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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 1 April 2014, A.S. XLVIII (no foolin'!))

Unto Their Royal Majesties Morgan and Livia; Lord Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

A little divergence from the usual: this LoP actually shows the outcome of last month's LoP (with most of the Estrella submissions upon it). Don't think you can get out of things so easily, though! The April Letter of Presentation is coming soon, and input on it will be very much appreciated (our heraldic cousins in other kingdoms have been doing all the commentary recently – on our internal letters!). It will be fairly long, with the rest of the Estrella submissions, along with the “usual” submissions sent to this office. If you can comment, please do!

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be Friday, April 18, beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for directions or if you have questions.

The following submissions appear in the March 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

[NB: There were two March LoIs published, dated 3/25/ and 3/30]

Commentary is provided by Alys Mackyntoich (AM), Andreas von Meißen (AvM), Aryanhwy merch Catmael (AmC), Brenna Lowri o Ruthin (BLoR), Gunnvor silfraharr (Gs), Juetta Copin (JC), Kolosvari Arpadne Julia (KAJ), Magnus von Lübeck (MvL), Maridonna Benvenuti (MB), Michael FitzGeoffrey (MFG), ffride wlffsdotter (fw).

Áine inghean Uí Cellaig (BoAtenveldt): New Name and Device: Per chevron azure and argent, two owls gardant respectant argent and a tree eradicated azure, trunked sable.

She needs to use the MIr form of the connective, too: <ingen Uí>. And as lenition of <C> was shown in MIr orthography, the byname needs to be <ingen Uí Chellaig>. (AmC)
<Aine> can also be Early Modern Irish; Mari docs it with Annals dates of 1316, 1319, 1325, 1329, 1381, 1382, 1386, 1405, 1419, 1427, 1431, 1441, 1468, as well as earlier.
The byname can also be Early Modern, as the root father's name is dated past 1200. In that case, it would be <inghean Uí Cheallaigh>
So, the name needs to be changed either to <Áine ingen Uí Chellaig> (pre-1200) or Áine inghean Uí Cheallaigh> (post 1200), depending on the submitter's priorities. (AM) Upon consultation with the client, she wishes to submit Áine inghean Uí Cheallaigh (MMM).

This is clear of Renee Claymore (reg. 11/2002 via Atenveldt), "Per chevron azure and argent, two martlets and a claymore inverted counterchanged", since owls are an SC from martlets, and likewise considering Meredith Welles of Goosewood (reg. 11/1994 via Calontir), Per chevron throughout azure and argent, two geese respectant reguardant and an arrow inverted counterchanged."; Vs. Deirdre ingen Cholmáin (reg. 09/2010 via Calontir), "Per chevron dovetailed azure and argent, two doves rising respectant argent and a tree eradicated proper," there's a DC for the field division and one for changing the tincture of the tree.; Vs. Mikhail Tomasov syn Ambros'ev (reg. 01/2006 via Atlantia), "Per chevron azure and argent, two horses rampant addorsed and a tree blasted and eradicated counterchanged," there's a DC for changing the type of 2/3 of the charges, and another for changing the posture/orientation of the same. (AmC) (3/30/14 LoI)

Alexander de Burdegala (Twin Moons): New Device: Per pale purpure and vert, a Bacchus face argent and on a chief wavy Or, three goblets gules.

If one checks Parker, one sees that what he says is: "Bacchus' faces is a term also found, but in this case it would have been more correct if they had been blazoned heads." He also gives no evidence that this is a period charge or term of blazon. I would blazon this as "a bearded man's head affronty crined of grapes and grape leaves". (AmC)
Appears clear from conflict. (ELM)

Allesia de Canaberiis (Ered Sul): Device Resubmission from Kingdom, September 2011: Per chevron wavy Or and gules, two otters couchant respectant in chevron sable and an edelweiss blossom argent.

The color version really needs some interior detailing on the otters. (Gs) (ELM)

Details were added to the colored version. (MMM)

Alfred Jensen of Mo (Sundragon): New Badge

Argent, a throwing axe and a spear head crossed in saltire, in base a dagger all gules.

According to the A&O he name was registered June 1987; I cannot find it in the online LoAR files. It was submitted as, and supposedly registered as Jensen, however.

Anastacia Blackmore (BoAtenveldt): New Name

Putting it in one time and place: <Anastacia Gyste> married 1592, Cornwall,England. Batch no. M00717-1 <Tho. Blackmore> christened 1592, Cornwall,England. Batch no. C02571-1 Such a lovely name! (fw)

Andrew mac Bran of Antrim (Twin Moons): New Name

Following <mac>, <Bran> must be in the genitive case: <Brain>. It would be better to document this part of the name directly (via, and then appeal to the grandfather clause only for <of Antrim>. (AmC)
We can also avoid appealing to the legal name allowance by noting that R&W s.n. Andrew date <Richard Andrew> to 1317. (AmC)

I don't think we even need to rely on the grandfather clause for Antrim?
To quote from the LoI entry for <Bran Padraig of Antrim>, registered as <Bran mac Padraig of Antrim>:
From CELT: The Corpus of Electronic Texts, is the text of "The History of Ireland" (Foras Feasa ar Éirinn (Book I-II)) (Author: Geoffrey Keating (Gaelic name Seathrún Céitinn, an Irish Roman Catholic priest and historian, c. 1569-c. 1644 ) written c. 1640. Citations in Section 23, pg 100-101:
"... , as Raghnall son of Samhairle, Earl of Antrim, or Aondrom, descended from Colla Uais ..."
and "... , mar atá Raghnall mac Samhairle Iarla Antruim nó nAondroma ó Cholla Uais ..."
( )
demonstrate what seems to be Gray Period, non-normalized English and Gaelic forms of the place. Many thanks (and a pair of new garden gloves!) to Ines Alfón for digging up a written source of the name! (fw)

I bet we can do this name in an entirely Anglicized form that requires minimal spelling changes.
<Andrew> appears as a male Anglicized Irish given name in "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" by Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada (, dated to 1548, 1551, 1601, and 1602-03.
<M'Bran> appears as an italicized 16th/17th cen. Anglicized Irish form in Woulfe p. 323 s.n. Mac Brain. Because <M'> is a scribal abbreviation, it must be expanded to Mac. Mari's "Names Found in Anglicized Irish Documents" showed Mac both capitalized and not.
<Antrim> appears as a place name in a pardon issued in 1597, found in the Fiants of Elizabeth I, at p. 69 of Report of the Deputy Keeper of the Public Records in Ireland, Volume 17, Parts 1885-1888 (
So <Andrew mac Bran of Antrim> is a perfectly reasonable 16th cen. Anglicized Irish name. (AM) (Considering the issues that the client's father had registering his own name, Alys' solution is very welcome. (MMM))

Atenveldt, Barony of, (BoAtenveldt): New Order Name (Order of the Argent Arrow of the Barony of Atenveldt) and Badge: Gules, two palm trees couped crossed in saltire in chief a crescent-headed arrow fesswise argent.

This fits the order pattern of heraldic color + heraldic charge. The April 2012 Cover Letter allows the use of heraldic color terms in order names. (MvL)

No conflict found outside of the barony's own registrations.
The charge is documented from: Mistholme Heraldry, Illumination, And Random Jottings Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry. s.n. Arrow "Finally, the "crescent-shaped arrowhead" is a forked arrowhead, with two points. It's a period artifact; the charge (or one very similar) is found in the arms of Motringer, mid-16th C. [NW 36]. The illustration is taken from Motringer."
And the original source cited is: [NW] Raber, V. Vigil Rabers Neustifter Wappenbuch. Edited by H.W. Arch. Verlag A. Weger, Brixen, 2001 (orig. compiled mid-16th C.). (MvL)

Atenveldt, Barony, New Order Name Change (Order of the Gules Hurlebatte of the Barony of Atenveldt)

There is no such thing as alternate names for order names. If this is a change, then the old name has to be released. If they want both names, then this should be submitted as a new name. (AmC)

The usual procedure is to close and retire the old order, retain it in registration, and then register a new order name to replace it. At least, that is what my barony and kingdom has done.

If you release the old order name it may offend members who have recieved that order in the past, unless the barony plans to award the new order to all of the previous recipients. Since it is a recent order that might be possible.

If the barony has decided to release the Order of the Red Hurlebatte I believe it requires a separate Letter of Intent entry and a letter from the ruling noble of the barony stating the intent.

Schwarzdrachen, is that the current procedure for release of order name? (MvL)
The April 2012 Cover Letter allows the use of heraldic color terms in order names. (MvL)

All the Barony wishes to do is have the name of the Order altered to be more in line (using heraldic tinctures for the "colors" in the Order names)with the other Order names associated with the Barony. I doubt that the recipients will mind (this is an Order designated for children). If the previous Order name cannot be retained, it can be released. (MMM))

Aviva Dumas (Twin Moons): New Name

Broccán Ó Staimna (Atenveldt): New Name and Device: Sable, in pale three eagles.

He needs the MIr form of the particle, <ua>, in order for the byname to be linguistically compatible. (AmC) (AM)

There is, unfortunately, a conflict with the just-registered badge of Taldo Venturini (January 2014, East): <Azure, in pale three eagles Or>. There is only a single DC for the field. (AvM) (Gs) (ELM)

Extensive work with the client came up with a design that he much preferred (Or, on a pale sable three eagles Or.), cleared the conflict, and immediately caused a new conflict with a device registered to Saito Takauji, Or, on a pale sable three cherry blossoms Or. (registered December 2013!!!)

Cathryn Sylvestrov (BoAtenveldt): New Name

Did the submitter give a source for <Cathryn>? I can get as close as <Catharin>, if it was a mixed Russian/Slovakian name? (fw)
<Catharin Sindler> baptised 09 Apr 1612, Slovakia. No batch number, but there is a scan of the document. See image 1.; and
<Catharin Schmidt> baptised 05 Mar 1611, Slovakia. No batch number, but there is a scan of the document. See image 2.
But given those surnames, would these records be considered German or Slovakian for the purposes of SENA?

Columba de Palomares (Tir Ysgithr): New Badge: (Fieldless) A dove volant bendwise argent sustaining and harnessed to its back a grenade bendwise inverted sable enflamed proper.

The name was registered December 2004.

The use of animals as missile bearers (specifically birds and cats) is noted in a 500-year-old German manuscript on battle tactics/siege warfare uncovered by University of Pennsylvania researcher Mitch Fraas, While this weaponry was said never to have been implemented, the use of animals as pyrotechnic technicians is noted in the Old Testament, with Samson capturing foxes and attaching torches to their tails, then allowing them to run through the Philistines' fields (Judges 15: 1-3), and in the 20th C., making bats into incendiary devices that would burn the wood and paper structures found in Japan of that era (

Conrad Bombast von Trittenheim: New Name Change

Dawn Greenwall (BoAtenveldt): New Name

The MED s.v. <grēne> ( has surnames that are green + landscape-feature:

  • 1166 Grenedala

  • c.1175 Grenehilheg

  • 1200 Alwin. de la Greneden

  • 1246 William Grenescleue

  • 1297 Iohanne ate Grenelane

  • a.1307 Terra Ricardi de Greneweye

  • 1324 Nicholaus de Grenestede

  • 1327 Pet. atte Grenestrete..Joh. atte grenewey

  • 1397 Grentone

  • 1403 Grindon

  • c.1460 Grene Diche

The MED s.v. <wal> ( has surnames with second elements as <-wall>, one of which is specifically color + wall (Blackwall):

  • 1332 Agn. Brekewall

  • 1255 Thurlewall

  • 1377 Blakewale

  • 1387 le Westwall Gs)

Deletha of Anandyrdale (Twin Moons): New Badge: Or, a squirrel rampant and a bordure embattled sable.

Reblazon: "Or, a squirrel rampant vert and a bordure embattled sable." (AmC)
I find no conflicts, either. I agree with Schwarzdrachen re: the blazon. I also think a thicker, bolder bordure would be better. (MFG)

Appears clear from conflict. Internal detailing would help the squirrel in the colored version, but I could still recognize it as a squirrel. (ELM)
No conflict found. If you enlarge the picture it is clearly a squirrel.(MvL)

Elizabeth Clough (Twin Moons): New Name and Device: Azure, a lion's head caboshed argent and a chief ermine.

Nice name! <Elizabeth Chelsea> cited by OSCAR is not a conflict. (AmC)

Clear of Elektra Leonidas (reg. 02/1986 via the East), "Sable, a lion's head caboshed argent within a bordure ermine," with DCs for the field and the type of peripheral.
Clear of Christopher of York (reg. 06/2001 via Æthelmearc), Counterermine, a natural tiger's head cabossed Or marked sable, a bordure ermine," with DCs for the field tincture and the tincture of the head.
Clear of Aramanth de Warrene (reg. 11/1991 via the West), "Azure, a cat's head cabossed within an orle argent," with a DC for the type of peripheral and one for the tincture.
Clear of Leonardo Capriolo (reg. 11/1997 via Atlantia), "Azure, a lion's head cabossed, on a chief argent three roses azure," with a DC for the chief's tincture and another for removing the tertiaries.
Clear of Siegfried der Unverzagt von Brandenburg (reg. 04/1989 via Ansteorra), "Azure, a lion's head, winged, erased and affronty, argent", with a DC for removing the wings and one for adding the chief.

Looks like she found a niche. (AmC)

Finán mac Tigernaig (Twin Moons): New Name and Device: Vert, a cock's head erased contourny Or, beaked, combed and wattled gules, within an orle argent.

Great name! (AmC)
Blazon: "Vert, a cock's head erased contourny Or wattled and combed gules, an orle argent". (AmC)

Appears clear from conflict. (ELM)

Blazon-fu: <Vert, a cock's head contourny erased Or, crested and jellopped gules within an orle argent. Jellopped is a specific term of blazonry for chicken wattles that I learned from Talan Gwynek. The OED cites the 1610 Guillim's Display of Heraldrie iii. xxi. 164 "He beareth Gules, three Cockes Argent, Armed, Crested, and Iellopped Or, by the name of Cocke. (Gs) Cool term (and I like “armed,” too)! (MMM)

Grigor Medvedov (Tir Ysgithr): New Name and Device: Azure, two bears combattant and on a chief argent a Latin cross between two mullets of eight points gules.

Medved is a male given name dated to 1495 (as Medved'),; the citation gives Medvedev as a patronymic form, 1523. His original byname follows the construction found in Paul's Grammar section,, which uses -ov or -ev as a patronymic ending. I don't know if one form is more correction than the other.
It's in Wickenden's grammar section (as linked): -ev after soft consonants, -ov after hard consonants. As you noted, the name is Medved'; that's a soft sign at the end, so it should be Medvedev, as in the (cited) dated form. (In other words: no, you can't just pick a suffix randomly.) (KAJ)

Ilandria Brin (Ered Sul): Device Resubmission from Laurel, July 2012: Sable, three triquetras in pale Or, a bordure compony azure and argent.

Clear (by 4 DCs) of: Tearlach MacCarnochan The following device associated with this name was registered in May of 1990 (via the East):
Sable, in pale three chevrons inverted and braced argent and three serpents in annulo, fretted in triquetra, Or.
1 DC for change of tincture of secondary (SENA A5G3a; serpents Or vs. bordure argent & azure)
1 DC for change of type of secondary (A5G4; serpents vs. bordure)
1 DC for change of number of secondaries (A5G5; three serpents bordure)
1 DC for change of arrangement of secondary (A5G6; serpents in annulo, fretted in triquetra vs. bordure)
I find no other conflicts, either. (MFG)

Actually, you can stop at substantial change of the primary charge. (ELM)

Jacqueline du Bosc (Sundragon): New Name and Device: Gules, a cross checky sable and argent between four hearts argent.

If the submitter gets a letter from her mother or sister attesting to the relationship, she will be able to use the exact same form of the byname that they registered. (AM) (3/30/14 LoI)

Juliette Dashwood (Twin Moons): New Device Change: Per bend argent and purpure, a quail contourny sable within a bordure counterchanged.

Kathleen of Anandyrdale (Twin Moons): New Name

<Kathleen> appears in my article "Something Rich and Strange: "Undocumentable" Names From The IGI Parish Records" ( as an English female given name dated to 1571, 1585, 1601 and later.
I found <Anandyrdale> as a place name in the Appendix to "An abstract of the evidence adduced to prove that sir William Stewart, of Jedworth, the paternal ancestor of the present earl of Galloway, was the second son of sir Alexander Stewart of Darnley" (, in a Scots language document dated to 1418. (AM)

Lena d'Siena (Twin Moons): New Name

Neither <de> nor <da> elide before consonants. (AmC)

Does the submitter allow changes? (MB)

Lucian Lenoir (Sundragon): New Name and Device: Per fess Or and purpure, a jester's cap conjoined with a mask of comedy in pale, a bordure indented counterchanged.

Establishing <Lucian> firmly in French, my article "Something Rich and Strange: "Undocumentable" Names From The IGI Parish Records" ( gives:

LUCIAN BOURAVIN Male Marriage 14 January 1630 Saint-Germain-En-Laye, Seine-Et-Oise, France Batch: M803143
LUCIAN LORMIER Male Marriage 21 February 1634 Saint-Germain-En-Laye, Seine-Et-Oise, France Batch: M803143

"French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438" by Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( has <Le Noir> dated to 1421. (AM)

Mercurio da Spin (BoAtenveldt): New Name and Device: Per saltire argent and sable, four bats counterchanged.

I generally prefer the period term for bat, "reremouse".
This is in direct conflict with the device of Andrew of Elm Cottage (January 1987, Caid): <Per saltire argent and sable, four bats displayed counterchanged>. The two devices are identical.
Swapping the tinctures of the field would clear the conflict, and not introduce any others. I recommend the submitter withdraw this and resubmit <Per saltire sable and argent, four bats displayed counterchanged>. (AvM) (LM)

That must be what the last line 'whoops' on the letter refers to. The field tincture is backwards on the emblazon. (MvL)

Agree with the conflict call vs Andrew. (ELM)

The client was notified and has agreed to redesign his device to clear the conflict with Andrew.

Miguel Alejandro Mendoza (BoAtenveldt): New Name and Device: Per pale gules and argent, in pale a sheaf of arrows inverted sable and a vol per pale argent and sable.

Iiiiiiiiiiiiinteresting. I should inform my Baron (Alejandro Ramirez Mendoza) that he has a son floating around that he doesn't know about. (AvM)

Unmarked locatives are registrable for Spanish if he really wants it. (MvL)

As drawn, the sheaf of arrows has vastly less visual weight than the vol. Reblazon: Per pale gules and argent, a vol counterchanged argent and sable, and in chief a sheaf of arrows inverted sable. (Gs)

Appears clear from conflict. I would suggest redrawing the arrows to be bolder. (ELM)

The arrows have been made bolder. (MMM)

Morgan MacDuff and Dawn Silverrose (BoAtenveldt): New Household Name, “Fellowship of the Skulls

Odette Steingrim (Sundragon): New Name and Device: Purpure, a willow tree and on a chief rayonny argent, three demi-swans displayed sable.

Stepfather or no, a 16th c. French given name does not combine with a 10th c. Viking given name used as an unmarked patronymic. (Gs)

I wasn't able to find if a temporal/lingual anomaly can be permitted if permission to use a name element is invoked. (MMM)

Ophelia le Fayre (BoAtenveldt): New Name
I Batches are usable on a case-by-case basis. [May 2013 Cover Letter] Some I Batches are based on post-period records, and those records are not usable. [See, e.g., Asenath de Winter, 7/2013 LoAR, A-Outlands]. This particular one doesn't have the record available to view, so I'm not sure it's usable.
From permissible batches in the Family Search Historical Records, we have:

Ophalia Colier; Female; Christening; 13 May 1599; Kings Areley, Worcester, England; Batch: C13561-5
Ophalia King; Christening; Female; 1575; Kings Areley, Worcester, England; Batch: C13561-5
Ophila Tylman; Marriage; 24 Aug 1629; Colyton, Devon, England; Batch: M00185-1 (AM)

If Ophelia is determined unusable, the client will accept Ophila, dated 1629. (MMM)

Otto Umble (Twin Moons): New Name and Device: Argent, on a bend cotised sable, four fleurs-de-lys argent.

Both batches are acceptable for registration and both names are from England. How and Otto got to England is a good question. (MvL)

Even on the line version, the fleurs-de-lys are disjointed and hard to identify. On the colored version it's just that much more difficult. The fleurs should also occupy all of their space. (Gs)
I thought this as well. Orle's redraw is vastly improved. As redrawn, this is wonderful heraldry. (AvM)
Appears clear from conflict, but the fleurs do need to be redrawn. These look like a stencil. (ELM)

(That is is a stencil probably has something to do with it; Gunnvor's emblazons have been substituted. (MMM))

Pelleas of Crete (Tir Ysgithr): Device Resubmission from Laurel, November 2013: Erminois, a ram's head cabossed vert.

The name was registered November 2013.

The original submission, Sable, on a fess ermine a ram's head cabossed gules., was returned for conflict with William de Cameron, Sable, a fess ermine., and for redrawing. This is a redesign.

Raynagh ingen huí Timothy (BoAtenveldt): New Name and Device: Per pale azure and argent, a butterfly counterchanged.

<ingen huí Timothy> combines Gaelic and English in the same phrase and is not registerable. (AmC)

<Raynagh> is an Anglicized name. She doesn't need to use a Gaelic byname with it. <Raynagh Timothy> would equally indicate that she is Timothy's daughter. For the use of <Timothy> as an unmarked patronymic surname, the Family Search Historical Records have: Mary Timothy; Female; Christening; 24 Sep 1637; Hadlow, Kent, England; Batch: C13135-1.

<Tadhg> really isn't "equivalent" to Timothy. That's a modern association.
She also might want to consider the Anglicized Irish byname <O Tymonie>, which is found in Woulfe p. 652 s.n. Ó Tiománaigh as an italicized 16th/17th cen. Anglicized Irish form. <Raynagh O Tymonie> would be an entirely Anglicized name. (AM)

Further correspondence from the client "...Raynagh O Tymonie sounds perfectly fine to me. If that is all that is needed to fix the issue, I would choose that version." (MMM)

Roan Feórna (Ered Sul): New Name and Device: Azure, an heraldic harbor seal erect and issuant from chief a demi-sun argent eclipsed sable.

Charges are heraldic by default. (AmC)

If the given name is truly Gaelic, it is probably not pronounced the way s/he thinks it is. Confirmed the documentation for <Feórna>. (AM)

Robert Heinrich and Annya Sergeeva (Tir Ysgithr): New Joint Badge: (Fieldless) An estoile Or.

This conflicts with the device of Thomas Loxley, <Per pale azure and gules, an estoile Or>, currently on the Lochac LoI dated 2014-02-12 ( Thomas' device is scheduled to appear on the May 2014 LoAR.
There is only one DC for the field. (AvM) (ELM)

I would still send this up to Laurel. Thomas Loxley's submission isn't registered yet and something could happen to get it returned. Even if it gets registered permission to conflict might be easier to get if people see the badge at Laurel. (MvL)

This _cannot_ be returned in kingdom for conflict with Thomas, since Thomas's armory is not registered. (AmC)

Concur with Schwarzdrachen. If I were the herald on this one, I'd be trying to tack down PtC right now ahead of time. (Gs)

Agree with the conflict vs Thomas. (ELM)

Roland Moreau (Sundragon): New Name and Device: Per saltire azure and sable, in pale two lyres and in fess two swords argent.

Roswitha von Wolfsfeldt (BoAtenveldt): New Name and Device: Per fess Or and sable, a rose gules and a wolf's head caboshed argent.

Bahlow s.n. Roswitha dates the name from the 10th century.
I see no problem with the name construction but if SENA should cause an issue proof of relationship might be a good idea.
Ulrich von Wolfsfeldt This name was registered in July of 2012 (via Atenveldt). (MvL)

Appears clear from conflict. The wolf sorta looks like a rat or a shrew head. (ELM)

I agree that this could have a "wolfier" wolf, but as drawn, this wolf is within the range of period depictions of wolves (Image #1). [To the eye of this Texas gal, it looks like an angry armadillo...] Wolves in period armory can look like anything from otters to dogs to foxes. Often the only way I know for sure a charge is a wolf is because it's a cant, or because the beast is either blue or black, or vulned on the shoulder. (Gs)

I find this depiction of a wolf's head distinctly non-wolf like, and would not recommend it. (AmC)

To me it looked like an angry possum. Definitely not a wolf. (MvL) The wolf has been redrawn. (MMM)

Sayyid ibn Tariq al-Muhibb (Twin Moons): New Name

[al-Muh.ibb] (with a dot under the h) is found in the alphabetical listing of nicknames from the same article. (JC)

<Sayyid> is a title, "Lord" ( (Gs)

None of the other bynames refer to locations so it should be allowed under the Regina the Laundress ruling. (MvL)

I agree that <Sayyid> is not presumptuous here. (AmC)

Segardus de Roma (Sundragon): New Name

The name is Italian. Segardus is a male given name found in “Masculine Names from Thirteenth Century Pisa: Men's Names in Alphabetical Order,” Juliana de Luna, de Roma, is a locative, “from Rome,” although I think more accurate form is da Roma.

No conflict found. De is found in some Italian names as a leftover from the Latin. (MvL)

I think more precisely it is that we find <de> in Latin documents and Latinized names.(Gs)

You also found <de> in documents where the names are otherwise indistinguishable from Italian. (AmC)

Shannon inghean Uí Bríáín (BoAtenveldt): New Name, Device and Badge: Argent, on a bend counter-embowed vert, a triquetra between two shamrocks all palewise Or.

(badge) Argent, on a bend counter-embowed vert a shamrock Or.

No conflict found. The name is not intrusively modern. If the name were English we could document Shannon as a given name in LDS IGI Parish Extracts:
Richard Shannon 2 February 1605 STOKE HOLY CROSS,NORFOLK,ENGLAND C14513
Elezabeth Shannon 20 Sep 1645 Holy Trinity Micklegate,York,York,England M01110 (MvL)

Since Gaelic and English can be combined without penalty, <Shannon> ca

Thora Thumb Dragon (Windale): New Device: Per pale vert and sable, a polypus within an orle of skulls Or.

There was a lot of controversy on the drawing of the polypus, why some are registered and some are returned – this seems based on how the tentacles are arranged so that the animal is quickly identifiable. (I'm not including it here: if you want to read it, all all commentrary verbatim for this Letter of Presentation: No conflict was found here, and I believe that the polypus, even with a few crossed tentacles is identifiable (rather than being smushed into an non-identifiable blob of polypus goo). Additionally, this is the drawing taken directly from the Pennsic Traceable Art project.

(I've heard some complaint on several templates taken from that resource. If the templates are incorrect or inadequate for drawing purposes, are the authors correcting them? Are the authors being made aware of them? It seems to say nothing is a disservice to the authors and our clients alike.)

Tiberus Artorius Lupus (Twin Moons): New Name and Device: Or, three wolf's heads erased one and two sable.

A Simple Guide to Imperial Roman Names by Ursula Georges,, The Praenomen – Tiberius.
A Study of the Cognomina of Soldiers in the Roman Legions, By Lindley Richard Dean at Google Books, Lupus (MvL)

I found no conflicts. Nice cant. (AvM)

Since one and two isn't listed as an arrangement under substantial change of the primary charge group, how does this compare to Hanor Blackwolf: The following device associated with this name was registered in July of 1985 (via the West): Or, three wolf's heads couped contourny sable. (ELM)

One DC for arrangement, one for the orientation of the charges. (AmC)

Clear then ;-) (ELM)

Tomas de Leon (Ered Sul): New Name and Device: Quarterly gules and sable, a spider Or.

Úlfr vafri (BoAtenveldt): Device Resubmission from Laurel, July 2013: Argent, a wolf's head caboshed bendwise gules maintaining in its month a sword, the blade enflamed Or.

Wilhelm Tepes (BoAtenveldt): New Name

The name generated a LOT of discussion ( The most important parts I've picked out:

Tepes occurs as a Hungarian surname; Kázmér explains it as "probably a diminutive of the old secular name Tepe", and lists 1453: Vincenti Thepes, circa 1459: Nicolai Thepes, 1549: Benedictus Thepes, and 1579: R. Tepes [Tamás]. (Fehértói has the "old secular name" as Thepe, dated to 1274/1291.)
The (modern) Hungarian equivalent of Wilhelm is Vilmos. Fehértói has headers for Vilhalm and variants, Vilhelmus and variants, and Vilmos, and each entry has many citations from the 12th and 13th centuries. I have not found any later period usage, and Kázmér does not have an entry for this name (unless you take Villám 'lightning' as a variant, which based on Fehértói's entry under Vilhalm is not impossible, but such a possibility is not mentioned by Kázmér).
I have, on the other hand, encountered Wolffgangus alternating with Farkas (Hungarian for 'wolf') as the same person's name in 16th century Hungary (Kázmér s.n. Nádasdi), so using SENA's language combinatoric allowances to mix a Hungarian surname with a German given name is not actually all that far afield. It would probably have been Latinized, though: Wilhelmus Tepes. (KAJ)

Note that the name in this submission is Tepes, not Tsepesh as in the precedent. As near as I can tell, tepes is meaningless in Romanian -- the word for "spike" appears to be ţeapă, with a hook on the 't', which (according to Wikipedia) indicates a 'ts' sound. The name is also basically meaningless in Hungarian -- there is a word tépés which can be understood as 'laceration' (root tép 'to tear'), but it's very rarely used. So there's only one language left in which an offensive meaning might be applicable to this submission, and that's English. Is tepes inherently offensive in English? Does it even mean anything? I don't think so, but that's just my opinion. (KAJ)

SENA expanded the offense rulings to meanings in foreign languages even if English speakers didn't get it without explanation. A precedent on this byname can be overturned but it may also get returned at Laurel for offense.
PN.5. Personal Names Offense
A. Definitions: No name that is offensive to a large segment of members of the SCA or the general public will be registered. Offense is a modern concept; just because a name was used in period does not mean that it is not offensive to the modern observer. Offense returns are rare because the bar for determining offensiveness is quite high; it has not been unusual for years to pass between returns for offense.
Offense is not dependent on intent. The fact that a submitter did not intend to be offensive is not relevant. The standard is whether a large segment of the SCA or the general public would be offended.
Similarly, offense is not dependent on clarity. A foreign language name that has an offensive meaning may be considered offensive, even if many English-speaking listeners would not understand the term without explanation. (MvL)

SENA doesn't actually contradict what I'm trying to say. I think.
First a clarification of terms. I'm using "offense-by-translation" for a meaning that a large portion of the populace would find offensive if they knew said meaning, but which most of them don't know without it being explained. SENA says such terms may still be ruled offensive, which is fine -- if the offending meaning is in the same language as the name itself. In other words, we shouldn't disallow the Roman byname Curva just because it sounds identical to the Hungarian word kurva 'whore'. A Roman name should only be ruled offensive if it means something nasty _in Latin_.
Similarly, if tepes means something bad in the language it's documented in, then it may be ruled offensive even though we mostly speak English. But it doesn't. Even if you go back to the language where it supposedly has the objectionable meaning, you find that it's not quite spelled correctly to have that meaning. In the actually-documented language, it just means "son of so-and-so", which cannot possibly be offensive.
Yes, this opens the door to what amounts to stunt documentation to avoid offense: if Sploing means "mothereffing" in Doombekian, but you can find it as a byname meaning "rosebud" in Zitherese, and Doombekian and Zitherese are in compatible naming groups, can you register Sploing? I say that for the offense-by-translation category, yes, you should be able to register it. (KAJ)

As Julia notes <Tepes> =/= <Tsepesh>. The precedent you cite does not apply. (AmC) (Correctly pronounced, this isn't the way most of us would pronounce Vlad's byname. MMM)

I have no objection to sending the name to Laurel for a ruling. Returns for offense are best determined at that level not kingdom. It is just my suspicion that it will be ruled offensive. (MvL)

Yehoshua ben Abraam (Twin Moons): New Device: Or, two pea-plants fructed and entwined about a pole, on a chief vert three stars of David two and one Or.

Appears clear from conflict. I don't know if a single pea plant drawn in this manner is identifiable. In any case, it'd need to be much bolder. I don't have a problem with the stars though, although, if redrawn, I'd enlarge the chief *just* slightly to give the stars more room to show the arrangement. (ELM)

Blazon-fu: Or, two pea-vines fructed and entwined around a stake, on a chief vert three stars of David two and one Or. (Gs)

The following submissions were returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds for further work, March 2014:

Cerridwen ingen Dubhghaill (Tir Ysgithr): New Name and Device: Argent, three double roses purpure and argent barbed and seeded proper and issuant from base a mountain vert.

From the May 2009 LoAR cover letter: " of the May 2009 decisions meetings, we declare that no new name elements or name patterns will be ruled SCA-compatible, that all names previously ruled SCA-compatible are no longer SCA-compatible and that in order for them to be registered, documentation meeting the same standards as for non-SCA-compatible names will be required." Is there any documentation for the name Cerridwen since 2007? (fw)

Nope. (AmC)

Closest thing I have found is an English surname: <Elizabeth Kedewen> married 1563, England. Batch no. M03733-1 (fw)

Goutte d'Eau is completely correct about SCA-compatible names. <Cerridwen> cannot be registered without independent documentation. It's one of those names that I've tried to find several times in the IGI/Family Search, without much luck. <Dubhghaill> is the Early Modern Irish form, which means that the patronymic marker must be the Early Modern Irish <inghean>. The Middle Irish form would be <ingen Dubgaill>. (AM)

Appears clear from conflict. If the roses are the sole primary, then I would suggest reducing the mount's size a bit and letting the roses be more central. I would reblazon as: Argent, three double roses purpure and argent and a mountain vert. (ELM)

RETURNED for using a non-SCA-compatible name.

Dominic de la Mer (Twin Moons): New Badge: (Fieldless) A fox sejant gardant queue-forchy gules.

Conflict with Gregoire Reynard de Bourgogne (reg. 08/1978), "Per chevron, barry wavy of ten Or and azure, and argent, a red fox sejant proper." One DC for the field, none for the number of tails. (AmC, ELM)

RETURNED for conflict.

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