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Unto Their Royal Majesties Arthur and Gabriela; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the June 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation (published a few days before June, as there are many submissions to be considered upon it). It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. Where there any submissions this month, know that I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! Groups

( ) and post there. (Commentary is likely be included in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!)

Please have commentary to me for those submissions under consideration for the June 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent by 10 June 2011. Thanks!

Upcoming Consultation Table: There will be a Kingdom Heraldic Consultation Table at Kingdom Collegium on Saturday, 4 June (Barony of Sundragon/Wickenburg AZ). If you can spend a little time with consultations (or if you have clients that you'd like to steer in the Table's direction), you are very welcome to sit on the “heralds' side” to the Table!

Many thanks to the folks who “hung out” at the Consultation Table at Atenveldt Coronation (Honour, Helena, Symond, Seamus mac Raian and Heraldic Hubbies Colm and Raffaele – waves to Seamus Aten and Christmas, too!). Business was a little slow at first (rumor has it there were Courts going on – can you believe it?), but folks did eventually find us, and quite a bit of business was transacted, heraldry was discussed, and a good time was had by all. Thanks also to the event steward Lady Nefratiri Ani for providing us accommodations (and great air conditioning!) for the Table.

Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well (i.e., within one month of receiving a submissions packet). If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month (yes, that's important!) of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 24 June; this is one week later than the usual meeting. For more information, directions, etc., please contact me at your convenience ( ).

Thanks to the usual suspects at the May Heraldry Hut (Colm, Elnor, Helena, Honour, Nest and Raffaele), for an evening of coloring and generally staying inside the lines!

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Please consider the following submissions for the June 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Aurelia Nomadikη (Barony of Ateneveldt): NEW BADGE

Gules, a Greek helmet Or crested gules within an annulet Or.

The name was registered January 2008.

Although this has a tincture problem with the gules crest on the gules field, this wouldn't be a problem (conflicts aside for the moment) with an argent crest; if it were placed on a differently-tinctured field (say, azure), the argument for having a neutral charge (half Or, half gules) would likely be valid, too.

Curlew Drogheala (Ered Sul): NEW CHANGE OF DEVICE

Argent, in pale a raven statant upon and pecking a single-horned anvil reversed sable issuant from flames gules.

The name was registered August 1972.

If registered, the client wishes to retain his currently-registered device, Per fess argent and vert, a doebird curlew [Phaeopus borealis] close affrontée, head to sinister, proper perched upon two rocks issuant from base Or., as a badge.

Honour Grenehart (Granite Mountain): NEW BADGE

Argent, on a chief embattled sable three mullets Or.

The name was registered January 1999.

Jacquelin of Normandy (Sundragon): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, Manoir Du Rose Blanc, AND NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) Two rosebuds slipped and leaved, crossed in saltire, argent.

The personal name was registered August 1989.

The household name is said to mean “White Rose Manor.” Manoir: French for manor, a fortified country house in western Europe, lowest unit of territorial organization in the Feudal system of Europe (and the documentation comes from...). This is very likely unregisterable, being too evocative of the Order of the Rose: “Séamus mac Inneirghe. Household name House Green Rose. This name is too evocative of the Order of the Rose to be registered. Precedent states: [House Whitrose] Per VI. 4. Other Presumptuous Names - Some names not otherwise forbidden by these rules are nevertheless too evocative of widely known and revered protected items to be registered.

Such items include the peerage orders of the Society and such well-known items outside the Society as the Order of the Garter. The House of the Rose and Laurel does not conflict with the Order of the Rose or the Order of the Laurel, but it is too evocative of both to be registered. Similarly, the Award of the Blue Garter is too evocative of the Order of the Garter, whose badge is a blue garter.

This is too close to the Society Peerage order, Order of the Rose, to be registered. (Jaelle of Armida, LoAR April 1998, p. 22)

House Green Rose and House Whitrose have the same level of difference from the Order of the Rose. Therefore, House Green Rose is too evocative of Order of the Rose to be registered. [May 2003 LoAR]”

A name that used “flower” or “bloom” or “blossom” in it might work as an alternative.

Rosebuds have been prohibited since November 1994. Garden roses (as these seem to be) can be registered, but they are only blazoned as roses, with no distinction between them and heraldic roses):

“The commentary is in, with a clear majority of commenters in favor of adopting Baron Bruce's proposal that we continue to accept garden roses in SCA armory, but simply blazon them as roses. As a consequence, we will immediately and henceforth blazon a rose, whether the default heraldic rose or the garden rose, as a rose.

“Commentary was nearly as strong in favor of banning garden rosebuds from armory. Consequently, we will accept whatever garden rosebuds may be in LoIs issued before December 1994, but no further registrations of this charge will be made.[November 1994 LoAR.]”

Jakob inn rammi (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2011

Per bend gules and sable, a sword argent, winged Or.

The name was registered January 2011.

The previous submission, Gules, a sword argent, winged Or., was returned for conflict with the device of Brand Armand of Lancaster, Gules, a winged sword Or. There is a CD for the change of tincture of the sword, but no other CD. There was also a conflict with the device of Michael MacPherson, Gules, a sword argent between in fess two wings displayed and in chief two escallops inverted Or between two more argent. There is a single CD for removing the escallops, but nothing for the lack of conjoining of the primary charges.

Lillian Fionn (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly purpure and sable, a lily argent, slipped and leaved vert, a bordure argent.

Lillian is found as a feminine given name in Withycombe, 3rd edition, p. 196 s.n. Lil(l)ian; it says the header names "probably originated as pet-forms of Elizabeth", and continues with "Lillian is found as a christian name in England in the 16th C". The entry also mentions the surname Lilion, which occurs "as early as 1273 and looks like a diminutive in -on of Lily." This surname is also found in R&W p. 279 s.n. Liley, with Geoffrey Lilion dated to 1279. The name has been registered as recently as February 2010, to Lillian Lytle. Fionn is an Irish Gaelic masculine descriptive, “fair (complexion),” according to “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Masculine Descriptive Bynames,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( ). It is also found as Fian, with reference to Fionn meaning fair, in “Names and Naming Practices in the Fitzwilliam Accounts from 16th Century Ireland,” Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( ). In “Names and Naming Practices in the Red Book of Ormond (Ireland 14th Century): Name Patterns,” Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( ), the author says, in regard to womens' names with Irish elements, “ English given name followed by a single Irish byname; Evota Oge...”. It seems that the byname might have to be feminized (I'm basing this on Evota's byname being “young,” or Og in Irish Gaelic). The client desires a female and and is most interested in the language/culture of the name.

Lora of the Four Paws (Ered Sul): NEW DEVICE

Argent, a dog statant contourny gules and in chief four paw prints in fess sable.

The name was registered April 2010.

The client is aware that the Doberman is a post-period breed, and if necessary, she will accept a talbot on her device. Although I haven't found the primary citation for it, several sites online mention that the Romans docked the tails of dogs as a means of preventing rabies (!)...all righty then.

Mathias MacCumhail (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend sinister gules and sable, three hearts in bend sinister between two tygers rampant in bend argent.

Matheus (a Latinized form) is dated to the 14th C. in “Dated Names Found in Ó Corráin & Maguire's Irish Names,” Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada ( ). This also seems to be one of the several period English forms of Matthew (Mathias not being one of them), according to Withycombe, 3rd edition, pp. 213-214. However, Withycombe does cite Matthias as a Latin form, in the header and text. MacCumhail/MacCumhal is probably best known at the byname for the Irish hero Finn Mac Cumhal/Finn Mac Cool), whose father was Cumhal Mac Baiscne. The name is absent in Black and in Ó Corráin and Maguire and has never been registered by the SCA College of Arms, so it seems unlikely to be a common period name, rather one used by a legendary/mythical figure alone. The client was made aware of possible problems with the byname and would accept with M'Cooel or M'Coole (both at (p. 353, Mac D.ub.gaill (Mac Dhubhgaill)), found in “16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe,” Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada

( ). The client desires a male name and is most interested in the spelling.

Philipp von Eisenberg (Mons Tonitrus): NEW BADGE

Argent, in pale cauldron sable maintaining flames gules and three chevronels braced, a bordure sable.

The name was registered April 2005.

While the cauldron is enflamed, its flames are in the “usual place” where one would expect flames to be, not small tongues all over the charge (i.e., not a kitchen catastrophe).

Rhona Carmyllie (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable on an olive tree Or an owl contourny purpure, and on a chief Or three horses' heads couped sable.

Rhona is a feminine given name found in Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Given Names, 3rd edition, p. 253, cited as a rare name and a possible pet form of the Welsh Rhonwen. Carmyllie is found in Black, The Surnames of Scotland, p. 136, dated to 1579, “of local origin from Carmyllie in Angus.” Unforunately, the names Rowena/Rowan/Rhonwen have a very sketchy background (read, they were highly unlikely names/not used in period), as noted in “Concerning the Names Rowena, Rowan, and Rhonwen, . The feminine English given name Roana, is dated to 1212, which might be an option. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the meaning of the name. She will not accept Major Changes to the name, with the exception of the following: Rhona as her first choice of given name, Rhowena as her second choice.

Sean South (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME CHANGE, from Sean of the South, and TWO JOINTLY-HELD NEW BADGES with Elaria filia Robert.

(Badge 1) Quarterly vert and Or, a pale counterchanged.

(Badge 2) Per saltire vert and Or, in pale two ermine spots Or.

Elaria's name was registered May 2006.

Seán is an Early Modern Irish Gaelic masculine name, c. 1200-1700, found in “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Seán (Seóan),” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, . South is an English surname dated with this spelling to 1297 (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 418 s.n. South). The combination of Irish Gaelic and English name elements is one step from period practice. If registered, the client wishes to retain his currently-registered name, Sean of the South, as an alternate name.

The blazon of Badge 2 might be further simplified to Per saltire vert and Or, two ermine spots Or.

Seraphina Jameson (Windale): NEW DEVICE

Vert, an open book Or charged with a domestic cat dormant gardant sable, an orle Or.

The name was registered June 2010.

Starri Rauđa Bj{o,} rnsson (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, two chevonels azure between a mullet of four points and a bear's head couped closed contourny sable.

The name is Old Norse, with all elements found in “The Old Norse Name,” Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. Starri is a masculine given name, p. 8. Rauđa- is found on p. 26, “iron ore”; it seems to be a protheme, and I don't know if it can stand alone as a descriptive term. Geirr Bassi's discussion on nicknames, pp. 18-19, notes that some nicknames precede the given name (are prefixes). They can be used by both men and women, sometimes as a single word, but more often with hyphen, as Rauđa-Starri. [Note that the weird letter -đ- is the eth, which takes the sound of the th- found in “these” or “those.”] Bj{o,} rn is a masculine given name, p. 8. It appease that from the formation of patronymics (pp. 17-18), the genitive form of -bj{o,} rn is -bjarnar, so the correct form of “son of Bjorn” is Bjarnarson. (Old Norse is so weird.) The client desires a male name, and is most interested in the meaning and language/culture of the name.

Starri Rauđa Bj{o,} rnsson (Sundragon): NEW JOINTLY-HELD BADGE with Valdís Eiriksdðóttir

Per pale argent and sable, a bear rampant counterchanged and in dexter chief a mullet of four points sable.

Nothing is mentioned in the blazon of the demi-roundel, and I'm confounded as to how to blazon it. On the other hand, having a “simple” divided field with the counterchanged charges is pretty sharp-looking.

Tiberius Octavius Bellicianus (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron inverted Or and gules, in chief a manta ray sable.

The name is Latin, and all elements are found at . Tiberius is a praenomen, Octavius is a nomen, and Bellicianus is a cognomen; this is constructed in the “classic” manner for a three-part Roman name. The client desiried a male name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name. He will not accept Major Changes to the name.

Valdís Eiriksdóttir (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, a horse's head erased sable and in dexter chief a mullet of four points gules.

The name is Old Norse, with all elements found in “The Old Norse Name,” Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. Valdís is a feminine given name, p. 15. Eiríkr is a masculine given name, p. 9. The formation of the patronymic follows the construction seen on p. 17, when a name ending in -r usually becomes -s in the genitive case. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the sound of the name.

With the head tucked so far against the neck, identification of the horse is very difficult. A clean, clear profile is necessary for quick identification of charges (see the horse heads on Rhona Carmyllie's device submission ). The neck is neither couped (cut off clean straight across; again, see Rhona's device) nor erased (“torn off,” with several jags). Either can be used, but one has to be chosen.

William mac Coluim (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, in cross three compass stars and a phoenix, a bordure rayonny argent.

William is a masculine English given name, introduced by the Normans (Withycombe, 3rd edition, pp. 293-4); it is also the client's legal given name (photocopy of driver's license provided to Laurel). Colum is a masculine Middle Irish Gaelic name (c.900-c.1200), found in “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Columb,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( ). The genitive form is Coluim. The name is constructed as a simple patronymic, as seen in “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names ,” 3rd Edition, Sharon Krossa ( ), “William, son of Colum” (the client's father is Colum Mac Eoghain ui Neill) . The combination of English and Irish Gaelic name elements is one step from period practice. The client desires a male name and is most interested in the sound of the name. He will not accept Major Changes to the name.

[These submissions supersede ones submitted under the name Liam Duib Mac Colum.]

The following submissions appear in the June 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary is provided by Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Helena de Argentoune [HdA] and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].

Cáelinn ingen Chatháin (Mons Tonitrus): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2011: Argent, two axes crossed in saltire and on a point pointed vert a rapier inverted Or.

The emblazon does not match the blazon given. This is "Per chevron argent and vert", not "Argent, a point pointed vert", and the sword is argent, not Or. Was the correct emblazon put on the LoI? Assuming it was, then this should be blazoned: "Per chevron argent and vert, two axes in saltire and a rapier inverted counterchanged." No conflicts found. [AmC] Nuts, I just cut-and-pasted the original blazon of the original submission (which was returned for redrawing) here. I also noted too late to include in the LoP that the tinctures used have gone from the original Or and vert to argent and vert; I've contacted her local herald to double-check on this. [MMM]

Honour Grenehart (Granholme): NEW ALTERNATE NAME, Umm Sitt al-Jami' `Ismat al-Nabila

The primary persona name was registered January 1999. The alternate name Umm Sitt al-Jami' `Ismat was registered July 2009. The client wishes to add the al-Nabila, “the honourable/ the highborn,” to the alternate name. Al-Nabil is a masculine laqab, a combination of words into a byname or epithet, usually religious, relating to nature, a descriptive, or of some admirable quality the person had (or would like to have); it is found in “Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices,” Da'ud ibn Auda ( ). Da'ud notes in his article that “many of the masculine given names can be feminized by the addition of "a" or "ah" to the end (for example, the masculine Khalid can be found feminized as Khalida(h),” hence al-Nabil becoming al-Nabila. The author specifically notes that this is not a name denoting rank, although it could be argued that the client is Honour(able) and is also a Companion of the Crescent (which carries a Grant of Arms), 13 June 1999. The client doesn't care about the gender of the name, although Umm, “mother of,” would make it a feminine one.

Is this a new alternate name, or a change of her current name? The name <Khattab al-Nabil> was registered on the 08/2008 LoAR (via Northshield), without any comment on possible presumption; I don't see any problem with the addition of it here. [AmC] For the time being, she's retaining Umm Sitt al-Jami' `Ismat as an alternate name. [MMM]

Kendrick MacBain (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2011: Per bend sinister Or and vert, a wooden stick shuttle bendwise sinister proper and an awl bendwise sinister point to base argent.

The original submisison was returned “because the charge in base was not identifiable solely by its appearance, as required by section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions. Many of them thought it was a spoon. Additionally, while the charge does have the outline of a perfectly functional modern awl, there was no evidence provided that this form of awl was a medieval form, though commenters provided several period depictions. Section VII.3 of the Rules for Submissions requires artifacts to be drawn in their medieval forms. Please refer the submitter to the August 2005 LoAR, which include two images of acceptable awls depicted under the returns for the badge of Gwenlian Catharne, at” The client has chosen one of the awls suggested by the College of Arms.

Randolph Caparulo (Mons Tonitrus): NEW DEVICE: Per pale and chevronelly inverted Or and azure.

This is probably clear of Kotek Torzhokskoi (reg. 07/2009 via Lochac), "Chevronelly inverted gules and Or," with one CD for changing half the tincture, and another for having the per pale line. [AmC]

Stella Dellaluna (Brymstone): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Purpure mullety, a schneke issuant from sinister Or.

The byname is not correctly formed. It should be <della Luna>: "Submitted as Francesca Dellaluna, the citation for DELLALUNA in the cited documentation represents the byname della Luna, not Dellaluna. We have made this correction to the name." [Francesca della Luna, LoAR 10/2009, Meridies-A]

Clear of <Stella de Lundeia> (reg. 10/2003 via Ansteorra), as <Luna> and <Lundeia> are significantly different in sound and appearance.

Note that the name is not "Northern Italian" as claimed on the LoI, but is a combination of Venetian (northern) and Florentine/Tuscan

(central). This is not a bar to registration, but if the submitter thinks her name is appropriate for northern Italy, she should be informed. In fact the entire name can be placed in Florence; Juliana de Luna's "Names in 15th Century Florence and her Dominions: the Condado" ( has three examples of <Stella>. [AmC] The client only stipulated Italian. I went ahead and misspoke as to making it more regional, and that the documentation provided for the given name showed it as a Venetian name. [MMM]

Typo in the blazon: "schnecke". This is not a correctly drawn schnecke; see, e.g., the device of Alexander Ben Avram in OSCAR: for a properly drawn one. Or the arms of Agatha the Wanderer:

The use of schnecke with a secondary charge is a SFPP: "There is a step from period practice for the use of a schnecke and a secondary charge, by precedent: " we know of no period examples of schneckes with secondary or tertiary charges, we find the use of both in this device to be two steps beyond period practice. We may allow secondary or tertiary charges with a schnecke, but we doubt that the use of either is period practice. [Adriona Nichole la rousse de Beauvoir, November 2000, R-Atenveldt]

Since there is only a single step, this device is registerable." [Alexander ben Avram, August 2010, A-Outlands]

This is clear of Alexander's device, "Purpure, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief, in dexter chief a mullet of six points Or," with one CD for the placement of the schnecke and another for the number of mullets. [AmC]

Victoria of the Vales of Barnsdale (Tir Ysgithr): AUGMENTATION RESUBMISSION from Laurel, March 2011: Or, an insect-winged naked woman passant, wings chased, azure, and as an augmentation on a canton azure in pale a coronet and a sun in his glory within an orle Or.

The name and device were registered March 1981. The client is a Viscountess of the Sun (12 April 1980) and has served as the Baroness of Tir Ysgithr (2 September 1995), allowing her to display a coronet. She received the Augmentation of Arms 9 January 1993.

The previous augmentation submission, Or, an insect-winged naked woman passant, wings chased, azure, and as an augmentation on a canton azure in pale a coronet and a sun in his glory issuant from base Or within a bordure argent., was returned for the following reasons:

“Three questions were asked when this was pended from the September 2010 LoAR, though we will address them in a different order than they were asked.

“First, should the augmentation be allowed to have minimal contrast with the underlying design? Since we have only a single period example of an augmentation that does not have good contrast with the underlying design, augmentations in the SCA may not break the Rule of Tincture with respect to the underlying device. This upholds the following precedent:

“The basic question raised by this submission is can an augmentation break the rule of tincture? ... only one example of period use of an augmentation breaking the rule of tincture was found. Barring documentation of large numbers of period augmentations that break the rule of tincture, we are unwilling to register this practice. (LoAR August 1997 p. 26)

“Therefore, this augmentation is returned because the argent bordure of the augmentation has insufficient contrast with the Or field of the base armory.

“Secondly, the question was asked whether or not coronets are usable in augmentations. Victoria is allowed to have a coronet on her arms, as she is a viscountess. We are extending this permission to explicitly allow coronets on augmentations for anyone who is allowed to display a coronet in their base armory. However, adding the coronet to the augmentation means that it is not the standard augmentation of Atenveldt. Standard augmentations must be used exactly as they are designated by the kingdom. Since this is not the kingdom augmentation, the augmentation conflicts with the standard augmentation of the kingdom of Atenveldt. Since Victoria was awarded her augmentation by the kingdom of Atenveldt, there is implicit permission to conflict, and this is not an issue.

“Additionally, since the augmentation is not the kingdom augmentation, it must be conflict checked normally. Because it needs to be conflict checked, it was asked if the Or charges on the augmentation were primary and secondary charges, or if they were co-primary charges, since this decision changes what it conflicts with. Even though the sun issues from the edge of the field, commenters agreed that the sun and coronet are co-primary charges. Therefore, this augmentation is in conflict with the device of Reneé d'Avranches, Azure, two garbs in pale Or and a bordure argent. Since there are three types of charge on Victoria's augmentation (sun, coronet, bordure), the two may not be compared using section X.2 of the Rules for Submissions. There is, therefore, a single CD for completely changing the types of the primary charge group. Therefore, since augmentations must themselves be clear of conflict, the submission is also returned for this reason.”

In short, the submission was returned for inadequate contrast of the augmentation with the field and for conflict of the augmentation itself.

The augmentation has been redesigned to provide good contrast with the field and to clear any conflicts.

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street , Tucson AZ 85716

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