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Unto Their Royal Majesties Casca and Melissa; Baroness Genevieve de Lironcourt, Aten Principal Herald; Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the May 2016 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent. Please have commentary to me by 15 May 2016.

Heraldry Hut: the May meeting is held Friday, 20 May 2016, 7:30 PM-10:00 PM, at the home of Symond Bayard and Marta (Barony of Tir Ysgithr).

The following submissions appear in the May 2016 Letter of Intent:

Commentary was provided by Alys Mackyntoich, Andreas Lucernesis, Arwyn of Leicester, ffride wlffsdotter, Maridonna Benvenuti, Matilda Wynter, Sorcha inghen Chon Mhara.

Aibhilín inghean Baireíd (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (Aldyrne) and Alys Mackyntoich (Ogress) both comment: <Baireíd> is what appeared in Gaelic to render the Anglo-Norman surname Barret when it came over to Ireland with the Anglo-Normans in the late 12th C. Surnames that were originally Anglo-Norman family names are used in Gaelic as surnames not patronymics. So, for example, say her father's given name was <Dauídh> ("David"). Her name could appear in Gaelic as Aibhilín inghean Dauídh Bhaireíd (note the lenition in <Bhaireíd>), or as Aibhilín Bhaireíd, but it would not appear as Aibhilín inghean Bhaireíd. There are no conflicts for <Aibhilín Bhaireid>

The client desires a female name, so the construction of the name can be corrected.

Aillenn inghean Chonaill (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE: Vert, two wolves combatant Or and in base a moon in her plenitude argent.

The name was registered June 2015.

Ambrose the Gutless (TY) NEW NAME and DEVIC: Sable, a dexter hand apaumy argent and in chief two bees Or.

Ambrose is an English given name dated c. 1440 (Withycombe 3rd edition, p. 18 s.n. Ambrose). The byname is a descriptive one, based on those

Maridonna Benvenuti notes in the OED that gutless means “Having no guts; disembowelled. Obs.” 1606 J. Sylvester; and also “lacking in energy, courage, or determination. "1915. E. Pound.” ffride wlffsdotter notes that Reaney and Wilson do have [body part]-less nicknames: sn. Arliss, Arles, Harlissfor Henry Earles 1295 (OE ēare and lēas `ear-less'); sn. Thum for William Thumbeles 1260 (`thumb-less') and sn. Lockless for John Locles 1327 and for Austen Lockeles 1568 (OE loc `lock of hair' and lēas `free from', a nickname for one with straight hair).

Consider: Isengard: Sable, a hand argent., as important non-SCA arms. We believe that there is a SC with the addition of the bees because they appear to be big enough to be co-primaries, hence Sable, two bees Or and a dexter hand apaumy argent.

Elezabeth Dayseye (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

The name is English. The given name is a variant of Elizabeth and is dated to 1549 and 1552 (“Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Elizabeth,” Talan Gwynek, Dayseye is a surname dated c. 1306 (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 123 s.n. Daisey).

Frederick Gloucester (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, a cross between four marlets, a bordure embattled all argent.

The name is English. Frederick is found associated with Frederick Slader, christened 2 January 1609 in Saint Andre, Plymouth, Devon, England (P00183-1, Gloucester is a locative byname associate with Thomas Gloucester, married 27 November 1610 in Saint swithin, Worcester, Worcester, England, to Alice Ffarinbee (M04392-1, client desires a male name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (English). He will not accept Major changes to the name.

Garrett Seaburn (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend Or four piles inverted issuant from chief azure and barry wavy argent and azure, a bend vert.

Andreas Lucernensis offers several points as to the device: Is the point of origin of the piles "in chief" ? I would place it either in the (horizontal) center of the whole shield OR the (horizontal) center of the upper/sinister half. This is neither. In addition to the width problem on the lower section, the barrulets (in both tinctures) should be *distributed* evenly. . . there's too much white space at the top and bottom, making this an emblazon of "argent six barrulets azure". . . not the same thing as blazoned.
Finally, I would suggest that the bend itself be blazoned as Overall.

Matilda Wynter notes: I really like this device, but would caution the submitter that the fabric piecing to make this into a surcote is going to be quite difficult :) that said, it produces a neat effect.

Ignacio Diaz de Castile (SD): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Pean, a tyger rampant charged with a cresent gules, a bordure embattled Or charged with six crosses of Santiago gules.

The name is Spanish. The client is the legal son of Adam Carlos Diaz de Castile, name and device registered (December 2002 and December 2007). He desires a male name and is most interested in the meaning of the name, as close to his father's name as possible. He will not accept Major Changes to the name. That being said, Ignacio is a male given name and found in that for Ignacio Perez, christened 26 April 1575 at San Gil y Santa Ana, Granada, Granada, Spain (C77534-3, The rest of the name is grandfathered to his father. The client provides permission to conflict with his father's registered name and armory.

Sigríðr Úlfsdóttir of Aschehyrst (TY): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, August 2015: Sable, a key palewise wards to sinister and on a chief argent two mullets of four greater and four lesser points sable and gules.

Prism Pusuivant notes a Suggested blazon change: Sable, a key reversed wards to sinister and on a chief argent two compass stars, the dexter compass star sable and the sinister compass star gules. “This wording is based on a similar submission (see Hroc Æthelwulfes sunu) with identical charges what were colored differently. Based on that, I think each compass star must be blazoned differently. "* Hroc Æthelwulfes sunu. Name and device. Sable, a mullet of four points gules fimbriated Or between four horse's heads couped, the one in sinister chief argent, the others Or. There is a step from period practice for using a charge group of four or more of the same type in which the tincture of only one charge is different from the others when that tincture difference is not dictated by the field. The above ruling clearly indicates that having a charge group of FOUR OR MORE charges is a SFPP. It does not specifically address if only TWO charges would be acceptable under SENA A3D2d or would also be considered a SFPP. However, if having TWO charges of different tinctures is considered a SFPP then I believe this device would not be registerable since under SENA Appendix G the use of compass stars is also a SFPP and that would result in a device that is two steps from period practice.”

I think using differently-tinctures charges is “safe” (with two being less than four), although the submission should likely be reblazoned as Sable, a key inverted wards to sinister, on a chief argent two compass stars, the dexter one sable and the sinister one gules.

The use of compass stars is a SFPP.

The following submissions appear in the April 2016 Letter of Intent:

Commentary was provided by Alys Mackyntoich, Andreas Lucernensis, Aria Gemina Mala, Arwyn of Leicester, Hubert de Stockleye, Song Zidie and Sorcha inghen Chon Mhara.

Alexandra Starling of Ravenspurn (Windale): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Purpure, pendant from a chain set in chevron inverted a lighthouse Or, enflamed gules.

Callum of Skye (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, on a bend between a sheaf of arrows inverted and a thistle Or, three fleurs-de-lys azure.

Hunter du Grae (BoA): NEW NAME

Jacket Tyllyng (Granite Mountain): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel July 2014: Per fess azure and vert, on a fess between three lions argent a sinister gauntleted fist azure.

William MacIver: NEW NAME and NEW DEVICE: Per saltire gules and argent, in fess two wyverns combattant sable.
Ogress Herald comment: “All the forms in Black are Scots. William is a perfectly good Scots given name, being found, among other places, in Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "Index of Scots names found in Dictionary of the Older Scottish Tongue," (, with 208 instances of this spelling between 1392 and 1650.”

`Izza al-Zarqa' (BoA): NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Purpure, two horses combatant and on a chief argent three lotus blossoms in profiles purpure.

Aria Gemina Mala suggests an artist's note that the lotus do not rest on the chief division, where they are unclear, but mid-chief as per usual.

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

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