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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 5 April 2015, A.S. XLIX
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Brian and Lia; Baron Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!



This is the April 2015 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent. Please have commentary to me by 20 April 2015.


Heraldry Hut: The April Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 17 April, beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for location.


Estrella War XXXI: Hurrah! Wonderful weather (that kept us guessing), a slightly different location, and Great Heralds and Clients – what's not to love about the Heralds' Point Consultation Table? Many thanks are extended to a modest-in-number-yet-amazing-in-dedication to those who spent much of their time in consultation. Most submissions came from Atenveldt, future submitters came from a number of Kingdoms, and those consulting them came across a number of borders. I recommend with praise Symond Bayard le Gris, Herald's Point coordinator/manager; Finngall McKetterick Matilda Stolja, Red Tree Pursuivant (Madone) from An Tir; Eridana Ambra Dragotta (Ambre P.) from Caid; Warenus de Fulmere (I hope from Nahrun Kabirun and the loaner of its heraldic library) from the Outlands; and our own kind – Sorcha inghen Chon Mhara (Prism P.), Honour Grenehart, Roger von Allenstein, Séamus mac Ríáin (Black Boar P.) and Symond Bayard.


Please consider the following submissions for the April 2015 Letter of Intent:


William Devlin (Granite Mountain): NEW DEVICE

Per chevron sable and Or, an owl affronty counterchanged.

The name appears in the March 2015 Atenveldt LoI.


Xanthias Alexandros Casca of Monster Hall (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, a spear and a bordure embattled argent.

Xanthias is the name of several characters in Aristophanes' play, The Frogs. Alexandros Casca are elements of his father's registered SCA name, Matthias Alexander Casca. Of Monster Hall is an element of his mother's registered SCA name, Melissa of Monster Hall. Both parents have signed Permission to Claim Relationhip and with Melissa, for Attesting Legal Relationship with Xanthias, their son. The client desires a male name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (showing the lineage elements, Alexandros Casca of Monster Hall). He will not accept Major Changes to the name.

The embattled edge should be deeper.


The following submissions appear in the February 2015 Letter of Intent:

Complete commentary can be found at the OSCAR website, specifically https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=3078. This is abbreviated commentary.

I was assisted in the preparation of this Letter of Intent by Magnus von Lübeck, Michael Gerard Curtememoire, Maridonna Benvenuti, Seamus mac Riain, Song Zidie and Taran the Wayward.


Arria Silvana: NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Per fess vert and sable, a unicorn's head couped argent and three ivy leaves Or.


Gareth Llandfaelog: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, a pall inverted and in sinister chief a rabbit rampant Or.


Gwyneth O Callaghan: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, May 2014: Argent, an ash-tree eradicated proper and on a chief azure a sun Or between an increscent and a decrescent argent.


Jórhildr skáldhrafn: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2013: Argent, in pale a thistle and a boar passant proper, a bordure azure.


Kára Hanadóttir: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2012: Vert, a phoenix displayed head to sinister argent and a sinister gore ermine.

A name change, held by the Atenveldt CoH, is being put on the back-burner for now to allow the device change to proceed.


Mineko of Twin Moons: NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) A domestic cat sejant affronty sinister paw raised argent within and conjoined to a mascle gules.


Mineko of Twin Moons and Irina Dionisiya Tolochkova: NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, Societate Sine Nomine, and NEW BADGE: (Fieldless): A snake with a head at both ends nowed in a Cavendish knot argent.


The following appear in the March 2015 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (all but one are Estrella submissions):

Complete commentary can be found at the OSCAR website, specifically https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=3128. This is abbreviated commentary.

I was assisted in the preparation of this Letter of Intent by Alys Mackyntoich, Andreas von Meißen, Basil Dragonstrike, ffride wlffsdotter, Gawain of Miskbridge, Caoimhin McKee, Christian Jorgensen af Hilsonger, Illuminada Eugenia de Guadalupe y Godoy, Magnus von Lübeck, Maridonna Benvenuti, Rohese de Dinan, Seamus mac Riain and Vettorio Antonello.

Not all submissions accepted at Estrella's Consultation Table appear here, for potential conflicts, name questions, and the like. I'm contacting “the rest of the clients” to clear up questions and such, and I hope that these submissions will appear in the April 2015 LoI.


Agnes Carrick: NEW NAME


Aileann inghean Conall: NEW NAME

Submitted as Conall, the client asks that the name be lenited correctly, and the Old Irish Gaelic (c 700-c 900) genitive form for the masculine given name Conall is Conaill; the name is found throughout period (“Index of Names in Irish Annals: Conall,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Conall.shtml). Blue Tyger suggests that the lenition should be Chonaill. (It seems T and C leniteprior to 1200 AD.)

It seems that the particle is ingen in names before 1200 AD (“Quick and Easy Gaelic Names,” 3rd edition,Sharon L. Krossa, http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#spelling).


Ailric Atte Grange: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale embattled sable and argent, a hare and a squirrel combattant counterchanged.

It's most likely more correct if the particle is spelled atte, as R&W do not capitalize the preposition.


al-Haddad ibn `Abd al-Jabbār: NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, a bend sinister embattled between a mouse rampant contourny and an increscent Or.


Alkibiades Attikou Argeios: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Vert, a turtle rampant argent and in chief three goblets Or each entwined with a serpent argent.

Alcibiades was a famous Greek general (450 BC-404 BC), but Alkibades was not. (It seems the client misspelled it and had originally thought of the soldier's name, http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/13306/Alcibiades .) The Lexicon of Greek Personal Names (LGPN), http://www.lgpn.ox.ac.uk/names/practices.html, has several hundred instances of the given male name Attikos, and the patronymic form for that is Attikou, putting it into the genitive case. Someone from Argos would be called Argeios. It can be found via Google Books in "A Greek-English Lexicon: Based on the German Work of Francis Passow, Part 1" by Liddel and Scott (https://books.google.com/books?id=kFNFAAAAYAAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=liddell+and+scott&hl=en&sa=X&e i=Jtf_VJ6nJNPSoATykYCoAg&ved=0CDIQ6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q=liddell%20and%20scott&f=false), p. 203, first column.
So, his name would be Alkibiades Attikou Argeios. In Greek transliteration: Ἀλκιβιάδες Ἀττικοὺ Ἀργεῖος

[Thanks to Seamus mac Riain, Black Boar Pursuivant, for working on this (I figured with his current enrollment in Classical Greek, he knew I'd be after him): he has also contacted the client and he is fine with his first name being Alkibiades.]

A few commenters had difficulty identifying the serpents wrapped around the goblets.


Alpin Hunter: NEW NAME


Aoibhenn inghean Ui Maille: NEW NAME

Since this element is pre-1200, the proper patronymic marker is ingen, rather than inghean.


Archibald Henderson: NEW NAME


Arnfríðr Friðreksdotter : NEW NAME CHANGE from Fíne ingen huí Chatháin and NEW BADGE: (badge) Azure, a sea-turtle bendwise sinister Or.


Bergdís Berbeinn: NEW NAME


Beth of Granite Mountain: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, in fess a natural dolphin embowed azure and a sheaf of arrows gules, a chief counter-ermine.


Cameron MacLaren: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, a lion sejant contourny argent maintaining a shepherd's crook Or between three triskeles argent.


Cathal Finn Ó Briain: NEW BADGE: Argent, semy of lozenges,a bordure gules.


Caylye Gaspur: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, a wolf-headed beaver rampant, a bordure Or semy of triskelions of spirals gules.


Ceara inghean Chárthaigh: NEW DEVICE: Argent, a schnecke purpure and in chief a lizard tergiant fesswise vert.


Decima Aspenewell: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a tree blasted and eradicated, on a bordure purpure semy of cogwheels argent.

The client will be told that she doesn't need quite so many cogwheels if she prefers to draw less.


Dominic de la Mer: BADGE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2014: (Fieldless) A fox sejant gardant queue-forchy proper within and conjoined to an annulet vert.


Dubhchobhlaigh inghean Eoin uí Ealaighthe: HH NAME RESUBMISSION Laurel, November 2014, House of Green Cart


Emma Mordeboice: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a butterfly purpure and in chief three seeblatter vert.


Enia al-Andalusiyya: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess embattled azure and argent, a crossbow inverted an a dumbek counterchanged.


Eoin the Steward: NEW DEVICE: Argent, on a hurt a cross couped argent, a base sable.


Eric Edgarson: NEW NAME CHANGE, from Otto Christoph von Frankenau


Friedrich Swartzen Hut: NEW NAME CHANGE from Godfrey of Argyle, and NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Lozengy bendy azure and argent, a hat sable.


Garth MacPhail: NEW DEVICE: Per chevron sable and gules, a clenched hand sustaining a quill pen, on a chief argent, the words “Manu Forti cum Verba” sable.

Rifling through my old Latin text from high school, this might be more correct as Verbis. The client is a writer, and this is an interpretation of the pen being mightier than the sword. Any assistance with the grammar is appreciated.


Geneviève de Lironcourt: NEW BADGE: Sable, a stalk of celery and a carrot crossed in sinister, and in chief an onion, all argent.

Genta Ishimashū of the North: NEW NAME


Gregory von Dargun: NEW NAME


Hreiðarr Eiríkrson: NEW NAME


Jaku'an Kakujo: NEW BADGE: Sable, in pale an increscent and a decresent conjoined in fess, and the letter V, all within a hexagon voided and fracted at all vertices argent.


Keane Unnrson of Gyldenholt: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess sable and azure, on a fess embowed argent a sea-serpent ondoyant gules.

ffride wlffsdotter comments: “Lind col. 1061 notes the genitive of Unnr is Unnar, hence the byname would be Unnarson.” (I'm fine with that.)


Malise MacClure: NEW NAME


Marina Sparling: NEW NAME


Mariona Galloway: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, a dog passant, on a chief Or a stalk of wheat fesswise sable.

Matne Dona: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend sinister argent and vert, a stemless four-leafed clover and a skull facing to sinister counterchanged.


Meadhbh inghean Edwin: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale argent and vert, a sprig of three holly leaves counterchanged fructed gules.


Michigane Jirou of the North: NEW NAME


Pero Tercero: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a bearded and tonsured man dressed in brown monk's robes, maintaining a begging bowl and cup in his outstretched arms proper, on a chief gules three Latin crosses argent.


Roan Feóirling: NAME RESUBMISSION from Laurel, August 2014, and NEW BADGE: Azure, a sea-lion erect argent and issuant from chief a demi-sun argent, eclipsed sable.


Shannon inghean uí Bhríain: DEVICE and BADGE RESUBMISSIONS from Laurel, June 2014

(device) Argent, on a bend embowed vert, a triquetra between two four-leafed clovers all palewise Or.

(badge) Argent, on a bend embowed vert a four-leafed clover palewise Or.


Skúli Raza: NEW NAME


Terra of Burleigh: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, a frog tergiant sustaining a drop spindle fesswise argent, a chief double-arched Or.


Theodora Akropolitina: NEW NAME

Akropolites was a 13th C. scholar, found in “A Short (and rough) Guide to Byzantine Names for SCA Personae,” Hrolf Herjolfsson, http://ynysfawr.lochac.sca.org/files/pdf/Byzantine-Names.pdf. That source uses -a or -ina to feminize a family name. However, in Bardas' article, family names ending in -tes be femininized as -tissa, hence Akropolitissa, which is given as an example (http://heraldry.sca.org/names/byzantine/feminizing.html#feminizing_family_names). This might be more accurate, as Theodora is dated to the 9th C. This form is corroborated as Akropolitissa in” Prosopography of the Byzantine World: the second name Akropolites list shows Maria Akropolitissa, XI century, person number Maria 20122, Permalink: http://db.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw2011/entity/person/154467


Thomas Ward of Lancastreschire: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale sable and gules, a wolf rampant contourny and a skull, on a chief argent a sword fesswise gules.


Tobias Wade: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Gyronny gules and Or, a fleur-de-lys azure.


Þorbiǫrn Bjarnyl: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Quarterly sable and Or, a (polar) bear's head erased contourny between two escarbuncls in bend argent.


Tristan Heley: NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, three suns in pale gules between a pair of flaunches sable, each charged with a six-petaled rose argent.


William Devlin: NEW NAME


The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, February 2015:

There were no submissions acted upon in January 2015.


Áine inghean Uí Cheallaigh. Device. Per chevron azure and argent, two owls respectant argent and a tree eradicated azure trunked sable.


Alfred Jensen of Mo. Badge. (Fieldless) On a cross formy fitched at the foot sable a dove rising argent.


Antoinette of Granholme. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Vert, in fess two lozenges conjoined each per saltire argent and Or.
Submitted under the name Antoinette Marie.


Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Order name Order of the Golden Needle and badge. Azure, a needle and a bordure rayonny Or.


Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Order name Order of the Golden Quill and badge. Azure, a quill pen and a bordure rayonny Or.


Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Order name Order of the Golden Trumpet and badge. Azure, a trumpet and a bordure rayonny Or.
This order name does not conflict with the registered Gold Trumpet Herald Extraordinary: This order name is clear of the registered Golden Griffin Pursuivant, Golden Gryphon Pursuivant (both owned by the East Kingdom) and Household of the Golden Griffen; the removal of the second syllable in the adjective is a substantial change in sound and appearance. [Wealdsmere, Barony of, Order of the Gold Griffon, December 2012, A-An Tir] In the present submission, a syllable has been added, so it is similarly clear under NPN3C2 of SENA.


Gideon the Weary. Device. Sable, a dragon Or and a griffin argent addorsed tails entwined, a base wavy barry wavy argent and gules.

Honour Grenehart. Badge. Per pale azure and sable, a hurst of pine trees and a base indented argent.


Jacob Fisher de Cardif. Name and device. Per bend sinister azure and argent, a covered saltcellar shedding salt and a seadog rampant counterchanged.
Please advise the submitter to add scales on the seadog.


Séamus mac Ríáin and Iuliana of the Unicorn. Joint badge. Per pale nebuly Or and vert, a winged domestic cat sable and a unicorn argent combattant.


Sibyll Hunter. Name.
Nice late 16th century English name!


The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, February 2015:

Antoinette Marie. Name.

Section IIIA10 of the Admin Handbook states: No name will be registered to a submitter if it is identical to a name used by the submitter for purposes of identification outside of a Society context. This includes legal names, common use names, trademarks, and other items registered with mundane authorities that serve to identify an individual or group.

Precedent states that, "In the case of this submission, the submitted name Mari Alexander contains the first two names of the submitter's legal name. Therefore, it is in conflict with Mari Alexander, a legitimate use name derived from her legal name of Mari Alexander [surname], and must be returned [Mari Alexander, September 2002, R-West]."

The submission has the same problem. Antoinette Marie is a legitimate use name derived from the submitter's legal name, and must be returned.

Commenters also questioned whether this name was presumptuous due to the similarity of the name to that of the historical Marie Antoinette. We allow references to famous people, as long as there is not presumption, a claim to be or to be related to that person who is important enough to protect. Although we agree that the French queen is worthy of protection, she has never been known by the submitted name. Therefore, this name is not presumptuous.

Her device has been registered under the holding name Antoinette of Granholme.


Marceau de Valcourt. Household name Mirthful Grand Alliance of Mead and Drum.

The Letter of Intent did not demonstration that this household name was constructed in a period manner. For example, no evidence was provided to support the use of adjectives like Mirthful to describe groups of people or to modify designators, or that a phrase like Grand Alliance could be used as a designator.

Mead is not a heraldic charge. Therefore, this name does not follow the pattern of an inn-sign derived from the names of two different charges. We would interpret Mead and Drum as bynames, but we do not have evidence to support the pattern [designator] of [surname] and [surname].

Without such documentation, this household name cannot be registered.


Sundragon, Barony of. Order name Order of the Dragon and the Fireside and badge. Per pale rayonny sable and Or, in dexter base a flame proper.

This order name is returned for lack of evidence that Fireside is a plausible heraldic charge. Therefore, the pattern of Order of the X and Y, where X and Y are both heraldic charges, cannot be used. Without further documentation, this order name cannot be registered.

This badge is returned for conflict with the device of William of Sark: Sable, a flame proper. There is only one DC for changing the field. The proper flame in the submitted badge cannot be partially on the Or half of the field because it is partially Or, and thus it is forced to move. Therefore, no DC is granted for the difference in position.


Yehoshua ben Abraam. Device. Or, two pea-vines fructed and entwined about a stake, on a chief vert three stars of David Or.

This device is returned for redraw, for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." Many commenters were unable to identify the stake as an element independent from the plant.


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