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Unto Their Royal Majesties Cosmo Craven and Elzbieta; Lord Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the June 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent. Please have commentary to me by 20 June 2014. Thank you!

Important Announcement: NO SUBMISSION FEES IN CASH SENT IN THE MAIL! EVER!!! Cashier's check! Money Order! Baronial/Local group Check! NO CASH!!!

Kingdom Collegium: There will be an Heraldic Consultation Table at the Kingdom Collegium in the Barony of Atenveldt on Saturday (only), 31 May 2014. Please contact me for more informtion.

Heraldry Hut: Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 20 June, 2014, beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for location and directions.

Please consider the following submissions for the June 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Grigor Montgomery (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly sable and gules, in bend two alphyns Or.

Please don't waste postage or paper. A name submission only needs two completed submission forms. One is kept for the local files. The other if send to me. Those submissions with documentation from the permitted list in SENA can be transferred to the space on the name submission form—please write it there (name, source article, author, URL). Don't send me copies of the article. I get to do the transfer then (really, you can do this), and then THROW AWAY the article). Don't make this difficult, please.

The same holds true for an armorial submission. You keep one of two completed forms for the local files, and the other is sent to Kingdom, PLUS an uncolored/line drawing of the submission. In most cases, all that is really needed are those single pieces of paper, nothing extra like only submissions on a piece of paper (the correctly-colored submission is on the submission form, nothing more). It is best to color submisssions with Crayola markers—they offer the truest, most color-fast tinctures without containing WAX. Wax markers (like crayons) are not permitted.

Back to our regularly-scheduled submissions:

Grigor is a Welsh male given name found in Y Cwtta cyfarwydd: “The chronicle written by the famous clarke, Peter Roberts”, for 1607-1646, p. 43. It is dated to 1613 as a death/burial date for Grigor ap Rees ap M'edd ( Montgomery is a market town found in “Welsh Names from 1602,” Sara L. Uckelman, The client desires a male name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (Welsh) He asks that the name be made authentic for language/culture (Welsh).

Alphyns are listed under Griffins in the A&O. The Pictorial Dictionary notes there are similarities between them and tygers and enfields. It would be wise to check under these monsters for potential conflicts as well.

Gwen Eleri (BoA): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale and per chevron vert and Or, two cinquefoils and a linden tree eradicated all counterchanged.

The name is Welsh. Gwen is a female given name found in “Women's Names in the First Half of 16th Century Wales: Given Names,” Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn,, with citations in 1556 (“Gwen James, lat the wife of James Baker”). Eleri is a river name, cited in “Welsh Names from 1602,” Sara L. Uckelman, I don't know how it might be incorporated into a Welsh name, but it might be a locative for people living on/near the river. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (Welsh).

If this is clear of conflict, it will need to be redrawn, as the per chevron division is far too low; the marks on the submission form is to designate the lower edge of a per bend/sinister line of division, not a per chevron (OTOH, it will allow much more space for the linden tree.

`Izza al-Zarqa' (BoA): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A horse's head erased purpure, maned Or.

The name (with this byname spelling – it was misspelled when submitted, as al-Zaqra' ) was registered July 2012.

The client uses elements of her registered device, Purpure, two horses combattant and a chief Or.

Kýlan Ragnarr (BoA): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Gules, on a pile inverted throughout between two gauntleted fists a Thor's hammer Or.

The name is Old Norse. Both elements are male given names found in “Viking Names found in Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael, I haven't been able to find the construction of an ON name without forming a patronymic from the second element (Ragnarsson here).

As this currently appears, there is a contrast problem with a vert pile inverted and gules field. (A pile is a charge; there isn't a line of division known as 'Per pile (inverted)...'.) This could be remedied by using Per chevron gules and vert..., although it would still be checked for conflict with piles inverted, but if drawn correctly, has a steeper pitch (like a pile inverted) than most chevrons and per chevon lines of division are drawn.

Merrick Dowling (BoA): NEW DEVICE

Sable, on a bend cotised between two death's heads argent, the astronomical sign for Gemini palewise azure.

The name was registered June 2006.

The design is similar to that of his registered badge, Sable, a bend cotised between two death's heads argent.

Merrick Dowling (BoA): NEW BADGE

Sable, on a bend cotised between two death's heads argent, a chain throughout azure.

The name was registered June 2006.

The design is similar to that of his registered badge, Sable, a bend cotised between two death's heads argent.

Nâr Gul `At.t.âr (BoA): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, a cobra erect tail nowed Or and in dexter chief a six-petaled flower argent.

The name is Timurid Persian. Nâr Gul, “pomegranate flower,” is found in “Some Persian Feminine Names and Etymologies From the Timurid Dynasty,” Ursula Georges, (14th-15th C). The occupationsl byname `At.t.âr, “perfumer,” is found in “Persian Masculine Names in the Nafah.ât al-uns,” Ursula Georges, It is found in a 15th C manuscript and is a masculine byname; perhaps it might be a description of a daughter's father, or it might describe the activitis of a woman herself. It would likely to appreciated if the equivalent of the non-diacritically marked name is made available.

The blazon is taken from the registered armory of Livia Alexandra Severa, Gyronny gules and ermine, a cobra erect tail nowed vert.

Wade Greenwall (BoA): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) An annulet beviled eight times Or.

The name was registered June 2013.

Wade Greenwall (BoA): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A die argent enflamed gules.

The name was registered June 2013.

There are some issues here (there are always issues with flames/fire). Enflaming a charge has discreet tufts of flame coming out at various points of the charge, not completely encompassing the charge. This is closer to: (Fieldless) On a flame gules a die argent. In that case, a proper, period flame, with alternately licks of flame next to one another, is used (it reminds me of an aloe plant); it can either alternate Or and gules, or be all Or, or all gules, or another tincture entirely. Barring conflict, either depiction can be used. Also, if desired by the client, the dots can be a different tincture, like sable ('”marked” or “spotted” are included in the blazon – I think I've even heard the term “pipped”).

The following submissions appear in the May 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary provided by Alys Mackyntoich [AM], Aryanhwy merch Catmael (AmC), Aria Gemina Mala [AGM], Gunnvor silfraharr [Gs], Juetta Copin [JC], Mathilda Winter [MW], Michel von Schiltach [MvS], Simeon ben Iucef de Alcacar [SbIdA].

Aindíles Cáel mac Máedóic (Sundragon): New Name and Device: Argent, a chevron cotised azure between three stag's heads erased proper.

I find no conflicts (name or device). [Gs]

<Máedóic> follows the pattern of how other Old and Middle Irish genitives are formed; it's plausible.
According to OCM, <Máedóc> was the name of multiple saints. This should solve any temporal issues that might exist. [AM]

Lovely design, though I would recommend a little more negative space betweem the chevron and the cotise to avoid it being so thin-lined. [SbIdA]

Angus Macaird (Ered Sul): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron azure and vert, on a chevron argent a polypus sable, a bordure argent.

Angus is found as a male given name in Scotland and England in the Family Search Historical Records:

Angus Mcmangus; Male; Christening; 10 Dec 1615; Inverness, Inverness, Scotland; Batch: C11098-7
Angus Mctarliche; Male; Marriage; 16 Apr 1609; Inverness, Inverness, Scotland; Batch: M11098-4
Angus Towlye; Male; 29 Jan 1609; Coningsby, Lincoln, England; Batch: B39474-6

The client's legal surname is Aird. The barony of Aird appears as a place name in a Scots-language record dated to 22 April 1594 in the Records of the Parliaments of Scotland to 1707 database ( Closer to the surname he likes are the documented Scots bynames in the Family Search Historical Records:

George Mccairt; Male; Marriage; 18 Jan 1648; Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland; Batch: M19500-1
James Mccairt; Male; Christening; 08 Jul 1649; Canongate, Edinburgh, Midlothian, Scotland; Batch: C11999-3 [AM]
The client desires a male name. He is most interested in the sound and language/culture of the name (none given). We'd be very happy to see a byname that can incorporate the client's surname Aird if at all possible.

Cathaoir Ruadh (Sundragon): New Name and Device: Argent, a fess sable, overall an enfield rampant between three crescents gules.

I find no conflicts. [Gs]

Confirmed the documentation; the name is correctly formed. [AM]

Here the fess is primary, the crescents secondary, and the overall charge goes last. Blazon-fu: Argent, a fess sable between three crescents and overall an enfield rampant gules. No conflicts found. [Gs] [MvS]
This is really pretty. [AGM]

Emma Makeblise (Sundragon): New Badge: Vert, four pallets argent and overall a ladybug proper, a chief Or.

An overall charge needs to have good contrast with the field. This can be fixed by putting the bug on a field paly vert and argent. [JC]
Concur with Juetta. If there are as many green stripes as white stripes, the field is paly, and thus neutral, which is deemed to have good contrast with colored charges such as the bug, as well as with metal charges such as the chief. The chief could be wider, but uncharged chiefs in period heraldry can often be pretty narrow, and it's unmistakeably a chief.
The Glossary lists no proper coloration for this insect, so we have to specify. The European version is the seven-spotted ladybird. (Ladybug is a U.S. term). The OED gives one period quote using ladybird as a term of endearment from 1597 in Shakespeare's Romeo & Juliet i. iii. 3, "What Lamb, what Ladie bird..Wher's this girle?"
Blazon-fu for a redrawn paly version: Paly vert and argent, a ladybird gules marked sable and a chief Or. I find no conflicts.[Gs]
Or, the style problem can be removed by simply reblazoning this as "Paly vert and argent", as this emblazon is a legal emblazon of that. [AmC]
As blazoned, badge hits 8 elements: or, vert, argent, gules, sable, pallets, ladybird, chief. If it it switched to paly I recommend many fewer repetitions. Also, I think the chief needs a sandwich or two.[AGM]
If this is reblazoned as "Paly vert and argent", then the complexity issue is also resolved; field division isn't counted towards complexity. [AmC] The field was redrawn to even stripes, creating a true paly, and the chief was made wider: thanks to Orle Herald for this. [MMM]

Gabriella le Fevre (Tir Ysgithr): New Name and Device: Vert, a pine tree couped and on a chief embattled argent three thistles proper.

If she would like to use the same capitalization as her husband, she should get a letter attesting to the relationship and invoke the Grandfather Clause. [AM]
The byname appears as <Le Fevre>, dated to 1421, 1423, 1438 in "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael (

Iosif Volkov (Sundragon): Device Change Resubmission from Laurel 2/2014: Paly gules and argent, on a pile azure a lightning bolt palewise Or.

SFPP for the lightning bolt sans thunderbolt, but I believe it to just be the one- also, isn't that pile cotised? [MW]

Is a pile a two-sided ordinary? We don't allow cotises/endorses on chiefs, flaunches, or bases, so I suspect that we don't allow cotising on a pile, either. With a two-sided ordinary, the cotise/endorse is a diminuitive of the ordinary, thus a pale is endorsed with two pallets, a fess cotised with two bars, a bend cotised with two bendlets. This pile is cotised with a chevronel inverted. I see no conflicts whether there is a cotise or not.
Blazon-fu (if cotising a pile is valid): Paly gules and argent, on a pile cotised azure a lightning bolt palewise Or. [Gs]

The pile is cotised. The restriction on cotising is not to "two-sided ordinaries" but rather to "non-peripheral" ordinaries. A pile cotised is no problem. [AmC]

Mikel Draco Aurelius (Sundragon): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, 6/2008

Azure, a sea-dragon erect Or and in sinister chief a mullet argent.

The original name submission, Mikel Aurellind, had a number of issues (Mikel was cited as Germanic with a URL that I was unable to find; it is supposedly listed under "Renaissance German Names." Aurellind appears to be a coined byname, with Aurel as German and Romanian form of the Roman (Latin) Aurelius, meaning "golden." Lind is from an old German element lind, "serpent, dragon"; the sources is . The many German names papers at the Medieval Names Archive consistently show the German form of Michael as Michel. Mikel of Perth was fairly recently registered via Atenveldt, and that spelling was demonstrated as a 15th-16th C. Swedish name. I tend to doubt that an aur- element is German for gold(en); the German is gold. )

The original device submission, Azure a sea-serpent erect ondoyant Or., was returned for likely conflict with Daffyd ap Caradoc, Sable, a wingless, legless hydra, tail nowed Or.; 1 CD for the field + no CD for the nowing of the tail + no CD for posture or orientation + no CD for number of heads = 1 CD, so there is a possible conflict; and with Bedivere de Byron: Azure, a serpent entwined around a trident palewise Or., with 1 CD for the addition of a co-primary charge.

Well. That was several years and a reworking of the Rules for Submission, so maybe there are less alarms this time. (And thank Heaven for the IGI Familysearch!). Mikel is a male German given name, dated to 1577 as a birthdate for Mikel Wolff, "Germany Births and Baptisms, 1558-1898", Batch C93406-1 ( Draco is German given name dated to 1546, under the header Drake (Seibicke, Band 1 A-E), Historisches Deutsches Vornamenbuch, 1996). Aurelius is a German byname dated to 1618 for Gilgen Aurelius (the father of the groom in the entry for Hannss Haidlin and Schnuppen, “Germany Marriages, 1558-1929”), Batch M95139-1 ( The client desires a male name and is most interested in the meaning of the name (Michael Gold Dragon). He will not accept Major Changes to the name.

The addition of the secondary charge appears to clear the issues of the past without raising new conflicts.

Revina Colquhoun (Sundragon): NAME RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, 4/2014

The original submission, Rowena Colquhoun, was returned as Rowena has been ruled no longer SCA-compatible (there really is no such thing as “SCA-compatible” anymore: it either meets the requirements set forth in SENA and can be registered, or not). Revina is a female given name dated to 1600 (christening date) in Wiltshire, England, Batch C01937-1, found in “Scotland, Births and Baptisms, 1564-1950” ( Colquhoun a Lowland Scottish name and is dated to 1610 christening date, found in the same source, Batch C11918-2 ( The client will not accept Major Changes to the name.

Rosamund Sanburne (Sundragon): New Badge: Checky argent and azure, a squirrel sejant erect sustaining a threaded needle inverted Or.

I believe there is a conflict: (Fieldless) A squirrel sejant erect Or. [Alasdair MacEogan, LOAR 02/1997]. There is one for the field. While the maintained needle is about as tall as the squirrel, it's many times narrower, and I don't see it as a sustained secondary. [Gs] I redrew this, making the squirrel larger and the needle LARGER. I'm hoping that this makes the needle inarguably sustained. [MMM]

Sorcha inghen Chon Mhara (Sundragon): New Badge:Argent, a sea-hedgehog erect gules maintaining a threaded drop spindle sable, a bordure gules.

Very cute beastie! [JC]

Blazon-fu: Argent, a sea-urchin erect gules maintaining a full drop spindle sable and a bordure gules. I find no conflicts. [Gs]

The client prefers the primary charge to be blazoned as a sea-hedgehog. [MMM]

Thorfinn Thorfinsson the Lucky (Sundragon): New Name and Device: Per chevron gules mullety argent and azure a chevron Or, in base in bend a mask of comedy and a mask of tragedy argent.

In Old Norse, I'd expect this name to be <Þórfinnr inn heppni Þórfinnsson>. Lingua Anglica and dropping special characters should give us <Thorfinnr the lucky Thorfinnsson>. We should not need to go to Uckleman, Geirr Bassi has both names and the construction method. I find no conflicts. [Gs] I'd think as an anglicized form of the name, the given + family name comes first as a “unit,” and the description of the person (as a locative, occupation byname or other descriptive) would be at the end of the name phrase, as is seen here. [MMM]

Specifically, <Þofinnr> is found as a male given name at p. 16 of Geirr Bassi, and <inn heppni> is found at p. 22. [AM]

Blazon-fu: Per chevron gules mullety argent and azure, a chevron Or and in base in bend a mask of comedy and a mask of tragedy argent.. I would suggest feeding the chevron some Charge Chow, it's a bit on the thin side. I find no conflicts. [Gs]

The masks and stars are in a single charge group, but they are not in a unified arrangement. Also, the masks are slightly tilted. [JC]

Zoe of Alexandria (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel 11/13: Lozengy argent and sable, a phoenix gules and a chief sable.

The name was registered November 2013.

The original submission, Lozengy sable and argent, a phoenix gules., was returned for conflict with the device of Morgan Morfydd Gwilym, Pean, a phoenix displayed gules, issuant from flames, maintaining in its beak a dexter hand couped proper. There is a DC for the change in field, but nothing for the maintained hand or tincture of the phoenix. As flames proper are considered to be half Or and half gules, Morgan's phoenix is therefore considered entirely gules for purposes of difference.” Adding the chief resolves the conflict.

The following submissions were returned for further work, May 2014:

Ríán hua Tadgáin (Tir Ysgithr): Device Resubmission from Laurel 3/2014

Sable, a pall inverted between a mask of comedy and a mask of tragedy and an edelweiss argent, seeded Or.

Is there a slot machine problem here with the mask + mask + edelweiss? [MW]
Slot machine requires three types of charges in the same charge group (SENA A.3.D.2.a, The markings on the mask amount to no more than artistic detail, so this is not slot machine. Consider: Sable, a pall inverted between three death's heads, each wearing a rounded helm with coif, all argent. [Daemon de Folo, LOAR 01/1984]. There's a difference for the type of secondaries. Do we count vesting as a tertiary? if so, the mailed helms add one more. [Gs]
Caps, hats, collars, vesting, etc., are counted as maintained charges. That's a conflict. [AmC]
The blazon calls for the edelweiss to be seeded Or, but the emblazon has it argent throughout. Which does the client request? [SbIdA] Oops, that was overlooked, and the seed chould be colored Or. [MMM]
Human heads, human skull, and masks all have their separate categories in the A&O, and no Human Skulls overlap into Masks (or vice versa). This would suggest that they are completely different charges. Still is complete difference of charge type clear a conflict when the field and primary charges are identical, and the secondary group is identical in number and tincture, the only difference being in type of charges? Even if the masks are clear of skulls and human heads/faces, this is in conflict with Daemon de Folo, with only 1 DC for the typ of secondary charges used...nothing more for tincture or number. [MMM]

RETURNED for conflict.

Thank you all for your continuing hard work for the Atenveldt College of Heralds and the people of Atenveldt! I hope to see some of you at the Known World Heraldic and Scribal Symposium in the Kingdom of Caid this month!

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

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