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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 10 February 2008, A.S. XLII
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Edward and Asa; Duchess Elzbieta Rurikovskaia, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is the March 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. The last day for commentary on the submissions considered for the March 2008 Letter of Intent is 20 March 2008.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.


Please consider the following submissions for the March 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Brian the Pious (Granite Mountain): NEW BADGE

Per pale wavy Or and sable, annulety throughout counterchanged.

The name was registered October 2007. The badge uses elements of his registered device, Sable, a natural tiger rampant Or marked sable and a bordure wavy Or semy of annulets sable.

Ceridwen ferch Gruffudd (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE

Per chevron gules and azure, a chevron rayonny on the upper edge Or.

The name was registered April 1989.

Jaqueline la Boursiere (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME

The name is French. Jaqueline is a feminine given name found in "An Index to the Given Names in the 1292 Census of Paris," Colm Dubh

( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/paris.html#J ), s.n. Dame Jaqueline la Bordonne. The byname is found on the same source, an occupational byname for "pursemaker"; the masculine form, boursier, is actually the form found in the citation. The client desires a female name, and is most interested first in the meaning of the name ("pursemaker"), and then the language/culture (French).

Rachel Ter Khorenatsi (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Local, October 2007

Argent, a hedgehog rampant contourny sable, on a chief vert two caltraps argent.

This is a lost/missing submission that was never forwarded from the baronial level. Please consider it a new submission for consideration.

Rachel is the client's legal given name. It is also a Biblical name, the wife of Jacob and the mother of Joseph and Benjamin in the Book of Genesis. Ter Khorenatsi is Armenian. Ter is used by Eastern Armenians to show ancestry or lineage, according to "Armenian Last Names," in Armeniapedia.org ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng13/eng13m.html ); Ter Hayr shows that an ancestor was a married parish priest. Movses Khorenatzi (Anglicized as Moses of Khoren) was an Armenian author known as the Father of Armenian Literature, writing the History of Armenia. He is traditionally believed to have lived in the 5th C. AD, although it is speculated he lived as late as the 9th C.

( http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9053902/Moses-Of-Khoren ). His byname is shown with the alternate spelling Khorenatsi in http://www.littlearmenia.com/html/history/detail.asp?id=59 . The construction seems to suggest that an ancestor was not specifically Movses Khorenatzi himself, but rather a person from Khorenatzi/Khoren. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (Armenian). While she will not accept Major changes to the name, she specifically notes that minor adjustments of the byname is fine, but to maintain the spelling of Rachel.

This hedgehog rocks!

Roland Ansbacher (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, Saint James the Greater stant affronty maintaining in his dexter hand a pilgrim's staff and in his sinister hand a rosary proper.

Roland (in this form) is a deceptively hard name to find (well, that's me talkin'). I find Rolandus as an English masculine given name in 1186, 1316, 1428 (Withycombe, 3rd edition, p. 256 s.n. Roland) 1186; Roland(us) is found in "Male first names in the annual accounts of Deventer 1337-1939," Bertus Brokamp, which makes it medieval Dutch ( http://www.deventerburgerscap.nl/db/nieuwesite/studies/voornamen-man-en.htm ). Ansbach is a city southwest of Nuremburg; it grew around the monastery of Onolzbach, which was founded in 748 by the Benedictine Order. The town was later sold to a Franconian branch of the Hohenzollern family in 1331 ( http://www.britannica.com/bps/topic/26725/Ansbach ). The client desires a male name and is most interested in the sound of the name. He will not accept Major changes to the name.

Geesh, I dislike Crown List season! This was a under-the-wire submission, and needs work. I don't consider this an acceptable human affronty. How to blazon the vestments and props is another issue as well. A piece of period art (painting, woodcut) is also a very poor way to represent an heraldic charge, at least one that is as complex as an attempted naturalistic depiction of a human being (handsaws and other artifacts are usually much clearer). I'd ask commenters to check this as though the figure were truly statant affronty and vested in sable and also in "brown pilgrim's robes proper." While I'd tend to having the hands clear of the body, holding the staff and the rosary, neither maintained charge will count for difference.

Thomas Cyriak Bonaventure (Granholme): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, November 2007

Gules, a chevron between a mullet of eight points and a cannon in its carriage, all within a bordure Or.

The name appears in the November 2007 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

The original device submission, Gules, in pale a compass star surmounting an annulet Or and two swords in saltire sable, enflamed Or., was returned for a redraw using proper flames (which would've led to a tincture problem with the sable swords on the gules field). This is a complete redesign. A cannon in its carriage is shown in the Pictorial Dictionary. The carriage needs to be included in the blazon, lest this be a loose cannon...


Thomas d'Revel (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

No documentation was included with this submission. Thomas is the client's legal given name. It is also found as an English masculine given name in "Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England," Talan Gwynek ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng13/eng13m.html ). Revel(l) occurs in 1210 (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 376 s.n. Revel), along with several period spelling variations, and coming from an Old French term for "pride, rebellion, sport". This doesn't suggest that d' is appropriate here. The client desires a male name and is most interested in the meaning of the name (none given).


The following submissions appear in the February 2008 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


This month’s commentary is provided by Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Helena de Argentoune [HdA] and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].


Brandan der Wanderer von Arnswold (Mons Tonitrus): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2007

Per bend azure and vert, a bend raguly on the upper edge and in sinister chief a hawk's head erased argent.

I don't know about <der Wanderer> with the definite article, but just plain <Wanderer> occurs once in my "German Names from Nürnberg, 1497" ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/german/nurnberg1497.html ). [AmC]

Neither Helena nor Teceangl Bach from An Tir found no conflicts with the device. [MMM]


Godfrey of Argyle (Windale): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, August 2007: Quarterly gules and sable, a quadrant and in chief a pair of shackles conjoined by a chaing fesswise Or.

Jost Brandolf von Luck (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Quarterly gules and sable, crusilly cross-crosslet fitchy throughout Or, a badger rampant argent.

The blazon for the strewn charges needs to be fixed: crosslet is the default for crusily, and the crosses are not throughout, but regular. This is "Quarterly gules and sable all crusily fitchy Or". [AmC] This will be reflected in the blazon on the LoI. [MMM]


Ragnarr skinnskrifari í Bládrekafirði (Atenveldt): NAME RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, October 2001


Robert Lyons of Kilkenny (Tir Ysgithr): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME from Robert of Tir Ysgithr

The original name submission, Robert Lyons, was returned by Laurel in February 2007 for conflict with Robert Delion. Adding the locative clears the conflict. Robert is a common masculine given name throughout period, earliest dated to 1071 (Withycombe, 3rd edition, pp. 254-5). de Lyons is dated to 1296 in Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 289, s.n. Lyon, Lyons; Lyons is also the client’s legal surname. Kilkenny is a city in Ireland, founded as a monastic settlement; William the Earl Marshall built the first stone castle on the site, which was completed in 1213

( http://www.kilkenny.ie/eng/About_Kilkenny/History/ ).


Shonna Dennyng (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE: Per bend sinister Or and gules, a trefoil knot and a chief vert.

Typo in the blazon: "knot", not "know". No conflicts found. [AmC, HdA]


Simon de Rouen (Twin Moons): NEW DEVICE: Per bend gules and purpure, in pale three hautbois bendwise within a bordure Or.

The emblazon shows the field to be "per bend sinister", not "per bend." [AmC] And the emblazon is correct (Must. Get. LoP. Out. Before. Estrella.) [MMM]


Tangwistel Corista (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

Valora Tou Ayiva (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Counter-ermine, a pegasus segreant and a bordure dovetailed argent.

Amazingly, I found no conflicts with the arms. [AmC]

The spelling <Ayiva> probably is an attempt to render Greek gamma (which looks sort of like a y) and Greek nu (which looks like a v) into Latin script. [AmC] Further consultation with the client determines that she would like to try and have Valora documented as a period name, rather than using known names such as Valeria or Valerianna. [MMM]


Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

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