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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 1 July 2012, A.S. XLVII
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Thomas and Ilora; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings of the New Year from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!


This is the July 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. Please have commentary to me by 15 July 2012.


Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well (i.e., within one month of receiving a submissions packet). If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month (yes, that's IMPORTANT!) of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.


Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site, along with guidelines for painlessly filling out the forms. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.


Upcoming Consultation Tables: Thanks to Helena de Argentoune, Deputy Parhelium (plus Raffaele and Ari skulking about, too) for working at the Heraldic Consultation Table at the Kingdom Collegium. We had more submissions than I'd expected and consulted even more than that! Huzzah for us!


The following submissions are under consideration for inclusion in the July 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Atenveldt, Kingdom of: NEW BADGE

Azure, issuant from base a demi-sun Or and a bordure embattled argent.


The branch-name was registered at some point. This badge will recognize past Kingdom Arts and Sciences Champions.


Corynne MacLeod (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE CHANGE

Per pale sable and Or, a fret counterchanged surmounted by an orle gules.


The name was registered September 2004. If this submission is registered, the client asks that her current device, Per saltire Or and sable, a fret counterchanged and a bordure gules., be retained as a badge.


Gaia Junia (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron sable and argent, two threaded needles argent and a sprig of three holly leaves vert, fructed gules.


The name is Latin. Gaius is a praenomen, found in “Roman Names,” http://www.larp.com/legioxx/nomina.html; Gaia is the femine form of the name. In Romans 16:7, Paul praises a woman named Junia as "outstanding among the apostles." Despite the modern mistranslation of her name as masculine "Junias" or "Junius," no commentator prior to the 13th century questioned that this apostle was a woman (http://www.godswordtowomen.org/rissjunia.htm).


Iamys MacMurray de Morayshire (BoA): NEW BADGE

Gules, on a pile wavy between two crosses formy argent a lion's head erased sable crowned with thorns Or.


The name was registered January 2002.


Jerusha a'Laon (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) Two straight trumpets in saltire argent surmounted by a quill pen Or.


The name was registered July 2000.


Muirgein inghean uí AnTáilliúir (Granholme): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a chevron throughout between the Elder Futhark runes pertho and algiz and a cat passant contourny sable.


The name is Irish Gaelic Muirgein is a feminine (and masculine) given name dated 1000-1400 in “Concerning the Names
Morgan, Morgana, Morgaine, Muirghein, Morrigan, and the Like,” Heather Rose Jones, http://medievalscotland.org/problem/names/morgan.shtml. inghean uí, “daughter of,” constructed in accordance with “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names Formerly Published as "Quick and Easy Gaelic Bynames,” 3rd Edition, Sharon L. Krossa, http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/. AnTáilliúir is Irish Gaelic for “the tailor,” in Irish/English Easy Reference Dictionary, Roberts/Rheinhart Publishing, p 456. Mari's article notes: “...while Gaels don't seem to have used occupational bynames, simple patronymic bynames were sometimes formed from the father's occupation rather than his given name. So while there don't appear to be Gaelic bynames describing that individual as a smith or a tailor, there are simple patronymic bynames that identify Gaels as the child of a smith or a tailor. The range of occupations used in simple patronymic bynames, however, appears to be somewhat limited.”. If there were any evidence for this to be used as a occupational name in its own right (As Muirgein AnTaillliúir), the client would prefer that. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name.


Pietro Francesco da Scalzi (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per fess gules and sable, a compass rose Or with an annulet argent and charged with a roundel gules.


The name is Italian. Pietro and Francesco are masculine given names found in “Italian Men's Names in Rome, 1473-1484,” Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada, http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Studium/GivenFreq.shtml. Scalzi is a placename found in “1800 Surnames Recorded in 1447,” N.F. Faraglia, http://www.abruzzoheritage.com/magazine/2002_06/d.htm#1. This compound given name + byname construction are noted in Mari's paper, http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/Studium/Construction.shtml. The client desires a male name.


While this may have the appearance of four layers (field, annulet, mullet and roundel), the compass rose is a single charge composed of an annulet and a mullet – were it all Or or all argent, there would've be an issue. We're counting this as field, primary charge (compass rose) and tertiary charge (roundel).


Ricolda de Aspynwall' (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, on a pale Or a sun gules.


Ricolda is a feminine name dated to 1151-54 and found in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Richolda,” Talan Gwynek, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Richolda. De Aspynwall' is an English surname dated to 1212, found in “Names from Ormskirk Parish, Lancashire: The Poll Tax of 1381, with Comparative Data from 16th Century Parish Registers,” Brian M. Scott, http://my.stratos.net/~bmscott/Ormskirk_1381.html. The client cares most about the language/culture of the name (Anglo-Saxon).


Selina Trastamara de Luna (Brymstone): NEW BADGE

Per bend sinister rayonny sable and gules, two pawprints Or.


The name was registered December 1996.


Sely Bloxam (Tir Ysgithr): NEW ALTERNATE NAME, Luffechild' de Honybourn'

The primary name was registered October 2003.

Luffechild' is a female given name dated to 1190 in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Lovechild,” Talan Gwynek, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Lovechild. de Honybourn' is an English surname dated to 1327 in Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 237 s.n. Honeybourne. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name. She will not accept Major Changes.


Tir Ysgithr, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Boars of Tir Ysgithr and NEW BADGES

(Fieldless) A boar statant argent within and conjoined to a billet fesswise voided sable.

(Fieldless) A boar statant azure within and conjoined to a billet fesswise voided sable.

(Fieldless) A boar counter-ermine statant within and conjoined to a billet fesswise voided sable.

(Fieldless) A boar statant Or within and conjoined to a billet fesswise voided sable.

(Fieldless) A boar per pale gules and azure statant within and conjoined to a billet fesswise voided sable.

(Fieldless) A boar statant purpure within and conjoined to a billet fesswise voided sable.

(Fieldless) A boar statant vert within and conjoined to a billet fesswise voided sable.


The branch-name was registered January 1973.

Boar, the male of a wild or domesticated swine, is dated back to c. 1000; this particular spelling is the one commonly used in Heraldic and Order names in the SCA, although it seems to first be seen in 1697 (Dryden's “bristled Rage of Boars”); prior to this, it tends to be seen as bor, boor or bore. (COED). Because of the variety of accolades that this Order bestows (for service, arts, fighting skills, etc.), the Barony prefers that the Order name be plural. The addition the territorial name avoids conflict with the previously-registered Boar Pursuivant (via An Tir).

All of these badges will be associated with the Order of the Boars of Tir Ysgithr.


The following submissions were returned for further work by the Atenveldt CoH, June 2012:


Willelm Keel (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Gyronny gules and Or, a badger rampant within an orle sable.

This is close in sound to Wilhelm von Kiel registered in December of 1998 (via the Outlands). [ML]
I suspect that this may conflict under SENA. PN.3.C.1 reads: "Changes to Two Syllables: Names are substantially different if changes in sound and appearance affect at least two syllables (including adding, removing, or reordering them). If the changes only affect adjacent letters or sounds, they must affect more than two letters or sounds to be considered under this allowance. Change in spacing is a change in appareance, but is not considered a change in sound. Changes to any part of the name count, including articles and prepositions."
This subsection has the examples Alana Red/Elena Reed, Maria Smith/Miriam Smith, Richard Loudeham/Richard Loveman, John de Aston/John Asson, and Anne Jones London/Anne Joan of London, as being different enough to be clear of conflict. For this submission, we have definitely removed a syllable. That is one of the changes we need. However, I'm not sure if Willelm is different enough in sound/appearance from Wilhelm to give us the second. But are Kiel and Keel different in pronunciation? I'm pronouncing them the same way, but maybe I'm wrong? (I'm not proficient in German.) [LV]
The ie in Kiel is pronounced like the ee in meet. Keel and Kiel are identical in sound. Any difference will have to come from the given name.
Both given names are two syllables. Willelm is form of William from the time of the Norman Conquest so it should be close in sound to the French Guillaume. Wilhelm is pronounced Vil-helm.
Wilham conflicts with William [Wilham of Douglas, 2002.11]
William conflicts with Guillem [Guillem Gallo, 2003.10]
Oh, this gives me a headache. [ML]
<Willelm> is found in contexts other than Norman -- the Latinized form <Willelm> appears in English contexts from the 13th C, and also in French, Scots, and Swiss contexts. Particularly in the latter I'd expect it to be pronounced vil-elm, i.e., almost identical with <Wilhelm>. Certainly the two are not significantly different in appearance. [AmC]

Unfortunately I think this is a conflict. [AM] I have contacted the client with questions pertaining to the potential conflict. [MMM]

Name HELD for further consideration by client; Device acceptable.



The following submissions appear in the June 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary is provided by Alys Mackyntoich (Eastern Crown) [AM], Andreas von Meißen (Nautilus) [AvM], Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Brunissende Dragonette [BD], Etienne Le Mons d'Anjou [EMA], Gunnvor silfraharr [Gs], Lillia de Vaux (Diademe) [LV], Magnus von Lübeck [ML], Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Aldyrne) [MBD] and Marta [MMM].


Aonghas MacFaolain (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale and per chevron sable and Or, three bull's heads cabossed counterchanged.

There needs to be a space after <Mac>. [AmC]
I think this is clear of <Aengus MacPharlain> (reg. 10/1995 via Atlantia). The only difference is ahr vs. eh in the second syllable of the byname. PN.3.C.1. doesn't apply because only one syllable has changed; PN.3.C.3 doesn't apply since no single-syllable element has changed. PN.3.C.2 Substantial Change to One Syllable says "Two names are also substantially different if a syllable is substantially changed in sound and appearance. This means that the vowel and the consonant (or group of consonants) on one side of the vowel is different between the two names. In either case, the change in spelling (including addition or removal of letters) must affect at least two letters in that syllable to be substantial." Here, both the vowel and the consonant have changed, and in comparing <Phar> vs. <Fao>, two (or more) letters have been changed. [AmC, AM, MBD]

Óengus ua Faeláin registered in September of 2004 (via the Outlands). This is clear under the old rules but how will the new rules treat this? [ML] This is clear by PN.3.C.2: "Substantial Change to One Syllable: Names are substantially different if a single syllable between them (excluding articles and prepositions, such as de and the) is changed in both sound and appearance as described here...Two names are also substantially different if a syllable is substantially changed in sound and appearance. This means that the vowel and the consonant (or group of consonants) on one side of the vowel is different between the two names. In either case, the change in spelling (including addition or removal of letters) must affect at least two letters in that syllable to be substantial." [AmC]

The per chevron division is a bit low http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2011/05/11-05cl.html [BD]


Arthur O'Flaherty (Twin Moons): TRANSFER OF BADGE

Or, on a sun gules a dragon contourny argent, a bordure gules.

The client provides a letter of transfer for the badge, registered July 2011, to the Barony of Sundragon.


Caitríona inghean Fhaoláin mhic Gearóid (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2012

Per bend sinister engrailed gules and vert, a serpent nowed Or and a rapier bendwise sinister argent.

The majority of commentary was devoted to pointing out that the field is Per bend sinister engrailed gules and azure...

I am pleased by the use of a good period rapier. I would advise an artist's note to draw it bolder, though. [AvM] Now, this is a very nice engrailed line of division... [Gs]


Ered Sûl, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Gilded Annulet, and BADGE: Azure, on a mountain of three peaks vert, fimbriated and snow-capped argent, an annulet Or.

The branch name was registered/corrected March 1999.

The pattern of the Order name follows that of similar Baronial Orders, including the Gilded Heart and the Gilded Shield (both registered April 1999).

Gilded, “overlaid wholly or in parts with a thin coating of gold,” is dated to c. 1596. An annulet, “a little ring,” is dated to c. 1602 with this spelling; as “a small circle worn as a charge in coats of arms,” it is dated to 1610 with this particular spelling. (both in COED)

The design of the badge follows that seen in the arms of the Barony, Azure, in base three mountain peaks vert, fimbriated and snow-capped argent, in canton a laurel wreath argent.; its badge, Azure, a mountain of three peaks issuant from base vert, fimbriated and snowcapped argent.; and all of its Order badges, with the charges in base including a lily Or, a heart Or, a mullet Or, an escutcheon Or and most recently, a torch Or.


Heinrekr hinn þormóði (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Ermine, a boar rampant within an orle gules.

The correct URL is http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/lindorm/runicbynames/mental.htm#start [ML].


Sanchia Allain (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend sinister purpure and Or, a hare salient counterchanged.

IGI Parish Records (extracted) shows Christofer Allain, Male, Marriage, 31 Aug 1572, Polstead, Suffolk, England, Batch M06302-2. [ML]


Sundragon, Barony of: ACCEPTANCE OF TRANSFER OF BADGE

On behalf of the Barony of Sundragon, Baron Wilhelus le Casse provides a letter of transfer to accept the badge Or, on a sun gules a dragon contourny argent, a bordure gules.


Thora Thumb Dragon (Windale): NEW NAME, Held at Kingdom April/Estrella 2012

I tried to contact the client twice (Gunnvor offered a few options in internal commentary that made the name entirely Norse that I wanted to present to the client) but have been unsuccessful. I am sending this on for a ruling by the CoA.


Thank you all for your continuing hard work for the Atenveldt College of Heralds and the people it serves!


Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716

brickbat@nexiliscom.com

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