his father Olcán.
The client desires a male name and is most interested in the meaning and sound of the name. He will not accept Major Changes to the name.


Gráinne an Einigh inghean Uí Mháille (Barony of Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, April 2015: Per pale argent and vert, an olive tree counterchanged fructed sable and a base rayonny Or.

The name is pended at Laurel for further commentary, until September 2015.

The original device, Per pale vert and argent, an olive tree counterchanged fructed sable and a base rayonny Or., was returned for conflict with the device of Aleyn More: Per pale vert and argent, a weeping willow counterchanged. “Both olive trees and weeping willow trees are round-shaped trees so there is no DC for type of charge. Thus, there is only one DC for adding the base.” The field tinctures and that of the tree were “flipped,” thus clearing the conflict (and hopefully avoiding the introduction of any new conflict).


Gwyneth O Callaghan (BoA): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, May 2015: Argent, an ash tree eradicated proper and on a chief azure a sun Or between an increscent and a decrescent argent.

The name was registered May 2014.

The previous submission, as listed above, was returned “administratively. The form uploaded was hand-colored while the emblazon in OSCAR was computer-colorized, which has long been a cause for return.” The problem has been corrected.


Sayyid ibn Tariq al-Muhibb (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE: Vert, a pile bendwise issuant from sinister base, in sinister chief the miniscule Greek letter pi argent.

The name was registered June 2014.

Various forms of Greek letters appear in https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_alphabet under the section “Letter Shapes”. The accompanying text says “in the 9th and 10th century, uncial book hands were replaced with a new, more compact writing style, with letter forms partly adapted from the earlier cursive. This minuscule style remained the dominant form of handwritten Greek into the modern era."


Yehoshua ben Abraam (BoA): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, February 2015: Or, two pea-vines fructed and entwined, on a chief vert three stars of David Or.

The name was registered July 2009.

The previous submission, Or, two pea-vines fructed and entwined about a stake, on a chief vert three stars of David Or.,” was returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2: "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable. Many commenters were unable to identify the stake as an element independent from the plant.” The stake has been removed.

Pea-plants/ pea-vines figure prominently into the civic arms of Gorokhovets (Vladimir oblast), http://www.civicheraldry.com/page/2964, a river port first mentioned in 1239, when it was sacked by the Mongols, and in 1539, when it a avoided destruction by the Tatars. The name of the city comes from the Russian, gorokh, “peas” (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gorokhovets,_Vladimir_Oblast).


The following appear in the June 2015 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

I was assisted in the preparation of this Letter of Intent by Alys Mackyntoich, Andreas Lucernensis, Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger, Christopher Devereux, ffride wlffsdotter, Gawain of Miskbridge, Jeanne Marie Lacroix (Noir Licorne).

This Letter of Intent is dated 30 June 2015.


Adheliza Stjarna: NEW DEVICE: Argent, a Viking ship and in dexter chief a mullet of eight points azure.

Several commenters noted that the mullet was not a “simple” one of eight points, but rather a mullet of four greater and four lesser points (it's a SFPP, but the only one in the design). There was also some issue with the display on the sails, and how the ship should be blazoned; as she has a Norse persona, I think she's prefer that it's blazoned as a drakkar.


Bartholomew of Wolfetwain (BoA): NEW DEVICE CHANGE

Gules, a saltire Or, overall in base two grey wolf's heads erased addorsed conjoined at the necks proper. [Canis lupus]

The name was registered February 1981.

Way back when, the client's device was registered as Gules, a saltire Or, overall in base two grey wolf's heads erased addorsed conjoined at the necks proper. [Canis lupus], with the wolf's heads somehow migrating downward and being registered in base. He's never been happy with this conclusion, and lo, after these many years, would like to change his device so the heads can be returned to where he's always wanted them to be. If registered, he wishes to release his old device.


Brian Winterbourne: NEW NAME CHANGE from Brian the Pious, AND NEW DEVICE: Azure, a sun argent charged with six pheons in annulo points to center azure and in chief a coronet embattled argent.

His Excellency just stepped down as King of Atenveldt on 2 May 2015 (http://www.atenveldt.org/Heraldry/OrderofPrecedence/memid/2097). Brian's county was awarded on 2 May 2015.


Duncan Redfern: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess Or and argent, a griffin passant contourny sable and two fern fronds crossed in saltire gules.

This is an English and Scot name element combination, which is permitted.


Elizabeth Redfern: NEW NAME


Emelyn Fraser (BoA): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, Stonegard Keep, and BADGE: (fieldless) A bat-winged sphinx sejant erect sable, face argent.


Granite Mountain, Barony of (Granite Mountain): BADGE RESUBMISSION for the Order of Beauty of Granite Mountain from Laurel, April 2015: Per fess indented vert and sable, a pen bendwise sinister issuant from an inkwell Or.

The Order name was registered April 2015.

The badge submission was returned administratively, as the hand-colored form uploaded did not match the computer-generated mini emblazon apparent in OSCAR. Corrections have been made.


Gunnarr Berserkr: NAME RESUBMISSION from Laurel, March 2015


Gunnvarðr Egilsson (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME


Haukr Bjarnarson: NEW NAME CHANGE from William of Lochridge


Isabeau della Farfalla (BoA): NEW BADGE: Sable, a crescent argent charged with a butterfly azure.


Ismeralda Franceska Rusciolelli da Vale (Granite Mountain): NEW BADGE: (fieldless) A human breast proper distilling three gouts Or.


Lia Winterbourne (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME CHANGE

Michaelis Aurelius (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE: Per bend azure and purpure, on a bend engouled of two lions' heads Or, three gunstones.


Michaelis Aurelius (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) On a bend engouled of two lions' heads Or three gunstones, overall a rapier bendwise sinister inverted Or.


The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, May 2015:


Arria Silvana. Device change. Per fess vert and sable, a unicorn's head couped argent and three ivy leaves Or.

The submitter's old device, Per fess vert and sable, a unicorn's head couped argent and three Arabian lamps Or, is released.

Gareth Llandefaelog. Name and device. Sable, a pall inverted and in sinister chief a rabbit rampant Or.

Submitted as Gareth Llandefaelog, the byname appeared in the Letter of Intent as Llandfaelog. No reason for this change was given, and it may have been a typographical error. Although the submitted form was not specifically dated, the documentation stated that the forms following the header forms were either dated to c.1267 or were consistent with 13th and 14th century Welsh or English spellings. In addition, the modern form of this place name is spelled Llandyfaelog, found on the town council's website (http://www.llandyfaelog.org.uk/Llandyfaelog-land/Default.aspx). As the submitted spelling is not identical to the modern form, we are able to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that it is a period spelling, and can restore it to the submitted form.

Jórhildr skáldhrafn. Device. Argent, in pale a thistle and a boar passant proper, a bordure azure.

Kára Hanadóttir. Device. Vert, a phoenix face to sinister argent and a sinister gore ermine.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a gore with another charge on the field.

Sitriuc of Atenveldt. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for other device). Per chevron Or and vert, two pommes each charged with a triskelion of armored legs Or and a winged sea-fox naiant argent.

This submission was pended from the December 2014 LoAR to determine which of two near-identical submissions was the correct one. Submitted under the name Sitriuc Sionnach Liath.


The following submissions were returned by the Atenveldt CoH for further work, May 2015:


Gwyneth O Callaghan. Device. Argent, an ash tree eradicated proper and on a chief azure a sun Or between an increscent and a decrescent argent.

This device is returned administratively. The form uploaded was hand-colored while the emblazon in OSCAR was computer-colorized, which has long been a cause for return.

Mineko of Twin Moons. Badge. (Fieldless) A domestic cat sejant affronty sinister paw raised argent within and conjoined to a mascle gules.

This badge is returned for presumption upon the protected symbol of the Red Crystal, a symbol protected by treaty for the use of the International Committee of the Red Cross: A gules mascle on any argent background or in any way that could be displayed on an argent background. The presence of the cat in the middle of the muscle does not prevent the presumption as, by international treaty, for indicative use on foreign territory, a national society which does not use one of the recognized symbols as its emblem has to incorporate its unique symbol into the Red Crystal.

Mineko of Twin Moons and Irina Dionisiya Tolochkova. Joint household name Societate Sine Nomine and badge. (Fieldless) A serpent with a head at both ends nowed in a Cavendish knot argent.

This household name is returned because it doesn't follow a pattern of naming a group of people in period. The examples cited in the Letter of Intent were a name of a mass, and a heraldic title named after a motto. We do not have evidence of households named after Latin mottos. Without evidence to support this pattern, we are unable to register this household name.

Upon resubmission, the submitters should know that the correct nominative (base) form of the designator meaning "Society" is Societas.

This badge is returned for presumption with the badge of the House of Savoy: (Tinctureless) A Savoy knot (Important non-SCA badge). There is a DC for tinctureless versus tinctured but, by long standing precedent, there is no DC between different types of knots nor between a snake nowed in a recognizable knot and the knot itself.

Sitriuc of Atenveldt. Device. Per chevron Or and vert, two pommes each charged with a triskelion of armored legs Or and a winged sea-fox naiant Or.

This submission was pended from the December 2014 LoAR to determine which of two near-identical submissions was the correct one. This submission has been withdrawn by the Kingdom.


Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

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