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                                                                                                                                                              20 March 2004, A.S. XXXVIII

                                                                                                                                                                                Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Jonathon and Deille and Their Youthful Heirs Cosmo and Ismenia; Lord Seamus McDaid, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings of the New Year from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the March 2004 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry: Please have comments or questions to me, on any armorial matter, by 10 April 2004.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Kingdom Arts and Sciences Collegium, Mons Tonitrus: There will be a small Heraldic Consultation Table run on Saturday of Kingdom Collegium, April 3 (no way as big as Estrella, trust me!). I don’t know how much interest it might attract, considering all the great courses that are being offered over the weekend, but if it just lets us get together a heraldically schmooze, that’s pretty cool, too–maybe a casual discussion on running small consultation tables at local events (tips and pitfalls) would be appropriate.

Lord Seamus, Aten Principal Herald, will be teaching a class on “Guidelines for Local Group Heralds” (Saturday, Noon-1:00 PM), which I’m sure he’d love to see all local heralds attending. I’ll be teaching a class, “Armory 101" for heralds and non-heralds alike (Saturday, 11:00 AM-Noon), with a brief history of the development of armory, how SCA armory follows and departs from real world armory, the basics of armorial design, and a very little bit on the submission process in the SCA College of Arms. Even if you don’t make it to these classes, this Collegium is jam-packed with dozens of interesting lectures and hands-on classes. Try to make it to this one!

Heraldry Hut: My next monthly meeting is Friday, 16 April, beginning at 7:30 PM.

Letter of Acceptances and Returns: Those submissions which appear in the August 2003 Atenveldt Letter of Intent have been acted upon by the College of Arms; the results are at the end of this report. This includes the many submissions taken in at the Consultation Table run at Kingdom Arts and Sciences in Granite Mountain.

Please consider the following submissions for the April 2004 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Brian Sigfridsson von Niedersachsen (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2003

Argent, three bendlets azure each charged with a mullet of six points palewise Or, a bordure counterchanged.

The name was registered July 2003.

The original submission, without the counterchanged bordure, was returned for conflict with Awilda Haeulfdan, Per pale gules and sable, three compass stars in bend sinister Or. Because armory with three or more bendlets is equivalent to armory with a bendy field, this had to be considered as if it were blazoned Bendy argent and azure, in bend sinister three mullets of six point Or. Under this interpretation, there is 1 CD for changing the field. Adding a bordure does clear the conflict with Awilda, although a cursory look through the online Ordinary and in Papworth shows no counterchanged bordure with a field like this or similar to it (bendy sinister, paly, barry); on the other hand, I didn’t find a precedent that might prohibit it.

(The submitter had drawn a virtually non-existent bordure around the field–about the width of a fimbriation line; the design has been redrawn here with a bordure of acceptable width.)

Grigour MacEnelly (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

(fieldless) A dragonfly per pale sable and vert.

The name was registered November 2003.

Seán Codlatach (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, semy of triquetras, a lion dormant contourny sable.

The name is Irish Gaelic. Seán is found as a masculine given name on p. 163, Ó Corráin and Maguire; it is also found under Seán (Seóan) as an Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c1200-c1700) masculine given name found from 1337 through 1602, in “ Index of Names in Irish Annals,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( ). Codlatach is found in Irish-English English-Irish New Edition Easy Reference Dictionary, Roberts Rinehart Publishers, Niwot, CO, 1998; it means “sleepy.” (“Not a morning person doesn’t even begin to describe Seán!). “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names, 3rd Edition,” Sharon L. Krossa ( ) shows descriptive adjective bynames constructed of given name + descriptive adjective, so that this name would translate into English as “Sleepy John.” Krossa notes that “This style of Gaelic name and descriptive adjective byname is appropriate in both Gaelic Scotland and Ireland throughout the Middle Ages and Early Modern period.”

Sorcha inghean Dhara mhic Seachnasaigh and Muirgheal inghean Raghailligh mhic Seachnasaigh (Tir Ysgithr): JOINT BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2002. Per fess azure and vert, a fret and a bordure argent.

Both personal names were registered May 2000.

The original submission, Per fess azure and vert, a fret and a bordure argent, was returned for conflict with Cellach inghean ui Dhubhthaigh, Per pale azure and vert, a fret and a bordure argent. There was one CD for changing the field. Changing the tincture of the bordure gives the second necessary CD.

The following submissions are included in the March 2004 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Aelfwyn Ironhair (Granholme): NAME RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, March 2004

The original name submission, Guilla Ironhair, has been withdrawn from consideration at the lady’s request. It appears on the 30 October 2003 Atenveldt LoI.

Ælfwyn in an undated form of an Anglo-Saxon feminine name found in “Anglo-Saxon Women's Names from Royal Charters,” Marieke van de Dal ( ). The most recent registry of the name is in the form Aelfwyn, to Aelfwyn Huntington, in March 1995. There might be issues with temporal disparity between an Anglo-Saxon given name and a Middle English-styled byname. Ironhair is a constructed byname, following patterns of English nicknames such as Irnefoot (Ironfoot) 1332, Irenbard (Ironbeard) 1316, and Irenherde (Ironhard) 1379 (examples found in “A Study of Middle English Nicknames I. Compounds, Jan Jonsjo). These names could refer to the bearer’s black, coarse hair, or to their strength. The submitter prefers the byname to be spelled in modern English, so people more easily grasp the meaning–here it refers to a woman who uses a curling iron upon her hair. Curling, or “crisping” irons were used in the 13th C. by the men of England to produce tight curls on the forehead and at the nape of the neck (p. 103, Fashions in Hair: The First Five Thousand Years, Richard Corson, Hastings House Publishers, NY, 1965).

Atenveldt, Kingdom of: TRANSFER OF ORDER NAME, “Order of the Madonnas of Ansteorra” to the Kingdom of Ansteorra

The Kingdom of Ansteorra has requested this transfer of this Order name; it was registered to the Kingdom of Atenveldt in April 1982. TRM Jonathon and Deille provide a Letter of Transfer agreeing to this transfer.

Bertrand de Lacy (Mons Tonitrus): NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME “House de Lacy”

Dobin Tir-y-Cwningen (Brymstone): NEW NAME

Dobin is a diminutive of the masculine given name Robert; it is found as a name within its own right as Dobin de Hatton (1203) and Dobin Cusin (122) in Reaney and Wilson, 2nd ed., p. 103, s.n. Dobbin. “A Simple Guide to Constructing 13th Century Welsh Names,” Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( ) demonstrates Robert as a masculine Welsh given name, so the diminutive use should be acceptable with the Welsh locative byname. This article notes that byname based on location simply uses the proper name of a place after the given name. Tir-y-Cwningen, “the coney land,” is 41 acres in Cardiff region of Wales, in the control of the lordship of Whitchurch, 1492; this is found in Cardiff Records, Volume V, Chapter VII, Schedule of Place-Names ( ).

Elizabet Alfinnsdottir von Rhine (Windale): NEW NAME

Elizabet is a feminine given name dated 1400-1449 in “Swedish Feminine Given Names from SMP,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael, ( ).

The patronymic byname is created from elements found in “Nafnasafnið: Icelandic and Heathen names,” Haukur Þorgeirsson ( ). Alf- is a protheme, as is Finn-; however, Finnr (“Finn(s)”) also seems to serve as a deuterotheme. It would seem that a coined masculine name Alfinn would more likely be spelled as Alfinsdottir when made into a patronymic, although Alfinnr would become Alfinnsdottir, according to “A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( ). Alfwin/Ôlfun is shown as a masculine given name in Nordiskt runnamnslexikon (The Dictionary of Norse Runic Names), Lena Peterson ( ); this is the closest I’ve found to Alfinn as a documented name, and Alffwin appears to be a medieval masculine Swedish given name(1501, under Alwin) in “Sveriges Medeltida Personnamn (Swedish Medieval Names)” ( ).

von Rhine “of the Rhine,” would be more accurate either rendered completely into English (of the Rhine) or into German (likely von der Rhein) or as a Sweden construction to match the rest of the name. The submitter is least concerned about having a locative in the name; if it is included, the most accurate translation of it would be appreciated.

Gerardus Christopherus de Burgondia (Mons Tonitrus): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2003

Sable, two swords inverted in saltire surmounted by a bear's head cabossed between two fleurs-de-lys in fess and another in base, all argent and in chief a label dovetailed Or.

The name was registered November 2003.

The original submission, identical in blazon to this was returned for redrawing. “This emblazon is drawn with a very small overall bear's head. As a result, there is a very high degree of overlap between the swords and the bear's head. Because the swords and the small overall bear's head are the same tincture, the high degree of overlap causes the small overall charge to be insufficiently identifiable per RfS VIII.3, which states in pertinent part, "Identifiable elements may be rendered unidentifiable by significant reduction in size, marginal contrast, ... or by being obscured by other elements of the design." The submission has been redrawn in accordance with the College’s guidelines.

Mary Kate O’Malley (Sundragon): NEW DEVICE

Per saltire arrondy vert and sable arrondy, a lozenge argent charged with a wolf’s head cabossed sable.

The tincture of the lozenge was missing (it is argent); Knut found no conflict with either an argent or an Or lozenge. What little comment this generated about a the possibility of an arrondy being considered a complex line (a precedent found in the March 2003 LoAR), and where it could have a charge overlying it because the field is made of two dark tinctures, was that this was a Laurel call; it will be sent up to get the entire College of Arms’ opinion.

Tearlach mac Conchobair (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE

Azure, four claymores inverted interlaced as a fret interlaced by a claymore inverted and a chief Or.

The name resubmission appear in the 25 February 2004 Atenveldt Letter of Intent. The submitter provides a Letter of Permission to conflict with the registered armory of Finbarr Mathgamain mac Conchobair, registered in July 2001, Azure, four claymores inverted interlaced as a fret interlaced by a claymore inverted Or.

The following are returned for further work by the Atenveldt College of Heralds, March 2003:

Christine von Guuten (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, a cat statant gardant and on a chief Or, three crosses formy sable.

The name is German. Christine is the submitter’s legal given name, and it is dated to 1381 as a German feminine given name in “Medieval German Given Names from Silesia,” Talan Gwynek ( ).

HELD for a month pending documentation on the byname.

Elizabet Alfinnsdottir von Rhine (Windale): NEW DEVICE

Sable on a bend sinister Or a vine throughout vert.

Da’ud comments that the default vine is a grape vine, so the type of plant here would have to be specified. However, there is a conflict with Hermann Otto Koehlermann: Sable, a bend sinister Or.; there is a single CD for the addition of the teritary, hence a conflict. [KH]

Helena de San Maten (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale purpure and azure, a pegasus salient and a chief argent.

The submitter’s legal given name is Helen, and she’d like to use Helena as an element of her SCA name. St. Helena (d. 338) was the mother of the Emperor Constantine (Withycombe, 3rd ed., p. 148). It appears as an Italian feminine given name in “Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names,” Arval Benicoeur and Talan Gwynek ( ).

No documentation was found for the byname, nor were several emails posted to the submitter answered

RETURNED for lack of documentation; because there is no name submission to accompany the device submission, it must be returned as well.

Juan Carlos López de San Maten (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per fess argent and sable in pale a bear courant and a wolf courant contourney counterchanged.

The name is Spanish. Juan and Carlos are masculine given names, found in “16th Century Spanish Names,” Elsbeth Anne Roth, ( López is a patronymic, found in the same source, (

No documentation was found for the locative byname, nor were several emails posted to the submitter answered

RETURNED for lack of documentation; because there is no name submission to accompany the device submission, it must be returned as well.

Lilyana ingen Hallmurain Mac Fhlannchaidh (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, a compass star azure fimbriated argent.

Knut replies to my original commentary of “ There is an issue of whether a compass star is too complex to fimbriate (or void). While the default mullet of five points can be fimbriated, a sun has been ruled too complex (too many pointy bits) to fimbriate. And since there is no difference granted between a sun and a compass start (which also has a lot of pointy bits), we can conclude that a compass star is too complex to fimbriate.”: No, you can't. Check out the defining precedent on voiding and fimbriation (Bruce's Precedents under FIMBRIATED and VOIDED CHARGES)--A sun fails this test because funny things happen to the rays in many depictions of a sun. A compass star passes this test for fimbriation just like a mullet of five does. (This is demonstrated in the registration of) Aisline Bertrand de Langres. Name and device. Vert, two cats sejant addorsed reguardant, tails entwined, erminois, in base a compass star sable fimbriated argent. “The compass star meets the guidelines

established by Master Bruce for voiding and fimbriation. Please tell the submitter that the fimbriation should be drawn a little thicker, to more clearly delineate the compass star. (LoAR 11/93, A-ANSTEORRA)”

I’d also mentioned that were the field changed to argent, it would conflict with Aliénor de Charolais: Argent, a pall gules, overall a sun azure. Knut comments that this is clear via RfS X.1. The pall is the sole primary charge. and that an overall charge can never be the primary charge; in addition, there can only be a single group of overall charges. (Glossary of Terms)

Knut comments: If this was correctly drawn, it could legitimately be blazoned as Vert, on a compass star argent another azure or Vert, a compass star argent voided azure. All three describe the same emblazon and they all need to be conflict checked (which he has generously done).

Lind Rachael Fessel of the Falconshield: Vert, on a mullet of six points argent a falcon displayed, wings inverted, azure. Direct conflict, as there is no CD for type only of the tertiary group (compass star vs. falcon) or for the number of points (eight vs. six).

Conner McAuliffe FitzJames: Sable, within a sun throughout argent, eclipsed azure, a goshawk displayed argent. There is a single CD for the field. The "eclipsed" is considered to be the tertiary charge with the goshawk being a heraldically insignificant quaternary charge.

Loren of Blackthorn: (Fieldless) On a compass star elongated to base argent a garden rosebud azure, slipped and leaved vert. There is 1 CD for fieldlessness. There is no second CD if the tertiary's actual primary tincture

is vert. A visual check is needed.

Marie-Simone de Barjavel 'la Fildena: (Fieldless) A compass star of sixteen points argent voided vert.; Richenda Arabella Letellier de Trémont: Per pale azure and purpure, on a compass star argent another vert.; Thomasina MacGregor of Tay: Azure, on a mullet of six points throughout argent a Scottish thistle proper. In these cases, there is 1 CD for the field. There are no CDs provided for type only tincture only of the tertiaries (compass star vs. compass star of sixteen points, a compass star, or a thistle).

RETURNED for multiple conflicts. As there are some issues with the name submission, I am returning this as well and asking the submitter for consideration of spelling alternatives.

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, December 2003 :

Aaron Graves and Alessandra Gabrielli. Joint badge. (Fieldless) A ram statant gules gorged of a ducal coronet Or.

The submitters are each entitled to use a ducal coronet in their armory. The ram was tinctured on the Letter of Intent as gules armed Or. The horns of the ram are a large enough artistic detail so that their tincture could be blazoned (unlike the tincture of the hooves of the ram, which the SCA always leaves entirely to the artist). However, the tincture of the horns of the ram is not so important that it must be blazoned. The submitter did not blazon the horns as Or on the form, so we suspect the submitter would like to leave the tincture of the horns to artist's license, and we have omitted the arming tincture from the blazon.

Aliannsa inghean uí Ríoghbhardáin. Name and device. Per fess azure and vert, in pale a roundel between two natural dolphins naiant in annulo argent.

Submitted as Aliannsa Ó Rioghbhardáin, Aliannsa is the submitter's legal middle name. Bynames were literal in Gaelic in period. Ó Ríoghbhardáin means 'grandson/male descendant of Ríoghbhardán'. As a woman cannot be a grandson or male descendant, Ó Ríoghbhardáin is not registerable with a feminine given name. The corresponding feminine byname would be inghean uí Ríoghbhardáin. We have made this change in order to register this name. We have also added the accent missing from the byname.

Alys Scurrell. Name and device. Purpure, a bat-winged squirrel rampant and on a chief indented Or three acorns purpure.

Amalie zu dem Blumen. Name.

Submitted as Amalie von den Blumen, the submitter requested authenticity for German and allowed minor changes. No evidence was found that von den would be used with Blumen in a byname in period. Instead, the College found that Brechenmacher (p. 165 s.n. Blum) indicates that this surname derived from a house name and dates Haus zem Bluomen to 1393. Bahlow (p. 51 s.n. Blum) dates Nic. zem Blumen 1289 (zem is a contraction of zu dem 'at the'). Lacking evidence that von den Blumen is plausible in period and grammatically correct, we have changed her byname to zu dem Blumen in order to register this name and to meet the submitter's request for authenticity.

Antoine de Breton. Device reblazon. Quarterly gules and purpure, a feather bendwise Or.

The previous blazon, Quarterly gules and purpure, a peacock feather bendwise Or, did not accurately describe the type of feather. Precedent makes it clear that we distinguish between peacock feathers and regular feathers, to the point of having given difference between them, "[A default azure feather vs. a proper peacock plume] "There is one CVD...for the change in type of feather. The peacock quite distinct in shape, with a prominent 'eye'" (LoAR December 1990 p. 11). The feather in this submission is a normally shaped feather.

Antonia d'Alessandria. Device reblazon. Azure, an owl close, maintaining in its talons a tuft of wool pendant therefrom a drop spindle argent.

The previous blazon, Azure, an owl close, holding in its talons a tuft of wool pendant therefrom a drop spindle argent, used the ambiguous blazon term holding. The wool and drop spindle are much smaller and less visually significant than the owl, and are thus maintained charges.

Colyn MacRuairidh of Rathlin. Name.

Submitted as Colyn MacRuairidh of Rathlin Island, no evidence was found that the island of Rathlin was known as Rathlin Island in period. Additionally, no evidence was provided and none was found that a locative byname referring to an island named X Island would take the form of X Island rather than the simpler of X in period. Lacking such evidence, we have dropped the element Island in order to register this name.

Deredere the Midwife. Name and device. Purpure, a harpy statant gardant wings displayed and on a chief argent three ankhs sable.

Donngal de Buchanan. Name.

Submitted as Donnghal  Buchanan, Donnghal is an Early Modern Irish Gaelic (c. 1200 to c. 1700) form of a name found in Old Irish Gaelic (c. 700 to c. 900) and Middle Irish Gaelic (c. 900 to c. 1200) as Donngal. No evidence was found of this name used later than circa 1100. Lacking evidence that this name was in use when Early Modern Irish Gaelic was in use, we have changed this name to the Middle Irish Gaelic form Donngal in order to register this name. Buchanan is a location in Scotland. It is found as a byname in Scots (a language closely related to English) and in Latin in period. Aryanhwy merch Catmael notes that "R&W s.n. Buchanan cite Black for <de Buchanan> c.1270, 1373, <Buchanan> 1506-82." Based on this information, the submitted form of this name combined a Gaelic given name dated no later than circa 1100 with a Scots byname found in that form in the 16th C. As a result, it had one weirdness for combining Gaelic and Scots in a name and one weirdness for a temporal disparity of greater than 300 years. We have changed the byname to a 13th C form in order to remove the weirdness for temporal disparity in order to register this name.

Edane van Tiel. Name change from holding name Etain of Atenveldt and device change. Per bend sable and argent, a daisy and a caltrap counterchanged.

Her previous device, Per fess azure and vert, on a plate a raspberry fesswise gules slipped vert, is retained as a badge.

Frederick Tinamou the Untamed. Badge. Argent, two axes in saltire surmounted by a staff of Aesculapius azure all within a bordure rayonny gules.

Gudrun Bogsveigir. Device. Gules, a wolf's head erased and on a chief argent three broad arrows inverted azure.

Hermione Delamar. Name and device. Per bend argent and azure, a sea-cat gardant azure and a brunette mermaid in her vanity proper.

Maredudd Browderer. Name change from holding name Maredudd of Atenveldt.

Martha Brockbank. Name and device. Per chevron inverted purpure and Or, in chief a badger Or and in base three comets two and one gules.

Nichelle of Whitewolfe. Device change. Argent, an escallop inverted and a bordure rayonny sable.

Her previous device, Per pale gules ermined argent and azure, an escallop inverted argent, is retained as a badge.

Owen Blakshepe. Badge. Argent, in pale a rose branch fesswise vert flowered of three roses gules and a ram statant sable.

The branch was blazoned on the LoI as fesswise reversed. However, there is no clear way to determine which end of any branch is up. Therefore we have simply blazoned the branch as fesswise.

Ragnarr bogsveigir. Name and device. Vert, a wyvern passant wings displayed argent and on a chief rayonny Or an arrow reversed azure.

Good name!

Robin Johnstone. Name and device. Gyronny azure and Or, a garb within an orle gules.

Robin Johnstone. Badge. (Fieldless) A garb gules.

Nice badge!

Shirin al-Adawiya. Device. Per bend gules and purpure, in chief three mullets of eight points and in base a decrescent argent.

Stefan Weisswolf. Name and device. Per pale sable and gules, a wolf rampant and on a chief embattled argent a crescent gules.

Wolf Strongarm. Device. Per pale sable and Or, a death's head counterchanged.

The following are returned by the College of Arms for further work, December 2003:

Ívarr bjarnherðar. Device. Vert, a chevron inverted engrailed to base and in chief a beehive Or.

Conflict with Friðælv Olvesdottir, Vert, a chevron inverted and in chief a roundel Or. There is one CD for changing the type of the secondary charge from a roundel to a beehive. There is no difference for only engrailing the bottom side of the chevron inverted. Per the LoAR of November 1990, p. 15, "[A bend potenty on the lower edge] Conflict with [a plain bend]. Were the ordinary in this proposal potenty on both sides, it would be clear, but the majority of the commenters (and Laurel) did not feel that difference should be granted for this non-period treating of only one (and the less visually important) side of an ordinary. The only period examples of treating one side of an ordinary which were noted was that of embattling the upper edge of an ordinary."

I remain,


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