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1 June 2000, A.S. XXXV

Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Mathias and Sarolta; Lady Isabel d'Avron, Aten Principal Herald; The Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the June 2000 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. You are encouraged to comment upon these submissions, even if you are new in your office and fear that you might not have enough "experience" to offer your opinion. Please have commentary to me by 25 June. I accept electronic commentary:

Pictorial Dictionaries: I've still got most of the local copies of the Pictorial Dictionary; I will try to distribute them at upcoming events. If you plan to attend an event in the future and we can arrange to get your group's copy to you, please let me know.

Also, I've heard rumblings about some local groups not having a local herald-funny, I've been sending out reports on a monthly basis with no one responding, "hey, I'm not the local herald anymore." While I'm flattered that you seem to like receiving these reports, the active local herald should be receiving them. If these reports are going astray, would you please contact me or Lady Isabel with updated information? Thank you.

Known World Heraldic Symposium: This year's KWHS will be held in the Kingdom of Ansteorra, 23-25 June (Rice University, Houston). I plan to attend, and although it is down the road a piece, if you are able to attend, I think you would have a good time and learn all sorts of new and wonderful things, possibly having fun and learning at the same time! Full details can be found at this site:

I hope reading the comments with the submissions below gives you some insight into what criteria for name and armorial design the College of Arms uses; even if I ramble on about a particular submission, please don't think I've made a final decision or said the final word-your commentary might be enlightening! Please consider the following submissions (conflict check if you are able) for the July Atenveldt LoI.:

Adriona Nichole la rousse de Beauvoir (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Purpure, a schnecke issuant from sinister chief argent charged with a rose gules, slipped and leaved vert, in dexter chief and in base two fleurs-de-lys argent.

The name is French. Adrion, which seems to be a male given name, is found in "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris," by Colm Dubh ( The submitter has feminized it by adding a terminal -a. It seems that Adrion is a form of the masculine name saint name Adrian, which the French feminine form would be Adrienne (p. 5, Withycombe, under Adriana); the submitter might consider this as a documented alternative, or at least allow the College of Arms permission to make some changes to her name if there is a problem with the coined Adriona (she currently allows no changes of any sort). Nichole is a given name, also from the same source (Withycombe states that it is a fairly common form of the French feminine name Nicolette, p. 228). While it is uncommon for a period French name to have two given names, the CoA doesn't seem too strict in preventing such names from being registered. la rousse, "the red-head," is a descriptive epithet, also found in the source cited above. Beauvoir is a locative surname found in "French Names from Two 13th C. Chronicles," by Arval Benicoeur (

This is a very unusual design, and those who have seen it already are giving it a somewhat mystified acceptance :).

The schnecke is a German charge, and as a charge, we think that it can have another charge placed upon it (unlike a gore or a gusset). [There is a 1991 device with a charged schnecke: Melusine of Windhill Wood's Purpure, a schnecke issuing from sinister chief ermine, in chief two mullets counterchanged.] This cannot quite be considered non-period style (aka, slot machine armory)-I don't think-since while period armory tends to have three identical charges in a primary charge group (e.g., three fleurs-de-lys), there are also arrangements of primary charge groups that have two types of charges (e.g., two fleurs-de-lys (in chief) and a sun (in base)). This just sort of moves the two identical charges to different points of the field. The rose should have a larger flower-while naturalistic garden roses are permitted, rose buds, which this closely resembles, are not. Your comments on this design are encouraged.

Cadlae O Seancain (Aurochsford): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Gules, on a chalice inverted between two roundels Or, a wooden spiked mace proper.

The name is Irish. Cadlae is a feminine given name, "beautiful, comely" (p. 40, Irish Names, Ó Corráin and Maguire). The closest form of the byname I have been able to find is Seanchán (pp. 164-5, Ó Corráin and Maguire), an early Irish name.

While inverting charges is usually a discouraged practice, as it reduces the identifiability of the charge, there are a number of inverted chalices, goblets and tankards in the SCA Ordinary-evidently it is a charge that is readily identified upside down. :)

Danyel Lyon le charretier de Vendredi (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale vert and argent, a compass star counterchanged, on a chief sable a spear argent.

The name is French. The submitter states that the name means "Daniel Lyon the warriors son of Vendredi. Danyel is found in "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris," by Colm Dubh ( Lyon is found as a given name in the same source, creating a double given name. However, Lyon is also a French surname, originally a locative, de Lyon (p. 401, Dauzat), which would skirt the issue of the double given name. Le charretier, from the cited source, but the term does not mean warrior, but rather "carter" (, which is a fine occupational epithet. Vendredi is also found in the source, but does not appear to be a placename, which is suggested by the preposition de (it also doesn't appear in Dauzat). This isn't how a father/son relationship is suggested in a French name, and barring finding Vendredi as a placename, this is probably an incorrect construction (as opposed to his lady's submission above). If anyone could find a French town by the name of Vendredi, it would help immeasurably. (On the other hand, since Lyon began as a placename, he might consider a minor rearrangement, to Danyel Vendredi le charretier de Lyon, which not only would result in a nonproblematic locative (de Lyon) but also convey the idea that he is the son of a man by the name of Vendredi (much like the English given name Edward gives rise to the surname Edward(s)).

Galen O Seancain (Aurochsford): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, two wolves' heads addorsed erased argent, an orle purpure, on a point pointed Or, a tree blasted issuant from base vert.

Galen is the name of a famous 1st C. A.D. Greek physician who practiced in the early Roman Empire; his writings were known throughout the Middle Ages. The name has been registered a number of times in the SCA, as recently as July 1999, to Galen of the Axe. The closest form of the byname I have been able to find is Seanchán (pp. 164-5, Ó Corráin and Maguire), an early Irish name.

From what I can gather from talking to the submitter's herald, he desires a per chevron field division; however, as drawn, this is too far down on the field to be a field division (on the other hand, it works well as a charged point pointed). The greatest problem, aside from a conflict, should someone find one, is the tincture violation of the orle (purpure charge on a sable field), and overlapping the orle with the point pointed. I don't know if that is permitted (I do know one cannot, for example, run a bordure over a chief, nor, were this a true per chevron field division, have only a "half" orle on part of the field), so I will do some scrounging in past Precedents and see if I can find anything. Assuming that he is willing to remove the orle (and Lady Gwynneth suggests that he might), please check for conflict for the blazon given above and as though this were Per chevron sable and Or, two wolves' heads addorsed erased argent and a tree blasted issuant from base vert. (This will make a difference in counting differences-in the first blazon, there are two primary charges (the heads), a secondary (the point pointed), and a tertiary charge (the tree); in the second blazon, there are only two types of primary charges (the heads and the tree).

Karl Teransson (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel August 1998

Per bend sinister azure and gules, an owl statant affronty Or, a bordure argent.

The submitter's original name submission, Karl Teransson av Drakkar, was returned for using Drakkar as a placename, which was deemed incorrect. He has dropped that element. Karl is the submitter's legal given name. The byname is a Norse patronymic formed from his father's registered given name (Terans den Sjøfarende), in accordance with naming practices found in Geirr Bassi's The Old Norse Name.

The original device, Per bend sinister azure and gules, an owl close affronty Or, perched upon a branch sable., was returned for multiple conflicts. Adding the bordure clears those conflicts, and we hope avoids new ones.

Kedivor Tal ap Cadugan (Atenveldt): NEW BADGE

(fieldless) A tyger passant argent, enflamed azure upon argent.

The name was registered December 1999.

Okay, Kedivor, what the heck are you thinking? (All right, I'm better now.) While just about any charge can be enflamed, this is not how it is done-look at the salamander in the Pictorial Dictionary, and note that the beast is decorated with small wisps or tongues of flame all over its body, not lying upon a field of flame. A charge can be placed on a flame, but, again referring to the Pic Dic, the heraldic flame has a "flame-like," teardrop-like shape. (I don't know it a "normal" flame can be fimbriated, but if drawn simply enough, it might be permitted.) A similar idea for this design, which wouldn't make Marta nuts, is Azure, a tyger passant and a bordure rayonny argent.

Mons Tonitrus, Barony of: NEW NAME and BADGE for the Order of the Silver Stars of Mons Tonitrus

(fieldless) On a pile inverted issuant from and conjoined to an annulet sable, a mullet of eight points argent.

The name of the order is English, using common elements, not unlike previously registered names for the Order of the Silver Rose or the Order of the Silver Feather.

While an ordinary or subordinary cannot be placed on a fieldless badge (since the edges of the field give "definition" or "limitation" to the ordinary and make it identifiable as such), it seems that containing an ordinary within an annulet might be permitted. At least this blazon permits a fieldless badge to be formed, which, in period is more common than a fielded badge. This could, if a field is needed for the pile inverted, be alternately blazoned as Argent, on a pile inverted sable a mullet of eight points argent, a bordure sable. The mullet on the original submission needs to be enlarged.

Teh-Mu-Ginn Burgud Jerekh (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Purpure, a heart and on a chief wavy argent, three mullets purpure.

The name is Mongolian, "Temugin Falconheart". It is more likely that the given name would not have the hyphenations (Tehmuginn), although the variation in spelling is not uncommon (from the more common Temujin), since Mongolian is a transliterated language. The byname means "falcon-heart," a reference to the bravery of the hunting bird; animal references and desired qualities are common themes in Mongolian naming practice. I would tend to combine the words into a single element, Burgudjerekh.

This might conflict with Birgitta Heringsdochter, Purpure, a morningstar chevronwise and on a chief wavy argent, three roses purpure, barbed, seeded, slipped and leaved proper. There is 1 CD for the primary charge (morningstar vs. heart), but we are unsure whether there is sufficient differences to gain another CD for the tertiary charges (roses vs. mullets. To get a CD for tertiary charges, at least two differences must be achieved between them based on: type, tincture, orientation, and number-there is one difference for types of charges, but we are unsure whether making the roses "half purple, half green" is sufficient to make a difference in tincture. This would be clear if he would consider changing the number of mullets from three to four (but not two-there's a conflict with that!).

The following submissions appear in the 1 June 2000 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (emblazons appear in the 1 May 2000 internal LoI):

Anastasia of Three Oaks: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Per pale Or and argent, an acorn slip proper, a bordure azure.)

Deirdre of Gaul: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Argent, in pale a corbie displayed head to sinister sable and a triangle voided purpure.)

(The submitter has altered her byname to a documented period place name.)

Eric the Bald: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Sable, a sledge hammer argent within a bordure rayonny Or.)

Erik Kastanrazi: NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Local Herald, early 1999 (Gules, a ladle inverted argent and an axe Or, bladed argent, crossed in saltire.)

The submitter has made the axe handle Or to avoid a tincture problem.

Gaston Trévoux: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Per chevron vert and sable, three owls argent.)

Geraint de Grey: NEW NAME

Iago Gof: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Or, a bend sinister embattled between two tygers passant contourny azure.)

John Michael Midwinter: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Gyronny gules and Or, a lozenge counterchanged.)

Katherine Trévoux: NEW NAME

Kedivor Tal ap Cadugon: BADGE RESUBMISSION (for Genevieve Marguerite Gaston de La Rochelle) from Laurel, 11/99 (Purpure, ermined argent, a griffin segreant argent, winged and beaked Or.)

Kiara Wrynn of the Bells: NEW DEVICE (Argent, a chevron rompu between two hawk's bells and a cross of four mascles vert, pometty purpure.)

Lowri uxor Iago: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Azure, a tyger passant contourny within a bordure embattled Or.)

(The submitter has agreed to use a documented Welsh form of her given name, removing possible problems with using a common noun as a name element and possible infringement on the name for the Order of the Laurel. Huzzah!)

Robert de Bere: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Vert, two ferrets combattant Or.)

Sebastian von Wolff: NEW NAME

Siobhán Ó Dubhagáin: NEW NAME

Tifaine de Dauphine': NEW NAME

( I still have reservations about submitting the name, with the potential of the byname being analogous to the title for the heir of France, I wanted to see the CoA's opinion on the issue.)

Uilliam Ó Dubhagáin: NEW NAME

The following submissions were held or returned for the following reasons:

Geraint de Grey: NEW DEVICE (Vert, a chevron engrailed between two comets inverted set in chevron and a demisun issuant from base, all Or.)

HELD for redrawing.

Ragnar the Skin Illustrator: NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Local Herald, 2/99

RETURNED for postperiod name element, tincture violation.

Sebastian von Wolff: NEW DEVICE

RETURNED for tincture violation.

Tifaine de Dauphine': NEW DEVICE

RETURNED for tincture violation, postperiod armory and style problems.

I remain,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716

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