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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 1 July 2018, A.S. LIII

LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Ivan and Ian'ka; Baron Seamus MacDade, Aten Principal Herald; Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!


Best wishes for a temperate Summer (insert hysterial laughter here). It was SO GOOD to see many of you at Aten University! I hope that it was time well-spent for you and that you'll be inspired in an armorial way. I don't know how much business I may attract, but there will be an Heraldic Consultation Table at the Mons Tonitus Arts and Science Competition on Saturday, 21 July. Come on down! I'll be fun!


And speaking of fun, please have commentary to me on the propose submissions for the July Letter of Intent by 20 July 2018. Thank you!


The following submissions appear in the July 2018 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


Kharington Fraser (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Checky argent and sable, a cross throughout gules cotised Or.

Kharington is the client's legal given name (a copy of her birth certificate is provided to Laurel). (Carrington/Kerrington is found in Family Search as well, none with this spelling, just as an FYI.) Fraser is well-documented in Scotland as a surname; Samuell Fraser has a christenint date of 24 July 1597 in Edinburgh Parish, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland (Batch C-11685-4, https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:VQ4N-GPL). The client desires a female name and will not accept Major or Minor chnged to the name. She is most interested in the sound and language/culture (Scotland) of the name.


Leo Hyrulea (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend argent and gules, a lion queue-forchy and three triquetras all counterchanged.

Leo: client's legal given name.

Hyrulea: client's legal middle name. A copy of the AZ driver's license is included for Laurel.

Internal commentary demonstrated that the name is not allowed under III.A.10 of the Administrative Handbook; for the use, specifically, of first and middle names, see: http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/01/02-01lar.html Return, West, Mari Alexander. However, he maintains that Hyrulea is a Scottish surname, as noted in a brief biography of Richard Edwardes: “Edwardes was born in 1525...to Agnes Beaupenny Blewitt Edwards. Some of Edwardes' descendants have claimed that his mother was a mistress of Henry VIII and that Richard was Henry's son, although there has not been evidence to prove or disprove this theory....He married Helene Griffith in 1563 who of sorted of reasons had named been change from Alessia Hyrulea; her father's name was Ciberius Hyrulea.” Although this citation comes from Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Edwardes), these particular citations were referenced from The Mistresses of Henry VIII (First edition), by Kelly Hart (The History Press, p. 23, June 2009, ISBN 0-7524-4835-8)

The client will take the descriptive byname “the Red,” if it determined that Leo Hyruldea alone is not allowed due to III.A.10 in the Administrative Handbook


Patience Winter (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a compass star sable, on a chief azure five quill pens argent.

Patience is found as a female name for Patience Adams, with a christening dates of 22 Mar 1578 in St. Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England, Batch C00629-1 ("England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N55G-S5C: 11 February 2018, Patience Adams, 22 Mar 1578). Winter is an English surname, found for Susanna Winter with a christening date of 26 Apr 1584 at Saint Mary the Virgin, Dover, Kent, England, Batch C03656-1 ("England Births and Christenings, 1538-1975," database, FamilySearch (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JW7Z-TH5 : 11 February 2018, Susanna Winter, 26 Apr 1584). The client will not take Major Changes to the name.

The use of a compass star is a Step from Period Practice.


Please consider the following for the July 2018 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

(A June LoP was accidentally not published in OSCAR; Dawn and John's submissions will be considered in the July 2018 LoP on OSCAR.)


Dawn Greenwall (GM): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2016

Per fess gyronny of 26 Or and gules, and vert masoned Or.

The name was registered June 2014.

The client's previous device submission, Per fess azure and vert masoned Or, a demi-sun issuant from the line of division Or., was returned for multiple conflicts: “It conflicts with the device of Shauna Branwen: Per saltire vert and sable, a demi-sun Or. There is only one DC for changing the field. It also conflicts with the badge of Kara the Twin of Kelton, Sable, the upper half of a mullet of four greater and twelve lesser points Or, the badge of Laurelen Darksbane, Per chevron azure and vert, a demi-compass star issuant from the line of division and the badge of Mathias Sicco von Hagen, Per fess sable and vert, issuant from the line of division a demi-compass-star Or. In these cases, there is a DC for changing the field but no DC for the difference between demi-sun and demi-compass star.”
I have no idea whether this ought to be a gyronny of 13, as the whole gyronny of 26 is not seen; how this is best blazoned; or if a gyronny of 26 is permitted. The device of Fëamîr Bek (registered May 1996), Per fess sable and gyronny from the fess point argent and vert, a cross alisée fitchy Or. (similar to that seen here), has only four parts that would otherwise have a default number of eight. If that is the correct way of blazoning such a design, perhaps this is more accurate as Per fess gyronny of 26 from the fess point Or and gules, and a vert masoned Or.


Ermesinde de Champaigne (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a chevron vert between two gillyflowers and a hummingbird rising purpure.

Ermesinde is a female given name, from OHG ermin, Osaxon irmin, “great, strong,” + Osaxon swïth “strong” (“Ermesinde,” S.L. Uckelman, ed. The Dictionary of Medieval Names from European Sources, Edition 2018, no. 1, http://dmnes.org/2018/1/name/Ermesinde); Ermesinde, Countess of Luxembourg, reigned between 1197 and 1247. She was the only child of Count Henry IV and his second wife, Agnes of Guelders. Champagne from Dictionnaire Étymologique des Noms de Lieux de la France by Albert Dauzat & Rostaing, p. 136, dates the use from 832. Bardsley p. 169 s.n. Champain has de Champain 1345 and de Chaumpaigne 1306, and R&W p. 90 s.n. Champain has de Champaigne 1195. The client desires a female name, and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (1400s French). She would like it authentic for language and/or culture.
There is a SFPP for using a hummingbird, which is found only in the New World. This is unlike any gillyflower that I've seen (a search for gillyflowers online show carnations and other flowers having petals with “frayed” edges). Can anyone verify the charge as a variation of a gillyflower, or what the alternate name might be?


John Feathervane (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, two arrows enbowed and in saltire inverted, a bordure agent.

The name is English. John is a fairly common male given name with a number of churches dedicated to the Baptist during the 12th-15th C. (Withycombe, erd edition, pp. 178-9). Margerie Feather has a christening date of 13 Jul 1605 in Winterton, Lincoln, England (Batch C03381-1, https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JWC2-ZVQ ). Vane is found for Rich Vane, a male with the christening date of 02 Nov 1590 at St. Mary Whitechapel, Stepney, London, England (Batch C00629-1 , https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:N55G-H48). The surname exists as two separate surnames, which is permitted in late English names. Vane is also the flat part of a feather, consisting of two rows of barbs on either side of the shaft (http://www.dictionary.com/browse/vane).

The client would like the name as a single word if possible (Feathervane); he is most interested in the sound of the name.


Rickard Hawthorne (BoA): NEW BADGE

Argent, a gout de larmes cotised argent, six polypus legs, a bordure azure.

The name was registered January 2005.

There are some issues with the submission. The client knows that the gout might not be cotised, and he's willing to drop it. If the badge has a bordure azure, it should extend to the edges of the field (and perhaps be drawn a little wider).
The biggest issue is with the polypus legs. In an earlier incarnation of the badge, the legs were very large, each separated from the other (all of them still to the base of/below the gout), and each with (what I consider an asset to identification) a row of suckers. It the suckers were restored, and the arms separate, would this improve the design? Would it help, if the arms were attached to the base of the gout (and how would that be blazoned? (my guess is “issuant from a gout six polypus legs in base”)?


Sundragon, Barony of: NEW BADGE
Gules, a dragon segreant contourny maintaining a hexagonal gemstone, a bordure indented argent.

The branch name was regsitered September 1984.

A previous badge was registered to the Barony January 2006, Gules, a dragon contourny and a bordure indented argent. Geofrei and Jaqueline, Baron and Baroness of Sundragon, wish to modify this existing badge and register this new one.
This is said it is to be used for a new Order (Prisma Draconis), bur I received no paperwork for an Order name.


The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, May 2018:


Áine inghean Uí Raghallaigh. Name.
Submitted as Áine inghean Uí Ó Raghallaigh, the name was not correctly constructed. The phrase inghean Uí is the marker for Gaelic Clan Affiliation bynames for women; such names for men are marked with Ó. The two markers cannot be combined. With the submitter's permission, we have changed the name to the grammatically correct Áine inghean Uí _ Raghallaigh for registration.
Ari Ánsson and Æsa {o,}ngull. Joint badge. Per bend sinister gules scaly argent and argent semy of escallops inverted gules.
Emelyn Fraser. Badge for Stonegard Keep. Argent, a bat-winged man-tyger sejant erect within a bordure embattled sable.
Eugene Haraldson. Device. Per pale sable and argent, a sun eclipsed between in bend two broad-arrows counterchanged.
Lilias Mar. Device. Per bend sinister azure mullety Or and vert, in sinister base a scorpion bendwise sinister inverted Or.
Lucius James. Name and device. Sable, a fist and a bordure rayonny Or.
The submitter requested authenticity for 16th century England. This name meets that request.
Melonia Marie Popoff. Device. Vert, a catamount rampant guardant argent enflamed proper, a bordure ermine.
Nichelle of Whitewolfe. Badge. Sable, a demi-panther argent spotted sable and incensed gules maintaining a cross formy argent.
Nudd MacPherson. Name change from Ian Nudd MacPherson.
Submitted as Nudd McPherson, Mc is a scribal abbreviation for Mac. By precedent, "both Mc and M' will be expanded to Mac for registration purposes. Individuals with names expanded to Mac should of course feel free to use abbreviated forms like Mc and M' as documentary forms of their name." [September 2013 Cover Letter] With the submitter's permission, we have expanded the byname to MacPherson for registration.
Nudd is a 16th century surname that can be used as a given name. MacPherson was already registered to the submitter and can continue to be used under the Existing Registration Allowance without the need for new documentation.
The submitter's previous name, Ian Nudd MacPherson, is retained as an alternate name.
Tir Ysgithr, Barony of. Order name Order of Ffrind of Tir Ysgithr and badge association. (Fieldless) A maunch Or charged with a boar's head couped contourny sable.
Submitted as Order of the Ffrind of Tir Ysgithr, the submitted name did not match any attested pattern for naming period orders. The Letter of Intent argued that Ffrind is the Welsh word for "friend." However, the pattern of naming orders after individuals allows order names based on specific person's given name, not order names based on a type of person. Additionally, the pattern of naming orders after groups of people is narrowly defined by precedent. In returning Order of Wayfarers of the Barony of Gotvik we explained:
“This order name must be returned because it does not follow a period pattern for order names in English. The Letter of Intent argued that the name fits the pattern of naming orders for groups of people. However, this pattern is very limited. On the June 2014 Letter of Acceptances and Returns, we returned the order name Orden del Conquistador with the following explanation:
“The pattern of naming an order name after a group of people is not found in Spanish. The examples of this pattern that we have are all in the plural, and are found in Austria and Germany: Geselleschaft der Tempellaist (society of the Grail-Templars) and Geselscap von den Gecken (Society of the Fools). Without such documentation that this is a plausible pattern in Spanish, we are unable to register this order name.
In addition, the cited examples support the patterns of a type of person as a heraldic charge (known by a distinctive manner of dress, as a fool or a monk), and of a legendary group of people like the Grail-Templars. A conquistador does not follow either of these patterns. It is a generic term that is not associated with a particular depiction that would be known by people in period. [Glymm Mere, Barony of. Order name Orden del Conquistador, R-An Tir].
“This order name suffers from the same problems. The pattern of naming orders after groups of people was not documented in English. A wayfarer is not a heraldic charge with a distinctive manner of dress. Nor are wayfarers a known legendary group of people. Therefore, this name is not registerable. [6/2017 LoAR R-Drachenwald]”
The same problems exist in this order name. We do not have evidence of any patterns for naming orders in Welsh. Moreover, we have no evidence that a friend was a type of heraldic charge or a legendary figure. Accordingly, this order name as submitted cannot be registered.
However, "[a] given name can be used to create an order name (one named after a founder or inspiration)." [Order of Taillefer, 5/2011 LoAR, A-Lochac]. Ffrind is found in the FamilySearch Historical Records as a gray period English surname, which can be used as an English given name. Accordingly, this name can be registered as Order of _ Ffrind of Tir Ysgithr and, with the Barony's permission, we have done so.

The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms in May 2018 for further work:

None!



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