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Unto Their Royal Majesties Cosmo Craven and Elzbieta; Lord Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the August 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent. Please have commentary to me by 15 August 2014.

Heraldry Hut: Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 15 August, 2014, beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for location and directions.

Please consider the following submissions for the August 2014 Letter of Intent:

Auðr Þorkelsdóttir (St. Felix): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Gules, a fox courant Or within a bordure compony azure and Or.

Both name elements Auðr and Þorkell are found in “Viking Names found in Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael, The formation of the name is found in “A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael, The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name.

Dubhchobhlaigh inghean Eoin uí Ealaighthe (Ered Sul): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, Short Straw Cart House, and NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A mule passant contourny sable pulling a two-wheeled cart vert filled with straw Or.

The personal name was registered May 2008.

Short straws are used in the drawing of lots, (I can't say that I'd want a whole cart filled with them.) The “Short Straw Cart” Inn might be reaching a bit (maybe the Cart and Mule, or the Straw Cart), but it isn't so far removed (it is in the English language) that it might be registerable, particularly in a very agricultural area). The client will not accept Major or Minor changes to the name.

Margherita da Ferrera (Mons Tonitrus): NAME RECONSIDERATION from Laurel June 2012 and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel December 2011.

Per pale purpure and vert, a sun and on a chief Or three bunches of grapes purpure leaved vert.

The client's original name submission, Margherita da Ferrara, was returned by Laurel December 2011 because the name conflicted with the registered Margaret di Ferrara. “If the new proposed rules are implemented as proposed, these names will not conflict (as the difference between the two affect the sound and appearance of multiple syllables of the names).” Ghita da Ferrara served as the resubmission (Thunderbolt Pursuivant found a citation for Ghita), and this was subsequently registered June 2012. However, it was noted in the acceptance that “this does not conflict with the registered Margaret di Ferrara. Under the Rules for Submissions, diminutives conflict with the names from which they are derived. However, Ghita is a diminutive of Margarita, not Margaret. As the names are otherwise different in sound and appearance, these names do not conflict. Under the Standards for Evaluation, we compare names on sound and appearance only, and Ghita and Margaret are quite different in both sound and appearance. Under the Standards for Evaluation, Margarita da Ferrara (her original submission) would be clear of conflict as well.” The client would like to register this as her primary name.

The original device submission, Per bend sinister purpure and vert, a sun and on a chief Or a grape vine vert fructed purpure., was returned for conflict with Bianca Lucia da Como, Per pale azure and vert, a sun and on a chief Or an ivy vine proper. There is one CD for the change of field, but no difference between an ivy vine and a grape vine, as the shape of their leaves is similar. The change to three charges on the chief should clear the conflict by providing the second DC.

Nikolaus Gerhart (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a wing terminating in a hand maintaining a sword gules.

Nikolaus is dated 1451-1550 in “Late Period German Masculine Given Names,” Talan Gwynek, Gerhart is found in “German Names from Nürnberg, 1497,” Sara L. Uckelman, The client desires a male name and is most interested in the meaning of the name (Nicholas is his legal given name).

Roberto Raimondo of Mons Tonitrus (Mons Tonitrus): NAME RECONSIDERATION

The client's original name submission, Robert Raimondo de la Montana de Trueno, was registered in June 1998 as Robert Raimondo of Mons Tonitrus, because “"De la Montana de Trueno" is intended to translate the name of his local branch (Mons Tonitrus) into the language of the name (Spanish). While this is a praiseworthy intent, only the actual registered form of an SCA branch name is automatically registerable as part of a personal name. If the name is translated into some other language, then it must be a plausible place-name in that language. Unfortunately, no one has been able to demonstrate that mountains were named after atmospheric phenomena, such as thunder, in Spanish in period. Given the lack of documentation standards in earlier years - particularly for SCA branch names - there is no reason to assume that a registered branch name is documentable even in the language it is registered in. In addition, a place name may be a reasonable construction in one language and culture but not necessarily in another. So even if a registered branch name is, in itself, a well-constructed period place name, translating it into another language may make it a historic impossibility. For example, the existence of the registered SCA branch name "Mists" should not be taken as licensing the use of words meaning "Mists" as locative bynames in any and all period languages. Therefore barring evidence for "Mountain of Thunder" as a plausible period place name in Spanish, this name must be returned. The armory was registered under the holding name Roberto Raimondo of Mons Tonitrus.” The client has never been happy with this ruling (I think it makes the name as a whole weird, for lack of a better term, a peculiar mix of Spanish and Latin).

The Sierra de las Nieves (snow) is a is a mountain range in Andalusia, Spain, at the southern-most region of the Iberian Peninsula. Its highest point is the 1,919 m high La Torrecilla peak ( Punta del Trueno (side, end) Punta del Trueno is a mountain in Huesca, Aragon, Spain ( There are several mountains/hills in Chile, Venezuela and Mexico with the name Cerro de Trueno (Thunder Hill); the one in Mexico is in the State of Veracruz, west of Chinampa de Gorostiza, I'm still looking for a European settlement date for the city, although Cortez passed through the Nahuatl city of Xalapa, Veracruz's capital, in 1519. With its proximity to the Gulf of Mexico and hefty rain, it seems likely that Chinampa de Gorostiza became desirable to Spanish colonists, who tended to name geographical features (in Spanish) or rename those (into Spanish) by folks who were already there.

Mons Tonitrus refers to Huachuca Mountains, a Chiracahua Apache word for “thunder, at which Sierra Vista and Fort Huachuca are found.

Stefan Jäger von Ansbach (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

Paly bendy sinister argent and azure, an edelweiss blossom Or.

The name was registered December 2008.

The badge incorporates elements of his registered device, Paly bendy sinister argent and azure, on a bend sinister wavy vert between two edelweiss blossoms Or three fish argent.

Thomas de Lacy (Mons Tonitrus): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A Lacy knot Or within and conjoined to a mascle of two arrows inverted and two swords vert.

The name was registered February 2002.

The client wishes to register a badge similar to that registered to his late legal/SCA father Bertand de Lacy, (Fieldless) A Lacy knot Or within and conjoined to a mascle of two arrows inverted and two arrows, points and nocks crossed vert. I will need to contact him as to whom the executor of his father's estate is, to gain permission to conflict.

The following appear in the July 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary supplied by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (AmC), ffride wlffsdotter (fw), Gunnvor silfraharr (Gs), Madog Hir of Aire Faucon, (MhoAF), Taran The Wayward (TW), and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy (MMM).

Hroc Æthelwulfes sunu (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, a mullet of four points gules fimbriated between four horse's heads couped Or, the one in sinister chief argent.

I find no conflicts. Nice name! (Gs)

No conflicts found. I am worried about the different tincture on the head in sinister chief, but a good argument was made in the thread citing SENA A3D2d ( This is a blazonable difference within the charge group. (MJoAF)
I would make a note that the fimbriation on the mullet be thicker. It's somewhat difficult to see. (TW)

I see no conflicts. The fimbriation needs to be butched up a bit. I think the odd-man-out coloration of the secondaries might need an IAP. (Gs) I think SENS A3D2d addresses this. (MMM)

The fimbriation has been redrawn to make it thicker and more obvious. (MMM)

Jacqueline de Bretaigne (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, March 2014: Azure, a pall inverted between two doves rising respectant and a sprig of lilies of the valley argent, slipped and leaved vert.

I believe we have a tincture issue regarding the Lilly of the Valley. I believe the slip and leaves are the dominant portion of this charge. (TW, MhoAF, AmC)

I find no conflicts. The flower is overwhelmingly vert and invisible against the azure field. Blazon-fu: Azure, a pall inverted between two doves rising respectant argent and a sprig of lilies of the valley slipped and leaved vert flowered argent. (Gs)

The client has been contacted and finds making the lily completely argent an acceptable change. Yay! (MMM)

Jaku'an Kakujo (Sundragon): NEW NAME CHANGE from Morgann Mac Duibh Dara, NEW DEVICE CHANGE and NEW BADGE

(device) Per pale sable and vert, a lion dormant within a torii gate argent.

(badge) Vert, a compass star of eight points argent charged with a lion dormant sable.

Device Comments: No conflict found. There is a SFPP for using a torii gate. (MhoAF, Gs)
Badge Comments: At eight points, this is going to conflict with suns anyway, call it one. (TW)
While I agree with Taran that this will conflict with suns, this really isn't fish or foul. It's not a sun, it's not a mullet, it's not a compass star. Additionally, while the example from Canada helps, I believe that's a modern motif. We can try blazoning it as a sun argent, or as the Canadian motif, but I'm worried that this may get bounced for a redraw. No conflicts found. (MhoAF)
Roundels with complex lines are banned, and this is neither star nor sun. I'd suggest it be redesigned with a sun. (Gs)
The client has asked that it be held, to consider the design further. (MMM)

Joseph Walter McFadden (Sundragon): RELEASE of NAME, DEVICE and BADGE

Ósk Álfsdóttir : New Name Change

Tomaso Floreano (Sundragon): NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Or, in bend sinister a wooden mallet bendwise inverted proper and a quill pen bendwise sinister, a bordure sable.

There was a general consensus among commenters that the sable charge is a feather, not a quill pen. I tend to lean in this direction, but I'm sending this up as originally submitted to see what Wreath, Laurel and the client himself has to say as to its blazon. (MMM)

Yvonne Le Roux (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Quarterly purpure and sable, a wolf's head erased contourny argent and on a chief Or two mullets of four points gules.

Name Comments: I find no conflicts. (Gs)

Device Comments: No conflicts found. (MhoAF)

I find no conflicts. The erasing needs to be less scalloped and more jagged, and the mullets could use some Charge Chow, so maybe an artist's note? (Gs) I think that's an excellent idea. (MMM)

The following were returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds for further consideration, June 2104:

Jaku'an Kakujo: NEW BADGE

Vert, a compass star of eight points argent charged with a lion dormant sable

See above commentary.

The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, May 2014:

Bianca Charbonneau. Name and device. Argent, an owl displayed and on a chief sable three fleurs-de-lys argent.
Denton Tanner. Name and device. Per bend argent and azure, a chamfron and a horse's head couped contourny counterchanged.
Gwyneth O Callaghan. Name.
Heinrich der Han. Name and device. Quarterly vert and sable, in chief two roosters respectant Or.
Randolph Greenwall. Name and device. Vert, a harp and on a chief embattled Or three axes palewise reversed vert.
Sandhya of Atenveldt. Holding name and device. Gyronny argent and sable, a lotus flower in profile and an orle purpure.

The following submissions were returned for further work, May 2014:

Gwyneth O Callaghan. Device.
Sandhya Kesari. Name.

Sitriuc Liathsionnach.

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