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Unto Their Royal Majesties Edward and Asa; Dame Anita, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the May 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! groups

( ) and post there. (Any commentary is likely be included in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!) Please have commentary to me by 10 May 2010.

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 21 May, beginning at 7:30 PM.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

SCA College of Arms Actions: Atenveldt results from the January 2010 Laurel meetings (the September 2009 Atenveldt LoI) are found at the end of this report.

Please consider the following submissions for the May 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Beverly FitzAlan de Stirkelaunde (Sundragon): NEW NAME, DEVICE AND BADGE

(DEVICE) Vert, a mourning dove vigilant between flaunches argent.

(BADGE) (Fieldless) A feather involved of a ribbon argent.

Although it is shown in the documentation that Beverly has been registered a few times by the SCA CoA as a given name, it is very likely that it was the legal given name of the clients who submitted it and were allowed it via the legal name allowance (Beverly of Stromgard is a holding name, which generally is composed of a client's legal given name + SCA group of residence; Beverly Pursuivant is a heraldic title (since released), which follows the period practice of using a place name; Beverly Blackpool is also another holding name, and the LoAR in which it appears notes that it uses the clients legal given name.. It seems that in period, Beverly is a locative placename, from Beverley, Yorkshire (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 42 s.n. Beverley). Withycombe notes that Beverly is not found as a given name, either masculine or feminine, until the late 19th C as a masculine name, then in the 20th C as an American feminine given name (3rd edition, p. 50 s.n. Beverly). It would be a fine locative byname (this spelling isn't listed in Reaney and Wilson, but there are several close

That having been said (which is a roundabout way of saying don't necessarily use the SCA Armorial for name documentation unless you can refer to the LoARs (which are online) and determine if the name element is a legal name allowance example), the documentation notes several names found in the LDS website in which Beverly seems to act as a given name: Beverly Cline Smith, b. 1501 ( ); Beverly Johnston, b. 1596 ( ); Beverly Rogers, b. about 1552 ( ). These are all listed as women.

British Chancery Records 1386-1558 ( ) appear to demonstrate a Thomas Fitzalan from 1519, and a William Fitzalan from 1501. However, no hardcopy of these pages were included in the documentation, and I don't have a subscription to this site to verify these dates. Another website (again, no hardcopy was included, but I could access the records) does show 77 instances of FitzAlan/Fitzalan throughout period, including many in the 16th C ( ).

A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames with Special American Instances, Charles W. Bardsley, London: Henry Frowde, 1901, cites a William de Stirkelaunde, in county Westmoreland, 20 Edw I. (p. 728 s.n. Strickland). This is undated, but if this refers to Edward I, this dates the spelling to the late 13th C. Eventually the spelling of the byname and the townships of that name became Strickland.

The client desires a female name and will not accept Major changes to the name. If necessary, she will accept the spelling of Beverly as Beverley.

Vigilant is noted as being “close passant.” I believe that whether a standing bird such as this one, has both feet on the ground, or just one, does little to alter the blazon from merely close.

Christmas Albanach (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Purpure, a gore argent ermined gules.

Christmas is both a feminine and masculine given name and reflects from the 13th C. on the practice of naming a child for a feast day on which it was born (Withycombe, 3rd edition, p. 65 s.n. Christmas). Albanach is found in Black's The Surnames of Scotland, meaning “of Scotland,” referring to Scots living outside of Scotland. This spelling is seen before 1165; Albenach is demonstrated in 1260 (p. 14 s.n. Albanach).

The client doesn't care about the gender of the name and is most interested in the sound of the name.

Killian M'Cahall (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

Quarterly argent and vert, four dragonflies counterchanged.

The name was registered June 1995.

Wthyr na Lannyust (Sundragon): NEW NAME

Wthyr is said to be a Welsh and Cornish variant of the masculine given name Arthur; while citations are given for Arthur as a period name, no hardcopy was provided that demonstrates Wthyr as a period variant of Arthur. I'm finding nothing that corroborates this claim. Lannyust is said to be Brythonic Celtic, a Cornish dialect, meaning “St. Just in Penwith,” an ecclesiastical parish in West Cornwall, comprised of a number of villages. A modern tourist site for St. Just in Penwith mentions Lannyust Agas Dynnargh! (“Welcome to St. Just!”), . A UK and Irish genealogical site notes the Cornish version of St. Just in Penwith is Lannyust, and that in 596 A.D. , Justus/ St. Just was sent there by Pope Gregory the Great for missionary work ( ). The vast majority of references to the location are found in Wiki-style websites. While trying to do a little more research on the name, I'm finding that Uther and Arthur are very close, at least phonetically (maybe I made this association years ago, and it just popped up again. I need to do more digging and see if there's a link between them.)

The following submissions appear in the April 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary is provided by Helena de Argentoune [HdA], Juliana de Luna, Michael Gerard Curtememoire [MGC] and Marta [MMM].

Brandan Wanderer von Arnswold (Mons Tonitrus): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, House of the Laden Swallow

Love this household name. I agree that “laden” is not an “abstract” concept. If the College doesn’t like “laden,” they might consider a variant of “burdened.” [HdA]

A little more documentation of possible alternative names: If this name is unacceptable, the client will accept House of the African Swallow (honest, I couldn't find African in the COED, although Wikipedia suggests that the term for the continent was one long in coming possibly during Roman rule or proposed by the historian Leo Africanus (1488–1554) ( )), House of the European Swallow (the earliest spelling is found in 1603, meaning “belonging to Europe, or its inhabitants,” is Europian), or even House of the Swallow.[MMM]

Cecili O'Daly (BoAtenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2010: Quarterly azure and argent, a thistle proper and in canton a rabbit rampant contourny argent.

The original submission was returned for issues of identifiability of the rabbit (redrawing) and clarification of the tinctures of the proper thistle (all vert, except for the purpure “brush” on top of the boll. The client was contacted and is happy with the redrawing and coloration.

Eleanor Peregrine (Ered Sul): NEW ALTERNATE NAME, Love Sweetlove

The proposed name Love Sweetlove is egregious, at least for those of us old enough to remember the once ubiquitous "What the World Needs Now (Is Love)", the song or the musical, by Burt Bacharach. So until and unless we virtually all die off, let revels where she appears be safe from that particular ear-worm! Topekaing shows that the phrase also appears in other lyrics of presumably lesser fame and probably more recent period. And probably will be as long as June rhymes with moon (whether or not the latter is exploited). P.S. Note that I am NOT complaining about the Monty Python swallow joke. I'm not sure why, but I'm not. [MGC]

Absolutely delightful name! While this could be considered a “joke” name, that has no bearing on either probability or registerability.

“The fact that this is a "joke name" is not, in and of itself, a problem. The College has registered a number of names, perfectly period in formation, that embodied humor: Drew Steele, Miles Long, and John of Somme Whyre spring to mind as examples. They may elicit chuckles (or groans) from the listener, but no more. Intrusively modern names grab the listener by the scruff of the neck and haul him, will he or nill he, back into the 20th Century. A name that, by its very presence, destroys any medieval ambience is not a name we should register.” [Porsche Audi, August 1992 LOAR, pg. 28] [HdA]

Elsa Olavintytär (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend azure and vert, in bend sinister three bees bendwise sinister proper.

James Halsey (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend argent and sable, a fox passant contourny gules.

Closest to be of concern is the following: Wolfgang the Gameman: Chequy sable and argent, in pale a wolf passant and a wolf passant to sinister gules. There’s 1 CD for changing the type of field from chequey to per bend and another for changing the number of foxes from two to one = two CDs and CLEAR. I mention this as a “concern” because the colors of the field are not changed and the posture of one of the foxes in the registered device is the same as that of the submission. However, if these two devices were compared side-by-side, they are quite clearly different so this should not be an issue. I found nothing closer than two obvious CDs from the submission. [HdA]

Máire Grame of Lewis (Mons Tonitrus): NEW DEVICE: Sable, on a pale argent a vine of three roses gules, slipped and leaved vert.

Conflict with Tycho Brahe: Sable, a pale argent. (Important non-SCA arms) There's only one CD present for addition of the tertiary flowers. She could potentially clear this conflict by endorsing the pale or adding a complex line to the pale (dancetty, embattled, etc), but that may introduce other conflicts. [HdA]

Further consultation with the client resulted in dividing the field and so resolving this conflict (darn you, Mr. Fancy Silver-nose Astronomer!). Her device will be submitted as Per pale sable and purpure, on a pale argnet a vine of three roses gules, slipped and leaved vert. [MMM]

Melissa of Monster Hall (BoAtenveldt): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME, from Melissa of Atenveldt

The client's most recent return, as Melissa de Monstrum Aula, was returned by Laurel December 2009 for lack of documentation for the byname. The only support provided on the LoI for the byname de Monstrum Aula was the statement that "The byname is Latin 'Monster Court/Hall'." No documentation was provided that the construction is grammatically correct for Latin or that a Latin phrase meaning 'Monster Court/Hall' is a plausible medieval place name. Such evidence is required for registration. (The return goes on.)

Juliana de Luna has my deep gratitude for contacting me and having me put her in touch with Melissa so that the following documentation for Monster Hall can be provided in this submission.

Documentation for the use of X-Hall in bynames: The December 2009 LoAR cites several examples of X-Hall in bynames in a collegiate setting: "Additionally, there is evidence that English university college names were used in locative bynames; Emden, An Oxford Hall in Medieval Times, p. 49 dates John de Unicornhall to 1325, and Searle, Grace book: containing the records of the University of Cambridge for the Years 1501-1542 dates Dobbes de aula Gunwell to 1502-3, Samson de aula Clar' to 1516-7, and Mr. Rydley of Penbrooke hall to 1531-2. Thus, if Monster could be justified as a name of a university college, then either de Aula Monster or de Monsterhall would be registerable under this model."

In addition, other LoARs have also demonstrated the use of <X Hall> in a byname:

"...Rowel supplied three examples of such compound placenames from Gray, Irvine and J. E. Gethyn-Jones, editors, The Registers of the Church of St. Mary's, Dymock, 1538-1790: Margery Wills of Gamage Hall in 1570/1, Wyllyam Hill of Gamag Hall in 1586, and Edward Hill de Gamag Halle in 1603. Given this, compound locative English bynames of the form [place] + Hall are registerable." [LoAR 03/2007]

"While the commenters were able to find examples of English place names of the form <place name in English> + hall, including Latymerhall 1360 and Stanewey halle 1430, in Sharon L. Krossa, "A Brief, Incomplete, and Rather Stopgap Article about European Household and Other Group Names Before 1600"… "[LoAR 04/2008]

Documentation for Monster in bynames: For Monster Hall to be a reasonable construction, Monster needs to be documented in a form that can go with Hall. The most plausible constructions are locative. One possible origin of a locative is the Irish Munster. Munster is found in English contexts as both <Munster> and <Monster>. The spelling <Munster> is used in a 1515 description of the counties of Ireland in Henry VIII's State papers ( ). It's spelled <Monster> in a 1536 document ( ).

We have one certain case and another probable one of an Oxford hall (in the collegiate sense) named after an Irishman: <Drowda Hall>, named for the scholar William of Drogheda. In Oxford topography: an essay, by Herbert Hurst ( ), p. 182, this hall is dated as <Drokeda> in 1241, <Droozedayesehall> in 1294, <Drowdes> in 1375 and <Doghtur> in 1443.

Another Irish surname (whose namesake is unclear) is preserved in Heynesseyhall, dated to 1407 in W. A. Pantin, "The Halls and Schools of Medieval Oxford: an Attempt at Reconstruction." In Oxford Studies Presented to Daniel Callus. Oxford: Clarendon Press, for the Oxford Historical Society. 1964.). Woulfe (p. 558 s.n. Ó hAonghusa) dates the Anglicized Irish forms <O Heanesey>, <O Hennesy>, and <O Hensey> to t. Elizabeth I – James I.

To further underline the Irish presence in medieval Oxford, in a 1661 book a formerly existing, now destroyed (i.e. already destroyed in 1661) Irishman Street is reported, and Irishmans Mede, and Irelond Meadow, and a school is described as "in some ages in habited by Irish clerks." (p. 211). The book is Survey of the Antiquities of the City of Oxford; Juliana's copy is edited by Andrew Clark and found at Clark also mentions a couple of Irish students involved in various misdeeds.

While de Munster is not found as a late period Anglicized byname, related terms are: Woulfe dates O Moyneghane, O Mynegehane, O Moyney, O Moynig all as forms descended from the byname meaning "Munsterman." It's certainly no more improbable than many other constructions we register. An existing Munster Hall could have occasionally taken the form Monster Hall in late period based on existing Munster/Monster variants for the place.

The other possible origin is as an English placename. Certainly Munster is plausible there, and Monster may be as well. Alisoun MacCoul of Elphane found evidence for Munster in English placenames: "Ekwall shows various forms of Minster as a locative (Concise Oxford Dictionary of English Place-Names, s.n. Minster). These include Menstre from 1239, Menstr' from 1203, Minstre from Domesday Book and a Munster Lovell from 1291 which should give fairly good support for the u-grade rendition. Similarly Ekwall (op. cit., s.n. Minsterley) shows Menistrelie from Domesday Book, Munstreleg from 1246, Mynsterworlig from 1030, etc." This could clearly have given rise to Munster Hall, which might occasionally appear in late period documents as Monster Hall.

And if this wasn't generous enough, Juliana provides period (or at least grey-period) documentation for Melissa, which had been registered under the legal name allowance. On another note, Melissa can be documented at least to the grey period as I noticed it was registered only as a legal name:

Melissa Hawkens baptized 18th March 1609, St. Columb Major, Cornwall

Melissa Mathew baptized 31st March 1622, Yarcombe, Devon

Melissa Merifeild baptized 4th May 1606, St. Columb Major, Cornwall

Melissa Pollard baptized 12th July 1606, St. Columb Major, Cornwall

Again, many thanks on behalf of Melissa (and me, too!).

Nest verch Rodri ap Madyn (Mons Tonitrus): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, House of the Purple Cauldron, and NEW HOUSEHOLD BADGE: Argent, on a cauldron purpure a mullet of five points voided and interlaced within and conjoined to an annulet argent.

Name: Perfectly lovely. The February 2000 registration of the following would seem to support that the name formation “X of the Purple Y” was acceptable at that time: Award of the Purple Fret. [HdA]

Rónán MhicHughe de Gérin (Tir Ysgithr): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2010: Argent, a saltire vert surmounted by a demi-eagle head to sinister sable, in base a crescent gules.

The was returned for redrawing, as the demi-eagle, with the broad base at the line of division, muddied the identifiability between a demi-eagle and a whole eagle; using either seems to be clear of conflict. The client was contacted and prefers a true demi-eagle (so he doesn't have to draw legs and a tail).

Seved Ribbing (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE: Per fess azure and Or, three linden leaves counterchanged.

Closest is the following: Ælfmæg McKuenn: Per fess azure and Or, a leaf and an escallop counterchanged. There is 1 CD for number of charges (added a leaf) plus another for changing the type of half the charges on one side of a line of division (changed escallop to leaf). I found nothing closer. [HdA]

Sigridh Friedrich (Wealhhnutu): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2010: Argent, a wolf rampant gules between two bars gemel sable.

Tabitha Whitewolf (BoAtenveldt): NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Gules, a wolf rampant queue-forchy argent between three four-leafed clovers Or.

The name was registered December 2008.

If registered, the client wishes to retain her currently-registered device,Gules, a wolf rampant queue-forchy argent between three sets of four hearts each conjoined in saltire points to center Or., as a badge.

The following submissions have been registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its January 2010 meetings:

Alexandros Korinthios. Name.

The submitter requested authenticity for Greece. This is an excellent early-period Greek name.

The question was raised whether this name conflicted with either Alexander the Great (who ruled over a confederacy that included Corinth) or any of the kings of the city-state of Corinth named Alexander. This name, which means 'Alexander the Corinthian', does not conflict with any of the rulers of Corinth named Alexander per the following precedents: Regardless of whether or not any of the kings of Poland named Wladyslaw were known as Wladyslaw z Poznania, they would not conflict with a submitted name of Wladyslaw Poznañski because Poznañski is a descriptive byname referring to a person's ethnicity, not a locative byname. This issue, upheld as recently as November 2001 (Eiríkr inn danski, Atlantia-A), has been addressed in these rulings: [<name> Lietuvos, meaning <name> the Lithuanian>] While prior Laurel precedent has returned the form '{Name} the {Nationality}', we do not find this presumptuous of the ruler of the country in the same way or to the same degree that, say, '{Name} of {Nation}' would. Hence, we do not find that this name conflicts with <name>, King of Lithuania. (LoAR 12/91 p.12). <Given Name> the Breton should no more conflict with <same Given Name>, Duke of Brittany, than Richard the Englishman would with Richard, King of England. [Note that this overturns a precedent of Master Baldwin's regarding Wladislaw Poleski] (LoAR 10/90 p.2). [Wladyslaw Poznañski, 03/2002, A-Æthelmearc]

Similarly, Korinthios is a descriptive byname referring to a person's ethnicity, not a locative byname. A name meaning 'Alexander the Corinthian' no more conflicts with the Alexanders who ruled Corinth than Richard the Englishman conflicts with Richard, King of England.

Brian Ambrose O Driscoll. Device. Lozengy vert and erminois, a Pierrot mask between three Bowen knots argent.

While Pierrot masks have been registered in the past, commenters raised the issue that Pierrot masks are not period, as the character was not developed until after period, and should not be registerable. The Pierrot character in commedia dell'arte appears to have developed either as the French variant of the Italian Pedrolino, or to have been based off Molière's character in Don Juan, or the Stone Guest, published in 1665, but both variants agree that it was attributed to an actor named Guiseppe Giratoni and happened after 1665. Therefore, unless documented to period, Pierrot masks will be no longer be registerable after the June 2010 decision meeting.

Donicia del Lunar. Name and device. Per chevron purpure mullety Or and vert, a chevron and in base a unicorn's head couped Or.

Donicia is the submitter's legal middle name. Middle names are treated by type; if they are given names in origin they can be registered as a given name, and if they are surnames in origin they can be registered as a surname. Donicia is a given name in origin (Colm Dubh, "Repetory [sic] of Catalan Names", dates the variant Donizia to before the 11th C), so it can be registered as a given name via the legal name allowance.

This device is clear of the device of Sabina Melisenda vom Katzenschloss, Per chevron purpure and vert, a chevron between two mullets and a garb Or. Under current precedent, we consider semy charges to be a separate secondary charge group: [Per fess sable mullety Or and azure, a dance and in base a sun Or] The device does not conflict with ... Per fess gules mullety Or, and vert, a dance and in base a terrestrial sphere Or. There is one CD for the change to the field. There is another CD for the change in type of the charge group in base, which is a different charge group from the semy group in chief. By current precedent, the semy charges must be in a separate group from all other charges (LoAR 7/01, Giraude Benet). [Wolfgang Dracke, 11/01, A-Artemisia] There is, therefore, a CD for the change of number of charges in the secondary charge group, from three to one, a CD for the change of type of charges in the secondary charge group, from mullets and garb to unicorn, and a CD for the addition of the semy of mullets.

Ered Sûl, Barony of. Order name Order of the Mount and Flame.

Gideon the Weary. Name (see RETURNS for device).

The spelling weary was documented to 1684 on the LoI, well outside the grey area. However, it is a period spelling of the word, dated to 1590 in Spenser's Faerie Queene.

Jean Le Loup. Name.

Listed on the LoI as Jean le Loup, the name appeared on the forms as Jean Le Loup. No mention of this discrepancy was made on the LoI. The originally submitted form of the name is not incorrect. Aryanhwy merch Catmael, "French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438" lists the bynames Le Leu and Leleu; these are earlier forms of Le Loup. Since the originally submitted form of the name is registerable, we have restored the name to that form.

Mariella Jehannette de Lisieux. Name and device. Per chevron azure and argent, two needles inverted in saltire argent and a cross flory sable.

This name combines Italian and French, which is a step from period practice. The submitter noted that she wanted an authentic 13th C French name, but cared more about retaining the name Mariella. Since we have not found Mariella in French, this name is not authentic, but it is registerable. Additionally, the name combines either two given names or a given name and an unmarked matronymic byname with a locative byname. In the 13th C, a single given name and a single byname was the norm.

Olaf mj{o,}ksiglandi. Device. Purpure, a ram's skull cabossed and in chief a drakkar sailing to sinister Or.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the ram's skull larger, to better fill the available space.

Sorcha Broussard. Name (see RETURNS for device).

This name combines Gaelic and French, which is a step from period practice.

Susanna Broughton. Name.

Tamsyn Stanford. Device. Erminois, two domestic cats salient respectant sable and on a chief gules three mullets Or.

Tatiana the Midwife. Name change from Tatiana Gordeevna Kazimirova.

This name combines Russian and English, which is a step from period practice.

Her previous name, Tatiana Gordeevna Kazimirova, is retained as an alternate name.

Theodric ap Breken Beaken. Reblazon of badge for Juan Carlos del Oso. Gules, on a cross formy throughout between four mullets argent a brown bear's head couped proper.

Blazoned when registered as Gules, on a cross concave between four mullets argent a brown bear's head couped at the shoulders proper [Ursus arctos], a cross concave is not a known period charge. Given the splay of the arms, it is evidently a cross formy throughout with the corners smoothed away. Since we are reblazoning the cross, we have also reblazoned the rest of the badge according to current practice.

The following submissions have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, January 2010:

Chavezs MacTavish. Name.

This name is being returned for administrative reasons; it was sent to Laurel on a form that was not approved by Laurel.

The version of the form used in this submission was a problematic one that was replaced by Atenveldt working with Laurel staff. The change to a new, Laurel-approved form was made effective by Atenveldt as of July 1, 2008. Copies of Atenveldt's current forms may be found at the Kingdom of Atenveldt Heraldic Submissions Page (

This submission was submitted on August 8, 2009 - over a year after the previous forms were replaced by Atenveldt. The August 2006 Cover Letter stated: "As of the May 2007 Letter of Intent, each Kingdom's name and armory submissions must appear on the new forms, or be subject to administrative return." As this was not on a Laurel approved form, and it was submitted over a year after new, Laurel-approved forms were rolled out by Atenveldt, we must return this name submission without consideration of the name's registerability.

Gideon the Weary. Device. Per pale argent and sable, a dragon and a griffin segreant addorsed, tails entwined, counterchanged.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Balin the Grisley, Per pale argent and sable, two dragons rising addorsed counterchanged, breathing flames and their tails grasped by, in base, a gauntlet counterchanged gules and Or. The gauntlet is a maintained charge; therefore, there is a single CD for changing a dragon to a griffin.

This device is also returned for violating section XI.3 (Marshalling) of the Rules for Submissions, which says "Divisions commonly used for marshalling, such as quarterly or per pale, may only be used in contexts that ensure marshalling is not suggested." Section XI.3.a says that "such fields may be used with identical charges over the entire field, or with complex lines of partition or charges overall that were not used for marshalling in period heraldry." This submission uses non-identical charges on the field and has no complex line of partition or charge overall

Some commenters argued that the entwined tails removed the appearance of marshalling. However, due to the tinctures involved, several people thought that the tails were not entwined, but merely 'bouncing off' each other as they touched the line of division, and remaining within the same half of the field as the monster each is attached to, thus contributing to the appearance of marshalling.

Sorcha Broussard. Device. Argent, a skate sable and on a chief azure two escallops argent.

This would be the defining instance of a skate in Society armory. No documentation was submitted, and none could be found, for a skate which has the shape drawn here. Therefore, this submission is returned for violating section VII.7 of the Rules for Submissions, being neither identifiable, blazonable, or reconstructable from blazon.

This is a resubmission of a device having a manta ray. In the return, we declared a manta ray registerable, with a step from period practice. If the submitter wants a manta ray, the submitter should draw a creature which is unmistakably a manta ray. If the submitter wishes a skate, the submitter should draw the skate to match either the shape of the natural creature or the depiction found in the Macclesfield Psalter.

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

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