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Unto Their Royal Majesties Aaron and Alessandra; the Honourable Lord Seamus McDaid, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is the February 2006 internal Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation for names and armory: Please have comments or questions to me concerning this Letter by 28 February 2006.

Most likely there will be an additional Letter of Presentation this month, for submissions taken in at the Estrella War Consultation Table.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be Friday, 24 February, beginning at 7:30 PM. I suspect this is going to be an evening of preparing submisisons packets as a result of the Estrella War Consultation Table.

Letter of Acceptance and Returns: The Atenveldt submissions found in the November 2005 LoAR (those in the July 2005 Atenveldt Letter of Intent) are included at the end of this report.

Please consider the following submissions for the March 2006 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Snorri the Tall (Burning Sands): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, a wolf passant sable fimbriated Or.

The name is Old Norse and English. Snorri is a popular masculine given ON name found in “Viking Names found in the Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( ). Although the client will accept no major changes to the name, there is a period ON term for “tall, impressive,” found in “Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael

( ), inn hávi. Might the local herald ask if the gentleman would be interested in a completely ON name, Snorri inn inn hávi?

Ysabel Glyn Dwr (Burning Sands): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per saltire argent and vert, in pale a tree eradicated proper and a bear statent erect affronty sable.

Ysabell is found (note the double -ll) dated to 1279 in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames, Part Three: The Names H-Z,”

Talan Gwynek ( ), s.n. Isabel. However, with period of forms of the single -l Isabel and Isobel, this slight change of spelling should be reasonable (this particular name has LOADS of spelling alternatives!). The byname is Welsh (English and Welsh is a non-problematic language combination), dated to 1400, meaning “the glen of the waters of the Dee”, in A History of Wales, John Davies (p. 195, Penguin Books, 1990). As Glyndwr was the family name of a Welsh national hero, Owain Glyndwr (c. 1349-1416) , Glyndwr was registered as recently by the CoA as 2005 (and as Glyn Dwr in 2000), so either form seems reasonable.

The following appear in the February 2006 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

This month’s commentary is provided by Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Knute Hvitabjörn [KH], Katherine Throckmorton [KT], and Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy [MMM].

Alysandir Maknakill (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Purpure, on a triangle throughout argent between three butterflies Or, winged argent, a spider purpure.

There appears to be a typo on the LoP; the given name is found as in the header, not as <Alynsadnir>. I found no conflicts. [AmC] Boy, howdy, talk about a dyslexic transposition of letters... [MMM]

Aylwin Wyllowe (Atenveldt): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, September 2005

(Fieldless) A catamount sejant erect contourny erminois atop a chest sable.

The name was registered May 2003.

The original submission, Issuant from within an open chest sable, a demi-catamount contourny erminois., was returned because “a competent heraldic artist would not recreate the emblazon from this blazon or any blazon we could devise, thus this must be returned under RfS VII.7.b.” Closing the chest and putting the catamount on top of it resolves that problem.

Ceallach Colquhoun (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, January 2006

Argent, a dragon sejant affronty and on a base gules a heart argent.

Originally submitted as Cailleach Colquhoun, the name was returned as it appears that Cailleach is not a period feminine name but rather a byname meaning “of the Nuns/Hags/Veiled.” Ceallach is a masculine given name with roughly the same pronunciation, found in 1251, 1278, 1281, 1371, 1376 in Mari's "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Masculine Given Names" ( ). It is registerable with just one step from period practice with the chosen Scots family name Colquhoun, which is found with this spelling in 1308 (Black, pp. 163-4). The client allows no major or minor changes to the name.

I maintain that this is an acceptable sejant posture (given that affronty is a very poor orientation for a sejant beast/monster to be in, for the reasons that Cnute cited in the January LoP); the hindquarters are as “down” as they are in the arms for Brion Anthony Uriel Tarragon, Or, goutté-de-sang, a two-headed dragon sejant affronty, wings displayed, heads addorsed, azure., from which the drawing of this dragon was taken. [MMM]

Elaria filia Robert (Brymstone College): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, January 2006: Vert, two chevronels enhanced and a leaf Or.

I'd specify that the leaf is "in base" just so that it's clear. This should be clear of Wulfnoth Fourman, "Vert, two chevrons and in chief a wolf's head couped contourny Or," with one CD for changing the head to a leaf, and another for the placement. [AmC]

Consider [Gules, three chevronels enhanced and a basset hound Or.] This is returned because it violates the reconstructability requirement. It is unclear which is the primary charge and which the secondary charge. [István Valkai, 09/99, R-Middle] Precedents - Elsbeth, under RECONSTRUCTIBILITY An image of the return at , Item 11. Return for violating RfS VII.7.b. [KH] Istvan’s armory was registered July 2000 as Gules, three chevronels enhanced and a basset hound passant Or., with the hound reduced in size somewhat to connote that the chevonrels are the primary charges (the redesign can be seen at ). Shrinking Elaria’s leaf might help with this, along with a minor reblazon, as suggested by Aryanhwy, demonstrating that the leaf is a secondary charge. [MMM]

Magnus av Nordensköld (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, October 2005

Vert, on a bend sinister between a double-turreted tower and two herring in pale, that in base contourny, argent, four cauldrons palewise sable.

The name was registered October 2005.

The original submission, Vert, on a bend sinister between a double-turreted tower and two herring in pale, that in base inverted contourny, argent, four cauldrons palewise sable., was returned for the use of an inverted, animate charge, the herring in base. The offending herring has been slapped around and instructed to fly (or swim) right.

Marusha Ivoninskoi (Burning Sands): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, a pale raguly argent between a pair of wings Or.

If she doesn't want <Marusha> because it's masculine, she might be interested in <Malusha>, which is found in Paul's dictionary dated to 940 as a diminutive of <Mariia>. I found no conflicts with the arms. [AmC] Lord Oslaf has spoken with the client. She wishes the name “as is” and deesn’t care if it is male in gender (her grandmother called her that name when she was young). [MMM]

The raguly should be bolder. [KH]

Michael of Kilkenny (Atenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, October 2005

Azure, a double-bitted axe argent between three triangles conjoined, one and two, Or, and in base a crescent argent.

The name appears in the 30 August 2005 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

The original submission, Azure, a double-bitted axe argent between three triangles conjoined, one and two, throughout Or, was returned for conflict with Paul O'Flaherty: Azure, three triangles conjoined, one and two, Or. There was a CD for number of primaries. Adding the crescent as a peripheral charge provides the second CD.

Mina Fioravanti (Tir Ysigthr): NEW NAME CHANGE from registered name Killian Quinn and NEW BADGE

Azure, a chamfron within an annulet Or.

The original name was registered January 2001. The new name is Italian. Mina is a feminine given name found in “Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427,” Arval Benicoeur ( ). Fioravanti is an Italian family name found in the same source ( ). The client is most interested in the sound and language/culture of the name. This is interest in having is authentic as late period Italian. She will not accept major changes to the name. If registered, her current name should be retained as an alternate name.

Nikolai Afanasii Zemlin (Atenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, September 2004

Quarterly sable and gules, a dragon segreant erminois.

This is listed as a name and device resubmission, but no info about the name was provided. Is it undocumented? Or is it in submission and this is just a device submission? [AmC] The name was returned in error at the time the device was returned. It is Russian, with all elements found in “A Dictionary of Period Russian Names (and some of their Slavic roots),” Paul Wickenden of Thanet ( ). As a rule, period Russians had one given name. However, Paul Wickenden notes in “Paul Goldschmidt's Dictionary of Russian Names - Grammar” ( ) that some "double" given names are found, the first usually a name of "Christian" origin (and bestowed as the christening or baptismal name), and the second often a "Russian" name from pre-Christian sources. Since Nikolai is a Christian given name (most likely a reference to St. Nicholas, Bishop of Myra), it seems possible for Afanasii to be considered the second given name (Paul doesn't suggest that it comes from a Byzantine saint's name but rather a translation, “immortal,” so I suspect that it might be of this Russian origin.) This would give credence to the double given name Nikolai Afanasii. Zemlia is another masculine given name, modified to its genitive form to show a patronymic relationship between Zemlia and Nikolai. In “Paul Goldschmidt's...Grammar,” a father's given name ended in "-a" or "-ia," will have the basic patronymic ending in "-in" or "-yn," respectively; the spelling might be a little more accurate as Zemlyn.

The arms are clear Armand Dragonetti (reg. 09/2001 via Ansteorra), "Sable, a dragon rampant erminois and a bordure Or," with a CD for the field, and one for the bordure, and it's clear of Gunthar von Drachenschloss (reg. 06/1994 via the West), "Quarterly sable and gules, a dragon segreant within a bordure Or," with a CD for the bordure and one for the tincture of the dragon. I found nothing else close. [AmC]

Sidony Blacke (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per chevron abased sable and gules, a cross of Santiago and a bordure argent.

The name is English. Sidony is undated but is a feminine given name, with related forms as Cedany 1275 (this documented as a surname), Sedaina 1221, Sedania 1221; Sedehanna 1218-19, found in “Feminine Given Names in A Dictionary of English Surnames, Part Three: The Names H-Z,”

Talan Gwynek ( ). Edericke de Blacke is dated to 1275 in Reaney and Wilson, 2nd edition, p. 36, s.n. Black.

The feminine name <Sidonie> is found twice (1509 and 1567) in my "Late Period French Feminine Names" ( While my source modernized the spellings of the given names, I would be amazed if this was not how it was also spelled in the 16th C. So if worse comes to worst, <Sidonie Blacke> is registerable as a French/English combination, without a weirdness. [AmC]

This is clear of Stephen de Huyn, "(Fieldless) A cross of Santiago argent," with a CD for the field and one for the bordure. [AmC]

This isn't per chevron because it doesn't extend above the fess line. It isn't a point pointed because it does reach the fess line. This blurs the distinction between them. Since the field isn't evenly divided into two parts, The tinctures need to have good contrast. Return for violating RfS VII.7.a and VIII.2.b.iii. [KH] The line has been brought up to define this as a true Per chevron division... [MMM]

Sorcha O’Gara (Twin Moons): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, August 2006

Per pale argent and purpure, a triquetra counterchanged.

The name appears in the August 2005 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

Her original submission, Per pale purpure and argent, a triquetra counterchanged., was returned for conflict with Serena della Francesca: Per pale purpure and argent a triquetra and a chief doubly enarched ermined all counterchanged. Switching the tincture of the field and the primary charge (plus the removal of the chief) clears the conflict.

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, November 2005:

Aythan Pengrek. Name and device. Per chevron Or and purpure, two triquetras and a natural leopard's head erased affronty counterchanged.

Catan ingen ui Chuinn. Device. Per chevron azure and argent, two open books and a unicorn passant counterchanged.

Nice device!

Caterina Amiranda della Quercia. Device change (see RETURNS for badge). Per pale sable and argent, a dragonfly within an orle counterchanged.

Her previous device, Per chevron purpure and argent, two thistles Or and an oak tree eradicated proper, is retained as a badge.

Mederic de Castro Araldi. Name and device. Azure, in cross a sword fesswise reversed proper and a sickle inverted argent.

Submitted as Mederic de Châtellerault, the submitter requested a name authentic for 11th C France. The locative Châtellerault is a modern form; the â character does not come into common use until the 18th C. Dauzat and Rostaing, Dictionnaire Étymologique des Noms de Lieux en France s.n. Chateau, gives the Latin de Castro Araldi in 1025. We have changed the name to Mederic de Castro Araldi to partially fulfill his request for authenticity.

Michael Hawkins of Portsmouth. Device. Per bend sinister vert and argent, a sinister hand argent and an anchor sable.

Nikolaus von Erlach. Name.

Nice name!

Voron Gregor'ev syn Tsetseneviskii. Name and device. Gules, in pale a tyger rampant contourny reguardant maintaining a goblet and a chevron inverted Or charged with five beehives gules.

Listed on the LoI as Voron Gregor'ev syn Testseneviskii, the forms and the documentation both show the third generation patronymic as Tsetseneviskii. We have made this change. A charged chevron inverted abased is at least two steps removed from period style, and if it were being considered for the first time, would be returned. However, the size, angle, and placement of the chevron inverted is exactly the same as in his previous submission, returned June 2004. The previous return dealt only the voiding of the charge, and how it could not be done on a chevron inverted abased. The return cited precedent to support this -- all dealing with the voiding. As he has fixed the reason for the previous return, we are giving the submitter the benefit of the doubt and reluctantly registering this. Future submissions of a charged chevron inverted abased will be returned for non-period style unless accompanied by period heraldic examples.

The following submissions were returned by the S.C.A. College of Arms for further work, October 2005:

Alexander of Tyre. Name.

This name is presumptuous of Alexander the Great. In general, the combination of a ruler's name and the land they ruled is protected. Tyre was one of the ancient world's great city-states, and Alexander the Great was its ruler after he conquered it in 332 BC. Therefore, the name Alexander of Tyre is protected.

Caterina Amiranda della Quercia. Badge. (Fieldless) A dragonfly within and conjoined to an annulet sable.

This is being returned as, if registered, this would be her fifth piece of armory. The Administrative Handbook, section I.B, limits individuals to four pieces of armory. This is clear of Mariposa de los Montoyas, Or, a butterfly sable marked Or within an annulet sable. There is a CD for fieldlessness and another for the difference between a butterfly and dragonfly.

Fáelán Ruádhán. Name and device. Per pale Or and gules, a wolf sejant ululant counterchanged and a bordure indented sable.

This name consists of two given names. Although Ruadh is documented as a byname, the only documentation included or found for Ruádhán is as a given name. The submitter desires a name meaning "Faelan the Red". We would change this name to Fáelán Ruád, a Middle Irish form with the appropriate meaning, but this is an aural conflict with Faoileann Ruadh, registered November 1999. We would change the byname to a patronymic, but the submitter will not accept major changes. We feel that such a change, which would change the sound, appearance, and intended meaning of the name, would be against the submitter's wishes. In resubmitting, we suggest that the submitter add a patronymic to Fáelán Ruád; this would clear the conflict. As the submitter does not allow the creation of a holding name, the device must also be returned.

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

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