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Unto Their Royal Majesties Aaron and Alessandra; the Honourable Lord Seamus McDaid, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings of the New Year from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is the April 2006 internal Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation for names and armory: Please have comments or questions to me concerning this Letter by 15 May 2006.

Kingdom Collegium Consultation Table: A small Table was run on 1 April of the Collegium. Thanks to Lady Tegan, who wrangled space and power for it, and to Lady Katherine Throckmorton who helped man it most of the afternoon with me. A few submissions were accepted (yay!), but the populace also used it to consult and think about future submissions and to check on the status of current submissions.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be Friday, 19 May, beginning at 7:30 PM.

Letter of Acceptance and Returns: The Atenveldt submissions found in the January 2006 LoAR (those in the September 2005 Atenveldt Letter of Intent) and the February 2006 LoAR (the October 2006 Atenveldt Letter of Intent) are included at the end of this report.

Please consider the following submissions for the May 2006 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Beatrix Losier (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2005

Per chevron argent and argent, in base a willow tree eradicated proper, a bordure vert.

The name was registered July 2005.

The original submission, Per chevron gules and argent, in base a willow tree eradicated proper., was returned for multiple conflicts. The addition of a bordure hopefully resolves these.

Elaria filia Robert (Brymstone): NEW BADGE

(fieldless) A leaf Or.

The name appears in the 6 January 2006 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

Marquise Sabran (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

The name is French. Marquise is a feminine given name dated to 1511 and found in “Given Names from Brittany, 1384-1600,” Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( ); in the context of the source, it appears to be used as a given name rather than a title. Sabran is found in Dauzat as a primary French surname, p. 533. The client is most interested in the language/culture of the name and wishes it authentic for French. She will not accept major changes to the name.

Sythe Blackwolfe (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, on a roundel between three equal-armed Celtic crosses argent a wolf sejant ululant sable.

The name is English. Sythe is found as a variant of Seth in “An Index to the 1523 Subsidy Roll for York and Ainsty, England,” Karen Larsdatte

( ). Blackwolfe is a locative byname based on an inn sign. “English Sign Names,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( ) demonstrates an undated inn by the name of Wolfe, but there are a number of dated signs that are created in the <Color + Animal> fashion, such as Whytehorse 1312. Colm Dubh’s article in KWHS AS XXXIII Proceedings demonstrates inn interested in the language/sound of the name and wishes it authentic for 15th C. England; he will not accept major or minor changes to the name.

Ursula Woodsholme (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, on a fess embattled vert between two mullets sable a greyhound courant argent.

The name is English. St. Ursula and the 11,000 virgins who were martyred with her was a popular legend in the Middle Ages; this spelling isn’t dated in Withycombe, 3rd edition, p.286. Wood- is a popular protheme in English surnames, suggesting a residence in or near a wood (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 499 s.n. Wood). Holm is also found in R&W and can indicate either residence near a fen or a reference to holly or holm-oak (p. 236 s.n. Holm). The byname has been previously registered to Louise of Woodsholme and Suzanne of Woodsholme in 1973 (eep!) and 1983 (eep!) respectively (Ursula is part of this group).

William Sinclair (Florence AZ): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, a sword inverted argent entwined by a rose gules slipped and leaved vert.

The name is English; both elements are found in “Faire Names for English Folk: Late Sixteenth Century English Names,” Chris Laning

( ). The client will not accept major or minor changes to his name, nor will he accept a holding name.

Ysabel de Rouen (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

The name is French. Ysabel is a feminine given name found in “French Names from Paris, 1421, 1423, & 1438,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael

( ). The surname is found in “French Surnames from Paris, 1421, 1423 & 1438,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( ) ... amazing how that works! The client is most interested in the language/culture of the name and wishes it to be authentic for 15th-16th C. French. She will not accept major changes.

The following appear in the April 2006 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

This month’s commentary is provided by Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Knute Hvitabjörn [KH], Maridonna Benevenuti [MB], Helena de Agentoune, Raffaelle de Mallorca and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].

Annalena Gianetta da Vicinza de’ Medici (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME

The name is Italian. The given name is found in The history of Florence and the affairs of Italy from early times to the death of Lorenzo the Magnificent, by Niccolo Machiavelli ( ). Annalena was the name of a woman married to Baldaccio d’Anghiari, a leader of the Florentine army; when her husband was assassinated, she converted her house into a monastery and lived there with a number of other noblewomen who desired a cloistered life. The convent was named for her, and the Annalena Altarpiece by Fra Angelico (1400-1455) is found there. Gianetta is a feminine given name found in “Italian Renaissance Women's Names,” Rhian Lyth of Blackmoor Vale ( ). Vicenza is a city south of Venice, found before the birth of Christ; in 1404, it put itself under the protection of the Republic of Venice. It was noted for a long textile history ( ). The Medici family were merchants, bankers, rulers and patrons of the arts and influential in the history of Florence from the 13th through the 17th C.

( ); it has been registered several times as an SCA name element. The client is most interested in the sound of the name and wishes it to be authentic for time and language/culture, that of a late 15th C. Northern Italian woman.

I'm concerned about the name formation. I've never seen a name formed like this, not to say they don't exist. The family name and the locative should be switched. Trying to find spellings for Northern Italy is going to be tricky. Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names has <Zaneta> - A pet form of Giovanna via Gianeta. ( ) [MB]

“...articles from Wikipedia are not sufficient as sole documentation for any name element" according to the Dec 2005 LoAR cover letter. So I will add: Vicenza -Encyclopædia Britannica Article: Latin Vicetia, city, episcopal see, and capital of Vicenza province, Veneto region, northern Italy, traversed by the Bacchiglione and Retrone rivers, at the eastern end of the valley between the Monti Lessini and the Monti Berici (which connects Lombardy with Veneto), northwest of Padua. Originally a settlement of the Ligurians or Veneti, it became the Roman Vicetia and, after the barbarian invasions, the seat of a Lombard duchy. In 1164 it formed part of the Veronese League against Frederick I Barbarossa and continued through the 13th century to struggle against the imperial power and local tyrant lords. It was ruled by the Scaligers from 1311 until it passed to the Visconti (1387) and in 1404 to Venice, whose fortunes it afterward shared. It suffered widespread destruction in World War II but has been largely restored..." ("Vicenza." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 29 Mar. 2006 ). [MB]

Medici Family - Encyclopædia Britannica Article: French Médicis, Italian bourgeois family that ruled Florence and, later, Tuscany, during most of the period from 1434 to 1737, except for two brief intervals (from 1494 to 1512 and from 1527 to 1530). It provided the church with four popes (Leo X, Clement VII, Pius IV, and Leon XI) and married into the royal families of Europe (most notably in France, in the persons of queens Catherine de Médicis and Marie de Médicis). Three lines of Medici successively approached or acquired positions of power (see the Table). The line of Chiarissimo II failed to gain power in Florence in the 14th century. In the 15th century the line of Cosimo the Elder set up a hereditary principate in Florence but without legal right or title, hence subject to sudden overthrow; crowns burgeoned, however, on the last branches of their genealogical tree, for two of them were dukes outside Florence, their last heir in a direct line became queen of France (Catherine de Médicis), and their final offspring, Alessandro, a bastard, was duke of Florence. In the 16th century a third line renounced republican notions and imposed its tyranny, and its members made themselves a dynasty of grand dukes of Tuscany. The differences between these three collateral lines are due essentially to circumstances, for there was, in all the Medici, an extraordinary persistence of hereditary traits. In the first place, not being soldiers, they were constantly confronting their adversaries with bribes of gold rather than with battalions of armed men. In addition, the early Medici resolutely courted favour with the middle and poorer classes in the city, and this determination to be popolani (“plebeian”) endured a long time after them. Finally, all were consumed by a passion for arts and letters and for building. They were more than beneficent and ostentatious patrons of the arts; they were also enlightened and were probably the most magnificent such patrons that the West has ever seen. ("Medici Family." Encyclopædia Britannica. 2006. Encyclopædia Britannica Premium Service. 29 Mar. 2006 < >. ) [MB]

<de'>, being a scribal abbreviation for <dei>, isn't registerable and should be expanded to <dei>. [AmC]

Beatrice Fayrwether of York (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per chevron azure mullety argent and gules, a chevron Or and in base a cockatoo displayed argent.

Bardsley s.n. Fairweather has a few 14th C citations including <Fayerweder> 1379 and <Fairewedre> 16 Edw. III. S.n. York is <de York> 1379. I recommend changing this to <Beatrice Fayerweder de York> to comply with her request for a 14th C name. I found no conflicts with the arms either. [AmC] Upon further discussion with the client, she’s more interested in the submitted form than a more 14th C. name...ah well! [MMM]

There is a weirdness for any bird other than an eagle in the displayed posture. The only registrations of a cockatoo were done without comment over fifteen years ago. Since they are native to Pacific islands, their presence in Europe needs to be documented. Clear. Return for documentation. [KH]

Four cockatoo species are indigenous to Indonesia and its “Spice Islands,” areas known to Portuguese, Spanish and Dutch sailors, traders and colonists in late period: lesser sulphur-crested (yellow-crested), Cacatua sulphurea; Moluccan (salmon-crested), C. moluccensis; umbrella (white), C. alba; and the Goffin's cockatoo (Tanimbar), C. goffini. The red-vented cockatoo, C. haematuropygia, is native to the Philippines (most information on the indigenous areas of species is found in ). Magellan’s expedition landed in the Philippines c. 1521 before proceeding to Timor ( ). While the term “Spice Islands” was applied to several areas of Indonesia, it most often refers to the Moluccas/Muluku Islands in European and Chinese journals. Chinese annals of the Tang dynasty from around the middle of the 7th century A.D. mention a land named Mi-li-ku. The 14th century Javanese manuscript Nagarakertagama mentions the name Maloko, meaning the island of Ternate, part of this province, which in the 17th century was known to the Portuguese as Moluquo ( ). The Spice Islands were discovered by the Portuguese in 1511, with numerous explorations of the area following in the next few years. They established a factory there in 1521and were dispossessed by the Dutch in 1609 ( ). The First Discovery of Australia and New Guinea: Being The Narrative of Portuguese and Spanish Discoveries in the Australasian Regions, between the Years 1492-1606, with Descriptions of their Old Charts, by George Collingridge ( ), also notes this discovery of the area by Western Europeans/Portuguese in 1511 and its subsequent settlement for the production and export of spices to the West.

In 1513, a Portuguese fort was constructed on Ambon Island, but the Portuguese presence there was regularly challenged by attacks from indigenous Muslims on the island's northern coast. The Portuguese never managed to control the local trade in spices, and failed in attempts to establish their authority over the Banda Islands, the nearby center of nutmeg production. The Spaniards took control of Ternate and Tidore.( ).

Given the size and sound-making abilities of all cockatoos, it is highly unlikely that the native cockatoo populations found in the Moluccas would’ve gone unnoticed by European colonists. It is also possible, given the trade in related birds such as parrots (which themselves find entry as the heraldic popinjay), that cockatoos might’ve been captured and tamed as pets. Additionally, the COED gives the etymology of the word “cockatoo” from Malay kakatila, applied immediately through Dutch kaketoe; the variation in spelling is likely influenced in form by cock, an English word commonly associated with birds, particularly males. In his1634 Travels, Sir T. Herbert refers to “Cacatoes, birds like Parrats, fierce and indomitable.” While the term and knowledge of the cockatoo might not have been familiar in England until the early 17th C., it seems that other European countries like Holland had adopted the word for the bird into its language. The Online Etymological Dictionary ( ) dates English introduction of “cockatoo” as 1616, from Dutch kaketoe, from Malay kakatua, possibly echoic, or from kakak "elder brother or sister" + tua "old." It seems likely that the cockatoo was known to Western Europeans within the scope of the S.C.A. [MMM, Beatrice]

Cyneburg Thorisdohter (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale sable and vert, in fess a lightning bolt and a garb, on a chief Or three hearts gules.

The name is Old English. Cyneburg is an OE feminine name (R&W, 3rd edition, s.n. Kimbrough, p. 265). Thori is an OE masculine given name dated to 1066 (R&W, 3rd edition, s.n. Thory); the patronymic is formed as in Sibbe Ædesdohter, dated c. 1095, in R&W’s introduction under the header “Surnames of Relationship” (p. xviii). The client will not accept major changes to the name.

Searle p. 154 has quite a few <Cyneburh>'s, including ones dated c. 740, c. 730, 901, c. 1050?, 680-710. <Cyneburg> is also in AElfwyn's "Anglo-Saxon Names" (, and Marieke's "Anglo-Saxon Women's Names from Royal Charters" ( has:

Cineburg                 S-221, 901; Latin                                    Cyneburge              S-95, 723x737; Latin, Mercia

Kineburh                 S-72, 680; English, Mercia                     Kyneburga              S-68, 664; Latin, Mercia

Further consultation with the client shows that she’d rather have the given name spelled as Cyneburga. While not listed as one of the documented forms, Aryanhwy comments “If both <Cyneburge> and <Kyneburga> are documentable, <Cyneburga> or <Kyneburge> both seem reasonable extrapolations - especially because both of the documented spellings are found in the same linguistic context (Latin). If one was Latin and the other English, I'd be a bit more hesitant, but as it is, I see no problem.” [MMM]

"In fess" can be removed from the blazon, since that's the default, [AmC] I found no conflicts. [AmC, KH]


Eirene Zaridas (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend sinister argent and azure, a cluster of grapes counterchanged.

The family name needs to be feminized to match the gender of the given name. Per the table given in the cited article, the feminine of <Zaridas> is <Zaridina>. I found no conflicts. The mini emblazon should have the line of division over the grapes. I found no conflicts. [AmC]


Elizabeth Frogenhall (Granholme): NEW NAME

Good name! (Though it should be listed after Eirene on the ELoI). I found no conflicts. [AmC] D’oh! [MMM]


Faolán Boru (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, a chevron between two hearts Or and a wolf’s head erased argent.

It would be good to see evidence that <Boru> is not unique to Brian before this is registered. [AmC] I’ve wrangled over this for a while. The closest submission to this was for Matthias Boru from the Kingdom of Atenveldt, way back in the late 1970s, and while that name wasn’t registered, I have no record in his file for the reason behind it (or where the return was made). I’d rather send this on and get the College’s opinion. [MMM]

This conflicts with Edmund Middleton of York (reg. 07/1997 via An Tir), "Azure, a chevron between three estoiles Or," with one CD for changing the type of secondaries, but none for changing just the tincture of the bottommost since we've already gotten a CD for changing it's type, per the CoA Glossary. [AmC]

You can count a CD for the tincture of the bottommost charge, then a CD for type of the top two charges. This isn't a situation where only the bottom charge has changed. Clear. [KH]


Gepa of Sundragon (Sundragon): NEW NAME


Linnett Marie de Ryes (Twin Moons): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, October 2001: Per saltire sable and gules, an acorn between the tips of a vol Or.

Alternate blazon: Per saltire sable and gules, between the tips of a vol an acorn Or. [KH] No conflicts found. [AmC, KH]


Guillaume le Dragon (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, on a roundel per pale sable and argent, an Oriental dragon tergiant embowed-counterembowed counterchanged.

The name is clear of <William Black Dragon> (reg. 11/2004 via Ansteorra), by removal of the element <Black>; clear of <William Dragonhelm> (05/1992 via the West) by removal of the element <-helm>, and clear of <William of Dragonrest> (12/1982 via the West) by removal of <-rest>. It's *probably* clear of <William Drake> (reg. 08/1995 via Ansteorra), since the surnames look and sound substantially different, even though they mean the same thing. [AmC]

The LoI mentions that this blazon is taken from somewhere else, but it looks like the sentence got cut off. I found no conflicts. [AmC] Yeah, I mucked this one up. The blazon for the dragon’s posture comes from Richard of Wyvernwood, April 2002: Vert, an Oriental dragon tergiant embowed-counterembowed within a bordure argent. [MMM]

Clear. Return for violating RfS VIII.4.c Natural Depiction -- Excessively naturalistic use of otherwise acceptable charges may not be registered. [KH] As Richard’s dragon is likely to be in the same posture (Wreath might double-check on this, just to be sure), this doesn’t seem to be excessively natural, particularly for a wingless, Oriental dragon. [MMM]


Merrick Dowling (Atenveldt) BADGE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2006: Sable, a bend cotised between two skulls argent.

This is clear of Juliana nicColin (reg. 08/1979), "Sable, a bend cotised argent between two wolf's heads erased ermine, langued gules," with a CD for the type, one for the tincture, and one for the orientation of the secondaries. That was the closest I found. [AmC] Clear. [KH]


Richard Froggenhall (Granholme): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, a fox’s mask sable and a bordure embattled azure.

Good name! No conflicts found. It's clear of both Rauf Frogenhall (reg. 11/2003 via Meridies) and Ravenild Frogenhall (reg. 10/2004 via the East) in both cases because the given names are sufficiently different. [AmC]

The identifiability of the fox's mask would be greatly improved with some internal detailing. This is clear of Annys Reynard (reg. 11/1994), "Or, a fox's mask sable, on a chief purpure three roses Or," with a CD for the type and one for the tincture of the peripheral, and one for the tertiaries. It's clear of Arnelfr Thingkona (reg. 08/1988), "Argent, a greyhound's head couped at the shoulder, a bordure embattled azure," with a CD for the field, and one for the orientation of the head. Those were the closest I found. [AmC]

Consider Conrad Stronghand: Or, a wolf's head caboshed sable maintaining a rose gules, barbed, seeded, slipped, and leaved proper.; CD bordure, possible CD rose. This registration predates Bruce's maintained/sustained precedent and might be misblazoned by current standards. This mask is unidentifiable without internal details. Redraw. [KH] Having consulted with the client, he wishes to send this up and see if Conrad’s rose does merit the second CD. [MMM]


Rivka bat Yehudah (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, September 2005: Azure, a chevron rompu ermine between two wolves’ heads couped respectant and a feather argent.

The name was registered January 2006.

The original device submission, Azure, a chevron rompu between two wolves’ heads couped respectant and a feather argent., was returned for conflict with Darius Cordell: Azure, a chevron rompu between three Bourchier knots palewise argent., with a single CD for type of secondaries. This new design resolves that conflict, and Amazonia Longa has provided a letter of permission to conflict with her registered armory, Azure, a chevron rompu ermine between two triquetras argent and a rapier proper.


Séamus mac Ríán (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, a winged cat sejant sable and on a chief gules three open books Or.

The byname should be <mac R{i'}{a'}in>, in the genitive case. Otherwise, the name is fine. It doesn't conflict with <Séamus Ó Maoil Riain> (reg. 02/2004 via Atlantia), because of the <Maoil>. That was the closest I found. [AmC]

As drawn, it's hard to tell whether the books have their pages to the viewer or their spines to the viewer; some internal detailing indicating the placement of the cover would improve their identifiability. [AmC] I found no conflicts. [AmC, KH]


Snorri inn havi (Burning Sands): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2006: Per bend sable and Or, a wolf passant counterchanged.

 I found no conflicts.[AmC, KH]


Vicana de la Haye (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a gauntlet inverted sable winged gules grasping a fleur-de-lys fesswise purpure, a bordure flory counter-flory gules.

The very large temporal disparity between the name elements might be a reason for return. On the other hand, the 13th century did see a fad for classical and Latinate names, so using a late classical name with a 13th century by name isn’t absolutely out of the question. [KT]

I think the bordure should be draw a bit narrower. [AÞ] This complex line treatment is unidentifiable. The fleurs should be drawn with separation between them to emphasize the demi-fleur outlines. Return for violating RfS VII.7. [KH] The bordure has been redrawn, taking the suggestion of giving some separation between the demi-fleurs. [MMM]


The following are returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds for further work, April 2006:


Gepa of Sundragon: NEW DEVICE: Azure, a bull statant regardant argent.

The arms need to be redrawn so that the bull is not in trian aspect. They are clear of Niall Ó Néill (11/ 2003), "Per pale azure and sable, in pale two bulls passant argent," with one CD for the field, and one for the number of bulls. Ditto for Frederich Kober von Rostock (08/2003), "Quarterly gules and argent, two bulls passant guardant argent." It's clear of Ehrenfried Schertenleib (10/1999), "Quarterly gules and sable, a tricorporate bull argent," with one CD for the field and one for (essentially) the number of bulls. It's probably clear of Garrison of Borden (01/1974), "Vert, a Holstein-Frisian cow [Bos taurus holstein-frisian] statant proper over a milking stool and a pail argent," with one CD for the field and another for the tincture of the cow (and perhaps one for the stool and pail, if they count as secondaries), but this might need a visual check by Wreath. They may also conflict with Willow Herbert (08/1979), "Vert, a bull passant argent, pied gules, armed and unguled sable, horns tipped argent," with just one CD for the field; I'm not sure whether there's a second CD for tincture. [AmC]

This bull is drawn in trian aspect. Consider Weltschin von Wertheim: (Fieldless) A buffalo courant argent.; single CD for fieldless. And Willow Herbert: Vert, a bull passant argent, pied gules, armed and unguled sable, horns tipped argent.; CD field, possible CD for tincture. Visual call. Return for violating RfS VIII.1.c.i and conflict. [KH] While Willow’s armory might be clear, if the pied appearance makes the bull look half-argent, half-gules, there is a definite conflict with Weltschin’s armory, plus the issue of trian aspect. [MMM]


Stefan Zinnecker der Jäger von Ansbach (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

Precedent doesn't allow the use of two descriptive surnames in German: "Erich der Suchenwirth zum Schwarzenkatze. Name....Submitted as Erich Schwarzenkatze der Suchenwirth, no documentation was provided and none found for the use of two descriptive bynames in a German name. A combination of a descriptive byname with a locative byname is found occasionally in German names, and is, therefore, registerable. However, barring documentation for the practice, German names containing two descriptive bynames are not registerable. In this case, though Schwarzenkatze, which translates to "black cat", is a reasonable German housename. We have changed the name to Erich_der Suchenwirth_zum Schwarzenkatze in order to register it." [LoAR 07/2005, Caid-A] I haven't been able to find any other support for <Zinnecker> either; I do have <Czinck> twice in my "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497"(, but that's the closest. The same article also has <Jeger> 5 times, and S. Gabriel Report #527 ( says: "There are many examples of "Jaeger," in various spellings, as a German byname meaning "hunter." In early period, "Jeger" was the most common spelling. The spellings we found, with dates, are below:


    * Ja:ger (1280, 1456) ("a:" is "a" with an umlaut);               * Jeger (1411, 1439); * Jegere (1367)"

The footnotes are Brechenmacher, Schwarz, and Mulch, _Arnsburger Personennamen: Untersuchungen zum Namenmaterial aus Arnsburger Urkunden vom 13. - 16. Jahrhundert._ And report #2436

( says: "<Jaeger> or <Ja"ger> "hunter" is a spelling generally found later than your period. The more typical spelling in the 14th century is <Jeger>; we find that form recorded in Bohemia 1411 and in other parts of southern Germany in the late 13th and 14th centuries [4, 5]. However, we have also found an example of <Ja"ger> in Baden in southwestern Germany in 1280, and <Ja"germeister> in Austria in 1365 [6]. In either spelling the name was pronounced roughly \YEH-gehr\."

So, <Stefan Ja"ger von Ansbach> is plausible, as would <Stefan X von Ansbach> where X is any of the dated surnames containing <zin> cited on the LoI, but I don't see any way for the submitted name to be registerable. [AmC] I’ll contact the client and ask how he wishes to proceed. [MMM]

RETURNED for client consultation.


The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, January 2006:


Abigail de Westminster. Name.

Alexander of Mons Tonitrus. Holding name and device. Per bend gules and sable, on a bend argent four crosses formy palewise gules.

Nice armory! Submitted under the name Alexander of Tyre, that name was returned on the November 2005 LoAR.

Amalie zu dem Blumen. Device. Argent, a gurges and a base azure charged with a bouquet of three gillyflowers argent, slipped and leaved vert.

Brigh McGavin. Name and device. Per bend argent and purpure, a cauldron and three hearts counterchanged.

Submitted as Bree McGavin, no documentation was submitted and none found for a name in either English or Irish spelled Bree. The documentation shows Bree as the phonetic spelling of the Middle Irish Brig or Early Modern Irish Brigh. Ó Corrain and Maguire, Irish Names s.n. Brig, says that the name was born by 13 saints. Therefore, Brig and Brigh are registerable because they are the forms of the name of a saint. Early Modern Irish is temporally (if not linguistically) consistent with the Anglicized byname McGavin. We have changed the name to Brigh McGavin in order to register it. If the submitter is interested in a fully Irish version of this name, we suggest Brigh inghean an Ghobhann. The Annals of the Four Masters (found at has a Muirchertach Mac an Gobhann in 1341.

Ceara MacTagan. Name.

Submitted as Ceara mac Tag, the byname mac Tag was intended as a theoretical Anglicization of the name inghean Taidhg. This was based on the 16th C Anglicization O Tagan from the Irish Ó Tadhgain. However, the first syllable in the genitive Tadhgain has a different pronunciation from the genitive Taidgh, therefore, it is not reasonable to base an Anglicization of the second name on the pronunciation of the first. In addition, in such Anglicizations, the patronymic particle is usually capitalized. We have changed this to Ceara MacTagan in order to register it. O Tagan is a late period Anglicization of Ó Tadhgháin found in Woulfe, Irish Names and Surnames, s.n. Ó Tadhgáin.

Colyn MacRuairidh of Rathlin. Badge. Vert, a beehive argent.

Nice badge!

Damian Silberberg. Name and device. Per pale Or and gules, a pair of demi-wings conjoined, each wingtip terminating in a hand maintaining a sword, the swords crossed in saltire counterchanged.

Elizabet Alfinnsdottir. Device. Sable, on a bend sinister between two unicorn's horns bendwise sinister Or, an ivy vine throughout vert.

Geirríðr in víðf{o,}rla. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Geirríðr in víðfgrla, the documentation, Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, The Old Norse Name, shows the masculine form of the byname as inn víðf{o,}rla. We have changed the name to Geirríðr in víðf{o,}rla to match the documentation.

Godfried of Frisia. Reblazon of device. Azure, two natural tigers rampant addorsed argent marked sable, their tails entwined around and sustaining a sword inverted proper.

Registered in January 1984 with the blazon Azure, two natural tigers rampant addorsed argent, their tails entwined around a sword inverted proper, the sword is taller than the tigers making it a sustained charge. In order to ensure that the tigers are properly drawn, we have added the fact that they are marked sable.

Lysander Keisalovitch. Reblazon of badge for the House of the Golden Ibex. Gules, a natural ibex statant Or, its sinister foreleg raised and entangled in the slide of a sackbut bendwise sinister, bell to base argent.

Registered March 1980 with the blazon Gules, an ibex statant Or, its sinister fore-leg raised and entangled in the slide of a sackbut bendwise sinister, bell to base, argent, the ibex is a natural ibex, not a heraldic ibex. Please see the Cover Letter for a discussion on ibexes.

Mikel of Perth. Name.

This name mixes Swedish and Scots; this is one step from period practice. The submitter requested a name authentic for 14th C Scotland/Perth, but accepted only minor changes. Because of this, we are unable to change the language of the given name to make this name authentic. No evidence has been found for use of the letter k in the name Michael in Scots (the common tongue spoken in Perth in the 14th C). Forms of this name found in Black include Michael in Latin contexts in 1214 and 1307, and Michel(l) and Mechil (as a surname or part of a surname) in the 15th and 16th C. The Dictionary of the Scots Language ( also lists Michel in 1400. The spelling of the locative, Perth, is consistent with 14th C Scots forms. Johnston, The Placenames of Scotland s.n. Perth, lists this spelling in 1210, while Black, The Surnames of Scotland s.n. Perth, lists a John de Perth in 1296, and a Thomas of Perth in 1339-40.If the submitter is interested in an authentic 14th C Scots name, we suggest Michel de Perth or Michel of Perth.

Rivka bat Yehudah. Name.

Sundragon, Barony of. Badge. Per fess argent and azure, a rainbow gules, argent, azure, Or and purpure, clouded azure, and an acorn Or.

This is neither a heraldic rainbow nor a natural rainbow; however, it is grandfathered to the barony as it matches the rainbow on their arms.

Sundragon, Barony of. Badge. Argent, a fess azure between a rainbow gules, argent, azure, Or and purpure, clouded azure, and a heart gules.

This is neither a heraldic rainbow nor a natural rainbow; however, it is grandfathered to the barony as it matches the rainbow on their arms.

Sundragon, Barony of. Badge. Gules, a dragon segreant contourny and a bordure indented argent.

William of Mons Tonitrus. Holding name and device. Vert, on a plate a stag's head cabossed sable, on a chief embattled argent a roundel between an increscent and decrescent sable.

Submitted under the name William MacLeod the Moonstag, this device would have been returned for presumption under RfS XI.2 - Charge and Name Combination. The byname "the Moonstag" combined with increscent-roundel-decrescent combination, which is widely used by Wiccans and neo-pagans, and the stag's head creates too strong an association with the Lord of the Forest. However, as the problematic name element ("the Moonstag") is not registerable, this device may be registered under a holding name.

The following are returned by the College of Arms for further work, January 2006:


Geirríðr in víðf{o,}rla. Device. Pily barry bendy sinister Or and gules and sable.

The submitter requested that this device be withdrawn from consideration.

William MacLeod the Moonstag. Name.

No documentation was submitted and none found to show that a word combining moon and stag forms a meaningful descriptive byname in English or follows known patterns for forming English bynames. As Orle notes, "The elements may be documented to period but the combined byname is nonsense. I can document Star and Ship to period but that doesn't make Starship a period name." We would drop the offending element, but the name William MacLeod is an aural conflict with Uilleam MacLeòid, registered Jan 1997. His armory has been registered under the holding name William of Mons Tonitrus.


The following are registered by the College of Arms, February 2006:


Ari Ánsson. Name and device. Argent, in pale two lucies and on a base gules a lucy argent.

Submitted as Ari Ánson, the correct genitive form of Án is Áns. We have changed the name to Ari Ánsson to correct the grammar.

Aziza al-Zarqa'. Name (see RETURNS for badge).

Submitted as Aziza al-Zarqa, the documentation shows the laqab as al-Zarqa'. We have made this change to the name to match the documentation.

Bryn O'Grady. Name and device. Per bend indented gules and Or, a sun and a crescent horns to sinister chief counterchanged.

No documentation was submitted to suggest that the Welsh name Bryn was used in period. However, Bardsley, A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames s.n. Brine, notes that the name derives from the baptismal name Brien/Bryan and cites Thomas Bryn of Kilkinney in 1586. We feel this is sufficient to demonstrate that this form is consistent with period spellings.

Bryndís Eiríksdóttir. Name and device. Vert, in pale an otter passant and a mastless drakkar reversed argent.

Celestria de Braunston. Name.

Charles Veitch. Device. Vert, a pair of cat's eyes in chevron inverted Or slitted vert, a base indented Or.

While this somewhat has the appearance of a monster's face, the basic emblazon is similar to that returned on the July 2005 LoAR. The reason for return at the time involved the positioning of the cat's eyes. As the submitter has redrawn the eyes to correct the problems noted on the LoAR, we are giving him the benefit of the doubt and registering this.

Cristobal de Luson. Name and device. Barry wavy Or and azure, a spearfish naiant embowed contourny argent and a chief wavy gules.

Nice name! Blazoned on the LoI as a swordfish, the primary charge is actually a spearfish as shown at

Evan Hawkins. Device. Or semy of arrows gules, an alant rampant collared azure.

While the collar is worth no difference, the ring at the back of the collar makes it difficult to identify what is going on. Please advise the submitter to use argent detailing, rather than sable, to help with identification.

Gavin Featherstone. Device. Gules, a Catherine wheel argent and a base wavy barry wavy argent and sable.

Geirríðr in víðf{o,}rla. Device. Bendy sinister Or and sable, three piles issuant from sinister gules.

Imma Kaillewey. Name (See RETURNS for device).

This name combines Dutch and English; this is one step from period practice.

Ingvarr Bjarnarson. Name and device. Per bend sinister vert and sable, a bend sinister between a bear's head cabossed argent and a roundel Or.

Please advise the submitter that the bend should be drawn wider.

Jaspar de Dunkerque. Name and device. Per fess argent and gules, a fleur-de-lys and a frog counterchanged.

Medb McLeod. Name (see RETURNS for device).

This name mixes Gaelic and English. This is one step from period practice.

Nakada Tadamitsu. Name.

Nastas'ia Volkovicha. Name and device. Per pale azure and purpure, two chevronels braced Or and in base a wolf's head erased contourny argent.

Stephan MacAllester of Cork. Name and device. Sable, a smith's hammer Or and a rapier in saltire, a bordure dovetailed argent.

The submitter requested a name authentic for 13-14th C Irish/Scottish. We assume that, since his documentation references Scottish mercenaries who settled in Ulster in the 14th C, that he means a name authentic for such Scottish transplants. The truth is we simply do not have enough information available at this time to guess about such a name. The name is certainly registerable as submitted, but we cannot say whether it is suitable for his particular specifications. If the submitter is interested in a fully Irish Gaelic form of this name, we suggest Stiamhna Corcaidh mac Alasdair. All parts of this name are found in works published on CELT ( Stiamhna is found in the Annals of the Four Masters in an entry for 1352. The Annals of Ulster 1465 has mac Alasdair, while Corcaidh is found in entries dating from the 12th to the 16th C in Mac Cartaigh's Book.

Uilliam Ó Cléirigh. Device. Argent, a bend sinister wavy azure, in dexter chief a brown otter statant guardant proper.

Wyllym MacLeod of Tir Ysgithr. Name change from holding name Wyllym of Atenveldt.


The following are returned by the College of Arms for further work, February 2006:


Aziza al-Zarqa'. Badge. (Fieldless) A tulip gules slipped and leaved vert within and conjoined to the horns of a decrescent Or.

This is returned for redraw. The tulip is barely touching the decrescent; barely conjoined charges have long been grounds for return. In addition, the tulip is neither palewise nor bendwise. On resubmission, please advise the submitter to draw the decrescent fatter.

Imma Kaillewey. Device. Per pale indented gules and purpure, a needle bendwise sinister argent.

This device conflicts with Adrienne de la Montagne, (Fieldless) A sewing needle bendwise sinister argent doubly-threaded vert and purpure piercing a bead sable. The bead is a maintained charge, thus there is a single CD for fieldlessness. The LoI noted that a letter of permission to conflict was included - it was not, therefore this must be returned. While precedent states "By long-standing precedent we do not allow a charge to overlap a low contrast complex line of division except when the overlap is so small that the line of division is not obscured. [Matilda Merryweather, 07/00, R-Ansteorra]". In this case, the needle is thin enough that it does not obscure the line of division and thus would be registerable.

Medb McLeod. Device. Per saltire Or and gules, in pale two lotus blossoms in profile and in fess two dragonflies counterchanged.

This is returned for redraw. The majority of the commenters, and all of those present at the Estrella roadshow, were unable to identify the lotus blossoms as such.

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