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Unto Their Royal Majesties Morgan and Livia; Lord Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the March 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent. Please have commentary to me by 20 February 2014. Thank you!

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be Friday, February, beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for directions or if you have questions.

The following submissions appear in the February 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary is provided by Alys Mackyntoich [AM], Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Brenna Lowri o Ruthin [BloR], Emma de Fetherstan [EdF], ffride wlffsdotter [fw], Gunnvor silfraharr [Gs], Maridonna Benvenuti [MB], Padraig Lowther [PL], Tailtiu of Gortrua [TG], Taran The Wayward [TW] and Marta [MMM].

Bianca Charbonneau (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, an owl displayed and on a chief sable three fleur-de-lys argent.

Names from the Household of Charlotte de Savoie by Sara L. Uckelman lists 1 Charbonneau. The article states, "While I haven't been able to determine an exact date for the list, it is from no earlier than 1464, since a nurse for her daughter Jehanne, born that year, is mentioned. (It is also from no later than her death in 1483.)" [MB]
Yup. I believe I wrote that article after this submitter asked about <Charbonneau> on SCA Heraldry FB chat. [AmC]
Consider: Friederich Scrodir von Baden The following device associated with this name was registered in January of 1996 (via Atlantia): Or, an eagle displayed on a chief sable three lilies argent. 1DC for the field tincture, but I am not sure if we get a DC for lillies vs Fleurs. [TW]

We do. Both fleurs-de-lys and lilies are period heraldic charges that were considered distinct in period (I believe it's Eton College that has both of them on their arms), and thus there is a DC. [AmC]

Denton Tanner (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per bend argent and azure, a chamfrom and a horse's head couped contourny counterchanged.

Some internal detailing on the horse's head would be good. [BLoR]

Gwyneth O Callaghan (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, a tree eradicated proper issuant from base and on a chief azure a sun Or and a decrescent argent.

The documentation for <Gwyneth> doesn't support its use as a given name. However, it can be found in the Family Search Historical Records: Gwineth Robert; Female; Marriage; 20 Oct 1577; Conway, Caernavon, England; Batch: M04948-1

It's been well-established that i and y are interchangeable in late-period English and Welsh. [Am]
Mari's article establishes a pattern of women's using O-style bynames. <O Callaghan> is just fine. [AM]

Blazon-fu: Argent, an ash tree eradicated proper issuant from base and on a chief azure a sun Or and a decrescent argent. If we just call it a tree, then we are saying it's our default, the oak tree. This is specifically ash, by the leaves and the ash-keys. [Gs]

Twin Palm Pursuivant notes that the sun is indeed Or.

Heinrich der Hahn (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Quarterly vert and sable, in chief two roosters respectant Or.

Some Early Middle High German Bynames with Emphasis on Names from the Bavarian Dialect Area by Brian M. Scott ( has:
sn. Han, Hane:
Wernherus Galli 1202
Johannes Hano 1276
I wonder if it is from a house name, as Bahlow in Deutsches Namenlexikon mentions <Clewy zem Hane> 1437, from Freiburg (sn. Hahn), and in the return for the name Lothar Van Hahn in March 2010, it says:
"The LoI asserted that Hahn was dated to 1437 in Bahlow, A Dictionary of German Names, p. 311, but this is not the case. The documented forms found in Bahlow, s.n. Hahn, are zem Hane 1437 and Hane 1280, 1367. (zem is a contraction for zu dem 'at/to the'.) Brechenmacher s.n. Hahn dates Joh. vom Han to 1493. (vom is a contraction for von dem 'of the'.) The origin of this byname is a house name, deriving from the word hane 'rooster'.... We would change the name to Lothar zem Hane, Lothar vom Hahn, or Lothar Hane, to use one of the documented bynames, but the submitter does not allow major changes." [fw]

This appears clear of conflict and is a lovely, simple and aesthetically pleasing piece of heraldry. "Green and gold", and the rest "all black" - sporting Lochac approves. Greeting from a trainee herald from down under practicing her heraldry afield, under the supervision of Paddy Lowther. [TG]

Randolph Greenwall (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Vert, a harp and on a chief embattled Or three axes reversed vert.

Putting the two name elements into the same century, <Randolph> also appears as a male name in "Late Sixteenth Century English Given Names" by Talan Gwynek ( [AM]
Tailltiu and I find this one to be clear of conflict, though we recommend the submitter employ larger and fewer battlements in their line. [PL]

Sandhya Kesari (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Gyronny argent and sable, a lotus flower in profile and an orle purpure.

An alternative to this rather hard to see purple on black might be having the lotus 'face on' rather than in profile and counter changed with a gold flower centre. As it is this is not immediately identifiable as a lotus. [TG]

Assuming this passes kingdom, you'll probably want to rescan or tweak the color settings to add a bit more red in, so OSCAR will see the purple appropriately. See for details and tips. [EdF]

Sitriuc Liathsionnach (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per chevron Or and vert, two pommes each charged with a triskelion of armored legs Or and a winged seafox couchant Or.

<in Eich Gil> is literally the only example of a [color] + [animal] byname that I've ever seen in Gaelic. Does one example a pattern make? However, might I suggest the following: Sitriuc mac Sinaig Liath
<Sinag> is the genitive form of <Sinach>, a Middle Irish name also found in Mari's "Index" (
<Liath> is the same both in the nominative and genitive forms ( [AM]
Since sea-horses in this position are blazoned as naiant, I think the blazon should be Per chevron Or and vert, two pommes each charged with a triskelion of armored legs Or and a winged seafox naiant argent. Sea-creatures don't couch. [Gs]

Thank you all for your continuing hard work for the Atenveldt College of Heralds and the people of Atenveldt!

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

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