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Unto Their Royal Majesties Phelan and Amirah, King and Queen of the Lands of Atenveldt; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings of the New Year from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the March 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. Where there any submissions this month, know that I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! Groups ( ) and post there. (Any commentary is likely be included in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!)

Please have commentary to me for those submissions under consideration for the March 2011Atenveldt Letter of Intent by 15 March 2011. Thanks!

Estrella Fallout (Windout/Rainout): We had a great Consultation Table Wednesday through Friday! I'm sure it would've been just as awesome on Saturday, aside from The Change in the Weathe. Many thanks to all heralds who worked at the Table, the vast majority from our own Kingdom this year. Most of the Estrella submissions (plus the list of heralds who were there, and my thanks) appears in a separate Letter or Presentation – the rest are included in this Letter.

Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group (like a Barony) has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well. If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 18 March. For more information, please contact me ( ).

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

College of Arms Actions: Atenveldt registrations and returns made at the December 2010 Laurel meetings (submissions found on the September 2010 Atenveldt LoI) are found at the end of this report. Lots of good news!

Please consider the following for the March 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Berkedei Kökösara (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE

Argent, a gurges sable and on a chief gules three bats argent.

The name appears in the November 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

Cassandra Attewoode (Tir Ysgithr): NEW HOUSEHOLD, Summers Keep, AND BADGE
Azure a sunburst Or and a wall argent.

The name was registered November 2003.

Summer is an undated byname likely referring to a sumpter or even a muleteer. Alice at Someres is dated to 1327, likely meaning a servant for a sumpter (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 434 s.n. Summer, Summers). Keep is a header found in the same source, who date Thomas ate Kepe to 1327 and Robert de Kepe to 1332, p. 261, the name likely meaning an employee at a keep or a castle.

Elsa Olavintytär (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A bee bendwise sinister Or winged argent.

The name was registered July 2010. The badge uses elements of her registered device, Per bend azure and vert in bend sinister three bees bendwise sinister Or winged argent. This is clear of Meadhbh inghean mhic Fhirléighinn, Quarterly sable and purpure, a bee bendwise sinister argent. There is 1 CD for fieldlessness and 1 CD for changing half of the tincture of the bee, from all Or to Or and argent.

Etgar Wit Acra (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, a dragon passant between three mascles argent.

Etgar is an English masculine given name dated to 1086 in the Domeday Book (Withycombe, 3rd edition, pp. 92-3, s.n. Edgar. Simon de Wit Acra is an English surname dated to 1180, “of white field” or “of wheat field” (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, pp.485-6 s.n. Whitaker); Whitaker is the client's legal surname that he'd like to use as an element of his SCA name. The client desidres a male name, and is most interest in the language/culture of the name (11th-12th C. England); he would like to have it authentic for language/culture, 11th-12th C. England.

Finnr Eiríksson (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

The name is Old Norse, with all elements found in The Old Norse Name, Geirr Bassi Haraldsson. Finnr is a masculine given name, p. 9. Eiríkr is a masculine given name, p. 9. The patronymic is formed in the standard way, -r becoming -s, with addition of the -son suffix, p. 17. The client desires a male name and will not accept Major Changes.

Séamus mac Ríáin (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A winged cat sejant sustaining a shepherd's crook, pendant therefrom a lantern, all sable.

The name was registered August 2006. The client uses a winged cat found on his registered armory.

The following submissions appear in the February 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary is provided by Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Coblaith Muimnech [CM] and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].

Elnor Howard (Wealhhnutu): NEW BADGE: (Fieldless) Two hawk's lures in fess azure and gules conjoined to an annulet Or.

Fiona inghean Mheg Uidhir (Mons Tonitrus): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A cow statant gules.

The name was registered September 2008.

Vert, a cow statant and in chief three annulets enfiled by an arrow fesswise reversed Or.

Gelleia de Horslaporte (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Quarterly azure and argent, a butterfly counterchanged.

Jeuls de Caen (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, three piles inverted in point azure, in dexter chief a basil leaf vert.

The summary doesn't currently offer any evidence that "Caen" is a period place name. Fortunately, it appears on page 123 of La Guide

des Chemins de France, which was published by Charles Estienne in Paris in 1552

< >.

Aryanhwy merch Catmael's "Provins Names 1587" < > contains several toponymics of the form "de [city name]" recorded in a 1587 tax roll from a small town near Paris, including "de Bloys", "de Fleury", and "de Montigny", so "de Caen" seems to be a plausible construction for the period and linguistic context to which "Caen" is documented.

If the client has any interest in using a real period given name instead of relying on the Legal Name Allowance to shoehorn something modern into a registration, you might mention that "Julian" was recorded as a masculine given name in Brittany in 1541, 1544, and 1550, according to Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn's "Given Names from Brittany, 1384-1600" < > and that "Julien" appears in Cateline de la Mor's "Sixteenth Century Norman Names" < > as a masculine given name attested in 16th-century Normandy. There's also a "Jules Cezar de Bernier" mentioned in the tax roll from Provins cited above. So "Julian de Caen", "Julien de Caen", or "Jules Cezar de Caen" makes sense as a latter-16th-century French masculine name, and "Jules de Caen" could (in my opinion) be argued to be a reasonable possibility for the same context. [CM]

Further consultation with the client has determined that he prefers to use the spelling from his legal given name for the given name of his SCA persona. [MMM]

The following submissions have been registered by the SCA College of Arms, December 2010:

Alis Fullam. Name.

The byname was documented as the submitter's legal name, but Edelweiss was able to date it to 16th century England. He was also able to date the given name to the same time, making this a nice 16th century English name.

Annábla inghean Dubhghaill. Name and device. Lozengy Or ermined vert and purpure, a dove volant argent and a chief vert.

Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Badge for Order of the White Stirrup. (Fieldless) A sun Or within and conjoined to a stirrup argent.

Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Badge for Order of the Black Chamfron. (Fieldless) A chamfron sable charged with a sun Or.

Precedent says: Most chamfrons in period heraldry do not include pieces covering the horse's ears. While the SCA accepts chamfrons with ear pieces, the ear pieces hamper the identifiability of the charge and should be drawn with care.

In this emblazon, both the chamfron and the charge on it maintain their identifiability. Therefore, this submission may be registered, even though in the past a particular piece of armory was returned because the charge on the chamfron interfered with the identifiability of the underlying chamfron. As a general rule, adding a tertiary charge to an underlying charge should not interfere with the identifiability of the underlying charge, and any such interference may be a reason for return. [Constancia Tattersall, Sept. 2002, A-An Tir]

In this submission, both charges maintain their identifiability, so they are registerable.

Clarice Alienor Aldinoch. Device. Vert, an empty drop spindle Or between two sewing needles in pile argent.

The use of a post-period depiction of a drop spindle is a step from period practice.

Dauidh Fullam. Name and device. Per bend sinister gules and Or, a beaver sejant erect counterchanged.

The Letter of Intent asked whether this name was sufficiently different from his legal name to be registered. The given names David and Dauidh are different in sound and appearance. The Gaelic Dauidh is pronounced roughly \DOW-ee\ or \DOH-veeth\, which is sufficiently different from David to allow it to be registered.

The byname was documented as the submitter's legal name, but Edelweiss was able to date it to 16th century England. Therefore, this name mixes English and Gaelic, which is a step from period practice.

Dubhchobhlaigh inghean an Bháird uí Néill. Name.

Submitted as Dubhchobhlaigh ingean an Bháird ui Néill, we require Gaelic names to either use or omit accents consistently. We have therefore added the accent to in order to register this name. Additionally, we require a name phrase to be compatible with a single time, place, and set of spelling conventions. While both ingean and an Bháird are registerable (the former in the Annals style, the latter as a standardized form), they are not compatible with one another. We have changed the byname to the standard inghean an Bháird in order to register it.

Edward de Foxton. Device. Per bend sinister vert and purpure, a bend sinister between a sheaf of three swords and a fox rampant contourny argent.

This device is clear of the device of Elena Maisnilwarin, Per bend sinister vert and purpure, a bend sinister between a unicorn's head erased and a rose slipped and leaved bendwise sinister argent. Precedent on sheaves was set on the February 2008 Cover Letter:

The 2001 precedent defining a sheaf of charges as a single charge is hereby overturned: a sheaf of charges shall be considered as three charges in a specific arrangement, not a single charge. Since a sheaf is multiple charges, there are CDs for change of both type and number of the secondary charge group.

Elias Loredan. Badge. Counter-ermine, on a plate a lion of Saint Mark passant guardant gules, haloed and maintaining beneath its forepaw an open book Or bound gules, a bordure embattled argent.

Eoin Ó Seachnasaigh. Name and device. Sable, a bend sinister vert fimbriated and in dexter chief a Celtic cross argent.

This does not conflict with the registered Íonait ní Sheachnasaigh; the bynames are significantly different. The Rules for Submissions say "[t]wo bynames of relationship are different if the natures of the relationships... are significantly different." In the April 2002 Cover Letter, Laurel ruled: For purposes of conflict, all of the following are significantly different relationships: son, daughter, grandson, granddaughter, wife, husband, brother, sister.

As is a (modern) feminine form and Ó a masculine one, they are as different as the pairs grandson/granddaughter. Therefore, they express a significantly different relationship and are not in conflict.

Because it is unnecessary, we decline to rule on whether Eoin and Íonait conflict.

Grimric of Middlesex. Name and device. Per pale sable and argent, an eagle and on a point pointed Or a gauntlet aversant gules.

The byname is the Lingua Anglica version of the Old English of Middelsexum.

Günter Haller. Name.

Kirsten Maria Matz. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Kirsten Maria Matz, the name was changed at kingdom to Maria Kirsten Matz because they could not document Kirsten as a feminine name. Lind s.n. Kristin dates Kristen to 1440 and Kyrstin to 1494 as a feminine name; Kirsten seems a reasonable interpolation. This allows the registration of the name as submitted, as a mix of Danish and German is only one step from period practice.

Kolos Siklósi. Name.

Marek the Jew. Device. Argent, a Star of David sable and a bordure embattled per saltire sable and gules.

Please instruct the submitter that the Star of David should appear to be interlaced.

It is worth noting that at these meetings the College of Arms chose to protect the following: Magen David Adom. Badge (important non-SCA badge). Argent, a Star of David gules.

In May of 2010, this badge was protected as part of the broader protection of A single gules Star of David on any argent background or in any way that could be displayed on an argent background (such as a fieldless badge). That motif is released elsewhere on this letter, as evidence was presented that the motif is not protected by treaty. However, the badge of the Magen David Adom, the Israeli affiliate of the International Committee of the Red Cross, remains important enough to protect. We are therefore protecting the badge at this time.

Ponar'ia Apolosova. Name and device. Vert, two rabbits combatant and in base three cinquefoils argent.

Submitted as Ponar'ia Apoloseva, Russian grammar requires that the patronymics after s be formed with -ova, as s is not a soft consonant (under Russian classification of consonants).

The submitter requested authenticity for Russian. This request was not summarized on the Letter of Intent. As corrected, this name seems likely to be authentic for the 15th century, though the byname is only clearly dated to the 14th century.

Ponar'ia has permission to conflict with the device of Rainillt Leia de Bello Marisco, Vert, two coneys combattant argent.

Roana le Broc. Device. Per bend sinister vert and sable, a badger's head cabossed argent marked sable and an oak sprig inverted and fructed argent.

This device is clear of the device of Gunthar Waldmann, Per bend sinister vert and sable, a bear's head caboshed argent. There is a CD for the change of number of primary charges and a CD for the change of type of primary charges. Bear's heads cabossed are significantly different than badger's heads cabossed.

Rusa al-`Aliyya. Name and device. Azure, on a pale barry sable and Or between four goblets Or a lotus blossom in profile argent.

Thomas Cyriak Bonaventure. Device. Gules, three roundels conjoined Or each charged with a broad arrow, point outward sable, a bordure Or. Titus Acilius Crassus. Name and device. Per bend sinister sable and vert, a natural leopard rampant Or sustaining a halberd, a bordure argent. Varga János. Name.

Nice late period Hungarian name! This very name is dated to 1580.

Viola de Maupin. Name.

The name Viola has long been registerable as a literary name. Edelweiss was able to find Viola as an English woman's given name in 1644. Viola was also found by Aryanhwy merch Catmael in Italy, dated to the 14th-15th century in Caracausi, Dizionario Onomastico della Sicilia, s.n. Viola.

The following submissions have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, December 2010:

Kirsten Maria Matz. Device. Purpure, a great sword bendwise sinister inverted between two roundels Or, each charged with a penguin statant proper.

This device is returned because the posture of the penguins is not blazonable. In addition, the wings are spread in a fashion which causes the birds to appear to be facing away from the viewer in trian (three-dimensional) aspect. Creatures in SCA heraldry, like medieval heraldry, should be flat, stylized animals, not using modern three-dimensional perspective techniques.

Also, the SCA definition of penguins proper is sable and argent with no other colors. With the yellow markings on the back of the neck, these are Emperor penguins proper, a breed not known to period Europeans and not registerable.

Rose Ella Duvanovicha doch' Sychevna. Device. Per pale argent and sable, two harpies close addorsed counterchanged.

This device is returned because, from any distance, the charges are not recognizable as harpies. Most commenters thought they were hawks, at least one thought they appeared to be parrots. This is a violation of section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions, which requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." Period heraldic depictions of harpies close showed them guardant, often with flowing tresses; both of these would aid in identifying the charges. The submitter might consider such a depiction upon resubmission.

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716

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