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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 20 July 2008, A.S. XLIII
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Phelan and Amirah; Duchess Elzbieta Rurikovskaia, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is the July 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. The last day for commentary on the submissions considered for the July 2008 Letter of Intent is 27 July 2008.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.

Kingdom Collegium: a whopping big thanks to everyone associated with the Collegium! To the autocrats who put us in the expansive (and air-conditioned) library for heraldry classes and the Consultation Table - thank you! To Stephanie Krakowska (Iron Wood Loch Herald), Katherine Throckmorton (Brymstone College Herald), Helena de Argentoune (Twin Moons Deputy) and Symon Bayard, all who kept the Consultation Table chugging along in spite of its vast popularity, thank you! To Elzbieta Aten, for having an Atenveldt College of Heralds meeting so we could all meet and discuss projects and directions of the CoH - thank you, too! The Consultation Table was well-attended, and the vast majority of folks came away happy and thinking good heraldic thoughts. What more can you ask?

Recent Registrations and Returns by Laurel: Atenveldt-associated actions found in the February 2008 College of Arms Letter of Acceptance and Return are listed at the end of this report. This covers submissions which appear in the October 2007 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.


Please consider the following submissions for the July 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


Annya Sergeeva (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE

Argent, three eggs gules each charged with a Latin cross bottony argent, on a chief gules a cat couchant argent.

The name appears in the 20 March 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

Since eggs aren't roundels, I don't think there is any issue with presumption. They aren't significantly different from roundels, though: "We see no heraldic difference between a roundel and an egg." (Sarah Rumoltstochter, September, 1992, pg. 41)


Anna Sergeeva: NEW BADGE, held jointly with Robert Heinrich

Argent, an egg gules charged with a Latin cross bottony argent within a torse wreathed Or and sable.

Both names appear in the 20 March 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.


Ered Sûl, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME "Order of the Mountain Flame" and NEW BADGE

Azure, on a mountain of three peaks vert, fimbriated and snow-capped argent, a torch Or.

The group name was registered March 1998.

The name is English. Although there might be issues with the name (is there such a thing as a mountain flame? Or a mountain possessing or owning a flame?), the populace notes that the mountains to the north of the Barony are noted for both being volcanic in nature and for harboring forest fires on a regular basis (if it isn't one thing, it's another!).

The design of the badge follows the template of several previously-registered pieces of armory for the Barony.


Felipe Cuervo (Granite Mountain): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, House Fénix de Oro

The client's primary name appears in the 20 March 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

The household name is Spanish, "Golden Phoenix" (The Bantam New College Spanish and English Dictionary, Edwin B. Williams, Bantam Books Inc., NY, 1968). I believe that this would be more correct as Fénix del Oro. This is in keeping with inn signs; "English Sign Names," Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/mari/inn/ ) demonstrates the use of monsters as sign mascots (Dragon, Mermaid) and color in conjunction with an item (Whitehorse, Grayhound). While there is a Gold Phoenix Herald and an Order of the Golden Phoenix registered in the SCA, I believe translating the phrase into another language avoids conflict with these. There are also several registered household names which use the designator Casa rather than House (Hakim de Casa Branca November 2004 (as part of a personal name); Casa Hernandez December 1997; Casa Bellini January 2007); while most of these tend to be Italian rather than Spanish, the client would like the designator Casa to be used if that's plausible. The client is most interested in the language/culture of the name, and he will not accept Major changes to the name.


Leah ingen Padraig (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per saltire or and argent, three domestic cats courant in annulo gules.

Leah is the client's legal given name. The byname is Irish Gaelic, "daughter of Patrick" (her father is Padraig O Maoilriain, registered August 1995). Pádraig is an Early Modern Irish Gaelic masculine given name dating 1205-1578 found in "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Pádraig," Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Padraig.shtml ); the genitive form doesn't lenite. The client desires a female name.


Luke Walker of Skye (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale Or and purpure, in pale three castles counterchanged.

The name is English. Luke is found as a masculine given name in "An Index to the 1523 Subsidy Roll for York and Ainsty, England," Karen Larsdatter ( http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/york16/given-masc-alpha.htm ), dated to 1523 (surprise!). Walker is an English byname, referring to the occupation of a fuller, found in "English Names Found in Brass Ensrciptions," Julian Goodwyn

( http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/brasses/lastnameIZ.htm#W ); it is dated to 1584. Skye is an island in Scotland. It has had a long history; under the 'Lord of the Isles' Skye attempted a separation from the Scottish Crown, and the Lordship was abolished at the end of the 15th C. This was also a time of major clan rivalry, and the MacLeods and the MacDonalds fought many engagements, culminating in the Coire na Creiche battle of 1601. (website for Skye, the Isand and Lochalsh, http://www.skye.co.uk/heritage-historical-sites.php ) The client desires a male name and is most interested in the spelling of the given name as "Luke."


Marius Pelagius Calvus (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2008

Per chevron inverted gules and azure, a Latin cross formy and a bordure dovetailed argent.

The original name submission, Pelagius Marius Calvus, was returned for the following reasons: "This name has the structure of a classic Roman tria nomina, but the name Pelagius is not a documented praenomen. We would drop this element, but the submitter will not allow major changes. For the same reason, we are unable to rearrange the elements to Marius Pelagius Calvus to represent a name of the form nomen + cognomen + agnomen. Therefore, we are forced to return this submission.

"The submitter requested an authentic Roman name. Roman names have several possible forms, depending on the period in which they are found. If the submitter is interested in a classic tria nomina, then true praenomen is required. Metron Ariston explains: 'While Marius is a well-documented Roman nomen (whose most notable bearer was probably the general and consul who held sway at Rome from around 107 B.C. on) and Calvus a familiar cognomen as in the name of Gaius Licinius Macer Calvus, the friend of Catullus, the Pelagian element is problematic. In origin it is not Latin but Greek and, as far as I can tell, was never used as a praenomen nor a cognomen in ordinary Latin circles. The name Pelagius was borne, probably in the same manner as common geographical or ethnic adjectives used for slaves and foreigners. (Pelagius is the Latin transliteration of the Greek name [Greek] which means "of the sea". It was apparently borne by the British monk who was a contemporary of Augustine, but it is somewhat doubtful that it was his birth name and may have been applied to him because of his origins. In any case, if he really wants a name authentic for "Roman", I would strongly suggest he either use a documented praenomen (Publius leaps to mind as one that would be quite similar in sound)'

If the submitter is interested in a Roman name after 250 AD (or so), Loyall has these suggestions: 'Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2206 says:

Early in the third century the praenomen fell out of use in Rome and the traditional tria nomina was supplanted (at least among the nobility) by a new system of nomen, cognomen, and agnomen. By your date of 250 CE most men had names composed of a nomen and one or more cognomina.

Thus, this name could be given a structure authentic for a later Imperial Roman name if we switched the order, making Marius (a nomen) the first element.'"

The client has decided to reverse the first two element, suggested by the College of Arms. He desires a male name and he cares most about the meaning and the language/culture of the name. He wants to keep "Pelagius." He will not accept Major changes to the name.

The original device submission, Per chevron inverted gules and azure, a Latin cross formy argent, was returned for conflict with the badge for the

Order of Dannebrog (important non-SCA badge), (Fieldless) A cross formy argent fimbriated gules. There is a CD for adding the field but nothing for removing the fimbriation or extending the lower limb of the cross. The submitted device also conflicts with the device for Seth Williamson of Exeter, Lozengy purpure and Or, a cross formy fitchy argent. There is a CD for changes to the field but nothing for the changes to the lower limb of the cross. Adding the bordure resolves these conflicts.


Melissa of Monster Hall (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a winged Gorgon's head cabossed proper, crined and with serpents vert, and a bordure embattled sable.

Melissa is the client's legal given name; I will have to contact her and have her provide documentation (driver's license/passport/birth certificate) to demonstrate that it is her legal given name. The household name the Monsters of Monster Hall was registered to Denis of the Titans January 1973. Count Denis has provided a letter of permission for Melissa to use "Monster Hall" as part of her SCA name. The client desires a female name. She will not accept Major or Minor changes to the name, and she will not accept a holding name.


Morgana Quarry (Granholme): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) An opinicus segreant purpure.

The name was registered August 1992.


Ragnarr skinnskrifari í Bládrekafirði (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, October 2001

Ermine, a dragon rampant contourny azure maintaining an awl and a human skull sable within a bordure per bend sinister sable and azure.

The name appears in the 29 February 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

The previous submission, Counter-ermine, a dragon segreant contourny azure, maintaining in sinister foreclaw a brush and in dexter foreclaw a human skull argent., was returned for tincture violation.


Seamus O'Callan (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, December 2007

Per pale vert and Or, a vol and in chief between the tips a tricune, all counterchanged.

Séamus is a masculine Early Modern Irish Gaelic name dating 1298-1608 in "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Séamus," Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Seamus.shtml ). It also appears in Ó Corráin and Maguire (Irish Names, p. 163, s.n. Séamus). Mari shows Cathalán as a masculine Middle Irish Gaelic name dated 871-1199

( http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Cathalan.shtml ). Reaney and Wilson, under Callan, shows Ó Cathaláin as "descendant of Cathalán," so we hope that this might be a reasonable (and pronounceable!) Anglicized form of the original Gaelic. The client desires a male name, is most interested in the language/culture of the name, and requests the name be authentic for 12th C. Irish (Anglicized).

The device was held by the Atenveldt CoH pending receipt of a name submission to accompany it. The Pictorial Dictionary comments that when a pair of conjoined wings are displayed, the charge is a vol; when the wings are conjoined but inverted (tips down), the charge is a lure. The Pic Dic notes that the tricune is a unique SCA charge, but based on an old German-Norse design motif; it consists of three passion nails conjoined in pall inverted.


Ulrich Gottfried (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend sinister sable and argent, a bend sinister gules, in dexter chief a cross of annulets braced Or.

The name is German. Ulrich is a masculine given name found in "Late Period German Masculine Given Names," Talan Gwynek ( http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/germmasc.html ), from 14th C. Plauen (1351-1400). Gottfried is found in the same source as a masculine given name from 14th C. Plauen, up to 1300. Gottfried was registered as a byname in July 2006, to Franz Gottfried der Pfalzer. The client desires a male name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (none given, but I'm guessing German). He would like to have the name authentic for 10th-12th C. (the documentation makes this somewhat later).

Since the field is composed of equally dark (sable) and light (argent) components, it is a neutral field, and the bend sinister can be of any tincture (except for sable or argent!).


Vincent Matthew of Kilkenny (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME

The name is English. Vincent is the client's legal middle name. It is found as a masculine given name in HR 1273 (Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd edition, p. 289 s.n. Vincent). Matthew, as an English byname, is undated in this spelling, but it is found as a byname in Alan Mathew 1260 (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 302 s.n. Matthew). Kilkenny is a county in southern Ireland; Kilkenny Castle was likely originally a wooden structure in the 12th C. William the Earl Marshall built the first stone castle on the site, which was completed in 1213. This was a square-shaped castle with towers at each corner; three of these original four towers survive to this day. ( http://dev.kilkenny.ie/eng/About_Kilkenny/History/Famous_Landmarks/Kilkenny_Castle.html ). The client's SCA. The client desires a male name and is most interested in the spelling of the family name (I'm assuming this is the Kilkenny element). He will not accept Major changes to the name.


The following submissions appear in the June 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


Commentary this month was received from Brandan der Wanderer von Arnswold [BWA], Helena de Argentoune [HdA], Katherine Throckmorton [KT], Maridonna Benvenuti [MB],and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].


Abigail de Westminster (Mons Tonitrus): NEW DEVICE and NEW BADGE

(device) Purpure, four maple leaves, stems to center and fretted, argent.

(badge) (Fieldless) A stemless maple leaf.

Should Lady Abigail's badge read "(Fieldless) A stemless maple leaf, purpure." or is she trying to register the maple leaf without a color? I didn't know you could do that. [BWA] Good call...I omitted the tincture of the leaf. [MMM]


Adaliza Fitz Symmons of Elmstone (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME CHANGE from Adaliza Fitz Symmons, and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, August 2007: Or, a tree eradicated vert and a base vert platy.

I happen to have a copy of some of the Domesday Book volumes here at home. By coincidence, one of the volumes in my possession is the volume about "Kent" County. According to the "Map and Map Keys" table at the back of the book, the itty bitty town of "Elmstone" is part of the "Eastry Lathe" in East Kent along with another town called "Preston." The Domesday Book "Project" was begun in 1066 at the order of Duke

William of Normandy and completed in 1085. Domesday Book, Volume 1, is entitled "Kent." The version that I have was published in 1983. I can provide further bibilographic information via photocopy if you desire.[HdA]


Anabel de Chesehelme (Sundragon): NEW NAME


Arabella Eleanor Hamilton (Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Argent, a lizard tergiant vert between flaunches azure.


Aurelia Chrysanthina Dalassene (Atenveldt): DEVICE CHANGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, September 2007: Per chevron argent and purpure, two roses purpure and a lily counterchanged, all barbed and seeded proper, a bordure sable semy of crosses formy argent.

The name was registered October 2006.

The original device change, Per chevron argent and purpure, two roses purpure, barbed and seeded proper, and a dromon contourny argent, a bordure sable semy of Maltese crosses argent., was returned for lack of documentation of a dromon, and a warning that the complexity count of nine was a potential cause for return by itself. The client has dropped the dromon and prefers having two primary charge types (rather than three roses). This still results in four charge types and five tinctures, but as two of the tinctures (vert for the barbing and the lily's calyx and Or for the seeds) are for elements that provide no difference for the purpose of conflict checking and might only improve the identifiability of the charges, however small, she wishes to include them; the design is symmetrical and well-balanced.


Ælfwin Ironhair (Granholme Shire): NEW BADGE: Sable, in fess a human skull facing to sinister and a bottle inverted bendwise sinister argent.


Ceridwen ferch Gruffudd (Twin Moons): NEW ALTERNATE NAME "Khadijah bint Yusuf al -Andalusiyya"

Very nice name! [KT]


David Buchanan (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Per bend sinister gules and argent, a bagpipe argent, pipes and chanter Or, and a claymore bendwise sinister gules.


Fabio Ventura (Atenveldt): DEVICE CHANGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2008

Or, a bend gules between three Latin crosses in bend and two more sable, on a chief gules a cat couchant Or.

The name was registered July 2006.

The original device change, Quarterly sable and azure, a skull argent., was returned for conflict. This is a complete redesign. The armory of Ciana da Vizzi was registered March 2005, Vert, on a bend or, three annulets vert, a chief Or., using a bend and chief combination of the same tincture, without comment.

If registered, the client wishes to retain his currently-registered device, Per chevron sable and purpure, two wedges of cheese and in pall three goblets conjoined bases to center Or., as a badge.


Francésca Marchési (Brymstone): DEVICE RESUBMISSION Kingdom, March 2008: Purpure, a natural seahorse and in chief three mullets Or.


Frederic Gamage (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

Since there is only a 200 year gap between the given name and the byname, this is registerable. [KT]


Isemay of Whytby (Brymstone): NEW NAME


Josef von Eschenbach (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME

The name is German. The only reference I can find to this spelling of the more standard Joseph is from the documentation for Josef the Unkempt (registered July 1998), as the Frisian form of Joseph, a Hebrew name based on the patriarch of the Old Testament (Bahlow, Dictionary of German Names, 1993 translation). My German Bahlow doesn't demonstrate Josef, but this spelling was registered as recently as July 2001. Wolfram von Eschenbach (c.1170-c.1220) was a German knight and poet and is regarded as one of the greatest epic poets of his time. He was a Minnesinger (the equivalent of the French troubadors, writing love poetry for the court) ( http://www.germany-encyclopedia.com/Wolfram_von_Eschenbach ). The client desires a male name and will not accept Major or Minor changes to the name.

Lucia Simonetti (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

The name is Italian. Lucia is a female given name found in "Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names," Arval Benicoeur and Talan Gwynek ( www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/venice14/ ). The byname is found in the same article as Simoneti. The client would prefer the double -t- in the byname if it could be documented. (While not the most sterling point of documentation, Wikipedia has an entry for the House of Simonetti in Tuscany, the family originating in the 11th C., http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simonetti ). The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name. She will not accept Major changes to the name.

Lucia is also found in the names of Italian Renaissance Women's Names, http://heraldry.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/italian.html. The list of first names of the online Florentine Tratte has SIMONETTO 9 times so a the genitive is Simonetti and is do-able, http://www.stg.brown.edu/projects/tratte/doc/TLNAME1.html ; IIRC these are normalized spellings. In the same data as a Surname there was another spelling SIMINETTI that was listed 78 times. So far I haven't found any conflicts. This a very nice name! [MB]

Octavia de Gaillard (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale Or and purpure, in pale a chalice and two bunches of grapes inverted in chevron inverted all counterchanged.

I think that the given name might be justifiable given the fashion for Latinate names, along the lines of Cecilia, Scolastica and so on. Since Galliard is a a descriptive, rather than locative byname, it would not take the article 'de'. 'Galliard' is not found as a dated name in Reaney and Wilson, but that source does give 'Galliard' as a ME spelling of the word, dated to 1390. As it stands, if the article is dropped the name is most likely registerable, but it will be impossible to fulfill the submitter's stated desire for authenticity. [KT]

Saskia Schlaktenbulera (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, a tricorporate ferret argent.

Séamus mac Rí#237;áin (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) In fess an open book sustained by a winged cat salient sable.

The name was registered August 2006.

The client is using elements of his registered armory, Or, a winged cat sejant sable and on a chief gules three open books Or.

Seanach mac Feidhlimidh Droichit Atha (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE, jointly held with Nikaia Angelina Tagarina: (Fieldless) A raven's head erased gules sustaining in its beak a Latin cross potent nowy quadrate vert charged with a lozenge argent.

Uilliam mac Eoin (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, May 2008: Vert, three mullets of six points in bend sinister and a bordure argent.


The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its February 2008 meetings:

Anita de Challis. Badge. (Fieldless) A seeblatt per pale gules and Or.

Faolán Ó Lorcáin. Name change from holding name Faolán of Atenveldt.

This item was pended from the July 2007 LoAR. Originally submitted as Faolán O' Lorccan, the name was changed at kingdom to Faolán Ó Lorcain, presumably to correct the grammar and make the patronymic linguistically consistent (the originally submitted surname mixed an English patronymic particle with an Middle Irish nominative given name). These changes changed the language of the element, a major change which the submitter had indicated he would not accept. However, correspondence with the submitter indicated that his preference is for the form Faolán Ó Lorcain. Precedent requires that accent marks in Gaelic names must be either dropped uniformly or used uniformly; in this case, Lorcán is the standard nominative form for the name used in the patronym. We have changed the name to Faolán Ó Lorcáin in order to register it.

Guido Dragonetti. Name and device. Per chevron inverted Or and gules, in chief a wyvern couchant contourny gules maintaining a wooden lute proper.

Nice 15th C Florentine name!

On OSCAR, the tincture of the lute was a shade of reddish brown that would not have been acceptable. On the forms sent to Laurel the lute is clearly brown; the difference is apparently due to computer coloring of the OSCAR emblazon. At this time, that problem is not grounds for return but we urge submission heralds to scan a copy of the color emblazon rather than recoloring the emblazon.

We advise the submitter to draw the lute a little bit smaller, not as tall as the wyvern, so that it is more clearly a maintained charge. As drawn, it is slightly smaller than the wyvern and is acceptable as a maintained charge.

Lisia Fiorelli. Name and device. Or, a chevronel inverted vert and another gules, in chief three poppies affronty two and one gules.

Submitted as Lisia Anna Fiorelli, the submitter requested an authentic Italian name. The individual elements of the name are all dated to the 14th C, but, we have no examples of double given names in 14th C Italy. We have dropped the second given name to fulfill the submitter's request for authenticity and registered this name as Lisia Fiorelli. We note that the name is registerable as submitted.

Seamus McDaid. Badge. (Fieldless) A shamrock per pale azure and argent.


The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, February 2008:


None. (yay!)

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