Kingdom of Atenveldt
Heraldic Submissions Page
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Unto Their Royal Majesties Cosmo Craven and Elzbieta; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come, Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!
This is the December 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. Where there any submissions this month, know that I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at brickbat@nexiliscom.com or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! Groups ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atenveldt_Submissions_Commentary/ ) and post there. (Commentary is often posted in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!) Please have commentary to me for the submissions under consideration for the December 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent by 15 December 2011. Thanks!
Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 16 December. For more information, directions, etc., please contact me at your convenience ( brickbat@nexiliscom.com ).
Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well (i.e., within one month of receiving a submissions packet). If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month (yes, that's important!) of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.
Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.
College of Arms Actions: Atenveldt registrations and returns made at the September and October 2011 Laurel meetings (submissions found on the June and July 2011 Atenveldt LoIs) are found at the end of this report.
Please consider the following submissions for the December 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:
Robert Redbowe (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME The name is English. Robert is a masculine given name used from the Conquest on (The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd Ed., p. 254 s.n. Robert); it is also the client's legal given name. Redbowe is a constructed byname. It could be considered a byname based on an inn sign. Margaret Makaffe's “Comparison of Inn/Shop/House names found London 1473-1600 with those found in the ten shires surrounding London in 1636” (http://www.contrib.andrew.cmu.edu/~grm/signs-1485-1636.html) demonstrated a pattern of 'color + object' whieh includes Blue Garland, Green Hill and Red Harrow. The OED s.n. “red,” dates this spelling as early as c. 1325. Under “bow,” it dates this spelling as in an archer's weapon as early as 1597; earlier spelling have an 'e' on the end. The byname could also be considered as a double byname (Red Bowe). The MED demonstrates Willelmus Red (1176) and Radulfus red (c. 1200). Under Bow, Bowe, Bough, Henry atte Bowe is dated 1298, Richard atte Bowe 1306 in Reaney and Wilson. The client desires a male name and will not accetp Major or Minor changes to the name.
Twin Moons, Barony of: BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, April 2010 Azure, on a pall iinverted bretessed between in chief two increscents argent a flanged mace azure. The name of the Barony was registered April 1993. (The secondary charges seen here are increscents, not moons in their plentitude.) The original submission, Azure, on a pall inverted bretessed nowed of a triangle inverted between in chief two increscents argent, a flanged mace azure., was returned because the tertiary charge was unidentifiable. “Guesses ranged from an oar to a swizzle stick. Section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their emblazon." The LoAR also noted that “The Barony may wish to know that the prominent triangle nowing present in this submission is not present in any of their registered armory, contrary to the images shown on the baronial award gallery webpage.” Both issues have been resolved. The following submissions appear in the November 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent: This month's commentary was provided by Aryanhwy merch Catmael [AmC], Gunnvör silfrahárr [Gs], Helena de Argentoune [HdA], and Marta [MMM].
Dominic Coltbayne (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale vert and sable, a chamfronn argent charged with a cross formy sable, a bordure embattled argent. I
looked extensively, and the spellings I found never included the
terminal <-e>. This surname is probably from a descriptive
byname <colte
bain>, "young horse's leg", cp. <Longbain>.
Hopkyn Blaidd Du (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME, DEVICE and BADGE (device) Sable, a chevron Or charged with three crosses formy sable and in chief a vol Or charged with a cross formy sable. (badge) (Fieldless) A winged card-pique per pale sable and gules. There was some concern of using the crosses formy on both the chevron and the vol. While odd, I couldn't quite see the reason to return them at this level; in this design, they are both tertiary charge bypes as well. It was also noted that the chevron was drawn too low (below the midpoint of the field) and as of the next Laurel meeting, this will be grounds for return; the submission was recdrawn, with the chevron crossing the center of the field to (hopefully) avoid such a return.
Isabella Ponce (Brymstone): NEW NAME CHANGE, to Isabella Çapata de la Mar As a name change, this should've been listed under the NEW name, not the OLD name. [AmC]
Kiera ferch Dafydd (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME AND DEVICE: Per fess argent and checky purpure and argent, in chief a dragon segreant coward sable. RfS
III.1.a: "Each phrase must be grammatically correct according to
the usage of a single language." Here we have a Gaelic given
name <Kiera> and a Welsh patronymic <ferch Dafydd>, so we
seem OK on that front.
Matthew of the Forest (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Lozengy gules and sable, on a bend Or three dragons segreant to sinister gules, winged and bellied vert. The name is English. The given name was introduced into England by the Normans. There are a number of spelling variations throughout period for the name, although Matthew is the spelling usuallay associated with the Biblical Evangelist (Withycombe, 3rd edition, pp. 231-214 s.n. Matthew). If the client would like to consider similar “foresty”-type bynames, they include de Foresta 1204, ate Forest 1300, del fforest 1354, all indicating a person living in or working in the forest (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 174 s.n. Forrest). Similar names include Forester 1183, le Forester 1240, le Forestier 1322, “an officer in charge of a forest” (R&N p. 174 s.n. Forester). Lozengy, being a division into more than four parts, needs to have good contrast between the parts. Gules and sable is not good contrast, so this is not registerable.Additionally, the dragons are "palewise" and need to be blazoned as such. [AmC] NAME:
Lingua Anglica probably makes <of the Forest> allowable by way
of <de Foresta> 1204, <del fforest> 1354 (Reaney and
Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 174 s.n. Forrest). Consider possible
conflicts: Matthew Forrester and Mattheus Forrestor were registered within six months of one another, and there is no indication on the respective LoARs that there was an issue with potential conflict or one(Mattheus) giving the other (Matthew) permission to conflict. I'm assuming that there is sufficient sound and meaning difference (locative vs. occupational) in the bynames to avoid conflict. [MMM]
The
dragons can also be read as passant, if we assume them to be charged
on the bend in the medieval fashion, so we have to specify they're
"palewise". Reblazon: Lozengy gules and sable, on a bend
Or three dragons palewise contourny segreant gules, winged and
bellied vert. Gules + sable + Or + vert + bend + dragons = 6, so okay
by rule of thumb.
Petronius Lupa (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess sable and azure, a wolf sejant ululant and in dexter chief a round argent. From the documentation, I am assuming that the actual name submitted is supposed to be <Petronia Lupa>, not "Petronius" as shown. [Gs] No, the name submission is Petronius, so the gender has to be corrected. [MMM] Typo in the blazon: "roundel". The use of ululant is a SFPP. This is clear of Morgwen Niger (reg. 08/ 1992 via Atenveldt), "Per bend sinister sable and azure, a fox sejant guardant and in dexter chief a garden rosebud slipped argent," with a CD for the field and one for the type of secondary. Amazingly, I didn't find any other examples of this particular wolf-howling-at-the-moon motif. [AmC] Holy poo! I can't find a conflict for this one!!!!! Let's hear it for finding holes!!! [HdA] Wolves howling at moons or moon-like charges is so cliché... and so very modern. One SFPP for the wolf ululant: "While we allow wolves and foxes to be <ululant>, the head posture is an SCA invention. It is possible that had the head posture been introduced today we would not allow it. Allowing ululant wolves is a step beyond period practice..." [Andela Romier, LOAR 12/2000, http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2000/12/00-12lar.html]
Ulrich of Dresden (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Azure, in pale two double-bladed axes in saltire and a unicorn couchant argent, armed, mane and tailed Or. The
spelling <Dresden> is far and away the most common. I found
names with <in Dresden>; <de Dresden>; <von Dresden>
(early ones are the margrave); <zeú Dresden>, <zeu
Dresden>, <czu Dresden>. Any of these could be used with
Linga Anglica to get the submitted form. In the 11/2009 LoAR: "The submitter has documented that the unicorn without a beard, as seen in this submission, is a standard period depiction of unicorns in Germany. Unicorns, in the future, may be registered either with or without beards. The requirement for cloven hooves and tufts of fur on the legs remains. We will not distinguish between beardless and bearded unicorns in our blazon." [Lachlan of Cromarty, Caid-A] [AmC]
The
client has been contacted and does prefer von
to of.
He also prefers a beardless unicorn. [MMM]
Valdisa Alarsdottir(Sundragon): NEW NAME AND DEVICE: Per bend vert and sable, a dragonfly and a lotus flower in profile argent. The
proposed justification for the spelling of the given name does not
work. Old Norse has pet forms for a lot of names. This does not
justify using the byname to create some backformation of the full
name. <Dísa> is to <Valdís> as <Lizzy> is to
<Elizabeth>. You could not use this latter example to postulate
<Elizzybeth>. The name looks reasonable to me as submitted; n o conflicts found. [AmC] The client has been contacted, and while she prefers Valdisa, she's amenable to Valdís Álarsdóttir. (We'll all call her Dísa around the campfire. :) [MMM]
William mac Coluim (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, September 2011: Sable, in cross three compass stars and a phoenix, a bordure rayonny argent. The name was registered September 2011. This device was computer color-corrected on the Letter of Intent (I don't believe that it was, but it was only one of several issues,) which has been cause for return since the March 2009 Laurel meetings; and it was also returned for redraw of the bordure, as there were far too many repeats of the rayonny, and some look too close to the long-forbidden "wavy-crested". It was suggested that the compass stars be drawn the better match the size of the phoenix in the group. This has all be taken into account, using a kind scribe's drawing of the redesign as a template. The use of compass stars is one step from period practice.
Wolff Schultz (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Lozengy gules and sable, a double-headed eagle Or. Bahlow s.n. Schul(t)ze says that this is "contracted from <Schulthei{sz}> (village mayor), as early as about 1400. Occurrences are given under Scholz". S.n. Scholz, he says "the forms <Schultes>, <Scholtes> occurred as early as 1300, <Schulcz> and <Scholcz> as early as 1400." I'm really surprised thatI don't have any examples of these contracted forms, in any variant I can think to search, in my data. But with the dated citation of <Schulcz> in Bahlow, <Wolff Schulcz> is nicely documented and would meet his authenticity request. There is a question of presumption, though; if this were combined with a locative byname, then it would *definitely* be presumptuous, but as it is, this may be acceptable; I'd certainly send it forward with a note about the possible issue, so that the commenters can weigh in. [AmC] Apparently
this surname is a contraction or short form from the occupational
byname <schulheize>, tax collector; village headman, alderman.
Latinized names have <Scultetus> representing some vernacular
form. [Gs]
Gunnvor sent along, many, many period forms of this name, vernacular
and Latinized, and <Bartholdus Hieronymus Schultz>,
<Bartholomäus Schultz> , a German astronomer, is dated to 1540
(Schultz; Thomas, Joseph. Universal
Pronouncing Dictionary of Biography and Mythology.
Vol. 2. Philadelphia: J. B. Lippincott and Co. 1870); he died in
1614.
SOURCES The client was consulted and asked if the field could still be sable and gules if the division were of larger partitions, like Quarterly. A little embellishment like that, and it appears that it would be clear as Quarterly gules and sable, a double-headed eagle within an orle Or. This is the device submission that will be sent on. (woohoo!)
The following submissions were held or returned for further work, November 2011:
Aiedel O'hEachthigheirn (Twin Moons): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION (via the Outlands) Azure, chape ploye in pale a heart and a phoenix argent. HELD for name clarification.
Seelos Massmann (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE Per pale sable and argent, anvils throughout, on a bend sinister four reremice palewise all counterchanged. HELD for name clarification, possible device redesign.
The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, September 2011: Gepa of Sundragon. Badge. (Fieldless) A bull's head cabossed per pale azure and argent. Jakob inn rammi. Device. Per bend gules and sable, a sword argent winged Or. This device does not conflict with the badge of Erik of Rockwell, (Fieldless) A sword inverted proper, bat-winged Or. While we do not grant difference between bat's wings and bird's wings, there is a CD for the change of field, and another CD for the orientation of the sword. Lillian Fhionn. Name (see RETURNS for device). Submitted as Lillian Fionn, Gaelic descriptive bynames must be lenited for feminine names. Therefore, we have changed the byname to Fhionn, in order to register it. The submitter may want to know that another solution would be to change the name to the altogether English Lillian Finn, as Finn is found as a late period English family name. Lora of the Four Paws. Device. Argent, a dog statant contourny defamed gules and in chief four pawprints in fess sable. The use of pawprints is a step from period practice. Máire Grame of Lewis. Reblazon of device. Per pale sable and purpure, on a pale argent three roses conjoined in pale gules slipped and leaved vert. Blazoned when registered in June 2010 as Per pale sable and purpure, on a pale argent a vine vert flowered of three roses gules, the roses are quite visually dominant. Marit Horn. Reblazon of device. Azure, a bend sinister between two spoons palewise argent and a cornucopia effluent Or. Blazoned when registered in February 1997 as Azure, a bend sinister between two spoons in fess argent and a cornucopia Or, we are clarifying the attribute of the cornucopia. Mathias MacCooel. Name (see RETURNS for device). Submitted as Mathias MacCumhail, evidence was not presented nor could any be found that Mac Cumhail was used in non-legendary contexts. The Anglicized Mac Cooel or Mac Coole, found in Woulfe, are forms of the Gaelic Mac Dhubhgaill. The submitter allowed the change to MacCooel if necessary to register the name; we have made that change in order to do so. Sean South. Name change from Sean of the South. Sean can be found as an Anglicized Irish name as well as in Gaelic. Anglicized Irish and English can be combined without a step from period practice. His previous name, Sean of the South, is retained as an alternate name. Sean South and Elaria filia Robert. Joint badge. Quarterly vert and Or, a pale counterchanged. The submitters have permission to conflict with the device of Jeanne Marie Lacroix, Party of six vert and Or. Sean South and Elaria filia Robert. Joint badge. Per saltire vert and Or, two ermine spots Or. Starri rauðr Bjarnarson. Name (see RETURNS for device). Submitted as Starri Rauða Bj{o,}rnsson, the bynames are incorrectly formed. Rauða is the form a prepended byname takes, as in Rauða-Starri. The postpended version is rauðr or inn rauði. The patronymic uses an incorrect genitive form; the standard Old Norse genitive of Bj{o,}rn is Bjarnar, making the byname Bjarnarson. Later, the genitive becomes Biorn, making Biornsson. But no evidence has been found that the later genitive was used in the time represented by standardized Old Norse spellings like Bj{o,}rn. As the submitter indicated on the forms that language and culture (unspecified), we are changing this to the entirely Old Norse Starri rauðr Bjarnarson. Starri rauðr Bjarnarson and Valdís Eiríksdóttir. Joint badge. Per pale argent and sable, a bear rampant counterchanged and in dexter chief a mullet of four points sable. Tiberius Octavius Bellicianus. Name and device. Per chevron inverted Or and gules, in chief a manta ray bendwise sable. Based on the presentation of evidence of period citations in Europe of manta rays, the use of a manta ray is no longer a step from period practice. The use of the posture tergiant is a step from period practice for most fish, but it is the default posture for flat fish such as skates and rays. Valdís Eiríksdóttir. Name. Submitted as Valdís Eiriksdóttir, the documented form of the patronym has an accent over the second i. As we require accents to be consistently written or omitted, we must add it to register the name. Alternately, all accents could be dropped. William mac Coluim. Name (see RETURNS for device). William is the submitter's legal name. Barring that allowance, there would be a step from period practice for combining English and Gaelic.
The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, September 2011:
Aurelia Nomadik{e-}. Badge. Gules, a Roman helmet within an annulet Or. This badge was withdrawn by the submitter. Lillian Fhionn. Device. Quarterly purpure and sable, a lily argent slipped and leaved vert, a bordure argent. This device is returned for conflict with the device of Francesco Alberti, Pean, a lily, slipped and leaved, within a bordure argent. There is a single CD for the change of field. If the submitter wishes to use a lily upon resubmission, please advise her to draw a less naturalistic and more heraldic one. Mathias MacCooel. Device. Per bend sinister gules and sable, three hearts in bend sinister between two tygers combatant in bend argent. This device is returned for blurring the distinction between primary and secondary charges. The way the submitted emblazon is drawn, it is not clear whether this is a group of three primary charges between two secondary charges, or a single group of five primary charges in saltire, and so it must be returned. Please advise the submitter that if the hearts are intended to be the primary charge group then they should be drawn larger and the tygers smaller. Seraphina Jameson. Device. Vert, an open book Or charged with an ounce dormant guardant sable, an orle Or. This device is returned for redraw, for violating section VII.7.a of the Rules for Submissions which requires that "Elements must be recognizable solely from their appearance." Commenters had a difficult time identifying the ounce; drawing it larger and with internal detailing would help. This depiction of a book also is problematic, and cause for return. Section VIII.1.c.i of the Rules for Submissions states "Charges may only be drawn in perspective if they were so depicted in period armory." Please advise the submitter to draw the book open flat upon resubmission. Starri rauðr Bjarnarson. Device. Argent, two chevronels azure between a mullet of four points and a bear's head erased contourny sable. This device is returned for using wax-based crayon or pencil, which has been cause for return since the May 2011 Laurel meetings. William mac Coluim. Device. Sable, in cross three compass stars and a phoenix, a bordure rayonny argent. This device is returned for multiple reasons. This device was computer color-corrected on the Letter of Intent, which has been cause for return since the March 2009 Laurel meetings. This device is also returned for redraw of the bordure. There are far too many repeats of the rayonny, and some look too close to the long-forbidden "wavy-crested". Please advise the submitter to draw the compass stars larger upon resubmission, to better match the size of the phoenix in the group. There is a step from period practice for the use of compass stars.
The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, October 2011:
Clarice Alienor Neep. Name change from Clarice Alienor Aldinoch. The information provided on the forms and the Letter of Intent contradicted one another. The forms say that the submitter wanted authenticity for 12th-13th century England. That request was not summarized on the Letter of Intent, which instead said she preferred the spelling Neep to the authenticity request. Communication with the submitter indicated that the Letter of Intent was correct. We note that the submitted name is authentic for the late 16th century but not for an earlier time. Elmet was able to date the byname de Neap' to 1284 in (Fasti Ecclesiae Anglicanae 1066-1300: volume 4: Salisbury). This would presumably represent de Neape or de Neap; this makes the likely 13th century form as Clarice Alienor de Neape. Her previous name, Clarice Alienor Aldinoch, is retained as an alternate name. Curlew Drogheala. Reblazon of device. Per fess argent and vert, an Eskimo curlew close affronty, head to sinister, proper perched upon two rocks issuant from base Or. Blazoned when registered in August 1980 as Per fess argent and vert, a doebird curlew [Phaeopus borealis] close affrontée, head to sinister, proper perched upon two rocks issuant from base Or, we are clarifying the type of bird while removing the Linnaean classification. An Eskimo curlew proper is primarily brown. Curlew Drogheala. Device change. Argent, in pale a raven perched upon and pecking a single-horned anvil reversed sable, a base rayonny gules. The posture pecking is a variant of close, and is a period posture for ravens. His previous device, Per fess argent and vert, an Eskimo curlew close affronty, head to sinister, proper perched upon two rocks issuant from base Or, is retained as a badge. Ellen Redbootes. Name. Appearing on the Letter of Intent as Ellen Redboots, the forms have Ellen Redbootes. Luckily for the submitter, commenters had provided information that the spelling bootes was in use before 1600. Therefore, we can restore the byname to the originally submitted spelling without pending it for further commentary. Günter Haller. Device. Sable, on a cross formy throughout gules fimbriated between four wolves passant a wolf passant, a bordure Or. Please advise the submitter to draw the fimbriation more boldly. Joscelin de Lyons. Blazon correction. Per pall inverted purpure, Or ermined gules, and sable, two lions addorsed reguardant Or and purpure and a joscelyn wreathed Or and gules, belled argent. Blazoned when registered in July 2009 as Per pall inverted purpure, Or ermined gules, and sable, two lions addorsed Or and purpure and a joscelyn wreathed Or and gules, belled argent, the fact that the lions were reguardant was accidentally omitted from the blazon. Otto Christoph von Frankenau. Name and device. Lozengy gules and argent, a goat clymant sable. Submitted as Otto Christoph Von Frankenau, the submitter requested authenticity for 13th-14th century Germany, but allowed only minor changes. We do not have evidence for the form the locative would have taken in that time (the submitted spelling is documented only for around 1600), and thus cannot meet the submitter's request. We would drop that element in order to meet that request, but the submitter allows minor changes only. No evidence was presented that von was ever capitalized in period German, therefore we have made it lowercase in order to register the name. This device in not in conflict with the badge of Manus Branduff of Ardmore, (Fieldless) A ram rampant sable maintaining in its dexter hoof a flanged mace argent handled of wood proper and in its sinister hoof a goblet Or. There is one CD for the field; as goats and rams were generally seen as separate heraldic charges in period regardless of their similarities, there is a CD for type of beast. Sarah Axford. Name. Nice English name from 1200 on! Sheherezon Sequora Maximilian. Reblazon of device. Argent, a ladybug gules spotted Or headed sable. Registered in June 1975 as Argent, a ladybug [Coccinella novemnotata] proper, we are clarifying the tincture of the ladybug. Valdís Eiríksdóttir. Device. Argent, a horse's head couped sable and in canton a mullet of four points gules. This device is not in conflict with the device of Eoin MacGriogair, Argent, a chess knight sable crined gules. There is a CD for the difference between the default double-headed chess knight and a horse's head, and another CD for adding the mullet.
The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, October 2011: None.
Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy c/o Linda Miku 2527 East 3rd Street Tucson AZ 85716 atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com
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