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1 July 2000, A.S. XXXV

Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Mathias and Sarolta; Lady Isabel d'Avron, Aten Principal Herald; The Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the July 2000 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. You are encouraged to comment upon these submissions, even if you are new in your office and fear that you might not have enough "experience" to offer your opinion. Please have commentary to me by 25 July. I accept electronic commentary:

Pictorial Dictionaries: I've still got most of the local copies of the Pictorial Dictionary; I will try to distribute them at upcoming events (including Kingdom Arts in Windale). If you plan to attend an event in the future and we can arrange to get your group's copy to you, please let me know.

Heraldic Consultation Tables: I will be running an Heraldic Consultation Table at the following events (if you are in a remote area, tell the folks in your populace!), bringing a number of name resources, and accepting submissions: Kingdom Arts and Sciences (Windale); Kingdom Collegium (Saturday, Mons Tonitrus); and Southern Crusade (Saturday, Mons Tonitrus/Tir Ysgithr). You are welcome and encouraged to spend an hour (or four!) at any or all of these Tables, helping people from throughout the kingdom determine name and armory submissions! If you have submitters that are requesting an unusual name, please contact me or have them contact me so that I can make an effort to bring specific sources with me.

I hope reading the comments with the submissions below gives you some insight into what criteria for name and armorial design the College of Arms uses; please don't think I've made a final decision or said the final word-your commentary might be enlightening! Please consider the following submissions (conflict check if you are able) for the August Atenveldt LoI.:

Beartlai mac Mathghamhain (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Gules, on a saltire Or between four flames proper, bases to center, a grenade overall bendwise sinister sable, enflamed gules, between four Celtic crosses palewise sable.

The submitter wants a 13th C. Scottish Highland name; however, he uses an Irish name book (Book of Irish Names by Choghlan et al., one which does not include dates, for the most part), and photocopies of pertinent pages in which I cannot find documentation for either element. This is extraordinarily frustrating, not much better than receiving a submission with no documentation at all-I don't even have a clue what these elements might be (an Irish Gaelic variation of Bernard? Brian? What?) PLEASE! Make sure that any included paperwork does cite the pertinent information, AND illustrate the passage (with a Hi-Liter, an arrow, or circling) so that it can be found quickly. ALSO! Don't staple photocopied citations to the submission form and just write in the Name Documentation and Consultation Notes box: "see attached documentation"-these pieces of paper can become separated, no matter how well secured, and now that the College of Arms' Pelican King of Arms, who lives in Finland, must receive all documentation (not just the name submission form) via fax from Laurel's office, extraneous paperwork can and is a real nightmare.

Since the provided documentation is grossly inadequate, I've looked in Irish Names (O Corrain and Maguire)-this book is in print, distinguishes between traditional (pre-1600) and modern (post-1600) variants, and does not require photocopies of the pages be included (citation of the name, edition, page are sufficient, if included on the Name Submission form). I can find nothing for Beartlai. Mathghamhain is a traditional Irish given name (from the I. Gaelic for "bear-calf, but later associated with the Biblical name Matthew), particularly popular in late medieval Ireland (O Corrain and Maguire, p. 135).

In The Surnames of Scotland (George Black)-also in print, using an extensive number of dates, and not requiring photocopies be included with the name submission (it is also very expensive), there is no citation for Mathghamhain (a "close" name is MacMath (S. Gaelic Mac Mhatha), "son of Matthew). I could find nothing like Beartlai.

It is probably reasonable to think that some name exchange between the Scots and Irish occurred in period, so that the Irish Mathghamhain, if taken to Scotland, would have the patronymic particle mac associated with it rather than the Irish O. At this time, I would feel compelled to at least hold the name, pending some indication from the submitter as to what the given name is supposed to be, and where acceptable documentation for it could be found.

This is a very complex design. Aside from charges being portrayed in orientations which are rather unusual for them (the blames with their bases to center rather than to base, the grenade set in bendwise sinister); the flames depicted in a non-period style (they would be individual tongues of Or and gules flame, bundled together, rather than this almost fimbriated form-hey, I prefer the shown depiction); and the grenade, which is portrayed in period armory with a true flame at its top, rather than a "sparkler" fuse, the fact that the grenade is "overall", with the sable charge "bleeding" onto the gules field (however small, and it is small here), results in a Tincture Violation. Shrinking the grenade a bit, so that it is completely contained on the saltire would solve this problem and would unlikely reduce the identifiablity of the charge.

Eduard Gostomski (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale azure and gules, a cross formy argent and a bordure ermine.

Eduard is the German form of Edward, the submitter's legal given name (pp. 94-95, Withycombe). Hieronym Gostomski was a late 15th C. Polish nobleman and a supporter of King Sigismund III (p. 10, Richard Brzezinki and Angus McBride, Men-at-Arms Series: Polish Armies 1561-1696, Osprey, Reed International Books Ltd., 1987).

Eduard Gostomski (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

Per pale azure and argent, a cross formy counterchanged and a bordure invected gules.

Elizabeth Edwin (Burning Sands): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, in pale a rhinoceros' head erased purpure and two roses chevronwise inverted gules, slipped and leaved vert

The name is English. Elizabeth dates back to 1205 in England (pp. 99-100, E.G. Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd Edition). Edwin is an English surname, dating to 1221 (p. 114, Reaney and Wilson, A Dictionary of English Surnames).

The device uses elements from the arms of her parents Douglas of Dunbar (Argent, chapé sable, a rhinoceros' head erased purpure.), and Amanda Edwin (Or, two garden roses gules, slipped and leaved, stems conjoined, vert, between two chevronels inverted azure.)

John the Idiota (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

(fieldless) A wolverine rampant argent.

The name was registered October 1982.

The wolverine is found in both the Old and New Worlds. If registered, the submitter wishes to transfer his registered badge Sable, a monkey sejant erect affronty, in chief an annulet Or., to Kyra Kai ferch Madoc. A letter of transfer, signed by both, will be included with this submission.

John Turner (Atenveldt): NEW NAME

The name is English, a fine period example of given name + occupational byname. However, it is also identical to the submitter's legal given name. According to the Administrative Handbook (found in the SCA website, Heraldry) Submissions Regulations III.A.9. "Name or Armory Used by the Submitter Outside the Society - No name or device will be registered to a submitter if it is identical to a name or device used by the submitter for purposes of identification outside of a Society context. This includes legal names, common use names, armory, trademarks and other items registered with mundane authorities that serve to identify an individual or group. This restriction is intended to help preserve a distinction between a submitter's identity within the Society and his or her identity outside of the Society. A small change is sufficient for registration. For example, Alan Miller could not register the name Alan Miller but he could register the name Alan the Miller." The submitter can solve this problem by simply becoming John the Turner, or perhaps choosing a locative (John Turner of Shrewsbury, for example).

Kyra Kai ferch Madoc (Tir Ysgithr): BADGE TRANSFER and BADGE RELEASE

The submitter is accepting the transfer of a badge registered to John the Idiota, Sable, a monkey sejant erect affronty, in chief an annulet Or. In accepting it, she is releasing one of HER registered badges, Sable, a monkey sejant erect affronty, in chief a crescent argent., in keepingwith the armory limits set down by the College of Arms.

Lachlan McBean of Kinchyle (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and NEW BADGE

Sable, a tankand bendwise argent, foaming Or.

Lachlan is a form of the older Lochlann (from the Scots Gaelic Lachlann), a Scottish given name (p. 410, Black; also found in Withycombe, p. 190). McBean is a Scottish family name (pp. 84-5, Munro, Kinsmen and Clansmen shows it as Macbean), undoubtedly from from S. Gaelic Macbheathain, "son of Beathan" (pp. 457-8. Black). Munro states that the families were found in Kinchyle and Drummond towns of Dores parish. Given the dropped "a" in Mac, and what appears to be the Anglicizes form of the given name, this seems to be a good Anglicized name for an individual with a Scottish heritage.

For as many drinking vessels "askew," a cursory scan of the Ordinary reveals no conflict. Please check this one carefully!

Yvonett de Navarra (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly purpure and sable, a unicorn's head couped within an orle argent.

Both Dauzat and Withycombe state that Yvon/Yvonne is a diminutive or derivative of the French given name Yve (p. 603 and p. 295, respectively); however, under Yve (p. 603 Dauzat), Ivonnet/Yvonnet is another undated diminutive of the name. De Navarra is found in "Late Period Feminine Names from the South of France," Talan Gwynek(

The following submissions appear in the 1 JULY 2000 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (emblazons appear in the 1 June 2000 internal LoI):

Adriona Nichole la rousse de Beauvoir: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Purpure, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief argent charged with a rose gules, slipped and leaved vert, in dexter chief and in base two fleurs-de-lys argent.)

Cadlae O Seancain: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Gules, on a chalice inverted between two roundels Or, a wooden spiked mace proper.)

Galen O Seancain: NEW NAME

Karl Teransson: NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel August 1998 (Per bend sinister azure and gules, an owl statant affronty Or, a bordure argent.)

Mons Tonitrus, Barony of: NEW NAME and BADGE for the Order of the Silver Stars of Mons Tonitrus ((fieldless) On a pile inverted issuant from and conjoined to an annulet sable, a mullet of eight points argent.)

Teh-Mu-Ginn Burgud Jerekh: NEW NAME

The following submissions were held or returned for the following reasons:

Danyel Lyon le charretier de Vendredi: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Per pale vert and argent, a compass star counterchanged, on a chief sable a spear argent.)

HELD for clarification of name submission (word order); device okay.

Galen O Seancain: NEW DEVICE (Sable, two wolves' heads addorsed erased argent, an orle purpure, on a point pointed Or, a tree blasted issuant from base vert.)

HELD for design questions/clarification.

Kedivor Tal ap Cadugan: NEW BADGE ((fieldless) A tyger passant argent, enflamed azure upon argent.)

HELD for redrawing.

Teh-Mu-Ginn Burgud Jerekh: NEW DEVICE (Purpure, a heart and on a chief wavy argent, three mullets purpure.)

HELD for design questions/clarification.

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its April 2000 meeting (many of these come from the Southern Crusade Consultation Table-I love these LONG lists of registrations!):

Alistair Ian McGregor. Badge. Argent, two crampons crossed in saltire within a bordure dovetailed azure.

Arianna of Atenveldt. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Argent, a winged natural panther sejant affronty, in chief a rose purpure barbed and seeded vert.

Submitted under the name Arianna Katzenfreunde die Wissbegierige.Adriana Kavanaugh. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Arianna Kavanaugh, the given name seems reasonable for 16th century Italy but, unfortunately, we couldn't document the submitted form any closer to Ireland. The surname in turn is rather exclusively Irish. We already have a precedent against mixed Spanish/Irish names (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR of July 1997, p. 7, with the submission of Sanchia O'Connor); mixed Italian/Irish names are not any more plausible. We have therefore changed the given name to Adriana, a plausible feminisation of the English Adrian, which is found in 16th century sources.

Brighed O'Dáire. Device. Per saltire vert and sable, in pale three lozenges argent.

Cassandra Annabelle O Shannahan. Name.

Submitted as Cassandra Annabell O Seanacain, the name has two weirdnesses: the mixture of Gaelic and English spelling conventions and the use of two given names, particularly in an Irish context, where it is not allowed. It also used a masculine form of the patronymic with a feminine name. By Anglicizing the surname, we make this an English name for someone of Irish decent, making it registerable.

Catherina of Londinium ad Rubrum Flumen. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Per saltire gules and Or, a butterfly sable marked argent, on a chief Or two acorns proper.

Connor Alexander Maxwell. Device. Per saltire azure and sable, two dragons combattant Or and a compass rose argent.

Danielle Delamare. Name and device. Purpure, a seal sejant argent, a bordure compony azure and argent.

Danielle is the submitter's legal give name, but no paperwork was included proving this. Fortunately, while we have no evidence of Danielle in period, it is a reasonable French feminization of Daniel, which was known in France in period.

Dathi Tennant. Name and device. Argent, in pale a boar's head couped close and in fess two crescents within a bordure sable.

Diego de Marulanda and Deborah Inis Glas. Joint badge. Argent goutty de sang, two rapiers crossed in saltire sable surmounted by a harp reversed proper.

Domingo Diaz de la Vega y Martin. Name.

Dýrfinna Knarrarbringa Vilhjálmsdóttir. Device. Gyronny argent and vert, a knarrar and a bordure azure.

Edward of Westmark. Device. Argent, two rapiers crossed in saltire sable surmounted by a ram's head cabossed gules, on a chief sable a sheaf of three arrows argent.

Fine MacEwan. Name and device. Per bend sinister vert and azure, an arrow bendwise sinister inverted and a double-bladed axe argent. Submitted as Fíne MacEwan, the submitter is interested in having the name authentic for an unspecified language/culture. We have therefore made the name entirely English by dropping an accent from the given name. Fíne inghean Eoghain would be a correct Gaelic form of the name.

Francesca d'Aymonet. Name and device. Azure, a bend sinister sable fimbriated between a horse's head couped contourny and a fleur-de-lys Or.

Genevieve Gabrielle Plubel d'Avon. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Genevieve Gabriel d'Avon Plubel, the name had a given name, a patronymic byname, a locative byname and a hereditary surname; we have no evidence that this kind of byname set was used. However, feminising the second name and switching the last two gives two given names, a hereditary surname and a locative byname which, while not ideal, is registerable. Dropping one of the two first names and one of the last two would make this a fine 15th century French name.

Gunnarr Egilsson. Name and device. Paly of four gules and argent, a valknut between three Thor's hammers sable.

Submitted as Gunnarr Egilsson av Uppsala, the submitter is interested in an authentic 8th-10th century Norse name. However, this would be inconsistent with the locative byname, as the name of Uppsala is several centuries and linguistic changes younger. We have dropped the locative to get Gunnarr Egilsson, which is a plausible Viking-era name; Gunnar Egilsson av Uppsala would be a fine medieval Swedish one.Gunnarr Einarsson. Name and device. Gules, a wolf dormant argent, a chief ermine.

The submitter is interested in an authentic 10th-11th century Norse name, so we have changed the name from medieval Swedish to Viking-era Norse by adding one r to the given name.

Gunnarr Gunnlaugsson af Bláskógi. Name.

Honor of Sundragon. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Argent, in bend sinister four pawprints bendwise sinister between two cats sejant respectant sable.

Submitted under the name Honor Caitlin nic Curtin.

Jacques d'Aymonet. Name change from Jacques le Forgeron.

His current name is released.

Jean Pierre Dubois. Name.

Submitted as Jean-Pierre Dubois, we know of no period examples of double given names that use the hyphenation.

Judith of Herefordshire. Device. Vert, a bend embattled between a horse's head erased and a mortar and pestle argent.

Kayleigh von Brückenheim. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Kayleigh von Bruckenheim, her father's registered name, Johannes von Brückenheim, used the umlaut.Leif the Wanderer. Name and device. Per bend purpure and azure, a bend between a double-bitted axe and an arrow inverted both bendwise Or.

Lochlainn Ruadh. Name.

Submitted as Lochlainn the Red, the submitter is interested in an authentic Irish name. Since he has allowed major changes, we have changed the name to be entirely Gaelic.

Mariette Dominique du Beau. Name.

Marsaili inghean Fhionghuin. Name and device. Purpure, an increscent moon and on a chief wavy argent three triquetras gules.

Martin MacGregor. Name.

Nikodemos Synadenos. Name and device. Per chevron vert and sable, two crosses clechy and a chimera statant argent.

Richard le Rat. Name and device. Quarterly argent and sable, four rats rampant counterchanged gules and argent.

Submitted as Richard the Rat, he wishes an authentic English name, so we have changed the byname to a documented form.

Sean of the South. Name.

The submitter has requested an authentic Irish name. This, however, would need major changes, which he doesn't allow. Furthermore, it is not clear that a construction like 'of the South' is a legitimate Gaelic byname.

William of Ravenscroft. Name.

Wolfgang Williamson. Name.

The following submissions were returned for further work by the College of Arms, April 2000:

Arianna Katzenfreunde die Wissbegierige. Name.

The submitter stated that Katzenfreunde was found in Bahlow, Deutsches Namenlexikon, under Katz, but the word is found there only has a possible derivation for Katz, not as a name. The submitter should also be informed that Wissbegierige, "inquisitive," is an unlikely descriptive epithet, being both overly complex and overly abstract.

Her armory was registered under the name Arianna of Atenveldt.

Adriana Kavanaugh. Device. Vert, a chevron ployé between two feathers bendwise sinister and an open scroll argent.

Conflict with Caitlyn Emrys, Vert, a chevron between three peacocks pavonated to base argent, and Harrys Rob of Wamphray, Vert, a chevron between three winged spurs argent. In both cases there is only a single CD for the type of the secondary charges.

Brenna Michaela Sine Macghie of Clan MacKay. Name.

There are several problems with the name. Brenna is not Gaelic, but is justfiable as possibly Italian. This makes the name acceptable by itself, but not with the rest of the name. The mixture of English and Gaelic spellings in the name is a weirdness. Furthermore, there is no evidence of Scottish or Irish names with two given names, much less three. Also, there is no evidence of the use of Clan <X> in names. Lastly, the Macghie of MacKay implied that the submitter is the clan chief or the clan chief's daughter, which is presumptuous. The submitter should also be informed that Michaela is not Irish.

Catherina of Dandroy. Name.

No documentation was presented, and none could be found, showing that Dandroy is a period place name or can be constructed from period elements. We recommend as a substitution the French patronymic d'André, from Dauzat, Dictionnaire étymologique (s.n. Daudray), but did not feel we could make the change without consulting with Catherina.

Her armory was registered under the name Catharina of Londinium ad Rubrum Flumen

Dulcinea Hurtado de Mendoza. Name and device. Gules, on a chevron inverted Or three escallops sable.

The given name Dulcinea appears first in Miguel Cervantes Saavedra's Don Quijote. Unfortunately, the first volume of the novel was published in 1605. Furthermore, even in the book Dulcinea was not the person's real name but instead a "romance" name given by Don Quijote to his love. The device was withdrawn by the submitter. In addition, it conflicts with Kökö Erdene, Gules, on a chevron inverted Or a lozenge azure. There is but a single CD for multiple changes to the tertiary charges.

Genevieve Gabrielle Plubel d'Avon. Device. Purpure, a horse's head couped argent gorged of a collar Or, a bordure Or semy of grapes purpure.

The head is not gorged of a collar, but rather is issuant from a collar lying along a diagonal. As we have neither any examples of couping on a diagonal, nor any examples of animal heads emerging from a collar, the device is two steps from period practice. Please inform the submitter that couping is a horizontal line, and that the collar should be parallel to and above the line of couping.

Honor Caitlin nic Curtin. Name.

This name has the weirdness of mixing English and Gaelic spelling plus the problem of two given names in Irish. Both problems could be solved by dropping Caitlin, but the submitter allowed no major changes.

Her armory was registered under the holding name Honor of Sundragon.

Johann Wolfgang von Hesse. Device. Argent, a cross quadrate formy fitchy, a chief dovetailed sable.

Conflict with Dorothea of Caer-Myrddin, Argent, a cross patty sable. A comparison of the emblazons shows that the addition of the quadrate is not enough of a change, when used on a formy cross, to generate difference. Therefore, there is a single CD for the addition of the chief.

Kayleigh von Brückenheim. Device. Azure, on a pale between two towers Or an artist's brush and a reed pen inverted in saltire sable. The pen and the brush were difficult to tell apart, particularly as both were drawn as black silhouettes. Therefore, this must be returned for using two similar but non-identical charges on a device (the "sword and dagger" precedent).

Michela Delfino. Device. Azure, a cross argent between in chief two sets of five mullets in saltire Or and in base two dolphins haurient respectant argent. Conflict with Greece (important real-world arms), Azure, a cross argent. There is only a single CD for the addition of the secondary charges.

The following submissions were registered by the College of Arms, May 2000:

Gwynneth Wenche of Wight. Device. Per bend sinister azure and Or, a wooden tankard proper.

Jason Thorne of Antioch. Device change. Per chevron sable and azure, two thespian masks and a scorpion inverted argent.

Please inform the submitter to draw the chevron line so that the lower edges start about a third of the way from the bottom of the shield (without lowering the top point of the chevron). His current device, Quarterly azure and sable, a cross couped between in bend sinister a mask of comedy and a mask of tragedy argent, is released.Wolfgang Williamson. Device. Azure, a pale argent surmounted by two dances counterchanged.

The following submissions were returned for further work by the College of Arms, May 2000:

Sebastiana Gerynot Fanelli. Device. Per pale gules and purpure, on a pale Or between two rapiers inverted proper a jester's bauble proper staffed bendy sinister and hooded per pale gules and purpure.

The jester's bauble is primarily bendy of two colors, which violates RfS VIII.2.a.

A number of commenters also felt it was in conflict with Einar of Ironhold, Sable, on a pale Or, between two swords inverted hilted Or and bladed argent, a staff sable. There is a CD for the field, so the question was whether there was a significant difference between a staff and a jester's bauble to give a second CD for change of type and tincture of the tertiary charges. Normally I am inclined to give a CD between a jester's bauble and a plain staff, barring evidence that they were not independent charges in period. However, it should be noted that Sebastiana's jester's bauble was drawn so that the staff part was unusually prominent. Any resubmission should make the head of the bauble more prominent relative to staff.

I remain,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716

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