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Unto Their Royal Majesties Tristan and Damiana; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the June 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! groups

( ) and post there. (Any commentary is likely be included in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!) Please have commentary to me by 15 June 2010.

Consulation Table: There will be an Heraldic Consultation Table at the Kingdom Collegium, to be held in Mons Tonitrus (Sierra Vista AZ) June 12-13. At this time, it will be a definite on Saturday (June 12). I don't know whether there will be interest or staffing sufficient for it to be run on Sunday (we'd be day-tripping both days, hence the rather nebulous Sunday schedule). If folks can let me know if they're attending the Collegium and whether they'd be able to spend a few hours doing consulting, it'll give me a much better idea of how to schedule things, whether we should count on one day or two. This is a great opportunity to meet your fellow heralds and if you're new-ish, how to get a handle on consulting with heraldic clients. It's a lot calmer than the Consultation Table at Estrella (as a rule).

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 18 June, beginning at 7:30 PM.

Submissions Forms: There is a continuing, serious problem with clients using obsolete submissions forms. Don't think we can fudge our way through the College of Arms using old forms – we can't. Even the “most recent” old forms have resulted in the return of a submission for Administrative reasons alone: the submission process stops entirely, and the submission is returned if this error is made, even if the submission itself would otherwise be registered.

The current forms, the only ones that are approved for use by the S.C.A. College of Arms, can be found at the Atenveldt Submissions website, All current forms should have in the lower right-hand corner: Laurel v. 2.0; Atenveldt v2.1 (Laurel Approved [26 Jun 2008]) . If it doesn't, DO NOT USE THIS FORM. Laurel will return the submission. I will return the submission.

I've received several submissions this month on obsolete forms, one through a baronial office, the other directly from a client. No one needs this additional hassle.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

SCA College of Arms Actions: Atenveldt results from the February 2010 Laurel meetings (the October 2009 Atenveldt LoI) are found at the end of this report.

Please consider the following submissions for the May 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Asdis Ivarsdottir (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron purpure and argent, two roses and a horse salient inverted counterchanged.

The name is Old Norse. Documentation states that Asids is a traditional Icelandic feminine name and can be found in “The Old Norse Name,” Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. Actually, the name cited in Geirr Bassi is Ásdís (yes, diacritical marks are important in ON – see the return of Bjorn Bloodax's name submission at the end of this report). Ivar is a masculine given name found in the same source, and again, the citation in Geirr Bassi is Ívarr. The byname is correctly constucted (although it would be Ívarsdóttir). The name is fine without the diacriticals because it is submitted completely without them, but I'm being niggly here because if there'd been an incorrect mix of them, the submission would have to be returned: the client allows no Major or Minor changes, and Minor changes include correcting/amending accents and punctuation. She also desires a female name and is most interested in the spelling of the name.

Cecilia Svensdottir (Brymstone): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, a sinister bat wing azure issuant from a dexter tierce wavy very scaly argent.

Cecilia is a popular English feminine name, dated with this spelling 1154 through 1428 (“Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surname,” Talan Gwynek, ). It is also found as a Swedish feminine given name in “Swedish Feminine Names from ca. 1300,” Lindorm Eriksson ( ). Sven is an Old Swedish masculine given name, from the ON Sveinn (The Viking Answer Lady website, , s.n. Sweinn). The byname is constructed in the manner shown in Geirr Bassi Haraldsson's The Old Norse Name. The client desires a female name and a Swedish byname.

Hrefna Gandalfsdottir (Brymstone): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2010

Argent, a raven sable and a base wavy azure.

The name was registered March 2006.

The previous submission, Argent, a raven sable., was returned for multiple conflicts.

Isolde Monroe (Brymstone): NEW NAME

Isolde is an English feminine given name, one of the many forms of the Isolda names. Withycombe dates this spelling to the 15th C. (3rd edition, pp. 166-7 s.n. Isolda). Monroe may be a post-period form of the Scots surname Monro; it is spelled as Monro 1541 and 1549, and Monrow 1505 in “Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names, Draft Edition,” Sharon L. Krossa ( ). The client would much rather have the spelling as Monroe or Munroe. She is most interested in the Sound of the name.

James Dawysoun (Brymstone): NEW NAME CHANGE, from Eilionora inghean Daibhídh mhic Con Mhara

Eilionora inghean Daibhídh mhic Con Mhara appears in the 20 March 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Intent, itself a name change from the registered Els Wolffleinin; if that name change is registered, the client wishes to retain both Els and Eilionora as alternate names and designate James as her primary persona name.

James is found as both a masculine and a feminine (cited in 1503) given name in “Early 16th Century Scottish Lowland Names, Draft Edition,” Sharon L. Krossa ( ). Dawysoun is a variation of the Scots Davison, dated to 1464 in “Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue: Davison,” Sara L. Uckelman ( ). The client cares most about the language/culture of the name (late 15th C./early 16th C Lowlands Scot); she will not accept Major changes to the name.

Rhodri Longshanks (Sundragon): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2009

Counterermine, a double tressure surmounted by six rustres Or.

The name was registered March 1987.

The previous submission, Counterermine, a double tressure surmounted by six roundels Or., was returned for presumption. “Unfortunately, this depiction of lines surmounted by roundels is a period stylization for chain, seen frequently in the arms of Navarre both during and post period.” This is a slight redesign to resolve that issue.

The use of a tressure surmounted by a group of any charge other than a fleur-de-lys is a step from period practice.

Rhodri Longshanks: NEW BADGE

Argent, on a torteau an ermine spot Or, a double tressure surmounted by six rustres azure.

The use of a tressure surmounted by a group of any charge other than a fleur-de-lys is a step from period practice. If registered, the client wishes to release the badge Argent, on a torteau an ermine spot Or, a double tressure surmounted by six crescents with horns outward azure., registered July 2009.

Thordis Andenhojttaler (Ered Sul): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, in pale a mullete of nine points and a Thor's hammer argent.


Thordis is an Old Norse feminine name that is found in “The Old Norse Name,” Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. Actually, the name cited in Geirr Bassi is Þórdís. The byname Andenhojttaler is a descriptive byname/nickname. From, anden, “spirit”' hojttalar, “speaker.” These are cited as Norwegian terms. Norwegian isn't Old Norse, and I don't know if they are compatible, particularly in a temporal sense. A note from the client says that she'd like the nickname/descriptive “spirit talker.” E.V. Gordon's An Introduction to Old Norse shows spirit as andi, and tala as “to talk, converse.” I don't know how these ON elements might be cobbled into a reasonable byname, and bear in mind that although descriptive bynames are seen in ON names, those found associated with “real people” (as opposed to being those ascribed to people in stories or legends) are somewhat more concrete and pragmatic. While the client is willing to drop by nickname if registering the name is a problem, dropping it would result in a single-element name, which cannot be registered. Geirr Bassi demonstrates a single appearance of the term sjóna (female seer) and a single appearance of spákona (female prophet). Neither have been used in SCA names thus far, but they might be reasonable alternatives. Maybe a byname that suggests a female poet of the time, skáld (skálda?), one who might tell tales of those who have lived but are now dead, might work. The client desires a female name and will not accept Major changes to the name.

The following submissions appear in the May 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary is provided by Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Helena de Argentoune [HdA], Michael Gerard Curtememoire [MGC], Nest verch Rodri ap Madyn [NRM] and Marta [MMM].

Beverly FitzAlan de Stirkelaunde (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Vert, a mourning dove vigilant between flaunches argent.

I see no hope for the name Beverly, she needs to find another name she likes. FitzAlan is dated to 1416 in Reaney and Wilson. I did not find her spelling of de Strkelaunde - I did find de Strikeland in Reaney and Wilson which dates it to 1278. I have questions on the armoury - is having the feather and the "ribbon" the same tincture allowed? I feel they get lost in each other. Also what is the reasoning behind the raised leg on the bird? It is clear from a distance that the leg IS raised and (for me) wouldn't make a clear CD if that was the goal. [NRM] It seems that the 16th C. dates from the LDS records do demonstrate Beverly as a feminine given name. I suspect the client just likes the look of the raised leg. [MMM]

Birds with one leg raised are just blazoned as "close": "The raven was originally blazoned with its dexter talon raised. This detail has been ruled unblazonable in the past: "A bird passant, that is to say, with one leg raised, is considered an unblazoned variant of close" (LoAR February 1996, p. 1). Quite a few period birds close are drawn with one leg raised to some degree, especially massive birds such as cocks, hens and swans. Perhaps this is because the bird better fills the space at the bottom of the shield when drawn with one leg raised." [LoAR

02/2002, Branwen of Werchesvorde, Atenveldt-A] I found no conflicts with the device. [AmC]

Beautiful device. However, it is my understanding that “vigilant” is only used with storks and other long birds that tuck one foot underneath them habitually. When one foot is raised for any other two-footed bird, it is simply blazoned as “one leg raised” since two-footed creatures may not be called “rampant. Doves are also usually depicted with a tuft of feathers at the back of the head to distinguish them from other similar birds. (“In heraldry the dove is always depicted with a slight tuft on its head, possibly to distinguish it from a wood-pigeon” [ ] ) Note also that this posture is considered to be an artistic variant of “close” in SCA heraldry. [HdA]

Christmas Albanach (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Purpure, a gore argent ermined gules.

Christmas is both a feminine and masculine given name and reflects from the 13th C. on the practice of naming a child for a feast day on which it was born (Withycombe, 3rd edition, p. 65 s.n. Christmas). Albanach is found in Black's The Surnames of Scotland, meaning “of Scotland,” referring to Scots living outside of Scotland. This spelling is seen before 1165; Albenach is demonstrated in 1260 (p. 14 s.n. Albanach).

The client doesn't care about the gender of the name and is most interested in the sound of the name.

The device is clear of my device, registered 01/1999 via Middle), "Purpure, a bordure ermine," with one CD for the type of peripheral, and another for its tincture. :) No other potential conflicts found. [AmC]

Positively lovely device. [HdA]

Gawayn Langknyfe (Twin Moons): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, September 2009: Per bend sinister argent and gules, a Greek minotaur statant affronty vested of a loincloth between in bend two battle axes all counterchanged.

The name was registered September 2009.

The original submission, Per bend sinister sable and gules, a bull-headed human with bull's hoofs vested of a loincloth per bend Or and argent between in bend a battle axe Or and a battle axe argent., was returned because the primary charge is not recognizable. The monster's horns were drawn here to blend with the body, in such a way that they could not be distinguished. If any charge's identifying features are not readily seen, that charge is not identifiable, and thus not registrable. Additionally, the monster blazoned as a minotaur fit neither the Classical Greek (a man with a bull's head) nor the medieval (a centaur-like monster with a bull's body, a man's torso, and occasionally bull's horns from the man's head) definition of the term. “The head is not a bull's head (though it has bull's horns and ears), and the hind legs have cloven hooves, so it is not a Classical Greek minotaur; and it has a human body and legs, not a bull's body, so it's not a medieval minotaur. Please instruct the submitter that any resubmission including a minotaur should use a period depiction of the monster, drawn in a period style.” The client has chosen to use the Classical Greek form of the monster.

Killian M'Cahall (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE: Quarterly argent and vert, four dragonflies counterchanged.

Brilliant badge! [HdA]

Ségán Ó Catháin (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 2009: Per bend sinister vert and sable, a sinister wing argent and a bordure argent semy of triquetras inverted sable.

The name was registered December 2009.

The original submission, Quarterly vert and sable, a sinister wing argent., was returned for conflict with Dante Alighieri (important non-SCA arms), Azure, a sinister wing argent. There was a single CD for the changes to the field.

Wthyr na Lannyust (Sundragon): NEW NAME

What Parhelium doesn't explicitly say is that many Google hits, including Wikipedia ones, claim that Wthyr Bendragon is the Welsh for Uther Pendragon, Arthur's father, not the better-known dux bellorum himself. (For any committed anti-wiki-ans who might pop up: Notice that I'm not claiming this is documentation, I'm truthfully implying that it is a *clue*.)

Query: Is Uther a one-off name, or could it be registered? Does using the Welsh equivalent (if that's indeed what Wthyr is) help or hinder? [MGC]

Uther has been registered a number of times, and three were registered in 2005-2006. One came from Atenveldt (Uther the Dark) and it was documented via Le Morte d'Arthur. I suspect that if Arthur's dad weren't associated with Lannyust, it might be registerable. [MMM]

I would expect <Wthyr> to be a variant of <Uther>, (the name of Arthur's father in many variants of the tale), not <Arthur>. Hutson, British Personal Names in the Historia Regum Britanniae, quotes marginalia from a 13th C MS of the Historia Britonum on pp. 55-56: '[Arthur] mab uter britannice, filius horribilis Latine', where Arthur's father's name is identified with Welsh <uthr> 'cruel, terrible'. On p. 56, Hutson notes that "In the Book of Taliessin there is a chieftain, Uthyr Pendragon, who claims a ninth part of the prowess of Arthur...There is also a poem in the Black Book of Caermarthen which mentions Uthir Pendragon and Arthur, but there is no connection between the two apart from their appearance in the same poem." I haven't been able to find any support for <U/W> interchange in Welsh or Cornish, so I'm not sure how plausible the spelling <Wthyr> is.

Watts s.n. St Just has a number of citations of the place name, but primarily in English contexts, not Cornish: <ecclesia Sancti Justi> in a 17th C copy of a MS from c1070 (this one is, of course, Latin); <St Just in Penewith> 1297, <Seint Just> 1342, <Yust(e)> 1342, 1524, <St Just alias St Towst> 1581. He doesn't even mention a form in <Lann>. It could be that it's a modern back-formation, substituting Cornish <Lann> 'church; enclosure, habitation'.

So, <Uth(y/i)r (de/of) S(e/a)int Just> looks plausible, but I'm not so sure about the submitted form. [AmC]

I looked on Welsh sites and did not find any documentation independent of Wikipedia for the name Wthyr. Maybe Tangwystyl can find something, I feel it would take that level of expertise. I did find Lannyust at But I have a bad feeling that it is a modern occurrence and was not used in period. All the period maps I looked at had the place as St. Iust. [NRM]

The “Hundred of Penwith” is cited by the client as a reference, but there are no hardcopies of this, or any URLs given that might show this. Wikipedia sources for the Hundred of Penwith do link to St. Just, and it is noted that the Cornish form of the name is Lannyust, but it really appears that this is a modern back-formation. [MMM]

The following submissions are returned for further work by the Atenveldt College of Heralds, May 2009:

Beverly FitzAlan de Stirkelaunde: NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A feather involved of a ribbon argent.

Concerning the badge, ribbons have been previously ruled unregisterable: "A ribbon is not registerable as a stand-alone charge; that is,

as a primary, secondary, or tertiary charge. However, in this case the ribbon is equivalent to a hawk's jesses: a blazonable detail or ornamentation, rather than a charge in its own right. As such, the ribbon is registerable, though submitters should be aware that the exact depiction of such ribbons will be considered an artistic detail." [Bronwen Selwyn, 06/05, R-Ansteorra] [AmC]

I think this is a lovely idea, but it has a several issues, that first of which is the prohibition against monograms: this is a thinly veiled letter “B” no matter that it tries to skirt this via clever blazoning. Leaving that aside, there are other issues here: the primary of which is that the charge as a whole is neither palewise nor bend-sinister-wise but is somewhere in between. That alone will cause a “return for redraw.” The other major issue is that this exact depiction is not reproducible solely from the emblazon. Simply saying that the feather is involved of the ribbon will not reproduce the letter “B” drawn here. The ribbon could be entwined several times around the feather by an artist. The ends of the ribbon, either one or both, could wind up on either side of the feather and still be correct according to the blazon. IF this representation as a “B” is important to the submitter, we need a blazon that will reproduce this depiction – and I do not think that one exists.

However, if the submitter wishes to give this a shot, simply tilting the whole business so that it is clearly palewise or clearly bend-sinister-wise would enable us to send it up to the SCA COA and let them wrangle over blazonability.

AHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Here’s a thought: reblazon this as a letter “M” involved of a feather!!!! Don’t mention a ribbon!!!! (Commentary on the Submissions Commentary list mentions that the use of a ribbon is not allowed.) Also, make the feather a different color than the “M” so that the two items cannot be confused with the letter “B.” Redraw so that the letter M is clearly bendwise sinister and so that the feather is clearly bendwise. Reblazon: “(fieldless) The letter “M” bendwise sinister argent involved of a feather bendwise <some tincture other than argent>.”

Here’s a similar previous registration: Walter de Witte: badge associated with this name was registered in August of 1981 (via Atlantia): (Tinctureless) The Uncial sans-serif letter "M" inverted interlaced with a quill pen fesswise.”

I believe that the blazon I propose will clear the above by virtue of (a) fieldlessness and (b) orientation of charges. Since the registered item is “tinctureless,” charge tincture can have no bearing in terms of clearing conflict. Feather vs. quill pen also produces no difference.

No conflicts found with badge. [HdA]

I'm holding this for a month and contacting the client as how to proceed. I checked on the possible use of “rope” instead of ribbon, but rope used in armorial instances in the Ordinary are in very set arrangements (either in annulo or arranged into specific knots). As Helena mentioned, a random entwining will not guarantee that the final emblazon would look like this. I'm a bit concerned by used Walter's badge as a model for Beverley's. His was registered way back in 1981, his use of an inverted “M” was a simple flip (not a 90-degree rotation, which I think will play hob with the identifiability of the charge), and as a rule, the font of a letter needs to be mentioned in the blazon. Further commentary is very much welcome. [MMM]

Badge HELD; client to be contacted.

The following submissions have been registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its February 2010 meetings:

Alaric von Bern. Name and device. Per bend vert and argent, a hammer bendwise argent and an anvil reversed sable, a bordure counterchanged.

This name combines French and German, which is a step from period practice.

Alianora Alexandra da Lyshåret. Badge. (Fieldless) On a sexfoil argent a Celtic cross Or.

The use of a gold Celtic cross on a white flower is grandfathered to the submitter.

Alianora Alexandra da Lyshåret. Badge. Per pale argent and sable, a chevron rompu and in base a lozenge, all counterchanged.

Ascelina Alánn ingen Ailella. Badge. (Fieldless) A demi-wyvern displayed argent.

This is clear of the device of Chabi of Burkhan Khaldun, Per bend sinister sable and vert, a reremouse argent. There is a CD for a fieldless design and at least a CD for the difference between this demi-monster and a bat.

Atenveldt, Barony of. Order name Order of the Red Hurlebatte and badge. Argent, two palm trees, trunks in saltire and in chief a pole axe gules.

Bella Emiliana da Monte. Name and device. Argent, two chevronels azure between three roses azure barbed and seeded proper.

This device is does not conflict with the device of Conall Synclare, Argent, on a chevron between three roses azure three swallows volant contourny wings addorsed argent. Precedent says: ... the three following very dissimilar-sounding blazons can all be drawn identically, and thus should be considered heraldically equivalent: A lozenge Or charged with a lozenge gules, A lozenge Or voided gules, and A lozenge gules fimbriated Or. This heraldic equivalence will apply for any charge "simple enough to void" by the criteria stated in the Cover Letter for the November 1992 LoAR. [Cecily of Whitehaven, 06/2002, R-Æthelmearc] and [Returning Azure, two scarpes, in bend three sledgehammers bendwise sinister argent] This is returned for redraw; the scarpes are too thin. Blazoned on the LoI as Azure, on a bend sinister azure fimbriated between two hammers bendwise sinister a hammer bendwise sinister argent, a fimbriated bend cannot be the same tincture as the field it lies on. Such a bend appears to be two scarpes rather than a bend fimbriated. What was drawn very thin to act as fimbriation must be interpreted as scarpes - extremely thin scarpes, but scarpes nonetheless. They need to be two or three times wider on resubmission. [Odolf Liafwin, May 2007, R-Artemisia] and Since the unregisterable blazon is the only blazon under which the conflict exists, this is not a conflict. [Cover Letter, June 2006]

Under the Odolf precedent, a chevron argent is not registerable on an argent field. Under the Cecily precedent, Argent, a chevron azure charged with a chevron argent and Argent, a chevron argent fimbriated azure are equivalent blazons. By the Cover Letter precedent, neither is registerable. Therefore, this armory must only be conflict checked under the interpretation two chevronels. Under that interpretation, this device is clear of Conall's armory with a CD for the change of number of primary charges and another for the removal of the tertiary charge group.

Duncan Drax. Name and device. Quarterly vert and sable, a griffin contourny erminois.

Euuen Britannicus. Name change from holding name Geoffrey of Atenveldt.

Submitted as Eogan Britannicus, the submitter requested authenticity for an unspecific language/culture and time period and allowed all changes. The name Eogan Britannicus (where Britannicus means 'the Breton') was one option mentioned in the return of his previous name submission, Eogan of the Breton March, in the December 2008 LoAR. In that submission, the submitter did not request authenticity. As a result, the ruling only addressed registerability, not authenticity. While the name Eogan Britannicus is registerable, it is not authentic as we do not have any examples of Eogan in Brittany. The cognate form of the name which was used in Breton is Euuen or Even, which was one of the most common 9th C Breton masculine names found in De Courson, Cartulaire de L'Abbaye de Redon en Bretagne.

We have changed this name to Euuen Britannicus to make this name authentic as requested. The form Even Britannicus would also be authentic. We note that the submitted form, Eogan Britannicus is registerable, though not authentic.

`Ijliyah bint Rashid. Name change from holding name Kelli of Tir Ysgithr.

Ingvarr ørrabein. Name and device. Gyronny of six argent and gules, a Thor's hammer between three valknuts sable.

There is a step from period practice for the use of a valknut. Since the gyronny of six field is properly drawn, with a horizontal line, there is not another step from period practice for that. Also, there is no step from period practice for charging the center of a gyronny field that is not also arrondi. The use of a Thor's hammer is not a step from period practice.

Ingvarr ørrabein. Badge. Per pale wavy argent and gules, all semy of Thor's hammers counterchanged.

Isbera Bersadottir. Name and device. Gules, a tree stump eradicated and on a chief doubly enarched argent three lozenges gules.

Submitted as Isbera Beradóttir, the documentation supports the byname as Bersadóttir rather than Beradóttir. We have made this correction. Additionally, the documentation for the given name includes an accent on the Í. Old Norse names are registerable with the accents included or omitted, so long as the use or omission of accents is consistent throughout the name. Since the given name omits the accent, we have removed the accent from the byname. This name would also be registerable as Ísbera Bersadóttir. As determined on the February 2009 LoAR, the use of a chief doubly enarched is a step from period practice.

Kali of Atenveldt. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Per pale gules and sable, the Sanskrit word "Om" in Devangari script between three lotus blossoms in profile Or.

The submitter might be interested to know that in Tamil-speaking areas, the script in use for Sanskrit would have been very different looking. See for more information on it, and for some information on "Om". Submitted under the name Kali Amman.

Kenneth Bloodax. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Quarterly gules and sable, a double-bitted axe argent charged with three gouttes in fess gules.

Submitted under the name Bjorn Bloodax.

Mariyah al-Madiniyah. Name change from Marina de Medina and device change. Per pale azure and Or, a crescent and between its horns a mullet of four points all counterchanged.

Submitted as Mariyah al-Mediniah, the byname al-Mediniah was submitted as a feminine form of al-Madini 'from Madinah'. However, no documentation was provided for changing the second vowel from a to e, and none could be found by the College. Additionally, if the given name is transcribed Mariyah, the byname should be transcribed al-Madiniyah, since we require that Arabic names use the same transcription throughout the entire name. We have made these corrections to the byname in order to register the name. Her previous name, Marina de Medina, is retained as an alternate name. Her previous device, Erminois, a demi-lion gules., is retained as a badge.

Nikita Dobrynia Kievich. Name and device. Sable, a Latin cross inverted throughout gules fimbriated and cotised argent.

The SCA has long held that conflicts under any blazon are valid conflicts. This could be blazoned as Sable, on a Latin cross inverted cotised argent, a Latin cross inverted gules. Under that blazon, it is not in conflict with the badge of Cornwall, Sable, a cross argent. There is a CD for the addition of the secondary charges and a CD or the addition of the tertiary charge. Commenters should note that the alternate blazon must be registerable, by precedent: Since the unregisterable blazon is the only blazon under which the conflict exists, this is not a conflict. [Cover Letter, June 2004]. We would not register this device under the alternate blazon Sable, on a Latin cross inverted argent, a cross gules cotised sable, because we have prohibitions against having more than one tertiary charge group on a single underlying charge. Since we would not register that blazon, the devices are clear.

Ragnarr Lefthand. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Ragnarr the Lefthand, no documentation was provided, and none could be found, for the inclusion of the definite article in the byname. While the submitter does not allow major changes, such as dropping an element, he explicitly allowed the dropping of the if required for registration. We have changed the name to Ragnarr_Lefthand in order to register it.

This name combines Old Norse and English, which is a step from period practice.

Rober le Rous. Name and device. Azure, a turtle and a base engrailed Or.

The following submissions have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, February 2010:

Bjorn Bloodax. Name.

This name is returned for lack of documentation for the spelling Bjorn. The given name was cited from Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, but the form of the name documented there is Bj{o,}rn. As precedent notes, "In old Norse, o and {o,} are not interchangeable" [Bj{o,}rn the Hunter, LoAR 07/2009, Meridies-A]. Lind, Norsk-Isländska Dopnamn ock Fingerade Namn fran Medeltiden, s.n. Bi{o,}rn shows several examples of Biorn, one of which dates to 1334, but no examples of Bjorn. We would change the name to either Bj{o,}rn or Biorn, but the submitter does not allow any changes, so we are forced to return this name.

The byname Bloodax is a Lingua Anglica form of Old Norse blóðøx.

His device has been registered under the holding name Kenneth Bloodax.

Kali Amman. Name.

This name is returned for presumption, as it is a name of the goddess Kali, known variously in Tamil as Kali Mata, Kali Ma, and Kali Amman.

Sufficient evidence was found to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt that Kali may have been used as a human name in India in period. However, when combined with the byname Amman, the submitted name becomes presumptuous of the goddess as Kali Amman is identical to one of the names used for this goddess. Therefore, this name must be returned.

The combination of articles used to document this name resulted in a temporal disparity issue. We want to make the submitter aware of this factor to help with any resubmission.

The given name was documented from the article "Female Chola Names". Metron Ariston provided the summary:

The article entitled "Female Chola Names" at contains material from pre-1400 inscriptions at Chola with dates that very clearly go back as early as the ninth century with the bulk of the names I looked at being from the twelfth century and before. The introduction to the article states that most names are Tamil or Tamilized Sanskrit with a very few Sanskrit forms.

The byname was documented from Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn's article "Women's Names from (Mostly) 16th Century Inscriptions at Tirupati (India)". Tangwystyl says in this article that "the names appear to be classical Sanskrit". Siren explains, "By this time, Sanskrit is a dead "language of record" like medieval Latin. Thus, I'd describe the names as "Sanskritized Tamil" rather than the other way around. The 16th c. names seem likely to also be Sanskritized Tamil" [...] or possibly Telegu".

Therefore, if a given name is documented from the first article and a byname is documented from the second, the name as a whole could easily have elements that are dated more than 300 years apart, which is a step from period practice. With a single step from period practice, a name is registerable. However, any additional step from period practice (such as one for linguistic mix), is cause for return of the name.

His device was registered under the holding name Kali of Atenveldt.

Ragnarr Lefthand. Device. Per saltire gules and sable, an axe head Or.

This item is being returned for unrecognizability of the primary charge. Section VII.7.A says that "Items must be recognizable solely from their appearance." Guesses on the identity of the primary charge varied from axe head to air horn to trumpet to cannon. While it is similar to some axe heads found as artifacts from period, it is not recognizable as any particular type of charge.

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