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20 December 2002, A.S. XXXVII

Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Francois la Flamme, Laurel King of Arms; Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, Pelican Queen of Arms; Zenobia Naphtali, Wreath Queen of Arms; and the commenting Members of the College of Arms,

Greetings of the Season from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

For the record (and in case you're keeping score), there was no November 2002 Letter of Intent from the Kingdom of Atenveldt.

Please note the following correction on the 20 August 2002 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

1. Adam Carlos Diaz de Castile: NEW NAME

The given name ought to be Adán. This masculine given name is found in Apellidos Castellano-Leoneses, R.P. Gonzalo Diez Melcon, p. 236, and it dates to 1233.

Please note the following corrections on the 20 October 2002 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

4. Alizaunde Thorgeirrson: NEW NAME (also appears in Item 5, for her device)

The byname should be Thorgiersson, following the guidelines of -rr shifting to -rs- when a patronymic ending is added, as seen in"A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names," Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( ).

24. Ulfgar Thegnson: NEW BADGE (jointly held with Ragnar Thegnson)

Per bend sinister wavy argent and azure, two bearded axes crossed in saltire sable and three Thor's hammers Or.

This badge is to be held jointly with Ragnar Gunnarsson (his name submission is Item 16. on that Letter of Intent). The gentles are friends, not brothers!

The Atenveldt College of Heralds requests the consideration and registration of the following names and armory with the College of Arms. Unless specifically stated, the submitter will accept spelling and grammar corrections; assistance in these areas is appreciated.

1. Alamanda de Claret: NEW NAME

The name is Catalan. Alamanda is found in the Sala Family Archives ( ); Alamanda, daughter and heiress of the late Guillermus de Podiolo, transfers a number of items as dowry in 1359. The Latin translation shows the name as Alamande Charters which show this name are numbered 48, 49, 96 and 104. A copy of this documentation is forwarded to Laurel.

No documentation was provided for de Claret, but Claret appears to be a Catalan family name (a 19th C. saint, Anthony Claret, was born in Salient, Catalonia); I hope that this element can be verified within period. It seems that the name, since I wasn't able to verify Claret as a placename, would be more accurate as Alamanda Claret.

2. Alan of Atenveldt: CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME to Tighearnán Dugrais, from Laurel, July 2002

The original submission, Tiarnán del Sarto, was returned for the Irish Gaelic Tiarnán with the Italian del Sarto. "Mixing Anglicized Irish and Italian in a single name was ruled unregisterable in April 2000. As mixing Irish Gaelic and Italian in a single name is less likely than mixing Anglicized Irish and Italian, this combination is similarly unregisterable. Additionally, Tiarnán is a Modern Irish Gaelic (c. 1700 to present) form, and so is not registerable. Registerable forms include the Middle Irish (c. 900 to c. 1200) Tigernán and the Early Modern Gaelic (c. 1200-c. 1700) Tighearnán found in Ó Corráin and Maguire (s.n. Tigernán)."

The name is Irish Gaelic and French. Tighearnán is found on p. 170 of Ó Corráin and Maguire.

Dugrais is a French family name, originally du Grais, in Dauzat, p. 219.

The quick 'n' dirty language mix table shows a Gaelic and French name to be a weirdness, but not unregisterable. The submitter will accept changes and corrections, to maintain the sound of the name elements.

3. Cadogan map Cado: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2002

Sable, on a plate a wolf statant gules and on a chief argent four flames gules.

The name was registered (as a name change) in July 2002.

The original submission, Sable, on a plate a wolf statant gules and on a chief argent three flames gules., was returned for conflict with Cartismandua Natione Veniconum, Sable, on a plate a hedgehog statant gules, on a chief argent three hedgehogs statant gules. "This armory does not qualify for RfS X.4.j.ii because it is not a simple case as defined by the subsections of that rule: both the primary and peripheral charges are themselves charged. Therefore there is no difference for changing the type only of either of the two groups of tertiary charges: the tertiary group consisting of the charge on the plate or the tertiary group consisting of the charges on the chief."

The submitter has changed the number of flames from three to four to gain 1 CD (for difference in type and number of charges); additionally, the lady Cartismandua has provided a Letter of Permission to Conflict with her registered armory, which permits Cadogan's submission to be only a single CD from her armory; a copy of this letter is forwarded to Laurel.

4. Caterina Amiranda della Quercia: BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2002

(fieldless) A demi-dragon contorny sable issuant from a tankard reversed argent.

The name was registered March 1999.

The original submission, (Fieldless) A tankard argent., was returned for conflict with Giles MacManus, Per bend sinister sable and gules, a tankard argent. There is only one CD, for fieldlessness. The addition of the demi-dragon, as a sustained charge (equal in visual weight to the tankard) should provide the second CD.

5. Conall mac Rónáin: NEW DEVICE

Per pall vert, argent and sable, in pale a torque argent and a stag's head cabossed counterchanged.

The name was registered July 2002.

6. Garrett Fitzpatrick: NEW NAME

The name is Irish. Garrett is found under Gearóid, p. 22, Patrick Woulfe, Irish Names for Children (also, p. 48, Woulfe, Sloinnte Gaedheal is Gall: Irish Names and Surnames); it has been registered as a given name as recently as August 2001.

Fitzpatrick is documented on p. 91 of the latter work. The submitter will accept no changes to the name, nor will he accept a holding name.

7. Garrett Fitzpatrick: NEW DEVICE

Vert, a chevron between three cats herissony argent.

8. Gráinne inghean uí Shéamuis: NEW NAME

The name is Irish Gaelic. Gráinne is found as a feminine given name on p. 114 of Ó Corráin and Maguire.

Séamus is found as a masculine given name in "Index of Names in Irish Annals: Séamus," Mari Elspeth nic Bryan ( ), with the spelling modified to put it in the genitive case. (Assistance in documenting these names and spellings was provided by the Academy of Saint Gabriel; the letter is copied to Laurel).

inghean uí demonstrates a clan affiliation of the submitter, rather than an immediate daughter-father relationship, so the name means "Gráinne daughter of a male descendant of James"; this follows guidelines in "Quick and Easy Gaelic Names," 3rd Edition, Sharon L. Krossa ( ).

9. Jacquelin of Normandy: BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, October 1999 (for House of Stone's Rest)

Purpure, a sword inverted proper and in chief a quill pen fesswise Or.

The name was registered August 1989; the household name was registered October 1998.

The original submission, Purpure, in pale a quill pen fesswise Or and a sword inverted proper., was returned for redrawing; "as drawn there is no blazon that would reproduce the emblazon. If blazoned as above, the relative position of the charges is not reproduced, and it blazoned with the quill pen in chief, the fact that these were co-primaries would not be evident." Further inquiry to Laurel at the time suggested that the sword needed to be drawn larger. That has been done in the resubmission.

10. Katherine Rhys: NEW NAME

The name is Welsh. Katherine as a feminine Welsh given name is found in "Women's Names in the First Half of 16th Century Wales (with particular attention to the surnames of married women)," Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( ).

Rhys is an unmarked patronymic found in "A Simple Guide to Constructing 16th Century Welsh Names (in English Contexts)," Tangwystyl verch Morgant Glasvryn ( ).

11. Katherine Rhys: NEW DEVICE

Azure, on a bend between two quadrants argent, three crosses couped azure.

The quadrant is a period astronomical tool that measures elevation from the horizon.

12. Lí Ban ingen uí Dhuinnín: NEW DEVICE

Purpure, in pale a sheaf of three arrows inverted and a unicorn argent, a bordure argent semy of trefoils vert.

The name was registered July 2000.

13. Robert de Zwijger van Limburg: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 1995

Argent, a bend sinister cotised vert between a compass rose and a grenade sable, enflamed proper.

The name was registered June 1995.

The original submission was identical in blazon to this, but it was returned by Laurel for redrawing, as the compass rose was not drawn as such, but rather a compass star charged with another.

14. Sean of the South: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, August 2002

Quarterly Or and vert, two crosses bottony Or.

The name was registered April 2000.

The submitter's original device, Quarterly vert and or, two crosses bottony Or, was returned for conflict with Robert Fagan of Blackstoke, Quarterly per fess indented sable and Or, two crosses crosslet fitchy Or. There is one CD for changing the field. "There is not a CD between a cross crosslet fitchy and a cross bottony" (LoAR December 1999). This is a simple flip of the original design, which give 1 CD for the field and 1 CD for orientation of the crosses on the field. However, since the crosses are "forced" into the vert quarters of the field, such a move is not allowed a CD. As a result, this is still in conflict with Robert's armory, with only 1 CD for the field. Considering this, it would appear that even if Sean tried Per saltire Or and vert, two crosses bottony Or., or Per saltire vert and Or, two crosses bottony Or., this conflict would persist, with only 1 CD for the field, in spite of difference in tincture, line of division and complex line of division used.

The submitter wishes to present this new design to the College of Arms for commentary concerning this issue, in the hope that he can register a very simple device.

15. Ulbrecht vom Wald: NEW NAME

The name is German. Ulbricht is found as an old Germanic name on p. 11 of Die Deutshen Personennamen, Max Gottschald, Wlater de Gruyter and Company, Berlin, 1955. Considering more "modern," period names like Albrecht and Olbrecht, found in"Medieval German Given Names from Silesia," Talan Gwynek ( ), this slight spelling change doesn't seem too much of a diversion from documented forms.

vom Wald, "of the forest" (this is a contraction of von dem Wald, and the one concern is that the contraction might be a post-period practice). The submitter will accept changes as necessary.

16. Ulbrecht vom Wald: NEW DEVICE

Purpure, on a lozenge Or a tree eradicated vert.

This letter contains 5 new names, 5 new devices, 3 device resubmissions, 2 badge resubmission, and 1 holding name change. This is a total of 16 items, 10 of them new. A check to cover fees will be sent separately.

I remain,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street; Tucson AZ 85716

Commonly-Cited References:

Bahlow, Hans. Deutsches Namenlexicon. 1967.

Black, George F. The Surnames of Scotland.

MacLysaght, E. The Surnames of Ireland. Dublin, Irish Academic Press, 1991.

Ó Corráin, Donnchadh and Fidelma Maguire. Irish Names.

Reaney, P.H. and R. M. Wilson. A Dictionary of English Surnames, 2nd Edition, 1976, reprinted 1979.

Withycombe, E.G., The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd Edition. London, Oxford University Press, 1977.

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