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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 8 April 2008, A.S. XLII (no foolin'!)
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Edward and Asa; Duchess Elzbieta Rurikovskaia, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is an Addendum to the April 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. The last day for commentary on the submissions considered for the April 2008 Letter of Intent is 15 April 2008.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.

Please consider the following submissions for the April 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Albin Gallowglass (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, in pale a mullet of four point elongated to base and a lion rampant, all within a bordure sable.

The name is English. Albin is a 13th C. masculine given name, from the Old French Albin, Aubin ("Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England," Talan Gwynek, http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng13/eng13m.html ). Gallowglass is the Anglicized form of an Irish Gaelic term Gallóglaigh, meaning a foreign or mercenary soldier. The term appears c. 1515 and after, and seems more commonly spelled in period as galloglass or galloglas, according to the Compact Oxford English Dictionary. The client desires a male name and is most interested in the sound of the name.

The device form has been reduced in size so that it is only 5-3/4" wide. It was also sloppily photocopied so that the name of the Kingdom does not appear on the top of the form and part of the submissions instructions have been lopped off. Please be careful! These are permanent copies that are archived by the Kingdom and Laurel offices (and should also be archived by the local office as well.). It will have to be redone even in the event there are no other problems with the submission.


Kassah bint Badr (Twin Moons): NAME RESUBMISSION Laurel, February 2002

The original name, Keshvar bint Asfar al-Mah, was returned for a number of problems. "Keshvar was documented from a Web site titled "Zoroastrian names" (http://www.avesta.org/znames.htm). The names on this site need to be used with care. On his "Medieval Names Archives" website, Arval Benicoeur includes an explanation of the sources for the "Zoroastrian names" site provided by its author: The Avestan names all occur in the Avesta itself, and thus can be dated to around 1000 BCE or earlier. The Old Persian inscriptions are from around 500-600 BCE. The Parsi names are from Dosabhai Framji Karaka, History of the Parsis I, London 1884. pp. 162-3, and are names in use at that time. The Zoroastrian Irani names are from Farhang-e Behdinan, by Jamshid Sorush Sorushian, Tehran, 1956, and are names used in Kerman and Yazd at that time. You will find many of the names in current usage in the Pahlavi texts as well (ca. 9th ce CE), and in fact date to ancient times, e.g. Av. manush-chithra -> Pahl. Minochehr -> modern menucher. If you consider 9th ce[ntury] CE as medieval, I would suggest looking through the Pahlavi texts for more names. Keshvar is included under the "Parsi names" and "Irani Zoroastrian names" lists on this site. Therefore, Keshvar is only documented to c. 1884 and c. 1956. Lacking documentation that it was used in period, it is not registerable.

"al-Jamal summarizes the issues with the rest of the name: 'Afsar is found, undated, in Ahmed (cited in the LoI). Even the example of Afsar-ud-Din is not dated, and since I do not find the name anywhere else, I can only at this time take it as a hypothetical usage. (When Ahmed has dates, he seems to be pretty reliable. When he doesn't, it's generally indicative of modern usage.) He also gives its origin as Persian, and combines it with the Arabic al-Din. Mah (not al-Mah) is found in Schimmel, also undated, also Persian. Not even Ahmed has it as a name element. It is certainly out of place with the Arabic article al- (the), and even if it were not, Afsar is claiming to be the Moon, not from there. So neither Keshvar nor Afsar are dated to period as given names. The element Mah is not dated to period, and it is documented as Persian. When combined with the Arabic al-, the combination violates RfS III.1.a, which requires linguistic consistency within an element. If documentation were found for Mah as an Arabic element in period, it is not appropriate for use in the laqab al-Mah, since such a byname is in violation of RfS I.3, "No name or armory will be registered which claims for the submitter powers, status, or relationships that do not exist", since a human is not the Moon. All of these issues are reason for return and all would need to be addressed in order to register this name."'" The associated armory was registered under the holding name Leslie of Twin Moons.

Kassah is a feminine given name found in "Jewish Women's Names in an Arab Context: Names from the Geniza of Cairo," Juliana de Luna ( http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/geniza.html ). Although it is a feminine Jewish name, the article states that a number of these name are derived from Arabic (some being plain Arabic words), suggesting they it might've also served as an Arabic woman's name (which at times uses plain "words"). Badr al-Din Lu'lu was the atabeg (governor) of Mosul, 1211-1259 (bibliography, "Period Arabic Names and Naming Practices," Da'ud ibn Auda, http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/arabic-naming2.htm ). It is found as a masculine 'ism in "Personal Names in Monumental Inscriptions From Persia and Transoxiana," Ursula Georges ( http://www.doomchicken.net/~ursula/sca/onomastics/monument/isms.html ).

The client wants a female name and is most interested in the sound and meaning of the name: she'd like the given name as close to the sound of "Kessa" as possible and wants the byname to mean "daughter/granddaughter of a man named Moon."


Maredudd Browderer (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) In saltire a holly leaf bendwise vert and a sewing needle bendwise sinister argent.

The name was registered December 2003.

The badge uses elements of her registered device, Argent, a holly leave bendwise sinister vert between two needles bendwise sinister sable.


Varsonofii syn Zakhar'iashev Olyechnov (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A mullet voided surmounted by a spider inverted argent.

The name was registered July 2005.

The badge uses elements of his registered device, Sable, three spiders inverted and a bordure engrailed argent.

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

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