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Unto Their Royal Majesties Edward and Asa; the Honourable Lord Seamus McDaid, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is the August 2005 internal Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation for names and armory: Please have comments or questions to me, on any armorial matter, by 15 September 2005.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Consultation Table: Thanks to Lord Snorri, Twin Palms Pursuivant, and Lady Katherine, Herald for the College of Brymstone, for their invaluable assistance at Kingdom Arts and Sciences. They stuck it out for the whole event and helped a lot of folks with questions on names and potential armory (there weren’t a lot of submissions accepted at this Table, but we were always busy!). Thanks also to Lady Bertana for finding us a great location at the event.

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be Friday, 16 September, beginning at 7:30 PM. (This is the evening before the Southern Collegium, if you happen to be traveling to Tir Ysgithr/Tucson for that event. I don’t know what our hosting abilities for the evening might be for that event, but contacting ASAP might help.)

Laurel Decisions: Final outcome for submissions on the Atenveldt Letter of Intent dated 25 February 2005 appear at the end of this report.

Please consider the following submissions for the September 2005 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Abigail de Westminster (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME

The name is English. Abigail is a Biblical name, a wife of David (1 Sam 25, 27, 30; 2 Sam 2, 3); it came into English use in the 16th C. (Withycombe, 3rd edition, p. 1). Westminster is a borough of London, the name historically used to describe the area around Westminster Abbey – the West Minster, or church. The Palace of Westminster came to be the principal royal residence after the Norman Conquest of England in 1066, and later housed the developing Parliament and law courts of England ( ).

Amalie zu dem Blumen (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 2004; NEW BADGE

(device) Argent, a gurges, a base azure charged with a sprig of three carnations argent, slipped and leaved vert.

(badge) (fieldless) A gurges azure.

The name was registered December 2003.

The original device submission, Argent, a gurges azure surmounted by a carnation vert., was returned for redrawing: as drawn, the charge, while blazoned as a carnation, was indistinguishable between a lotus blossom affronty and a sun. An alternate to the fieldless badge acceptable to the client is Argent, a gurges azure.

Bree McGavin (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend argent and pupure, a cauldron sable and three hearts argent.

The documentation states that the modern form of the given name is Brígh (which, according to O Corrain and Maguire, is true; the traditional form is Bríg, and it is noted that there are 13 saints by this name p. 36). There is no indication in this citation, or in the Academy of S. Gabriel Report Archive 733 ( ) that the name was spelled Bree. Period forms for MacGavin (a variant of MacGowan) are found Black's The Surnames of Scotland. They are in the "grey" period of name acceptability, between 1600 and 1650: McGawin (1613) and M'Gawyne (1643). This particular spelling has been registered as recently as February 2005 to Dante McGavin. The client is most interested in the sound of the name. She will not accept major changes to the name.

Damian Silberberg (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale Or and gules, two German wings conjoined and upraised with wsords crossed in saltire counterchanged.

Damian is an English masculine given name dated to 1205 in Withycombe, used for several centuries after the attested date (3rd ed., p. 78, s.n. Damian). Silberberg, “Silver Mountain,” is a German locative byname, dated to 1390 in Brechenmacker as <Cunrat zem Silberberg> in Frieburg. The client is most interested in the meaning of the byname and will not accept major changes.

Geirríðr in víðfgrla (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Pily barry bendy sinister Or and gules and sable.

The name is Old Norse. Geirríðr is a feminine given name found in The Old Norse Name, Geirr-Bassi Haraldsson, p. 10. The same source shows the masculine nickname inn víðgrli, “far-traveled” (p. 29). This is likely the accurate feminization of that byname. The client interested in the meaning of the name.

This is a Pennsic submission. I can’t make heads or tails of the proposed blazon. I’d tend to go with Bendy sinister Or and gules, three piles issuant from sinister sable. (I guess I can see it as Pily bendy sinister Or and gules, and sable.)

Mikel of Perth (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a lion rampant sable, on a chief embattled azure four arrows sable (or argent).

The client is most interested in the sound of the name and it being authentic for c. 1400 eastern Scotland/Perth. He will not accept major changes to the name. For this desire to be authentic, the documentation for the given name spelling is from Paul Goldschmidt’s period Russian name source, and a non-approved name source that evidently shows Mikel as a Basque form and Mikkel as a Scandnavian form 1200-late 1500s; no photocopies of this source were included. Another non-approved name source (again, no photocopies included to demonstrate the information in the book) show a number of “close” spellings from a document of 147 Yiddish personal names, none of them actually spelled as Mikel. No documentation was cited (no books, no URLs) for the byname.

This is precisely how the device submission came to me, with the note that the arrows can be argent. Since the current forms have sable arrows on an azure chief, they obviously will have to be argent (barring conflict), and it’s not my job to redraw the forms to reflect this change! To those heralds who check for conflict, please assume that the arrows are argent. I seriously doubt that as rendered, the arrows are in a blazonable orientation anyway. At the very least, correctly-drawn submission forms should have been provided by the local herald (and in turn, provided to the local herald by the client).

Rivka Bat Yehudah (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, a chevron rompu between two wolves’ heads couped respectant and a feather argent.

The name is Hebrew. Rivka is a feminine given name, the wife of Isaac (a Biblical citation would be nice). However, it can be found in “Jewish Women's Names in an Arab Context: Names from the Geniza of Cairo,” Juliana de Luna ( ). Yehudah of Nuremberg is the registered SCA name (August 1988) of her legal father. Jehudah is found in “Names of Jews in Rome In the 1550's,” Yehoshua ben Haim haYerushalmi ( ).

Sundragon, Barony of: BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2002

Per fess argent and azure, a rainbow a rainbow gules, argent, azure, Or and purpure, clouded argent, and an acorn Or.

The name was registered September 1984.

The original submission, (Fieldless) A rainbow gules, argent, azure, Or and purpure clouded azure surmounted by an acorn proper., was returned because the acorn lay almost entirely on the underlying rainbow. Overall charges on fieldless badges should have a very small area of overlap with the underlying charge. It was returned for redesign. The rainbow used is as it appears on another badge registered to the barony: a rainbow gules, argent, azure, Or and purpure, clouded argent. As it stands, the clouds disappear into the field. My suggestion would be to use the rainbow that appears on the barony’s arms, which are identical in color bands but which use azure clouds.

Sundragon, Barony of: BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2002

Argent, a fess azure between a rainbow a rainbow gules, argent, azure, Or and purpure, clouded argent, and a heart gules.

The name was registered September 1984.

The original submission, (Fieldless) A rainbow gules, argent, azure, Or and purpure, clouded azure surmounted by a heart gules., was returned because the heast lay almost entirely on the underlying rainbow. Overall charges on fieldless badges should have a very small area of overlap with the underlying charge. This was returned for redesign. The rainbow used is as it appears on another badge registered to the barony: a rainbow gules, argent, azure, Or and purpure, clouded argent. As it stands, the clouds disappear into the field. My suggestion would be to use the rainbow that appears on the barony’s arms, which are identical in color bands but which use azure clouds.

Are either of these badges to be associated with any of the Order names already registered to the Barony of Sundragon? If so, it would be good to include this information for the College of Arms. It also helps me immeasurably if the date of the return of the original submission is included on the submissions forms; I have to dredge this up for the Letters of Intent, and if I can get a hand with it, it helps.

Sundragon, Barony of: NEW BADGE

Gules, a dragon segreant contourny and a bordure indented argent.

The name was registered September 1984.

The following appear in the August 2005 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

This month’s commentary is provided by Helena de Argentoune [HdA], Katherine Throckmorton [KT], Maridonna Benvenuti [MB], Snorri Bjarnarson [SB], and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].

Ailleann Mac Quinn (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE: Argent, a dragon statant contourny vert breathing flames proper, in chief two hearts gules.

Áine inghean uí Ghríobhtha (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2002: Per bend azure and vert, a bend between four crescents conjoined in cross at the points and a cross clechy argent.

Áine O’Shaughnessy (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a tree couped between two brown dogs couchant respectant proper.

Good name! [KT]

While having brown dogs proper or a tree proper is acceptable* it would combining the two particularly as they are the only charges would seem to violate Rule VIII.4c.**

*PRECEDENT: Henceforward, and more in line with period heraldic practice, animals which are normally brown may be registered simply as an {X} proper (e.g., boar proper, hare proper). Animals which are frequently found as brown but also commonly appear in other tinctures in the natural world may be registered as a brown {X} proper (e.g., brown hound proper, brown horse proper). (CL 10/95)

**Rules VIII.4c. Natural Depiction -- Excessively naturalistic use of otherwise acceptable charges may not be registered.

“Excessively natural designs include those that depict animate objects in unheraldic postures, use several charges in their natural forms when heraldic equivalents exist, or overuse proper. Proper is allowed for natural flora and fauna when there is a widely understood default coloration for the charge so specified...” [SB] All charges used here are proper, which would seem to violate the idea of overusing proper; then again, it seems that a tree is often depicted in armory in its proper state (brown trunk, green canopy) without being thought of as such. This is a very intriguing question that Snorri has raised (Symond and I got into rather a heated discussion of it!), and I’m really sitting on the fence with this; I intend to send this on and hear what the opinions of the rest of the College are. [MMM]

Alena Premyslovna (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, a triskelion and on a chief Or, three gillyflowers gules.

I’d be more comfortable if the given name could be firmly documented to the SCA period. The byname looks ok, and the name is certainly registerable as it stands. [KT]


Currently-registered device: Gules, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief argent and on a chief Or three fleurs-de-lys azure.

Currently-registered badge: Gules, a seeblatt and a chief doubly enarched Or.

The name was registered February 2000.

The lady requests that her device, registered in February 2002, become a badge, and that the badge, registered in October 2002, replace it as her device.

Arsenda of Calais (Windale): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, May 2004: Per chevron vert and azure, two estoiles and a winged scarab argent.

Atenveldt, Kingdom of: DESIGNATION OF REGISTERED HERALDIC TITLE, “Sunburst Herald”

The name was registered to the Kingdom in June 1992. It is requested that the title be slightly altered to Sunburst Pursuivant and assigned for the use of the baronial Pursuivant for the Barony of Ered Sûl, the branch name registered in March 1998. A previous heraldic title submission for the baronial heraldic office, Paramount Pursuivant, was returned in July 1999 for conflict with Paramount Pictures, which the College of Arms felt is a non-SCA name important enough to protect. There was also no evidence presented for the use of adjectives in period heraldic titles.

Brian Sigfridsson von Niedersachsen (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, August 2004: Per bend bendy argent and azure, and azure, in base three mullets of six points in bend Or.

I’m going to reblazon this to match the client’s emblazon; since the field in chief is not actually a field, with an equal number of argent and azure bands, it is more accurate to blazon this as Per bend argent and azure, two bendlets (enhanced?) azure and three mullets of six points in bend Or. At least I think it’s more accurate! [MMM]

Cecilia Mowebray (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME CHANGE from Cecilia Kandzierzawa and NEW DEVICE CHANGE

Azure, two swans rousant respectant and in chief a mullet of four points argent.

The currently-held name was registered February 2001, as was the currently-registered device, Azure, a swan rousant contourny wings elevated, inverted and addorsed argent maintaining a lute Or, a bordure ermine. If the new name and device submissions are registered, those currently held are both released.

Cecilia is an English feminine given name, found with this spelling from 1197 through 1428 (Withycombe, 3rd edition, pp. 60-1). Mowebray is found in York Bridgemasters’ Accounts, Occupations and Persons ( ). The client is most interested in the sound of the name.

Cerdic Logan of Anglesey (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, a chevron between four triskeles three and one argent.

Emma Rose Sinclaire (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per saltire argent and vert, two equal-armed Celtic crosses flory vert.

The name is English. Emma is a feminine given name, first seen c. 1183 and popular as a Norman name for several centuries (Withycombe, 3rd edition, p. 103). Rose is a feminine given name; this spelling is seen c. 1316 (ibid, p. 258). Sinclaire is an undated spelling of the English surname Sinclair brought by the Normans into England (Reaney and Wilson, 2nd edition, p. 411, s.n. Sinclair). The client is most interested in the sound of the name and will not accept major changes.

Grianne the Red (Windale): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend sinister sable and gules, in fess a cinquefoil between an enfield and a wolf combatant.

I’m somewhat concerned that the combination of the name and byname might be considered too evocative of the famous pirate Grainne, who is often described/depicted as having red hair. I don’t think that presumption should be an issue in this case, but it may be a judgement call for Laurel.

Regarding the device, I’m not sure that there is a big enough difference between an enfield and a wolf. The lower part is the same, and there isn’t a huge difference between a fox and a wolf head. The only major difference is the fore-limbs, and that really isn’t enough to avoid confusion. Also, the tincture of the charges is missing. [KT]

This device is a beautiful example of "slot machine" heraldry. It is also a lovely design. If the submitter would be amenable to changing the design to have either two enfield OR two wolves combattant, then it would be more than acceptable, assuming that there are no conflicts. [HdA]

The charges are all argent. Having contacted the client, she notes that the name spelling was in error, and it should be Grainne. She’s adjusted the charges so that the beasts are the primary charges, and she’s using two enfields rather than an enfield and a wolf, solving issues of slot machine heraldry and the “sword and dagger” issue. Hence, her device submission is Per bend sinister sable and gules, between two enfields combattant a cinquefoil argent. [MMM]

Gregory of Sherwood (Sundragon): NEW NAME

Jauhara al-Shaqra (Tir Ysgithr): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME, “Kathy of Tir Ysgithr,” from Laurel, August 2003

I can’t find this transliteration of the name, however the spelling <Jawhara> can be found in Julina de Luna’s article “Jewish Women's Names in an Arab Context: Names from the Geniza of Cairo” ( ). de Luna notes that although these names appear as the names of Jewish women that they appear to be typical (for the most part) of names used by non-Jewish women in this time and place. The question of which transliteration system to use would seem to be of no particular moment in this case. [KT] Yay, Katherine! [MMM]

Lloyd Akess (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Gules, a frog and a base all within a bordure argent.

Barring documentation for the <Lloyd> spelling in period, my guess is that previous registrations were based on the undated citation in Withycombe, and/or the mundane name allowance. The only recent registrations are for the <Lloid> spelling. I’d suggest changing the spelling to the documentable <Lloid>, which shouldn’t affect the pronunciation at all. I can’t find anything firm, but based on recent returns I think that the base and the bordure of the same color is likely to be returned for lack of contrast. Barring conflict, I’d suggest dropping one or the other. [KT]

“Although it is certainly possible to construct abstract shapes by combining various ordinaries, as has been done here, the blazon is usually confusing and the overall effect non-heraldic. [The submission was returned.] [BoE, 28 Sep 84, p.17]” [SB] I think this precedent was more or less upheld with the return of a badge from the Barony of Sundragon in April 2004, Per fess azure and gules, four wolves' teeth issuant from sinister all within a bordure Or., “Nobody present at the Wreath meeting was able to identify this as a combination of wolves' teeth and a bordure...Most of the commentary on this submission concerned identifiability problems as well. Using a combination of one peripheral charge issuant from another peripheral charge, especially of the same tincture, is something that will require extreme care to maintain identifiability.” (The Sundragon badge was resubmitted using different tinctures for the wolves’ teeth and the bordure and was registered without comment; I think this submission needs to follow in that direction.) [MMM]

Having contacted the client, he is amenable to changing the bordure to Or, and in fact likes that appearance more than the argent bordure in his original submission (hence, Gules, a frog and a base argent all within a bordure Or.). As far as his name, he would prefer the Welsh masculine name Llwyd but thought that Lloyd would help with the overall registration of the name/device combination ( mentioned before, a name combining Welsh and English components is acceptable). Again, Talan’s article on Late 16th C. Welsh names demonstrates Lloid as the English form of the Welsh Llwyd, which is usually a byname, but can stand as a given name. [MMM]

Lucius Evangelista (Windale) NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, a double-headed eagle sable, on a chief gules two scorpions fesswise respectant Or.

Although the use of Lucius by Popes is a bit of a special case, this name is probably registerable as it stands. However the name could be improved by going with one of the documented Italian forms of the name. [KT]

Helena De Argentoune’s commentary: This device definitely tests my skills at "differencing," leaving them somewhat wanting. Due to the choice of tinctures (especially for the double-headed eagle), it comes up against several devices: Holy Roman Empire: Or, a double-headed eagle displayed sable (sometimes crowned, sometimes also nimbed Or). I suspect that the addition of the chief along with the scorpions gives two points of difference. (Yes, it does; a charged chief yields 2 CDs [MMM]) Infimus Mons Aureus, Stronghold: Or, a double-headed eagle displayed sable, on a chief vert three laurel wreaths Or Again two points of difference? (1 CD for the tincture of the chief and 1 CD for cumulative difference of the tertiary groups (two scorpions vs. three wreaths [MMM])); Mikhail Reubenovic: Per pale sable and Or, a double-headed eagle displayed counterchanged, a chief embattled gules. Is there sufficient difference here? I'm not sure how to count it....the symbols on the chief are different, but the chief color is the same. (There is 1 CD for complex line of division on Lucius’ chief and 1 CD for the addition of the scorpions. Clear. [MMM]) In other words, this is a beautiful device. Simple and lovely, my skills are such that I cannot find anything overtly "wrong" with it, but, in the words of a good friend, "it just makes me itch!"

Macsen Maelgwn (Sundragon): NEW NAME CHANGE from William Hazell

The name is Welsh. Macsen is a masculine Welsh given name; Macsen Wledig was a Roman leader who united the Welsh nation (p. 70, Enwau Cymraeg i Blant/Welsh Names for Children, 3rd printing, Ruth Stephens, Y Lofla, 1975). He was Spanish-born Magnus Maximus, who served with Theodosius in the British wars ( ). Maelgwn is also a masculine Welsh given name; Maelgwn Gwynedd was a 6th C. chieftain (p. 71, Stephens). Both have been registered multiple time as a Welsh given name and patronymic. The name follows the Welsh construction of a <given name> + <patronymic name>, an unmodified given name, seen in “ Late Sixteenth Century Welsh Names,” Talan Gwynek ( ). [MMM]

The client is a resident of Sundragon, not Brymstone College.

Malcolm the Bold (Windale): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, September 2004: Per pale sable and argent, two talbots sejant respectant counterchanged and a fox’s mask azure.

Given the recent registration of Wesley the Silent, this name, while not the best piece of recreation is very likely to be registerable. [KT]

Maria Angela il drago blu da Firenze (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, a demi-dragon contourny maintaining in its sinister claw a bow and in its dexter claw two arrows azure, a bordure embattled gules.

Based on the documentation provided, and on what I could find, I don’t think that <il drago blu> is a particularly likely byname. The submittor might be interested in the surname <Dragonetti>. Alternatively <Maria Angela da Firenze> is a lovely Italian name. [KT]

I belive that the name phrase as is is not an authentic Italian name. To my recollection I have never seen a descriptive byname of qualities in two words so far. There are anatomical descriptive bynames like the famous Barbarossa. Here are a few names found in a list of Heads of Households in 1480 Palermo, Sicily that are not rude or too rude. The source is Palermo Nel 1480, La Poplazione Del Quartiere Della Kalsa , by Armando Di Pasquale, Palermo edizioni Mori, 1975. I am working on this info for an article, but now that I am a group herald again, work on it has ground to a halt: Narda la Mammana (occupation - midwife); Margarita la Nanna (the grandmother); Janna la Uchella (possibly the Tuscan word for little bird); Antona la Carduna (Sicilian carduni is thistle); Garita la Gaudella (Sic. gaudiu:joy, gladness, mirth; gaudiusu:joy); Catherina la Finistrella (little window); Garita la Custerera (seamstress); Constanza la Cursella (possibly sulky, surly, frowning). I think <Maria Angela la draga> would be registerable even though the examples I have given only have one given name. I don't know if that changes the authenticity or not. <Maria Angela Surname (possibly Dragonetti to keep a dragon in there?) da Firenza> is good if she would accept such drastic changes. Dragonetti is found in the Florentine Catasto list of surnames. I guess that all name elements are in the De Felice books. [MB]

I’ve contacted the client, and she asks that the byname be dropped; as long as there is a blue dragon in her armory, she’s fine with it. [MMM]

Michael of Kilkenny (Atenveldt): NEW NAME

Nikolaus von Erlach (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE: Checky gules ermined argent and argent, a unicorn rampant sable.

Having had the client contact me (he saw my commentary about likely conflicts, and there are conflicts), he agrees to add a base sable to clear them; hence, Checky gules ermined argent and argent, a unicorn rampant and a base sable. [MMM]

Reina Vidales de Tarrgona (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE: Per pales gules and Or, a lymphad between three mullets of six points, a bordure all counterchanged.

Am I correct that more than 50% of the field has to be a different tincture for a CD? In the case below the sides are flipped, how does this stand for CDs? Plenty of CDs otherwise, but I would like to know. [SB] Per pale gules and Or... has one CD from Per pale sable and Or.... (50% of the field tincture has been changed.) Per pale gules and Or... has one CD from Per pale Or and gules... (*same* tinctures are used, but they have different positions on the field). (Snorri’s great: he asks questions!) [MMM]

Considering Rúadhán of Thor's Mountain: Per pale Or and sable, a lymphad between three anchors counterchanged and on a chief embattled vert three harps Or., there is 1 CD for field differences, 1 CD for secondary group charge types (in addition to difference for tincture of the bordure). It does have a similar feels to Reina’s design, but it is clear.

Considering Tommaso di Amalfi: Sable, a lateen-rigged lymphad under sail to sinister Or between three mullets of eight points argent., there is 1 CD for the field, 1 CD for the tincture of the primary charge (also note the orientation difference of the ship), and 1 CD for the addition of the bordure. Clear.

This is the one closest: Alain Longship: Per pale gules and Or, a drakkar between three lozenges counterchanged. There is 1 CD for changing type of the peripheral charges and 1 CD for the addition of the bordure.

Reinhardt Rebil (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, two ravens rising repectant sable and a heart gules, a bordure sable.

I’m not sure how to count the CDs on this, I believe there are enough. Technically I guess the heart and the bordure should give a CD each, but if anything the bordure makes the two look even move similar. Aarnimetsä, Barony of: Per pale Or and sable, two ravens rising respectant wings elevated counterchanged. [SB] There is 1 CD for field (solid vs. per pale), 1 CD for tinctures of the primary group (and probably a CD for differences in the primary group since Reinhardt’s heart is a co-primary), and a CD for the addition of the bordure. [MMM]

Shalon MacNeil (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, June 2005: Argent, semy of annulet sable, a bordure per pale purpure and azure.

Given that the names in the Jewish article appear to be fairly heavily Italianized, I think that a case could be made for considering them Italian rather than Hebrew for the sake of counting lingual weirdness. This should make the name (barely) registerable. [KT]

Simon de Rouen (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

Good name! [KT]

Sorcha O’Gara (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

Twin Moons, Barony of: NEW BADGE: Azure, on a pall inverted bretessed argent, three rapiers points to center and conjoined sable.

Azure, a pall inverted bretessed argent... is a design motif that figures prominently in most of Twin Moons’ armories. [MMM]

Uther the Dark (Windale): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend azure and sable, a bear rampant and three axes argent.

Walrick de Blakeney (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME CHANGE from Walrick of Canterbury

The currently-registered name was registered December 1996. This name should be released if the new name changed is registered.

de Blakeney is found as an English surname in “The Men Behind the Masque: Office-holding in East Anglian boroughs, 1272-1460" ( ); a William de Blakeney is documented c. 1319-20. The client is most interested in the sound of the name.

Wilhelm Gebauer Von Stadt Könisberg (Tir Ysgithr): NAME RESUBMISSION from Laurel, August 2004

Zephyr Evanevich Zvyerobai (Ered Sul): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess Or and sable, two handprints gules and a satyr affronty maintaining a cup bendwise inverted Or.

The name appears to be correctly constructed. I suspect that the patronymic should be Evanovich or Evanivich, but I will leave that to people better versed in Russian naming than I. Wickenden doesn’t list <Zevyerobai>, but he does list <Zevr’> glossed as meaning “beast”; so the byname is likely to be correct. Of more concern is the given name. Although it is registerable under the legal name allowance, it using it makes an otherwise fine name into a name that is registerable, but not the best piece of recreation. If the gentleman is interested, he might consider either <Zep> in 1381, <Zev> in 1139, or <Zevr’> in 1545, all three of which have sounds not unlike <Zephyr>. [KT]

Regarding the choice of name, I see no issue with the use of "Zephyr," it is his name after all. I see no problem with using "Evanevich Zvyerobai" as a patronymic, the documentation is provided. However, doesn't using the two of them together violate a naming rule against mixing cultures/languages? That is, is there documentation provided that supports Greeks going to Slovakia or Slovaks going to Greece? Since the submitter wants a period Slovakian male name, would he accept "Evan Zvyerobai" as a registered name and be known as "Evan Zvyerobai called 'Zephyr'" for daily use and awards? [HdA] (The Slavs were very much influenced by the advent of the Byzantine Orthodox Church, which came into the region over 1000 years ago; there are hundreds of Greek-based names that are now considered traditional Russian/Slavic names. [MMM])

Regarding his device, it's pretty cool! The satyr looks like he's performing a traditional Russian dance!!! However, I'm not convinced that the position as drawn can be reproduced from the blazon. Satyrs are usually drawn with their legs stretched out and this satyr's are bunched underneath him. (AND his "naughty bits would be showing! Perhaps the satyr needs some "shorts" or a wrap to keep him "decent"). There is also no description indicating that the satyr's arm is bent back towards his head. From the blazon, the cup could just as easily be drawn held in an outstretched arm would would not accurately reproduce the position of the drawn figure. Oh, and the left hand is in a fist. This is also not reflected in the blazon. Perhaps description of the leg, arm position, and fist, should be added? If the blazon could be modified to more accurately reflect the emblazon, this would be a cool device to see around an event![HdA] Adequately blazoning the posture of a human figure, or a partly-human monster, is always a pitfall in armory; even the simplest posture usually requires a long, often bulky blazon. While I tend to overblazon, here I’m underblazoning the charge just because I think it would get out of hand very quickly. I’m sure the CoA will make amends if it is seen fit. (And what’s all this about a “decent” satyr? Mine isn’t! :) I’m still more hinky about the handprints rather than using hands, which are documented heraldic charges. [MMM]

The following are returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds for further work, August 2005:

Colyn MacRuairidh of Rathlin (Londinium): NEW BADGE: Vert, a beehive argent.

Wow! This is clear. And they say simple armory can’t be done! [KT]

RETURNED for nonpayment of submission fee.

Domingo Diaz de la Vega y Martin (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE: Quarterly sable and Or, in chief an escallop Or and a cross of Santiago gules.

Snorri’s commentary: This appears to pretty clearly run afoul of ruling XI.3. Precedents on this has not changed since 1996. The simplest correction for this would be to either balance the quarters or use a complex line of division on the pale division at least. My personal preference would be for the former as the whole device seems to be off balance to me.

As for your query, under the current I believe this would still be considered unregisterable. Precedents are clear (see below) that a counter changed border is not sufficient to rule out marshalling. I would assume what is true for one peripheral ordinary is the same for the other.

[returning Per pale sable and ermine, in canton a domestic cat's face argent, a bordure counterchanged argent and sable.]  This falls afoul of RfS XI.3., which states that "Armory that appears to marshall independent arms is considered presumptuous." The rule goes on to note that such marshalled fields "may be used with identical charges over the entire field, or with complex lines of partition or charges overall that were not used for marshalling in period heraldry." The use of a counterchanged bordure here is not used in the usual way of an overall charge (indeed, bordures were, and are, used in a number of countries for cadencing), and serves in no way to lessen the appearance of marshalling. Indeed, the fact that the bordure is not counterchanged of the field only serves to accent the appearance of the dimidiation of two independent coats, Sable, in chief two cat's faces, a bordure argent and Ermine, a bordure sable. (Yves le Chat Blanc, 06/96 p. 13)

I only include the blazon below as it it appears to be the closest to conflict that I found: Esteban Vicente Manrique de Santiago: Sable semy of escallops Or, a cross of Santiago argent.

Precedents cited below reference the crosses which conflict with the cross of Santiago:

[a Latin cross flory vs a cross of Santiago] There is nothing for the difference between a cross of Santiago and a Latin cross flory. (Bruinneach nic Thighearnain;09/96 p. 18)

[a cross flory vs a cross of Santiago] This conflicts with ... the only CD for fieldlessness. (Balian of Boxgrove Hall,12/97 p. 9)

A cross patonce and a cross of Santiago are both considered artistic variants of a cross flory; therefore, there is no CD for a cross patonce versus a cross of Santiago. [Caitlin Davies, 03/01, R-East]

Katherine’s commentary: Not only does this look like marshalling, it *is* marshalling. Brickbat’s suggested redesign might work, although I’m somewhat concerned about the lack of period exemplars. They might consider using a per saltire field, perhaps Per saltire Or and Sable, an escallop (or perhaps 2 escallops) Or and a cross of Santiago (or perhaps 2 crosses of Santiago) gules.

A check of the online Ordinary for the alternative of using a counterchanged chief ... on a chief per pale X and Y, two dissimilar charges tinctures Y and Z. shows no designs of that construct. [MMM]

RETURNED for appearance of marshalling.

Sorcha O’Gara: NEW DEVICE

Per pale purpure and argent, a triquetra counterchanged.

This didn’t make it onto a July LoP (lost amid other paperwork), so I only found it as I started processing submissions for the LoI. Unfortunately, it is in conflict with Serena della Francesca: Per pale purpure and argent a triquetra and a chief doubly enarched ermined all counterchanged. There is only 1 CD for the removal of the chief.

RETURNED for conflict.

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, June 2005:

Amalric d'Acre. Badge. (Fieldless) A rat sejant erect sustaining a roundel sable.

Cionáoth Óg. Name and device. Or, a hulk sable, a chief wavy sable bezanty.

Submitted as Cied Óg, the submitter requested authenticity for Irish language/culture and desired a name using the byname Óg. Cináed is Middle Irish and Óg is Early Modern Irish, so to fulfill the submitter's requests, the given name must be changed to an Early Modern Irish form. Cionáoth is dated to 1260 in Annals of the Four Masters. We have changed the name to Ciooth Óg to comply with his request for authenticity.

Elizabeth M'Kena O'Bannon. Name change from Elizabeth Mac Kenna Mac Gavin.

Her old name, Elizabeth Mac Kenna Mac Gavin, is retained as an alternate name.

Elizabeth M'Kena O'Bannon and Dante McGavin. Joint badge. Per saltire purpure and azure, an anchor between four skulls argent.

Elizabeth M'Kena O'Bannon and Dante McGavin. Joint badge. Per bend azure and sable, a sun Or and a sword argent.

Eva die Wölfen. Name and device. Or, a wolf rampant gules and on a chief nebuly azure a butterfly argent.

Katrina von Rosenberg. Name change from holding name Katrina of Atenveldt.

Lefled Willoughby. Reblazon of device. Lozengy argent and sable, on a pile vert a weeping willow tree eradicated Or.

Originally blazoned as Lozengy argent and sable, on a pile vert a willow tree eradicated Or, the emblazon shows a weeping willow.

Lucrezia di Bartolomeo. Badge. Purpure, on a heart Or, a double-horned hennin gules, trimmed argent, a bordure Or.

While we would prefer a better depiction of a hennin, the submitter has followed the instructions provided by Laurel in the previous return in order to make the charge more identifiable. While many of those asked did not identify the charge as a hennin, most did identify it as a hat of some type. This is sufficient to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt and register this depiction of a hennin. A hennin may be drawn with or without a veil; as long as identifiability is maintained. There is no difference for the presence of the veiling.

Sancha Galindo de Toledo. Exchange of primary and alternate name Tatiana Laski Krakowska and device. Azure, an owl contourny Or between in cross four mullets and in saltire four roundels argent.

The submitter's registered alternate name, Sancha Galindo de Toledo, is now her primary name. The submitter's registered primary name, Tatiana Laski Krakowska, is now her alternate name.

Willow Jeanette O'Malley. Reblazon of device. Ermine, a weeping willow tree couped proper between flaunches sable, each charged with a fleur-de-lys Or.

Originally blazoned as Ermine, a willow tree couped proper between flaunches sable, each charged with a fleur-de-lys Or, the emblazon shows a weeping willow.


The following submissions have been returned for further work, June 2005: None!



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