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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 1 April 2011, A.S. XLV (no foolin')
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Phelan and Amirah; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!



This is the April 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. Where there any submissions this month, know that I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at brickbat@nexiliscom.com or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! Groups ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atenveldt_Submissions_Commentary/ ) and post there. (Commentary is likely be included in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!)

Please have commentary to me for those submissions under consideration for the April 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent by 10 April 2011. Thanks!


Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well. If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.


Estrella War submissions: most of the submissions accepted at the Estrella War consultation table were included in the March 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent (commentary on those included can be found below). A few were held back for further commentary or to contact clients with potential conflicts or other problems; these will like be on the April 2011 LoI.


Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 15 April. For more information, please contact me ( brickbat@nexiliscom.com ).


Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.


College of Arms Actions: Atenveldt registrations and returns made at the January 2011 Laurel meetings (submissions found on the October 2010 Atenveldt LoI) are found at the end of this report.


Please consider the following submissions for the April 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


`Ā'isha al-Zakiyya bint Yazīd al-Mayūrqī (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

The name is Arabic. All elements are found in “Arabic Names from al-Andalus,” Juliana de Luna ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/alandalus/ ). `Ā'isha is a feminine 'ism/given name. al-Zakiyya is a laqab/descriptive nickname, “the intelligent.” Yazīd is a masculine 'ism. al-Mayūrqī is a masculine nisba/locative nickname, “of/from Mallorca.” The name means A'isha the Intelligent, daughter of Yazid from Mallorca. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name, that of Andalusia. She will not accept Major changes to the name.


Alistair Stewart (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly sable and azure, a cross argent charged with three triskeles in fess sable.

The name is Scots. The documentation provided only referenced the sources from which they were taken, with no photocopies of the book(s)/ URLs in question (one of the sources, The Clan Donald, has a 1900 publishing date, so it's a fair guess that very few heralds have copies of it to corroborate the information).

That being said, Alastair is cited in Black, coming from the Alasdair, the Gaelic form of Alexander (p. 14 s.n. Alastair); Gilbert, son of Donald, son of Alastair Mor, received a grant of lands in 1330 (p. 16 s.n. Alexander). The spelling Alistair has been registered several times by the College of Arms, most recently June 1995. Stewart is found as a byname in “13th & 14th Century Scottish Names: The Surnames,” Symon Freser of Lovat ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/symonFreser/scottish14/scottish14_sur.html ).


Anastasia filia Maguch (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE

Argent, on a bend sable between two sheaves of lilacs purpure slipped and leaved vert banded purpure a peacock feather Or.

The name was registered November 2006.


Caoilinn inghean Fhaelchon (Twin Moons): NEW NAME CHANGE, from Duncan of Kilernan

The original name was registered January 1999. If the new name submission is registered, the client wishes to release the old name.

The name is Irish Gaelic. Caoilinn is found as the modern (post-period) form of the feminine given name Cáelfind, Cáelainn in Ó Corráin and MacGuire, Irish Names, p. 41. This source can no longer be used as a sole source of Irish Gaelic names. Regarding this form in the LoAR May 2009:

Cáelainn ingen Cháemgein hui Thaidc. Name. Submitted as Caoilinn ingen Chaoimhin Ó Taidc, there were numerous problems with the name. First, the given name Caoilinn was documented only as a modern Gaelic form. Modern spellings of Gaelic names are only registerable if it is demonstrated that they are also appropriate for the end of our period. Since Gaelic underwent two substantial spelling changes after 1600, once around the early 18th century and again in the middle of the 19th century, modern spellings of Gaelic names are very rarely also appropriate for before 1600. Earlier forms of Caoilinn are Cáelfind or Cáelainn; these are both early Irish forms. The only examples of Cáelfind or Cáelainn that we could find are of a saint who lived in the 6th or 7th C; she had a place named after her in the 13th C, so we know that the saint was known throughout the Old and Middle Irish era (c. 700-c.1200). This means that Cáelfind or Cáelainn is registerable as a saint's name in Old or Middle Irish contexts. Of these two spellings Cáelainn is closer to the submitted Caoilinn than Cáelfind is. Fáelchú is an Old Irish Gaelic (c700-c900) masculine given name; its genitive form is Fáelchon, the closest we can get to the submitted form (“Index of Names in Irish Annals: Fáelchú,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/Faelchu.shtml ). The construction of the name follows the standard pattern seen in “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names,” 3rd Edition Sharon L. Krossa ( http://www.medievalscotland.org/scotnames/quickgaelicbynames/#simplepatronymicbyname ). The client desires a female name and is most interest in the meaning and language/culture of the name. She will not accept Major changes to the name. Given the ruling by the College of Arms in May 2009, the name would probably be more accurate as Cáelainn inghean Fáelchon.

Colm Kile of Lochalsh (Granholme): ALTERNATE NAME, Colm Beforethestorm, and BADGE RESUBMISSIONS from Laurel, June 2010

Per bend sinister sable and azure, in bend an Aeolus argent blowing to sinister base, overall two scarpes Or.

The primary persona name was registered November 1993.

The original alternate name submission, Belching Tom Tupper, was returned for obstrusive modernity; multiple commenters agreed that the combination of Tupper and of Ware creates an obtrusive reference to the modern commercial product Tupperware. Therefore, it falls afoul of the precedent: “The fact that this is a "joke name" is not, in and of itself, a problem. The College has registered a number of names, perfectly period in formation, that embodied humor: Drew Steele, Miles Long, and John of Somme Whyre spring to mind as examples. They may elicit chuckles (or groans) from the listener, but no more. Intrusively modern names grab the listener by the scruff of the neck and haul him, will he or nill he, back into the 20th Century. A name that, by its very presence, destroys any medieval ambience is not a name we should register. (Porsche Audi, Returned, LoAR 08/92, pg. 28)” Additionally, no evidence was presented nor could any be found that Belching is a reasonable byname, or that bynames like this could be prepended (placed before the given name). This is a complete redesign of the name.

Colm is an element of the client's registered primary persona name. Withycombe comments that it is the Irish (Gaelic) form of the name Columba, with St. Columba (b. 521) noted as the apostle of the Picts (3rd edition, p. 71 s.n. Colum, Colm). Beforethestorm is a coined byname based on similar period English epithets that incorporate prepositional phrases. Reaney and Wilson demonstrate several locatives as Underhill, Underwood, Underwater (3rd edition, pp. 461-462); “By” bynames, Byfield, Byatt (“dweller by the gate”), Byford (p. 77); “Over” bynames suggesting a resident living beyond a noted landmark, include Overend, Overwater, Overbeck (“beyond the stream”) (p. 333). Jonsjo's Studies on Middle English Nicknames I. Compounds, shows several names using With-, “with,” Withnose, With the Bouton, Withthewell, p. 192. Jonsjo also shows Gabyfore, from the OE “to go” = “before”, as one who walks before a procession (likely an official of some sort), p. 93 s.n. Gabyfore. Storm as a byname meaning “storm,” is seen in 1206 (Reaney and Wilson, p. 430 s.n. Storm).

The original badge submission, Per fess sable platy and argent, a three-fingered cubit arm aversant inverted issuant from chief argent and a three-footed covered kettle sable., was returned for the following reasons: “Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as a hand in benediction, such a hand is apaumy with the thumb and first two fingers raised, the others curled in to the palm. The charge in chief is a hand aversant with two fingers and a thumb. Such a hand was returned on the December 2007 LoAR: "This device is returned for lack of documentation of the use of a hand with three fingers as used in this submission." No such documentation was provided with this submission, and none could be found.” The badge is a complete redesign. The new submisison is very similar to (and would likely conflict with, if this weren't the same individual) with his registered badge, Per bend sinister sable and azure, two scarpes Or, overall a cloud argent.

Helena de Argentoune (Twin Moons): NEW ALTERNATE NAME, Helen Welez, and NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A wagon wheel per bend sable and gules enflamed Or.

The primary persona name was registered October 1985.

Helen is an feminine English given name dated to 1438 in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames: Helen,” Talan Gwynek ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/reaney/reaney.cgi?Helen ). Welez is an English byname from “Names from 15th Century York,” Karen Larsdatter ( http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/york15/ ).

The tinctures and line of division are found in her registered device, Per bend sable and gules, a simurgh volant bendwise Or., and her badge, Per bend sable and gules, a bordure Or.


Johann der Becker von Aschersleben (Windale): NEW NAME

The name is German. Johann is a masculine given name, “John.” Becker is an occupational byname meaning “baker”; both are found in “German Names from 1495,” Araynhwy merch Catmael ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/german1495.html ). Aschersleben is a German town in Saxony-Anhalt ( http://www.aschersleben.de/cms/englisch/history/ ); it is the oldest town in Saxony-Anhalt, conquered in the 11th C by the Ascaniers and Albert the Bear (Albrecht der Bär). In the 12th C, it became the county center, serving as a place of administration and trials. In 1266 Aschersleben received its town charter from Heinrich II. The town wall was built in the 14th C, and large parts of the wall are still well-preserved and can be seen along a green promenade walk. The client desires a male name and is most interested in the meaning of the name, “John the Baker from Aschersleben.”


John Ailewrde (Twin Moons): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, September 2009

Per pale vert and gules, in pale three wolves dormant contourny argent

The name was registered September 2009.

The original device submission, Per pale vert and gules, in pale three wolves dormant argent., was returned for conflict with the device of Derrick of Kent, Per chevron enhanced gules and sable, in base in pale three wolves couchant argent. There is a CD for the field, but Derrick's line of division is nearly at the top of the field and the wolves in that design fill most of the field, as do the ones in John's submission. There is no difference granted for the change from couchant to dormant. There is now 1 CD for field difference and 1 CD for orientation of the primary charges.


Raffaelle de Mallorca (Twin Moons): RESUBMISSION from Laurel June 2009 (NEW ALTERNATE NAME, Robert Loud of Greater Snoring)

The primary persona name was registered June 1995.

The name is English. Robert is a masculine given name, found in the Domesday Book with this spelling, 1066 (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 380 s.n. Robert). Loud is a surname with this spelling dated to 1242, from the OE hlūd, “loud” (R&W, 3rd edition, p. 285 s.n. Loud). Great and Little Snoring are villages found in Norfolk; the locative surname Snoryng is dated to 1351 and 1379 (R&W, 3rd ed., p. 416 s.n. Snoring). The client desires a male name, is most interested in the meaning of the name, and will not accept Major changes to the name.

The client had two badge submissions returned for conflict by Laurel in June 2009. He is using one of those returned submissions' fees for this submission.



The following submissions appear in the March 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary is provided by Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Christmas Albanach, Helena de Argentoune [HdA], James of the Lake [JotL], Leticia Troischesnes, Maridonna Benvenuti [MB] and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].


Ælfred Lionstar of Ravenspur (BoAtenveldt): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) A sword inverted sable, winged at the quillions displayed inverted the blade entwined by two serpents respectant Or.

Wreath has provided some guidance on whether or not an entwined charge is a co-primary or a secondary on the Cover Letter to the May 2009:
"Entwined charges are currently defined as having one charge primary and one charge maintained, unless it is explicitly stated in the registration or a comment. There are an increasing number of these secondary entwined charges, leading to a large increase of time as the person checking must research each potential conflict to see if it is a maintained or secondary entwined charge. This must be simplified. Therefore, in the case of entwined charges, we will adopt the proposal in this fashion:

  • 'An X and a Y entwined' are co-primary charges.

  • 'An X entwined of a Y' is a primary X and a secondary Y.

  • 'An X maintaining an entwined Y' is a primary X and a maintained Y."

(http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05cl.html ) Using the above as reference, I believe the entwined serpents should be considered as secondary charges and blazoned as such. If Wreath agrees (and I believe he will given that the serpents are pretty large and entwine 2/3rds the length of the sword), this means that the potential conflicts I cited below are no longer potential conflicts as Sir Alfred's badge adds a secondary charge to the co-primaries that are in fess. [HdA] (Before finding this Precedent, Helena had found several potential conflicts. [MMM] )

I'm still not happy with the blazon, but I think it's going to be a clunky one by nature. [MMM]


Anastasia of Three Oaks (Granholme): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) An acorn inverted slipped and leaved proper.

Consider Caid, Kingdom of: (Fieldless) An acorn proper. (for the Order of the Acorn) Normally, slipping and leaving does not count for difference. If Wreath considers that that to be the case here, then this is a conflict -- there is only one CD granted for fieldless vs. fieldless and none for tincture. [HdA]

There is a second CD for the orientation of the acorn.[AmC]

Thank you! I had a feeling I was overlooking something. [HdA]


Ariel Longshanks (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a natural dolphin haurient embowed contourny and a sea-lion erect purpure.


Berkedei Kökösara (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE: Argent, a gurges sable and on a chief gules three bats argent.

Love, love, LOVE this device! Heraldic sticklers may want these called "reremice" instead of "bats." Noting that the spiral form of the gurges is registerable, but no pre-1600 examples have been found. (See Master Bruce's survey in LOAR Cover Letter.) I don't believe that this form has been declared an SFPP, however. (The pre-1600 form is a series of concentric circles. Both forms are currently considered to be "correct" and are artistic variants of a "gurges.") Noting also that even though technically different by CDs, "argent, a gurges sable" has no difference from "sable, a gurges aregent." Conflict-checked as both/either forms. [HdA]


Bran FitzRobert (BoAtenveldt): NEW DEVICE: Per bend sinister vert and argent, a harp Or and a stag's head erased gules.

Consider Grania Moore: Per bend vert and argent, an Irish harp Or and a tulip blossom gules.; 1 CD for changes to the field + 1 CD for changing type of co-primary = 2 CDs. [HdA]

Cassandra Attewoode (Tir Ysgithr): NEW HOUSEHOLD, Summers Keep, AND BADGE; Azure a sunburst Or and a wall argent.

New household name: checked sommer, somer, summer, summer. Suspect that "Keep" will be considered "Transparent," but maybe not.

No obvious conflicts found. A name of concern: Canton of Summergate. The "Canton of" designator likely acts as an analog to "a laurel wreath for names." That is, the branch specifier is required so it provides no difference when considering territory name vs. territory name, but it provides a CD vs. other types of names. So, one CD for removing the "Canton of" and one for changing "Gate" to "Keep." Sound and spelling both sufficiently distinct so as not to be confused, I think it's fine. [HdA]

New badge: I have some concern that the sunburst looks rather like a crown and, since it is entirely golden, might be mistaken for such. It is possible that some members of the CoA might see a general potential for presumption based on the implication of a crown, but perhaps not. I don't know of any ruling prohibiting the use of a gold and/or silver sunburst by those who do not wear a coronet of some type. Artist's note: The embattlements on the wall need to be deeper and preferably as deep as they are wide. The field is neutral and the sunburst does not share a tincture with any portion of the field so the position of the sunburst as "in chief" must be blazoned.

This could be equally validly blazoned as "per fess embattled azure and argent masoned sable, in chief a sunburst Or."

Conflict-checking: Danamas of Starlinghurst: Azure, atop a demi-wall issuant from dexter base, a starling contourny argent perched in a nest Or.

Wall vs. demi-wall is really per fess vs. a field + a base. However, they may be considered visually similar. So:
Case 1: both have "wall" as primary. Then we have a CD present for change of type of secondary and a change of tincture for changing 1/2 of the tincture of the secondary. (considering a sunburst as a demi-sun "nested" in a cloud.)
Case 2: Ditto, considering both sunburst and bird in nest as primary. 1 CD for changing 1/2 of primary from bird to demi-sun. 1 CD for changing tincture of 1/2 of primaries.
Case 3: Azure/wall as field division w/ primary sunburst vs. azure w/ co-primary bird-in-nest and secondary base embattled masoned. Suspect we cannot apply X.2 because there are too many types of charges on the field. Nonetheless, 1 CD for sunburst vs. bird-in-nest (1/2 change of primary) + 1 CD for adding the secondary base. I think it's technically clear. But , considering that difference rests on a gold demi-sun vs. a white bird, this may come down to a visual check.
Consider: Edward III of England: (Fieldless) A sunburst Or issuant from clouds proper. Important non-SCA badge. There is 1 CD for adding the field + 1 CD for changing tincture of 1/2 of the charges (cloud) from argent to Or. Clear.
I think it's clear, but be aware of the first device listed here. [HdA]

A number of sunbursts have been registered, and I believe they are considered charges unto themselves, a correctly -drawn one in no danger of being mistaken for a crown/coronet. I wouldn't consider the field neutral, the wall being a charge (field-like though it is), but I see no problem enhancing the blazon to include “in chief.”

I'm also tending to think that a “demi-wall issuant from dexter base” looks more like the dexter base-most quarter of a quartered field, stopping at the per pale line of the field. Ragged Staff pulled Danamas' file, and indeed, the wall “stops” a little past the per pale line. Very landscapy. :) [MMM]


Cecily de la Warde (Sundragon): NEW BADGE: Azure, a vegetable lamb argent, flowered Or.

I simply love this device. Simple, elegant, uncommon. SO easy to conflict-check! I only find three in the Online O&A. To my knowledge, vegetable lambs (being classed as "MONSTER - OTHER" and not as "PLANT") only conflict with other vegetable lambs. If this is incorrect, please let me know. No conflicts found.

NOTE the following return: "Anthony Coton. Device. Argent, a vegetable lamb eradicated vert fructed and a chief embattled azure.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Lysander Keisalovitch, Argent, a vegetable lamb vert . There is a CD for adding the chief but nothing for changing the tincture of the fruit (the blossoms and lambs). On resubmission, there should be fewer and larger blossoms and lambs: the lambs should be clearly identifiable from a distance. We note that the use of two different shades of blue is an artistic detail that is allowable.

There was some discussion about whether a vegetable lamb was an acceptable heraldic charge. The vegetable lamb first appears in The Travels of Sir John Mandeville (c. 1371). These fictional travels - whether or not they were believed to be fictional in period - were popular in their time and numerous medieval manuscript copies of the book still exist. The Rules for Submission, section VII.5, notes "Monsters described in period sources or created in a manner that follow period practice will not be considered a step from period practice." Thus, while we have not yet found an example of a vegetable lamb in period armory, it is registerable and its use is not considered a step from period practice." [ Feb 2008 LOAR ]

The above implies that changing the tincture of the blossoms alone does not constitute enough of a tincture change to count for difference. Nonetheless, I still find no conflicts. :) NOTING that the blazon may need to read "Azure, a vegetable lamb argent, flowered Or fructed of sheep argent" in order to ensure correct reproduction, but that is likely a call for Wreath. [HdA]

Vegetable lambs are found under “Monster – Other” in the Ordinary, and the most recent were registered in February 2009 September 2010, so it's apparently a fine charge. The armory for the latter was blazoned as Or, a vegetable lamb vert fructed argent and flowered gules, a chief indented azure., so I think the best thing is to blazon Cecily's as Azure, a vegetable lamb argent flowered Or and fructed argent., so it's apparently that the blossoms and the lambs are two different tinctures. [MMM]


Ciaran Gallowglas (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, on a pale sable between two wolves combatant gules a death's head argent.

Closest is: Richard Kelly: Argent, on a pale sable between two spears gules a spear argent. There's one CD for changing the type of secondaries from spears to wolves an, since this is "simple" armory, another (by virtue of X.4.j.ii) for changing the type only of the tertiary from spear to death's head = 2 CDs. CLEAR. [HdA]

Is this your blazon fu [Sable, on a pale sable...]? Or is the entry this way in the letter? [Ines] Good catch! That's the way it is blazoned on the letter. I just copied and pasted it.[HdA] D'oh! [MMM]


Deletha of Anandyrdale (Twin Moons): NEW BADGES

(Fieldless) A domestic cat couchant gardant argent upon a double-horned anvil sable.

(Fieldless) A domestic cat sejant gardant argent upont a bellows fesswise sable.

In both cases the cats are co-primaries. In both cases, I strongly suspect that we will need to specify that the charges are "in pale." Both badges appear clear. Closest I found to (1) was: Leonardo Giovanni: Per bend argent and vert, a single-horned anvil sable. There's one CD for removing the field + another for changing the number of co-primaries from one to two = 2 CDs. (There might be another CD for changing the type of anvil.) Closest I found to (2) was: Bern Bellower: Argent, a bellows fesswise sable. There's one CD for removing the field + another for changing the number of co-primaries from one to two = 2 CDs. [HdA]


Derder ffrayser (Ered Sul): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2007: Vert, a unicorn statant and on a chief argent three fraises argent.

It appears as though the same computer-colored emblazon that was part of the cause for return is being used on this LOP instead of a scan of a hand-colored image. At Estrella, I knew the image was on file so I knew it could be printed out and colored and so suggested that could be done at a later date. I would be happy to help color the sheets before this is sent on. [HdA] Yeah, I didn't want to go through making up all new forms before I was sure there wouldn't be a conflict (tincture me lazy!). When this is ready to go on a LoI, it will indeed get the hand-colored treatment. [MMM]
Closest I found was this: Selena of Dragon's Bay: Vert, a dapple gray unicorn statant. No difference granted between gray, even gray spotted argent, and argent. This leaves one CD for adding the chief and another CD for adding the tertiaries to the chief = 2 CDs. [HdA]


Eadric of Knight's Crossing (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Gyronny Or and azure, a lion rampant within an orle sable.

Eadric is a masculine Old English name, dated 685 through 1040 in the Prosopography of Anglo-Saxon England

( http://eagle.cch.kcl.ac.uk:8080/pase/persons/index.html ). Knight's Crossing is the name of an SCA Barony, registered in January 1982. The client desires a male name and will not accept Major or Minor changes to the name.

Consider Scoithin mac Mhuireadhaigh: Or, in saltire five lions rampant, an orle sable. There is one CD for the differences of the field and one CD for the number of primary charges.


Elinor L'Adorable (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, two serpents erect respectant between three mullets of four points and on a chief Or, a sword sable.

Use of mullets of four points is a step from period practice. [HdA]


Ellis of Axminster (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME


Elsa Olavintytär (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) A bee bendwise sinister Or winged argent.


Énán Mac Cormaic (Windale): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale argent and vert, the Greek letter phi between in chief a triskclion arrondi and a tankard counterchanged.

Blazon fu: Per pale argent and vert, the Greek letter phi sable between in chief a triskelion arrondi and a tankard counterchanged.

Since the letter is not the only charge on the field, this does not fall afoul of our general ban on "monograms." Note 1: that this rendition of "phi" could be blazoned as "an annulet surmounted by a pale couped" and vice versa and that they are co-primary. So, since the two charges are the same tincture, one cannot tell if the annulet is enfiled or not. (“Enfiling" does not count for difference anyway.) Note 2: "phi" comes in both uppercase and lowercase versions. Since the lowercase version has an alternate form (see here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phi ), this may need to be blazoned as an "uppercase Greek letter phi" in order to ensure correct reproduction from the blazon. Conflict-checked for "phi" (but not for "pho" and "fum") and for the alternate blazons listed above.

Closest appears to be this: Anne de Junius: Or, a pallet sable enfiled with an annulet enhanced vert. But it is quite clear with CDs present for changing the tincture of the field, changing the tincture of 1/2 the co-primary charges, and for adding the secondaries = 3 CDs. [HdA]


Etgar Wit Acra (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Sable, a dragon passant between three mascles argent.

Consider Nicholas of Thistletorr: Sable, a dragon displayed, head facing sinister, between three roses argent., with 1 CD for changing posture of the dragon and 1 CD for changing type of secondaries; Var of the Ivory Dungeon: Sable, a dragon dormant to sinister reguardant, the tail curled to sinister around the body, the dexter wing lowered to cover the body, the head peeking out to dexter base from beneath the dexter wing, argent spined gules., with 1 CD for changing the posture of the dragon and 1 CD for addition of secondaries; Tera Dragonstaff: Sable, a dragon passant between three compass stars one and two argent., with 1 CD for changing type of secondaries amd 1 CD for changing arrangement of secondaries (two-and-one to one-and-two). [HdA]


Finnr Eiríksson (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME


Giovanni D'Angelo (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME

Given his authenticity request, this should be corrected to <Giovanni d'Angelo>.[AmC]


Gwenllian Dragon of Gunthorpe (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend sinister gules and Or, two roses counterchanged barbed and seeded vert, on a chief Or an ivy vine vert.

These look rather more like generic cinquefoils to me. I'm having trouble seeing them as "roses." To my eyes, they are rather pansy-ish. <shrug> [HdA]


Hannah Elizabeth of York (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME

According to the submitted documentation, "Hannah" is popular during the "Reformation." This makes it a 16th C. name as many sources date the start of the Reformation period in England to when Martin Luther posted his postulates on the Wittenburg door -- October 31, 1517. No documentation seems to have been provided for the use of "Elizabeth" as a surname. [HdA]

Found this registration from 2008: Genevieve Elizabeth of Roseberry Topping: This name was registered in May of 2008 (via the West).

Name formation follows the same as that of Hannah Elizabeth of York, so perhaps we do not need to go down the path theat I thought we might need to go down. Documentation submitteed with the above registration simply stated that "Elizabeth" is a female name dating in that spelling from 1205 and cited Withycomb as source. [HdA]

From November 2002: “The submitter requested authenticity for English and allowed minor changes. All of the submitted elements of this name were documented to 13th C England. However, double given names were a late-period development in English and so are not authentic for 13th C English. Since unmarked matronymics were used in England, the submitted name may be considered as a given name + unmarked matronymic byname + occupational byname, which is authentic for the 13th C. [Maudeleyn Godeliva Taillour, 11/2002, A-Meridies]” [MMM]

Hannah has been registered multiple times with the College of Arms, most recently in an English name context in 2005, to Hannah Marie Lamb. [MMM]


Heiritha Cobbley of Stanford (Ered Sul): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend sinister azure and sable, a filled drop spindle bendwise argent.

It seems that a filled drop spindle tends to be blazoned as a “threaded” drop spindle. [MMM]


Helena de Argentoune (Twin Moons): TRANSFER OF ALTERNATE NAME Helena Handbasket to Helena Greenwood.


Hugo Harp (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE: Or, a falcon displayed and a bordure dovetailed sable charged with an orle Or.


Iosif Volkov (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per chevron argent and azure, two wolves combatant each maintaining an axe azure and a double-headed axe argent.


Isabelle le Charpentier de Normandie (Sundragon): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) A church bell azure charged with a fleur-de-lys argent.

Consider Gwenllian ferch Maredudd: (Fieldless) A handbell azure. There is 1 CD for fieldlessness and 1 CD for addition of the tertiary charge. There might be an additional one for the difference between a church bell and a handbell (the bells have the same shape, while the handbell has a long handle). [MMM]

Conflict-checking: Isabella Flora Turpin: (Tinctureless) Upon a bell, a terrapin statant to sinister.

Nothing for tincture of primary charge.
Nothing for tincture of tertiary charge.
Nothing for posture of tertiary charge because fleurs de lys don't have a posture.
Nothing for orientation of tertiary charge because both are the same.
Nothing for type of bell, I don't believe.
There is 1 CD for fieldlessness. MAYBE there's another CD for change of "type only" of tertiary charge due to X.4.j.ii _if_ a bell is considered to be simple enough to void. However, while a vair be might be considered simple enough to void, a church bell certainly is not. I suspect there is no credit to be found here. Therefore, there is only one CD present and the above is a conflict. [HdA]

Ragged Staff provided an emblazon for the badge, and the terrapin is in the same location as the fleur, so this is indeed a conflict. Several heralds I asked were of the opinion that a a bell is too complex in outline to void. It was suggested that the client might place the bell within and conjoined to an annulet azure, and this is agreeable to her. The addition of the annulet provides the second CD needed to avoid conflict with Isabella Flora's badge. [MMM]

Jurik Dimkovich (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, two brown bears statant erect addorsed proper and a chief indented sable.


Kirsten Maria Matz (Brymstone): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 2010

Purpure, a great sword bendwise sinister inverted between two roundels Or, each charged with a penguin statant proper.

The name was registered December 2010.

The original device, Purpure, a great sword bendwise sinister inverted between two roundels Or, each charged with a penguin statant proper., was returned because the posture of the penguins was not blazonable. The wings were also spread in a fashion which caused the birds to appear to be facing away from the viewer in trian (three-dimensional) aspect. Creatures in SCA heraldry, like medieval heraldry, should be flat, stylized animals, not using modern three-dimensional perspective techniques. Also, the SCA definition of penguins proper is sable and argent with no other colors. There were yellow markings on the back of the neck, which suggested that these were Emperor penguins proper, a species not known to period Europeans and therefore not registerable. The client has made the penguins of the proper coloration and has them simply statant.


Loralei Fulderer (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a cock rising contourny gules.

Consider Alianor atte Red Swanne: (Fieldless) A swan rousant contourny gules maintaining in its beak a grozing iron Or. I believe the submission is clear of the above with one CD for fieldlessness and one CD for type of bird (swan to poultry) and nothing for the maintained grozing iron in the swan's beak = two squeaky CDs.

Malcolm MacRuairidh of Blackoak: Argent, a raven striking to sinister gules. However, this may be a different story. Nothing for the field. Posture is the same. We have a change in bird type from "poultry-shaped" to "regular-shaped." If both birds are correctly drawn, then we get credit for a complete change of type. [ http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2003/11/03-11cl.html ] POSSIBLE CONFLICT? Most likely this is a call for Wreath. [HdA]

Consider Frederick Sebastian Valentine, Quarterly lozengy purpure and argent, and argent, a cock close contourny, sinister claw raised, gules. There is 1 CD for the field and 1 CD for posture (close vs. wings outstretched). [MMM] Yes. Close vs. rising is a CD.  The extended wings change the outline. [HdA]
...from the Precedents of Francois I: [(Fieldless) A rooster vert] This badge is clear of ... (Fieldless) A raven vert. Per the Cover Letter to the November 2003 LoAR, there is substantial difference between a rooster (a "poultry-shaped" bird) and a raven (a "regular-shaped" bird) **when both birds are in period postures and drawn correctly**. The two badges are clear of conflict by RfS X.2. [JotL]


Mathghamhain MacCionaoith (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE: Per chevron sable and argent, a chevron embattled counterchanged between two harps respectant Or and a raven volant bendwise sable.


Meadhbh MacNeill (BoAtenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 2002: Gules, a dragonfly and on a chief Or three maple leaves gules.


Milana Lancia (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME

The De Felice documentation, s..n. Lancia, is fine. My translation, not word-for-word: the basis of the medieval name Lancia is the nickname 'lance, spear' in relation to an occupation like a soldier who carries a spear or has a particular characteristic. In other cases it also represents the hypocoristic abbreviation of Lanciliatto. [MB]


Mineko of Twin Moons (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale argent and sable, mullety of four points throughout, two serpents erect respectant tails nowed, all counterchanged.

Yes, this could be reblazoned as a "semy" of mullets, but I have my doubts that doing so would enable the College of Arms to register it. The reason being is that the mullets are very nicely and prettily arranged in a precise way along the line of division and around the serpents. I suspect that the College would want to see two more mullets added into the empty corners before they would comfortably call it a semy and consider registering it. As drawn, the arrangement isn't really reproducible and calling it a semy won't change that. That said, this isn't the default "mullety" as the mullets have four points. This is "semy of mullets of fours points" or "mullety of four points." The tails of the serpents aren't nowed because they are not knotted. They are "entwined," however, seeing as they are wrapped around each other. Suggested reblazon: "Per pale argent and sable all mullety of four points, two serpents erect respectant tails entwined counterchanged." [HdA] I'm fine with sending it up and hoping this is acceptable as a semy; you're right on the corrections to the blazon. [MMM]


Mononobe Tatsuni (S. Vladimir): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess purpure and sable, a jester's cap of three points and a dragon's head couped argent.


Moricius Rosamon (Wealhhnutu): NEW DEVICE: Argent, a hourglass azure within an orle of oak leaves vert.


Nikōlas Ekholm (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, an oak tree argent and a ford.

The diacritical mark on the given name is actually Nikolás. [MMM]


Ogedai Qara (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE: Gules, a schnecke issuant from base and in chief three increscents Or.

No conflicts found using scheneke as the primary. Nothing even close. Being contrary and assuming that the schneke might not be considered the primary even though it goes through the middle ('cause it's attached to the edge of the shield), I also checked increscents using this blazon: Gules, in chief in fess three increscents and issuant from base a schneke Or.:

Jane of Stokton: Gules, three crescents Or., with 1 CD for orientation of crescents (crescent to increscent) and 1 CD for crescent arrangement and 1 CD for adding the schneke; Marie de Lancey: Per fess azure and gules, three increscents and a martlet Or., with 1 CD for the field and 1 CD for changing martlet to schneke; Ruth Baraskaya: Per fess sable and azure, a swan naiant argent, beaked, in chief an increscent, decrescent, and increscent, one and two, Or., with 1 CD for the field and 1 CD for changing swan to schneke (nothing granted for changing the orientation of 1/3 crescents) -- this is really primary swan vs. 3 primary crescents in this case. So it's clear by X.2 [HdA] .


Ragnarr skrifari (BoAtenveldt): NAME CHANGE from Holding Name Ragnarr of Atenveldt, June 2008

Oops, the docs for the given name are missing. According to Geirr Bassi, <Ragnarr> is found once in Landnamabok. I found no conflicts; closest is <Ragnarr Skraveifa> (reg. 05/1989 via Atlantia), and the bynames are significantly different in sound and appearance. [AmC]


Randolph Caparulo (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME


Robert Wallace of Craigie (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Vert in pale three fish naiant argent.

Consider Cathal Sean O'Connlauin: Vert, a sailfin sculpin naiant proper. [Nautichthys oculofasiatus]. This one may be an issue. A "sailfin sculpin" seems to be a type of rockfish. "Proper" coloration is argent-sorta-marked-sable-kinda. Here's one picture: http://hmsc.oregonstate.edu/projects/msap/PS/masterlist/fish/sailfinsculpin.html .Here's another: http://www.boydski.com/diving/photos/Fish/sculpin/Sailfin_Sculpin.htm . If we don't get a CD for charge tincture, then there's only 1 CD present for number of fish. [HdA]

I contacted the client; he is quite happy to turn the fish to sinister, which provides another CD for the orientation of the charges. [MMM]


Rüdiger Seraphin (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2009: Per bend sinister vert and sable semy of hearts, in dexter chief a boar's head erased argent.


Séamus mac Ríáin (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) A winged cat sejant sustaining a shepherd's crook, pendant therefrom a lantern, all sable.

SO CUTE!!!!!! :D Suspect we need to specify the wing position as "elevated and addorsed." Do we need to specify which direction the hook of the crook is facing? We have to specify the direction of the wards of keys. Then again, maybe this is just a "crook" not a "crook reversed." (Which is entirely different than a "crook inverted" and has nothing in common with a "crook converted" or a "crook reverted." ;D ) Cat and crook appear to be co-primary. (Crook is as tall as the cat); the lantern is clearly maintained. Probably need to specify that the kitty is sustaining the shepherd's crook "in its forepaw." Artist's note: Color in the openings in the lantern! Lantern currently has "transparent glass." This has been a cause for return in the past. [HdA]

I tend to overblazon, but here, I'm opting to underblazon. Since a cat isn't naturally winged, I think this would be the default set of the wings, to show that this isn't a normal (snerk) cat. According to the Pictorial Dictionary, this is the default crook. But yes, I had thought there were issues with lanterns and things made of glass – thanks for the corroboration.[MMM]


Sergei Rostov (BoAtenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2010: Quarterly vert and Or, a cross bottony quarterly argent and vert.

Consider Maykin Crofte: Per bend sinister vert and argent, a cross crosslet counterchanged. No CD between cross bottony and cross moline (according to the Cross Conflict Table, http://heralds.artemisia.sca.org/crosstable.html ), 1 CD for the field + 1 CD for changing 1/2 of charge tincture (per bend sinister to quarterly) = 2 CDs. It might be on the block for a visual check though due to the similarity of charge tincture. (Perhaps Ragged Staff would be kind enough to provide the emblazon just in case?) Consider James Andrew MacAllister: (Fieldless) A cross crosslet fitchy quarterly vert and argent. No CD for charge type. (cross moline vs. cross crosslet gets no CD and I don't believe the fitching is worth anything.) 1 CD for adding the field + 1 CD for changing charge tincture (quarterly argent&vert to quarterly vert&argent) = 2 CDs. [HdA]

I think this is clear of both. James' fieldless badge was the reason for the original return. [MMM]


Sigrid the Generous (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, two flamingos statant respectant proper and a bordure vert.

The Academy of Saint Gabriel Report 2296 ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/2296 ) demonstrates a Swedish female given name Sigrid from 1583 from a document found in Svenskt Dopnamnsskick vid 1500-Talets Slut, Ingwar Fredriksson (Vanersborg: Vanersborgs Boktryckeri AB, 1974). This would permit both name elements being used together in a temporally-compatible fashion. The combination of Swedish and English name elements is one step from period practice. [MMM]

Consider Jeanette Seurat d'Avignon: Argent, two pink flamingoes statant respectant proper, on a chief azure a sun in splendour Or. There is one CD for difference in the seconary/peripheral charges (azure chief vs. vert bordure) and another CD for the addition the tertiary charge (sun). [MMM]


Sturm van der Meer (Ered Sul): NEW NAME

I got the van der Schaar book from the library. It's basically a Dutch version of your typical baby name book; all the names in it are given names, and many of them are modern coinages. <Sturm>, or <Sturmi> or <Sturmius>, is noted as the name of an 8th C saint from a Bavarian family, who studied under St. Boniface and then under abbot Wigbert in 735, ordained around 740. It would be worth checking Bahlow. <Sturm> is definitely the German form of the name; the Dutch is <Storm>. And, hah! I found an example of it. <Storm> appears in my "Dutch Names 1358-1361" (http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/dutch/earlydutch14.html). [AmC]


Tetinka Ribbing (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

Ribbing is also an element of her husband's SCA name, Seved Ribbing, registered December 2008. [MMM]


Uliana Iosefova (Sundragon): NEW NAME


Ulliam of Iona (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale purpure and sable, a tankard argent between three pheons Or.

Iona was registered in this form as a locative in February 2004 to Diarmait Mainistrech of Iona.[MMM]


Viana Andreu de Segovia (Twin Moons): NEW NAME


Ytharus Brütschi (Twin Moons): NEW NAME


The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its January 2011 meetings:

Alexander Smyth. Name and device. Sable, a pall inverted and in base a gauntleted fist argent.

Nice late period English name! Please instruct the submitter that the pall should have the lines of each leg parallel to each other.

Cáelinn ingen Chatháin. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Cáelinn inghean Catháin, the byname mixes the Early Modern Gaelic inghean with the Middle Gaelic Catháin; we have changed it to the wholly Middle Gaelic form. In addition, the byname must be lenited, making it ingen Chatháin. These changes were made in order to register it.

The submitter requested authenticity for Scots Gaelic; unfortunately the given name was only used by an early saint, and does not seem to have been used otherwise. It is registerable under the saint's name allowance, but without evidence it continued in use, the name cannot be made authentic.

Christmas Albanach. Badge. (Fieldless) An ermine spot per pale purpure and gules.

Isabel inghean Alasdair. Name and device. Argent, a caravel and on a base engrailed azure a fish argent.

This name mixes a Scots given name with a Gaelic byname; this is a step from period practice. A wholly Gaelic form would be Iosbail inghean Alasdair. There was a question raised in commentary as to whether this device is obtrusively modern, citing the logo of Blue Peter, a BBC children's show which has been on the air for over 50 years. The caravel in this submission is a period depiction of a ship, and the submission is clear of the logo for Blue Peter, which we would render as Argent, a ship azure, with a CD for adding the base and a CD for charging the base. While the submission is reminiscent of the logo for the children's show, it does not rise to the level required to be considered obtrusively modern.

Jakob inn rammi. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Kendrick MacBain. Name.

Submitted as Kendrake MacBain, no evidence was presented nor could any be found by commenters that the spelling Kendrake was in use before 1650. We have changed it to the attested Kendrick in order to register this name.

Ketiley dreki tunga. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Ketiley drekkistunga, no evidence was presented that the element dreki- 'dragon' (note that the documented form has a single k) was used to created compound Old Norse bynames. Instead, the word meaning 'dragon's tongue' is the documented ormstunga; orm means both 'serpent' and 'dragon.' However, both dreki and tunga can be constructed as independent bynames. The word dreki was used as the name of a type of ship (discussed for example in Judith Jesch, Ships and Men in the Late Viking Age). Other kinds of ships are used in bynames: koggi 'cog' is found as a byname, while knarrar 'merchant ship's' and skeiðar 'war ship's' are used in compound bynames (all from Geirr Bassi). Therefore dreki 'dragon ship' follows a pattern of the use of ship types in bynames and is a plausible constructed byname. While the byname tunga is not attested, the prepended form Tungu- is found in the Landnamabok. The post-pended form is therefore reasonable as well. Two descriptive bynames are registerable in Old Norse when they might both be used to describe the same person simultaneously. Therefore, this can be registered as Ketiley dreki tunga; we have done this in order to register the name.

Michiele MacBean. Name.

Submitted as Michièle MacBean, the accents in the cited article are editorial. All the period citations of the name that commenters could find appear without accents. We have therefore removed the accent in order to register the name. The submitter has permission to conflict with the registered name Mitchell MacBain. This name mixes a French given name and a Scots byname, which is a step from period practice.

Rosamund Sanburne. Name and device. Per bend sinister engrailed Or and azure semy of musical notes Or, a Russian firebird rising contourny azure.

Submitted as Rosamond Sanburne, the submitter indicated she preferred Rosamund. Rosamund is dated to 1563 in Bardsley (s.n. Roseaman), making the entire name sixteenth century.

Seonaid inghean Mhuireadhaigh. Name and device. Per pale purpure and argent, three towers counterchanged.

The submitter requested authenticity for Scots Gaelic. This name meets that request. This device is clear of a badge for the Barony of Red Spears, Per pale purpure and argent, a zule counterchanged. There is a CD for the change in number of primary charges. There is at least significant difference, if not substantial, between a zule and a tower, so there is another CD for the change of type of the primary charge group. Since substantial difference is not necessary to clear the conflict, we will not rule on whether there is substantial difference between a zule and a tower at this time.

The following submissions have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, January 2011:

Cáelinn ingen Chatháin. Device. Or, two axes crossed in saltire and on a point pointed vert a rapier inverted Or.

This device is returned because the emblazon blurs the distinction between a per chevron field and a point pointed. Blazoned as a point pointed, it is emblazoned as the lower quarter of a per saltire field, not truly per chevron but too close to per chevron to be considered a point pointed.

Jakob inn rammi. Device. Gules, a sword argent, winged Or.

This device is returned for conflict with the device of Brand Armand of Lancaster, Gules, a winged sword Or. There is a CD for the change of tincture of the sword, but no other CD.

It is also a conflict with the device of Michael MacPherson, Gules, a sword argent between in fess two wings displayed and in chief two escallops inverted Or between two more argent. There is a single CD for removing the escallops, but nothing for the lack of conjoining of the primary charges.

Ketiley dreki tunga. Device. Gules, two five-toed Imperial dragons combatant and an increscent bendwise sinister argent.

Blazoned on the Letter of Intent as wingless dragons, commenters were unable to recognize the type of the charges solely from their appearance. Therefore, this device is returned for violating section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions, which say that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance".

On resubmission, the submitter should take care to avoid using the five-toed Imperial dragon, which cannot be used in SCA



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