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25 August 2003, A.S. XXXVIII

Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Erick and Nichelle; Mistress Magdelen Venturosa, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the August 2003 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry: Please have comments or questions to me, on any armorial matter, by 15 September 2003.

To the local heralds in the Kingdom of Atenveldt: the vast majority of input that I've been receiving on the past three months' submissions have been from heralds outside of the kingdom (and they're accomplished heralds in their own rights). I started this month-delay of submissions for commentary so that heralds within the kingdom who want to learn and improve their armorial skills have the opportunity to do so with actual submissions. The response to this, however, has been nearly non-existent. I know folks are busy, and those with less expertise can be intimidated by others' comments ("I can't offer any constructive comments"-that's very untrue), but not hearing from folks within the kingdom is frustrating (not interested? well, I can't do anything about that; already well-versed in armory and onomastics?-hmmm, those who do comment seem to find a lot to comment upon; the internal letters of intent are too difficult to read or understand?-at least I can try to resolve some of this). I would like to see a little more effort in responding to these letters-even a "Hey, I can't manage to sit down this month and look this over." is beginning to look pretty good to me now! Learning from the submissions here will honest-to-gosh help you in your ability to consult with your populace, learning what practices should be advocated and which should be avoided; doodling around with the Ordinary will make you more adept at finding potential and real conflicts. Even if what you might consider a conflict isn't one, I try to explain why it isn't. You'll be amazed at what you'll be able to retain for future reference.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Consultation Table: The Table run at Kingdom Arts was well-attended. More submissions than I had thought would be submitted were. Again, Thanks to the autocrats of the Arts and Sciences competition for providing space and furniture for the Consultation Table, and especially to the good lord Martin Wainwright, who not only got us up and running on the internet so that we could conflict check and name consult in style, but who also spent several hours at the Consultation Table helping with consultation.

Heraldry Hut: This is my monthly meeting. We usually meet on the third Friday of the month, beginning at 7:30 PM. We were very fortunate to have Pani Stefania Krakowska, the herald of Iron Wood Loch, travel alllllllll the way from the western ends of the kingdom to the August meeting! We talked heraldry, we ate, we drank krupnik, we had fun. At this time, there will not be a Heraldry Hut in September.

Please consider for the September 2003 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Angus MacGregor of Argyll (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSIONS from Kingdom, October 2001

Azure semy of annulets, on a bend sinister Or three bulls heads cabossed palewise azure.

The original name submission, Angus MacGregor, was in direct conflict with Angus MacGregor, registered in May 1992. Adding the locative clears the conflict.

The original device submission, Azure, on a bend sinister Or three bull's heads cabossed palewise azure. was returned for conflict with

Richard Andreivitch of Rus (Azure, on a bend sinister Or an estoile sable.), Denis Flaxenhelm (Azure, on a bend sinister Or, a goblet upright sable.), and Katerina Arondel (Azure, on a bend sinister cotissed Or three swallows volant fesswise, wings elevated and addorsed, azure.)

Anna Carye (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, June 2003

Per chevron azure and gules, on a pall inverted engrailed between two natural dolphins haurient embowed and a lighthouse argent, six escallops gules.

The name was registered May 2003.

The previous submission was returned for conflict; this is a complete redesign.

Cecily d'Abernon (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE

The name was registered July 2002.

Azure, on a pale between two turtles argent, three damask roses proper, slipped and leaved vert.

Corwin de Harfleur (Atenveldt): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 1997.

Azure, five annulets interlaced in saltire, a bordure argent.

The name was registered October 1987 (note that this is the registered form, not what appeared on the submission forms).

The original submission Azure, five annulets interlaced in saltire argent., was returned for conflict with Bowen (important non-SCA badge), (tinctureless) A Bowen knot., only 1 CD for change to the field. The bordure is too thin; barring conflict, this will have to be redrawn before it is sent on for final consideration, as this will be returned by the College of Arms for this very reason.

Fáelán Cameron (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSIONS from Kingdom, June 2003

Per bend sinister azure and vert, semy of pawprints Or, in dexter chief a wolf's head Or.

The original name, Cameron De Lockwolf was returned for Cameron, a surname, being used as a given name and problems with the construction of the locative.

Fáelán is a masculine Irish given name, meaning "wolf" (pp. 92-3, Ó Corráin and Maguire). Cameron is the name of a Scottish clan, with the Gaelic form-the two not related-being Camshrón, a descriptive, "crooked nose" (p. 35, MacLysaght). See the June 2003 Atenveldt internal LoI for a full accounting of the original of Cameron. While I believe that this name is acceptable, it might end up losing the diacritical marks seen in the first name if the spelling Cameron is maintained.

This is a complete redesign of the original device; that was returned for conflict.

Jens Sveinsson (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, May 2003

Argent, a merman proper crined sable maintaining in his sinister hand a torch sable, enflamed azure, on a bordure engrailed vert three escallops argent.

The name was registered May 2003.

The original submission, Argent, a merman proper crined sable maintaining in his sinister hand an open book argent fimbriated gules all within a bordure engrailed vert semy of escallops argent., was returned for the bordure engrailings being too numerous and too shallow for easy identifiability, and the near invisible fimbriation/binding of the book. Some redesign has solved these problems.

Jonathon von Trotha (Atenveldt): NEW BADGE SUBMISSION, jointly held with Deille of Farnham, for County Astrum Aureum

Per pale sable and gules, a compass star throughout Or.

The personal names were registered June 1995 and July 1999, respectively. The county accolade was presented in May 2003.

The household name is Latin, "Golden Star." "English Sign Names," Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( )-shows period inn signs using an adjective + noun construction (Grayhorse, Whitehors, Black Boye) The submitters state that it is acceptable to translate County into Latin and or to replace it with House (first preference) or Company (second preference) if County cannot be registered. I did some digging about, and for the life of me, I can't determine whether "titled houses" like County, Duchy, and Viscounty can be registered (the lack of any of these coming up in the online A&O makes me think they can't be, so House might be the best alternative).

Mariana Vivia de Santiago (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, March 2002

Argent, a heart sable winged gules within a bordure embattled azure.

The original name submission, Mariana Vivia de Santiago de Compestella, was altered as no documentation was provided and none was found for Vivia as a feminine given name, and that no documentation was presented, nor could the College of Arms find any, that de Santiago de Compostela was used in a locative byname. "People from Santiago de Compostela were known as de Santiago." [Livia Teresa de Compostela, 09/99, R-Atlantia]

The submitter cites Vivia as appearing in Apellidos Castellano Leoneses, p. 91. However, no photocopies of this resource were included in the submission packet. And although this work is cited in "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century" ( ), I can't find it in that source.

The original submission, Azure, a heart gules winged argent., was returned for poor contrast of the gules heart against the azure field. This resolves that issue.

Nicholas Fletcher of Canterbury (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, February 2003

Azure ermined argent, a greyhound courant, on a chief Or an arrow reversed gules.

The name was registered May 2003.

The original submission was returned for tincture violation and design problems (too many, small ermine spots, and the dog in a nonstandard posture); all of these have been resolved.

Takezo Miyamoto (Atenveldt): NEW NAME

The name is Japanese. The family name Miyamoto should precede the given name, hence Miyamoto Takezo. Both elements are found in Musashi, by Eiji Yoshikawa, which chronicles the life of a late 16th C. Samurai, Miyamoto Musashi. However, this individual's given birth name appears to be Takezo, and Miyamoto Musashi was given to him upon the completion of his training. As this is one and the same person, this is a presumptous name. "Japanese Formal Masculine Given Names," Solveig Throndardottir and the Academy of Saint Gabriel ( ) provides a long list of given names that the submitter might wish to consider (please be aware that those that sound too close to Takezo could also be returned for presumption).

Tatiana Laski Krakowska (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE and NEW ALTERNATE NAME, Sancha Galindo de Toledo

Quarterly argent and azure, two hedgehogs statant contourny proper and two mullets argent.

The submitter's primary name was registered September 2000.

The alternate name is Spanish. Sancha is a feminine given name found in "Cordobese names of the 15th century"

( ). Galindo is a patronymic surname found in "Spanish Names from the Late 15th Century," Juliana de Luna ( ). de Toledo is a locative byname also found in Juliana's paper ( ). Kudos to the submitter for finding her own documentation!

The following are included in the August 2003 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (note potentially new commentary):

[This month's commentary is provided by Knute Hvitabjörn (Midrealm) [KH] and folks attending the July meeting of Heraldry Hut. Brickbat's specific comments are noted as [MMM].]

Aaron Graves (Atenveldt): NEW BADGE, jointly held with Alessandra Gabrielli

(fieldless) A ram statant gules, armed, unguled and gorged of a ducal coronet Or.

Aliannsa Ó Rioghbhardáin (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per fess azure and vert, a roundel between in pale two natural dolphins naiant in annulo argent.

An alternate blazon: Per fess azure and vert, in pale a roundel between two natural dolphins naiant in annulo argent. If the following, Christopher the Young: Argent, on a pile wavy azure three dolphins naiant in pale argent., is considered as Per chevron inverted wavy azure and argent, three dolphins naiant in pale argent., there is 1 CD for field, no CD for changing the type of one third of the primary group, and no CD for changing the orientation of only the bottommost charge. [KH]

This is somewhat of a stretch. We consider this clear of Christopher's armory, although it might've been a problem had the field on Aliannsa's submission been Per chevron azure and vert... Had that been the case, the issue of per chevron inverted fields vs. piles does become a reality. Kanute's blazon is clearer that the original one.

Alys Scurrell (Londinium ad Rubrum Flumen): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Purpure, a bat-winged squirrel rampant and on a chief indented Or, three acorns purpure.

The indents should be larger. The ears don't belong to a squirrel. The tail might save the identifiability. [KH] This is probably the upper limit of indentations one should have on a chief (about 8 upward points-5 or so really would be sufficient), but we didn't think that this warrented redrawing. The pointed ears of a squirrel are found in rendition of Parker and Fox-Davies alike, and there are several natural species of squirrel in Arizona alone (e.g., the Kaibab forms at the Grand Canyon) that have similarly pointed, significantly-sized ears. [MMM]

Amalie von den Blumen (Sundragon): NEW NAME

The name is German, "Amalie of the Flowers." Amalie is found in "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia," Talan Gwynek ( ) as a feminine given name dating to 1349. While Bahlow doesn't show Blume/n as a family name, there are similar names such as Blum and Blumentritt (the latter shown with Rosentritt), that might suggest a byname that is associated with "flower/s". (The submitter's legal last name is Vanderbloemen, hence the desire for a similar SCA byname.)

Twin Palm Pursuivant corrected the original submission's grammar into the correct modern German form.

Colyn MacRuairidh of Rathlin Island (Londinium): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend sinister rayonny purpure and Or, a stag courant argent.

The name is Scots Gaelic. Colyne (with an -e) is found as a masculine given name in "13th and 14th Century Scottish Names," Symon Freser of Lovat ( ). MacRuairidh is found in Black, pp. 562-3, s.n. MacRory. Rathlin Island lies six miles off Ballycastle, Northern Ireland, and 16 miles from the Mull of Kintyre in Scotland ( ). The submitter has also found more information on the island, which was identified by the Greek geographer Ptolemy in 150 A.D. as the

island of Rikina. The Irish form of the name, Rechru, was used by Adomnan in the 7th C. in his "Life of St. Columba". The name Raghery, which is still in use by natives of the Island, occurs as early as 1278, possibly a Norse pronunciation of Rachru. The form Rathlin appears as early as 1213 and is from the Irish Reachlinn which means 'of Rathlin' ( ). An Etymological Dictionary of the Gaelic Language, by Alexander MacBain (Gairm Publications, 1982) show "island" as both Irish and Old Irish inis ( ). The School Gaelic Dictionary, Prepared for the use of learners of the Gaelic language, by Malcolm MacFarlane (Eneas MacKay, Bookseller, 43 Murray Place, Stirling, 1912) shows "island" as eilean (same URL as MacBain), so that the Gaelic for "Rathline Island" might be Reachlinn Eilean, Eilean Reachlinn, or merely Reachlinn. (Given the other information, it seems that Reachlinn is the most appropriate translation of the byname.)

The submitter is willing to add the terminal -e to Colyn if necessary, and to drop the locative (or better yet, have it rendered into Scots Gaelic, if it can be included in a Scots Gaelic name). He does not wish an Anglicized form of the name.

The following commentary is provided by Kanute: A precedent made during the tenure of Da'ud ibn Auda: "We feel that the second CVD can be gained from the change from courant to passant [sic - should be statant as in blazon], as it changes dramatically the position of all the legs. (Much as a CVD is granted for the change from statant to couchant, which effectively only removes the legs.)" (LoAR 11/90 p.9). However, a more recent precedent made during the tenure of Francois la Flamme: "There is no CD for the difference between passant and courant, per the August 2001 LoAR." [Elspeth Colquhoun, 09/01, R-Caid] Since it appears that Francois' predecent supercedes Daud's, and since passant is considered equivalent to statant, with no difference counted when checking for conflict, then courant would also be equivalent to passant. If this is the case, considering Gianni Arcieri, Per fess azure and bendy sable and argent, a stag at gaze argent., would have 1 CD for field difference, but nothing more. (Head orientation on a full-bodied beast is also granted no clear difference.)

The name is included in the August LoI. The device is HELD pending an attempt to obtain a Letter of Permission to conflict with Gianni Arcieri.

Deredere the Midwife (Londinium): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Purpure, a harpy statant gardant wings displayed and inverted, on a chief argent three ankhs sable.

The harpy is drawn in trian aspect, not affronty or in profile. [KH] We feel that the only part of the harpy that could be considered trian is the chest area. The rest of the body and foot placement is standard for a standing bird, such as an owl or falcon, and a slight shift of the upper body seems reasonable if the wings are positioned as displayed on a standing bird. [MMM]

Donnghal Buchanan (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

The name is Irish. Donnghal is a masculine given name (pp. 76-7, Ó Corráin and Maguire). Buchanan is a well-known Scottish surname popular in Tyrone and other Ulster counties (p. 29, MacLysaght).

Edane van Tiel (Atenveldt): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME from "Etain of Atenveldt," and NEW DEVICE CHANGE

Per bend sable and argent, a daisy and a caltrap counterchanged.

If the new device is registered, the submitter wishes her current device, Per fess azure and vert, on a plate a raspberry fesswise gules slipped vert., maintained as a badge.

Frederick Tinamou the Untamed (Londinium): NEW BADGE

Argent, two axes crossed in saltire surmounted by a staff of Aesculapius azure, a bordure rayonny gules.

The name was registered May 1982.

An alternate blazon: Argent, a sheaf of two axes addorsed and a staff of Aesculapius azure, a bordure rayonny gules. Visually, this is a single primary group, not a primary and an overall group [KH], hence the alternative blazon. I agree that this is a single primary group, but I disagree that the original blazon does not as adequately describe the items in the primary group as such. I also tend to think of a sheaf of charges as those that are identical charges. [MMM]

Gudrun Bogsveigir (Twin Moons): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2001

Gules, a wolf's head erased and on a chief argent, three arrow heads inverted azure.

Hermione Delamar (Londinium): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend argent and azure, a seacat gardant azure and a brunette mermaid in her vanity proper.

Hermione is a Greek feminine given name, the daughter of Helen of Troy and Menelaus; it was popular in 16th C. English literature, used as the name of a queen in Shakespeare's The Winter's Tale (p. 151, Withycombe, 3rd edition). Delamar is seen at Delamare in Dauzat, p. 185, and spelled as Dalamare and dated to 1385 in Reaney and Wilson, p. 99. This is an undated form in Reaney and Wilson.

Ívarr bjarnherðar (Granite Mountain): NEW DEVICE

Vert, a chevron inverted engrailed to base, in chief a beehive Or.

The name was registered July 2002.

This is a great allusion to "bearshoulders," the submitter's byname, for someone who is a professed non-artist (he might not be able to draw a bear, but he draws a fine beehive...and beehives, in turn, draw bears...).

Considering Friðælv Olvesdottir, Vert, a chevron inverted and in chief a roundel Or., there is 1 CD for changing half of the ordinary's line and 1 CD for changing the type of secondary. [KH]

Maredudd Browderer (Twin Moons): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME, from "Maredudd of Atenveldt"

Martha Brockbank (Londinium): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale inverted purpure and Or, a badger Or and three comets gules.

Nichelle of Whitewolfe (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE CHANGE

Argent, an escallop inverted and a bordure rayonny sable.

The name was registered June 1973.

If registered, her currently-held arms, Per pale gules ermined argent and azure, an escallop inverted argent., is to be retained as a badge.

Owen Blackshepe (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE

Argent, in pale a rose branch fesswise reversed vert, flowered of three garden roses gules, and a ram statant sable.

The name was registered May 1997.

Moonbeam Pursuivant has informed me that this is a new badge for the submitter. This depiction of a ram is identical to the ones found in two other pieces of armory registered to him. Knute suggested the term rose branch for the charge in chief. [MMM]

Ragnarr bogsveigir (Londinium): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, a wyvern erect wings displayed argent, on a chief rayonny Or an arrow point to dexter azure.

The name is Old Norse. Ragnarr is a masculine given name found in "Viking Names found in the Landnámabók," Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( ). The byname, found in "Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók," Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( ), means "bow-swayer, archer."

Robin Johnstone (Sundragon): NEW NAME, DEVICE and BADGE

Gyronny azure and Or, a garb within an orle gules.

(fieldless badge) A garb gules.

Shirin al-Adawiya (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 2002

Per bend gules and purpure, three mullets of eight points and a decrescent argent.

The name was registered December 2002.

This is a complete redesign; the original submission was returned using dexter and sinister points in conjunction with a base.

Stefan Weisswolf (Londinium): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale sable and gules, a wolf rampant and on a chief embattled argent a crescent gules.

Wolf Strongarm (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, February 2003

Per pale sable and Or, a death's head counterchanged.

The following are returned for further work by the Atenveldt College of Heralds, August 2003:

Donnghal Buchanan (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE

Vert, a double-headed eagle and a bordure embattled Or.

The embattling should be deeper. Considering Conall Ó Cearnaigh: Vert, a hawk striking within a bordure embattled Or., there is only 1 CD for posture of the eagle. Considering Gerhard von Regensburg: Per chevron inverted gules and sable, an eagle displayed within a bordure dovetailed Or., there is only 1 CD for field differences. This must be returned for multiple conflicts. [KH] No difference is counted between a single vs. double-headed eagle; no difference is counted between "square" complex lines of division, such as embattled and dovetailed.

Device RETURNED for multiple conflicts.

Annora Elena Roana de Warenne of Lewis (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron inverted gules and Or, three crescents entwined and a foxglove slipped and leaved vert.

The submission is being RETURNED for potential problems with the double literal locative (it's not registerable, per the 04/03 LoAR: "Thomas Attewood of Epping. Name "Submitted as Thomas atte Woode of Epping...When two bynames that refer to locations appear in a name in English, the first byname is usually an inherited surname and the second is usually a literal locative byname....We have changed this name to use the inherited surname form Attewood to follow the documented pattern of [given name] [inherited surname] of [placename] [04/03 LoAR, Ansteorra-A]"and from the 01/03 LoAR: "Greylond Dowglaß de Galloway. Name. "No documentation was presented and none was found that two locative bynames, both containing particles, would be used in a name. We have dropped of and added a space between de and Galloway to follow documented forms... [01/03 LoAR, Middle-A/"), although it can be corrected to Annora Elena Roana Warenne of Lewis; documentation for the use of triple given names in English in period; and redrawing of the charge in base (this is not a stalk-like foxglove, but rather similar to a lilies of the valley). The arrangement of the crescents makes them hard to identify, and although I haven't found a precedent which prohibits this arrangement, the submitter need to be made aware that the submission could be returned for irreproducibility.

I remain,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716

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