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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 29 October 2014, A.S. XLIX
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Cosmo Craven and Elzbieta; Lord Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!



This is the November 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent (the October LoI). Please have commentary to me by 15 November 2014.


Heraldry Hut: Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, November 2014, beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for location and directions.


Please consider the following submissions for the November 2014 Letter of Intent:


Caidence the Storyteller (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME

The documentation for the given name is a printout of a dictionary page for the word cadence. There is no indication on it being a given name in period. I'm really at a loss here – there are many, many name pools in period, but very few, including English, do not merely pick a common noun or other word as a name element. Story-teller is dated to 1709 (COED).

The client desires a female name and will not accept Major or Minor changes to the name.


Note for following submissions: According to the Armorial and Ordinary, the branch-name Shire of Granite Mountain was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This appears to be an error, as this group has been continually active since the 1980s and was elevated to the status of Barony in 2011. The badges of the Baronial awards follow the design of its arms, registered in January 1999, Per fess indented vert and sable, in chief a laurel wreath Or, a bordure erminois. I know there will be a number of conflicts and other issues with these submissions: I'm using this as a springboard to correct them.


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW BADGE
Per fess indented vert and sable, a vol Or.

According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.
Originally brought forth of Order of the Mountain's Grace, no Order name accompanies this badge, so for the moment it appears as a badge submission only.


Barony of Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Fury of Granite Mountain, and BADGE

Per fess indented vert and sable, overall a Thor's hammer Or.

According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.

Fury means fierce passion, disorder or tumult of mind approaching madness; the spelling dates to 1374, while the definition for fierce impetuosity or violence is spelled alternately furie, furye, etc. in period, according to the COED). (This is the hardsuit fighting award.) Although the construction might apply to the fighters of the Barony of Granite Mountain, I can also see this as an unworkable construction, as inanimate creations such as mountains are unlikely to have characteristics associated with animate objects. This wouldn't conflict if it were Order of Fury.


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Beauty of Granite Mountain, and BADGE
Per fess indented vert and sable, a quill in inkwell Or.

According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.
Beauty is defined as “that quality or combination of qualities which affords keen pleasure to other senses...or which charms the intellectual or moral faculties, through inherent grace”; this is dated c. 1300 onward, although this particular spelling for the definition is post-period (COED). This is an abstract but desirable quality like those seen in medieval secular orders such as the French Hope and the German Old Love and Green (Fresh/Young) Love cited in “Medieval Secular Order Names: Standard Forms of Order Names,” Juliana de Luna (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/ListingOfStandardForms.shtml#AllAbstract).


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Emerald Heart of Granite Mountain, and BADGE

Per fess indented vert and sable in pale a heart and an ermine spot Or.

According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.
Emerald is a bright green precious stone; this spelling is dated to 1634, although there are numerous spelling variations back to c. 1300 AD (COED).

The heart is “a figure or representation of the human heart; esp. a conventionalized symmetrical figure formed of two similar curves meeting in a point at one end and a cusp at the other. Also, an object, as a jewel or ornament, in the shape of a heart, dated to 1463 and spelled as herte. The modern spelling heart is used for a stylized figure in 1529, as a playing card (COED).


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Golden Heart of Granite Mountain, and BADGE

Per fess indented vert and sable in pale a heart and an ermine spot Or.

According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.
Per the May 2009 Cover Letter, Golden is one of the color terms usable in Order names. (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05cl.html). The spelling "golden" is found in period from as early as 1398: "1398 J. Trevisa tr. Bartholomew de Glanville De Proprietatibus Rerum (1495) xvi. iv. 553 A thynne plate of golde of the whyche golden threde is made."

The heart is “a figure or representation of the human heart; esp. a conventionalized symmetrical figure formed of two similar curves meeting in a point at one end and a cusp at the other. Also, an object, as a jewel or ornament, in the shape of a heart, dated to 1463 and spelled as herte. The modern spelling heart is used for a stylized figure in 1529, as a playing card (COED).

This is the blazon sent to me by the baronial pursuivant. I doubt that it's supposed to be identical to the badge for the Emerald Heart of Granite Mountain. From original consideration of the awards, this might be intended to have three ermine spots, but it that is the case, orientation of the spots would need to be included in the blazon.


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Leaf of Granite Mountain, and BADGE

Per fess indented vert and sable, an oak leaf inverted bendwise sinister Or.

According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.
The spelling leafs as a plural is first seen in 1640, although this terms was used to describe a plant before 1000 AD (COED)


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of Granite Mountain's Finesse, and BADGE

Per fess indented vert and sable, a rapier Or.

According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.

Finesse is defined as delicacy or subtlety of manipulation or discrimination, refinement, refined grace (it can also have less desirable aspects); it is date to 1564 as fynesse (COED). This might be considered an abstract quality like those seen in medieval secular orders such as the French Hope and the German Old Love and Green (Fresh/Young) Love cited in “Medieval Secular Order Names: Standard Forms of Order Names,” Juliana de Luna (http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/ListingOfStandardForms.shtml#AllAbstract). The construction of the name seems to refer to the populace of the Barony rather than the original, more generic, name suggestion, Order of the Mountain's Finesse, which might say that a mountain itself is capable of having finesse.


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Mountain Peregrine, and BADGE

Per fess indented vert and sable, a peregrine falcon rising, wings elevated and addorsed Or.
According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.
In this sense, mountain is a descriptive, as born in, inhabiting, coming from, or a resident of a mountain(s); this seems to be very post-period (after 1700), according to the COED. However, the name Order of the Mountain Lily was registered to the Barony of Ered Sul in March 1998, and this name appears to follow that Order's construction.

Peregrine appears to be used as a descriptive for “foreign, belonging to a foreign land; outlandish, strange (c. 1530 as peregrine). The raptors that are described in this manner seem consistent with using falcon + peregrine, rather than peregrine alone (Chaucer refers to it as a ffaucon peregryn, c. 1386). Would the name be more accurate as the Order of the Mountain Peregrine Falcon or the Order of the Mountain Falcon? It seems that all “Peregrines” in the Armorial are elements of personal names. I couldn't locate one that appears in an order or place name.

I believe that because the falcon is Or, it be blazoned simply as a falcon.


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NEW ORDER NAME, Order of the Roots of Granite Mountain, and BADGE
Per fess indented vert and sable, a tree eradicated Or.

According to the Armorial and Ordinary, this branch-name was registered in December 1996 and released in March 1997. This group has been continually active and was elevated to the status of Barony, with the investiture of its first Baron and Baroness in January 2011.

The Order name follows guidelines seen in Project Ordensnamen, by Meradudd Cethin( http://www.sca.org/heraldry/laurel/names/order/ ), basing a name on Things, i.e. tangible items (e.g., Oak). The "items" in an order name tend not to be found in the plural, so this is probably more accurate as Root. The word enters the English language early, c. 1150, usually as rote or roten. Whether or not Root/s can be used as an element in an Order name is something that has been recently discussed in the name submission for the Order of the Roots of the Barony of Atenveldt, in the September 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.


Jacob Fisher de Cardif (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend sinister azure and argent, a covered saltcellar shedding salt and a seadog rampant counterchanged.

All elements are English between 1176 and 1597, a 421-year range; Sena Appendix A allows the format of given + byname + locative. Jacob Awbart has a christening date of 14 March 1549 at East Hanningfield, Essex, England (IGI: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/JMNF-QNT )

Marie Fisher has a christening date of 19 April 1597 at Upton-Bishop, Hereford, England (IGI: https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/N8JF-Z9P).
Cardiff is a locative, a Welsh port city; de Cardif is dated to 1176 and 1203, according to Reaney and Wilson, 3rd editition, p. 84 s.n. Cardiff. The client desires a male name and is most interested in the sound of the name. He will not accept Major changes to the name.
A covered saltcellar shedding salt is found in the arms of the Worshipful Company of Salters, 1530 (mistholme.com/dictionary/saltcellar/). Some monsters whose names begin with the prefix “sea-“, and yet are not fish-tailed demi-beasts.  The most notable of these is the “sea-dog”, a talbot with scales and a webbed dorsal fin: one is found in the arms of Harry, 1547 (http://mistholme.com/?s=sea-dog).


Please consider the following submissions for the October 2014 Letter of Intent:



Honour Grenehart (Granholme): NEW BADGE

Per pale azure and sable, a hurst of pine trees argent.

The name was registered January 1999.

The client is willing to accept Per fess azure and sable, a hurst of pine trees argent. As an alternative if there is a conflict with the first.







The following were held or returned from the September 2014 Letter of Intent:

Elliott O'Callahan (Twin Moons): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale vert and purpure, a calamarie and in chief three annulets argent.

HELD: for clarification on the annulets, whether they are intended to be in fess or arranged two and one.


The following appear in the October 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Complete commentary can be found at the OSCAR website, specifically https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=2841. This is an abbreviated form of the commentary, and I encourage you to read the full form.

Commentary is provided by Alexandra Vazquez de Granada (AVG), Alys Mackyntoich (AM), Basil Dragonstrike (BD), Gunnvor silfraharr (Gs), Madog Hir of Aire Faucon (MHAF), Sorcha inghen Chon Mhara (SCM) and Marta (MMM).


Antoinette Marie (Granholme): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Vert, two lozenges in fess per saltire argent and Or.

We don't need to document Marie specifically as a byname if the language is one that allows unmarked matronymics. In that case, documenting Marie as a given name is sufficient. Appendix A does not say anything about unmarked matronymics in French, so in this case the documentation seems to be needed. (AM) We can alternately document this as an English name, or as a name with French and English elements, which is allowed in SENA Appendix C. (MMM)

I wonder if the obvious resemblance to Marie Antoinette will be a problem. She's not "modern" per se, but she is out of period, and thus this name risks "mak[ing] a modern joke or reference that destroys medieval ambience and drags the average person mentally back to the present day." (PN.2.E)
It seems to me that Marie Antoinette is important enough to protect: "A personal name may not be too close to the name of a protected individual or make claims to be a direct relative of a protected individual....People from all periods of history including the present may be important enough to protect...For individuals important enough to protect, we protect all forms in which their name was known, including in other languages, but not hypothetical forms. We only protect names that are used either today or in the time when they were alive to refer to these protected persons."
There is, clearly, sufficient technical difference between the names. But the obvious similarity worries me.
I didn't find any conflict, and other than the above matter, I see nothing worth noting. (BD)

Blazon-fu: Vert, in fess two lozenges per saltire argent and Or. (AVG) This might make the blazon a little clearer; thank you. (MMM)

"Misty Windsprite:"The following badge associated with this name was registered in July of 1982 (via Atlantia): "(Fieldless) Two lozenges conjoined in fess argent and Or." One DC for fieldlessness (A.5.G.1.e). There is another DC under A.5.G.3.d, for changing the number of pieces each charge is divided into, from one to four. (BD)


Atenveldt, Kingdom of, Order of the Golden Needle: NEW NAME and BADGE: Azure, a needle within a bordure rayonny Or.

This Order format of Color + Charge name is found in “Medieval Secular Order Names,” Juliana de Luna, http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/.

Per the May 2009 Cover Letter, Golden is one of the color terms usable in Order names. (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05cl.html). The sewing needle is a period charge, found in the canting arms (from dial. Italian gugela) of de Agugellis, mid-15th C. (http://mistholme.com/dictionary/needle/). I believe that the blazon needs to be expanded to demonstrate that this is a sewing needle rather than a knitting needle, as the Order recognizes sewing efforts.

The OED has a citation of the spelling "needle" from in-period:
"1598 A. M. tr. J. Guillemeau Frenche Chirurg. f. 20v/2, He then vnwyndeth his needle, and openeth the lippes of the wounde."
The spelling "golden" is found in period, too, from as early as 1398:
"1398 J. Trevisa tr. Bartholomew de Glanville De Proprietatibus Rerum (1495) xvi. iv. 553 A thynne plate of golde of the whyche golden threde is made." to as late as 1636 (and later, outside period): "1636 P. Massinger Great Duke of Florence iii. i. sig. G2, That Petition lin'd too With golden birds, that sing to the tune of Profit." (BD)
I think we could get by without expanding the blazon. It seems that an unspecified needle is a sewing needle, while a knitting needle gets explicitly blazoned as such. BUT, I have seen sewing needles blazoned as such, too...so we could go either way.(SmR)
I didn't find any conflict. I would prefer it if the tip of the needle didn't slip between two of the rays; in my eyes that somewhat crosses the bordure. YMMV. (BD)

Atenveldt, Kingdom of, Order of the Golden Quill: NEW NAME and BADGE” Azure, a quill within a bordure rayonny Or.

This Order format of Color + Charge name is found in “Medieval Secular Order Names,” Juliana de Luna, http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/.

Per the May 2009 Cover Letter, Golden is one of the color terms usable in Order names.

I believe that the blazon must be expanded upon to demonstrate that this is a quill pen for manuscript arts, not merely a bird's feather or a quill of yarn. It is found in the canting arms of Coupens c.1312 (http://mistholme.com/dictionary/pen/).

The OED's oldest citation of the spelling "quill" is:
"1575 G. Turberville Bk. Faulconrie 331 The seconde kinde of Teynte which fretteth the principals of a Hawke to the verie Quill."
I've given citations for "golden" up above.
I didn't find any conflict. (BD)

Oh, and I second the need to blazon-fu this into "Azure, a quill pen within a bordure rayonny Or.' (SmR)
I would prefer it if the tip of the pen didn't slip between two of the rays; in my eyes that somewhat crosses the bordure. YMMV. (BD)


Atenveldt, Kingdom of, Order of the Golden Trumpet: NEW NAME and BADGE: Azure, a trumpet within a bordure rayonny Or.

This Order format of Color + Charge name is found in “Medieval Secular Order Names,” Juliana de Luna, http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/.

Per the May 2009 Cover Letter, <B>Golden</b> is one of the color terms usable in Order names.

The spelling "golden" is found in period from as early as 1398: "1398 J. Trevisa tr. Bartholomew de Glanville De Proprietatibus Rerum (1495) xvi. iv. 553 A thynne plate of golde of the whyche golden threde is made.", to as late as 1636 (and later, outside period):
"1636 P. Massinger Great Duke of Florence iii. i. sig. G2, That Petition lin'd too With golden birds, that sing to the tune of Profit."

The straight <B>trumpet </B> has been used as an heraldic charge as early as 1285, in the canting arms of Trumpington (http://mistholme.com/dictionary/trumpet/).
The OED cites the spelling "trumpet" to 1440: "c1440 Promp. Parv. 504/1 Trumpet, or a lytylle trumpe, that clepythe to mete, or men togedur, sistrum." The spelling continued in use through the gray-period: "1644 Milton Areopagitica 31 Why..was this Nation chos'n..that out of her..should be..sounded forth the first tidings and trumpet of Reformation to all Europ?"

This is clear of Gold Trumpet Herald Extraordinary, "This heraldic title was registered to Outlands, Kingdom of the in May of 2002 (via the Outlands) and transferred to Timothy O'Brien in May of 2005 (via the Outlands).” This submission is clear under PN.3.C for adding a syllable. (BD)
I would prefer it if the tip of the trumpet didn't slip between two of the rays; in my eyes that somewhat crosses the bordure. YMMV. (BD)


Gideon the Weary (BoA): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, September 2014: Sable, a dragon Or and a griffin argent addorsed and tails entwined, a base wavy argent and gules.

The name was registered January 2010.

The client's previous submission, Sable, a dragon Or and a griffin argent segreant addorsed, tails entwined., was returned for conflict with Dagán mac Finguine: Sable, a dragon Or and a unicorn addorsed argent. There is now one DC for the change of the unicorn to a griffin and a second DC for the addition of the base.

[The original Laurel return in the January 2010 LoA was for Per pale argent and sable, a dragon and a griffin segreant addorsed, tails entwined, counterchanged. It was returned for conflict with the device of Balin the Grisley, Per pale argent and sable, two dragons rising addorsed counterchanged, breathing flames and their tails grasped by, in base, a gauntlet counterchanged gules and Or. “The gauntlet is a maintained charge; therefore, there is a single CD for changing a dragon to a griffin.

“This device is also returned for violating section XI.3 (Marshalling) of the Rules for Submissions, which says "Divisions commonly used for marshalling, such as quarterly or per pale, may only be used in contexts that ensure marshalling is not suggested." Section XI.3.a says that "such fields may be used with identical charges over the entire field, or with complex lines of partition or charges overall that were not used for marshalling in period heraldry." This submission uses non-identical charges on the field and has no complex line of partition or charge overall.

“Some commenters argued that the entwined tails removed the appearance of marshalling. However, due to the tinctures involved, several people thought that the tails were not entwined, but merely 'bouncing off' each other as they touched the line of division, and remaining within the same half of the field as the monster each is attached to, thus contributing to the appearance of marshalling.” This redesign solves those problems, along with the conflict with Balin.]


Marceau de Valcourt (Twin Moons): HOUSEHOLD NAME RESUBMISSION, Mirthful Grand Alliance of Mead and Drum, from Kingdom, December 2007

The personal name was registered July 2001. The original submission of the household name, Grand Alliance of the Last Mirthful People, was returned because of no documentation with the name submission.

There are a number of “Companies” registered for Orders, household, groups of people, and it's a accepted alternative (May 2013 Cover Letter ruled registerable an order name designator). I am less sure about the use of the term Alliance for a group of people or household. There is a single entry in the Armorial and Ordinary featuring this, the Drachenmeer Alliance, registered to Stephen de Huyn in April 1984. It is found in the COED in 1365 as Alliaunce.

Most Companies registered by the College of Arms do not have a prefix, and those that do tend to be a single word with a simple descriptive: Black Company of the Inland Seas, March 1993; (Order of the) Red Company, October 1995. Those with a prefix (Silver Dragon Company (July 1981)), as an example, tend not to have a “suffix.” And there are always exceptions (Free Company of the White Mist (December 1987), although these all tend to be very old registrations.

Mirthful, as “full of mirth, joyous, glad,” is dated at 1300 (COED).

Grand, as grant, is seen in 14th C English as “large, big,”but is preceded from Anglo-French graunt and Old French 10th C. grant or grand that includes “large, great, powerful.” (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=grand)

The household name follows the pattern of using two unrelated objects, as seen in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "English Sign Names From 17th Century Tradesman's Tokens" (http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/Tokens/XandY_unrelated.shtml) . Mead is defined as an alcoholic mixture of honey and water; it is shown as mede in 1205 and 1390 as meed. A drum is a musical percussive instrument, with this spelling dated c. 1553 (both from COED).

This name is to be associated with the badge, Sable semy of dumbeks Or, two women statant respectant maintaining between them a brazier argent enflamed proper., registered April 2010 to Marceau de Valcourt.

I don't think this designator (Mirthful Grand Alliance) is workable. First, its structure is unlike anything I've seen registered, and I'm not sure if it follows a period form.
More significant, I don't think "Alliance" accords with SENA NPN.1.B.3, which says in part:
"The designators for household names must be documented as a form describing a group of people in a particular culture. ...Several kinds of groups of people have served as models for household names. They include a noble household, a military unit, a guild, a group of people associated with an inn or tenement house, a university or school (noting that the word college is reserved for branches), clans, and an organized group of musicians or actors."
Notice that all the examples given are organized bodies of people. The only definitions in the online OED that have in-period citations are:

1. Union, bond, or connection through consanguinity or (now chiefly) marriage; kinship; an instance of this. Formerly also: sexual relationship outside marriage; an instance of this (obs.). 2. a. People united by kinship or friendship collectively; friends, allies, kindred; a person's relatives. Obs. b. A relative; a friend, an ally. Obs. 3. a. The state or fact of being united for a common purpose or for mutual benefit, esp. of nations or states; confederation, partnership. Also: an instance of this; a union, a league.auld, counter-, Holy, triple alliance, etc.: see the first element. 4. a. Similarity in nature or character or a relationship based on this; association, connection; affinity. Also: an instance of this. 5. = allegiance n.Perh. originally arising from a confusion of the two words. In later use strongly influenced by sense 3a.

Thus, in period "alliance" referred either to unorganized groups of people, or organized groups of nations. IMO, that makes "alliance" inappropriate for use as a designator. YMMV. (BD)


Séamus mac Ríáin (Tir Ysgithr): NEW JOINT BADGE with Iuliana of the Unicorn: Per pale nebuly Or and vert, a winged cat sable and a unicorn argent combattant.

The names were registered August 2006 and July 2013.

Elements of the badge are taken from their personal arms, Or, a winged cat sejant sable and on a chief gules three open books Or., and Per pale sable and vert, three unicorns rampant one and two argent.


Sundragon, Barony of, Order of the Dragon and the Fireside: NEW NAME and BADGE: Per pale rayonny Or and sable, in dexter base a flame proper.

This Order name follows the pattern of naming an order after two objects or heraldic charges, seen in "Medieval Secular Order Names," Juliana de Luna (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/). This spelling of dragon is seen c. 1400 (COED). Fireside, originally the two seats to the left and the right of a fire under the chimney (hearth), is dated to 1563. The original hope for the name was “the Dragons Fireside,” but possessives are rare in period Orders and don't apply to most creatures beyond saints.

The blazon of the badge is taken from the charter; it results in a tincture violation, with portion of the flame on the Or field. I am guessing that the flame ought to be on the sable portion of the field. (Then again in separately written correspondences, there is confusion as to whether the field is Per pale rayonny Or and sable... or Per pale rayonny sable and Or...) Were the flame on the sable portion of the field, it could be blazoned proper (and tinctured Or and gules); were it on the Or portion of the field, it would have to be completely gules.

I can confirm the citations for the spellings of "dragon" and "fireside". (BD)
We can't have a flame proper on either an Or or gules field, because as we see here, the tongues of flame that match the field disappear. Make the flame all gules and it would be okay, though one charge in base on one side isn't really good period style. Or move the proper flame to the black side. (Gs)
I spoke with the consulting herald on this submission, and it appears that the blazon ought to be Per pale rayonny sable and Or... That appears to clear up the problem of a proper flame on an Or field. (MMM)
I believe there are conflicts if the Or and Sable fields are reversed. http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=34645 Erin Hendersonne - New Device Per pale rayonny, sable and Or. Based on internal OSCAR commentary Erin's device conflicted with http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=30072 Thomas Hendersonne Per pale indented sable and Or. (but permission to conflict was granted) (SCM)
Appendix I, section B says: "A secondary charge group is a single charge or group of charges directly on the field around the primary charges. Therefore, you cannot have a secondary charge group without a primary charge group to surround, except in field-primary armory." Thus, the flame must be a primary charge group, and they are clear under SENA A.5.E.1, for adding a primary charge group.
Well, that's the theory as I understand it. OTOH, I can see the flame be demoted from primary status for being small and well away from the center of the field. I can't find any precedent that addresses this matter.
There's something else that might be a conflict: "Annette of Faire Monte "The following badge associated with this name was registered in August of 1979: "(Fieldless) A flame slipped and leaved with thistle leaves, all proper." There's an obvious DC for fieldlessness, but there's precedent that slipping and leaving doesn't count:"[Per pale vert and sable, on a pale argent three roses sable.] This conflicts with Amba Ædhi: Per pale purpure and gules, on a pale argent a cornflower slipped and leaved sable.nor do we give difference for slipping and leaving... [Anderlin zum schwarzen Rosen, LoAR 06/2004, Trimaris-R]" However, slipping and leaving a flame is not a standard action, and perhaps in that case it is worth a DC.
There's also:"William of Sark "Either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were registered in January of 1973: "Sable, a flame proper." William's device is the subject of a longish precedent from 2002. You can read it at: http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/05/02-05lar.html
However, the important point can be reduced to:"William's armory is emblazoned as an Or flame voided gules: an "old-SCA-style" proper flame. Rúadhán's armory is emblazoned with alternating gules and Or tongues of flame: a "new-SCA-style" (or real-world style) proper flame....We therefore rule that, as a special case due to the SCA history of the charge, there will be no difference given between the various emblazons of flames proper." [Rúadhán Súilghlas, R-An Tir, 05/2002] There's a DC for the field. How arrangement/placement would be handled in the case - - - well, I'm just not certain. In any event, since the flame has to be changed to a color-only, or moved, or the field altered, some or most of what I've just said is likely to be rendered moot. (BD)

Yehoshua ben Abraam: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2014: Or, two pea-vines fructed and entwined about a stake, on a chief vert three stars of David two and one Or.

The name was registered June 2014.

The original submission was returned for redrawing for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." While the plant here is obviously a vine, without leaves it is not readily identifiable as a pea-vine; similarly, it is impossible to tell that there are two vines, as opposed to merely one plant. We suggest the submitter consider just a single pea plant. Pea plants in period armory show both leaves and pods.

This device is also returned for the placement of the stars of David upon the chief; a chief is too narrow for most charges to be in a two-and-one arrangement, and no evidence was presented of three charges on a chief arranged two-and-one in period armory.

The client wants two pea-vines, and is agreeable to having the stars of Davice in fess on the chief. Thanks to Orle for the splendid vines!


The following submissions were registered by the SCA College of Arms, July 2014:

Atenveldt, Barony of. Guild name Sisterhood of the Black Swan of the Barony of Atenveldt.

The phrase "of the Barony" in this order name is grandfathered to the submitter. It is also needed to differentiate the barony from the kingdom of Atenveldt.


Atenveldt, Barony of. Badge for Order of the Palm Leaf of the Barony of Atenveldt. Argent, two palm trees couped, trunks crossed in saltire and in chief a palm frond fesswise gules.

This depiction of palm trees in saltire is grandfathered to the submitter.


Bran Mac Consaidín. Name (see RETURNS for device).


Eilionora inghean Mhig Aonghusa. Name.

Submitted as Eilionora Mhig Aonghusa, the byname Mhig Aonghusa was not correctly formed because female bynames that indicate a relationship also require the particle inghean ("daughter"). We have corrected the name to Eilionora inghean Mhig Aonghusa in order to register this name.

Although the spelling mhic is more common, the spelling Mhig is found in Sharon Krossa, "Historical Name Generator: Sixteenth Century Irish and Scottish Gaelic Names" (http://medievalscotland.org/scotnames/hng16gaelic/index.shtml). Therefore, we are able to give the spelling of the particle Mhig the benefit of the doubt that it is a period form. The typical form Eilionora inghean mhic Aonghusa is also registerable.


Ellisif Styrbjarnardóttir. Name and device. Sable, a bear's head couped contourny gules.

Submitted as Ellisif Styrbjarnardóttir, the name inadvertently appeared in the Letter of Intent as Ellisif Styrbjranardóttir. We have restored the name to the submitted form.

This device was submitted as an individually attested pattern, with supporting documentation for the use of bear's heads couped and of complex gules primary charges on sable fields in German armory. Nice German device!


Jacket Tyllyng. Name (see RETURNS for device).

The byname Tyllyng was documented to the late 13th century in the Letter of Intent. In commentary, Blue Tyger was able to document it to 1562, making this an excellent 16th century name.


Jerusha a'Laon. Badge. (Fieldless) In saltire a straight trumpet argent and a quill pen purpure.


Niall MacTaggart. Badge. (Fieldless) A scorpion within and conjoined to an annulet argent.

Please advise the submitter to draw the annulet thicker.


Noemi De Luna. Name and device. Per fess sable and lozengy gules and argent, a wolf passant argent and a tree blasted and eradicated sable.

Submitted as Noemi De Luna, the name appeared on the Letter of Intent as Noémi de Luna. The Family Search record from which the given name Noémi was not from one of the batches we allow as sole documentation, but the entry included a photograph of the primary source showing the name in question. Unfortunately, there appears to be an error in the transcription, such that the original document appears to show the name Noèmi (with a grave accent or some other similar mark). In commentary, Blue Tyger and Siren were able to document the submitted spelling Noemi to 1596 and c.1300, respectively. Although de Luna is the more typical capitalization, De Luna can also be justified. (It is found in CORDE, dated 1624.) Therefore, we are able to restore this name to the submitted form.


Veronica Colquhoun. Name.

Nice 16th century Anglo-Scots name!


The following submissions were returned by the CoA for further work, July 2014:

Alfred Jensen of Mo. Badge. (Fieldless) On a cross formy fitched at the foot sable a dove rising argent.

This badge is returned for redraw. The cross depicted here is not a cross formy, nor can it be blazoned as any registerable cross.

A properly drawn cross formy fitched at the foot would have the arms clearly separated. The fitching should also be narrower.

While a cross with this blazon is registered to him, the depiction of the cross is radically different.


Bran Mac Consaidín. Device. Per pale nebuly Or and sable, a raven contourny and a harp, issuant from base a demi-sun all counterchanged.

This device is returned for breaking our rule on "slot machine" heraldry. There are three charges with equivalent visual weight that have to be considered as belonging to the same group.

If the submitter wants to use a similar design on resubmission, he should keep in mind that the sun in base should be clearly smaller than the animate charges.

Additionally, several commenters pointed out a problem of identifiablity created by the combination of the nebuly line of division with the sun.

Finally, there is a drastic difference between the black and white and colored forms on the letter of intent. This in itself is grounds for return.


Jacket Tyllyng. Device. Gules, on a mountain vert snow-capped a sinister gauntleted fist argent.

No documentation was provided, by the submitter or in commentary, that a snow-capped mountain is a period motif. Barring such documentation it is not registerable to the submitter as the grandfather clause applies to the Barony of Ered Sûl, but does not extend to the residents of the Barony.


Katarina MacDonald. Name and device. Vert, on a chevron throughout azure fimbriated a unicorn's head couped contourny argent.

Unfortunately for the submitter, this name has a relationship conflict with the registered Magdalene Katherine MacDonald. In this case, the submitter appears to be claiming to be the mother of Magdalene. There is not sufficient difference in sound between Middle English pronunciations of Katarina MacDonald and Katherine MacDonald [Katerina Johnson, November 2013, R-Atlantia], and this name must be returned.

Upon resubmission, the addition of another element like a second byname would clear this conflict. The submitter may wish to know that MacDonald can be documented as an interpolated form from the 16th century, so she need not rely on the legal name allowance.

This device is returned for redraw. The position of the head on the chevron cannot be reproducibly blazoned as it is not in the middle. It is also not fully palewise.

On resubmission, the submitter should draw the head as that of a unicorn, rather than a unicornate horse, which would require a more caprine face, a more pronounced horn and, usually, a beard.


The following were registered by the College of Arms, August 2014:

Aindíles Cáel mac Máedóic. Name and device. Argent, a chevron cotised azure between three stag's heads erased proper.

Máedóic is the genitive (possessive) form of Máedóc, which is the name of several Irish saints.

Nice device!


Angus Macairt. Name and device. Per chevron azure and vert, on a chevron argent a polypus sable, a bordure argent.

Submitted as Angus Macaird, the patronym was constructed using the patronymic particle Mac ("son of") with the place name Aird. Place names cannot be used to create MacX-style bynames. Therefore, we have changed the byname to Macairt in order to register this name.


Cathaoir Ruadh. Name and device. Argent, surmounting a fess sable between three crescents an enfield gules.


Emma Makeblise. Badge. Paly argent and vert, a ladybug proper and a chief Or.


Gabriella le Fevre. Name and device. Vert, a pine tree couped and on a chief embattled argent three thistles proper.

This name combines an Italian or Spanish given name with a French byname. This is an acceptable lingual mix under Appendix C of SENA.


Iosif Volkov. Device. Paly gules and argent, on a pile cotised azure a lightning bolt palewise Or.

His old device, Per bend sinister embattled azure and argent, a shooting star Or and a double-bitted axe argent, both bendwise sinister, is retained as a badge. There is a step from period practice for the use of a lightning bolt not as part of a thunderbolt.


Mikel Draco Aurelius. Name and device. Azure, a sea-serpent erect Or and in sinister chief a mullet argent.

This device is not in conflict with that of Bedivere de Byron: Azure, a serpent entwined around a trident palewise Or. By precedent there is no difference between a serpent and a sea-serpent: [Argent, a serpent erect contourny, a chief gules] This conflicts with Robert de la Tor-Fraisse, Argent, a sea-serpent haurient reguardant gules. There is only one CD for the addition of the chief. An examination of the emblazon shows that Conall's sea-serpent is in essentially the same posture as Robert's. [Conall Ruadh Mag Fhionnain, 07/99, R-Atlantia]

However there is at least a DC for removing the trident and a DC for adding the secondary mullet.


Revina Colquhoun. Name.


Sorcha inghen Chon Mhara. Badge. Argent, a sea-hedgehog gules maintaining a drop-spindle sable, a bordure gules.


Thorfinn Thorfinsson the Lucky. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Thorfinn is a simplified transliteration of the given name Þorfinn, found in Lind, s.n. Þorfinnr. In addition, forms such as the 15th century Thorfinnzs (which appears to be a genitive/possessive form) and the 13th century Thorfinnus/Thorfinus are found in the same entry. Therefore, the spellings of both the given name and patronym are plausible. The byname the Lucky is the lingua Anglica form of the Old Norse inn heppni. The submitter may wish to know that a wholly Old Norse form of this name is Þórfinnr inn heppni Þórfinnsson or Þórfinnr Þórfinsson ins heppna, where the latter uses the genitive, or possessive, form of the descriptive byname. In commentary, Siren presented examples to show that descriptive bynames occasionally followed the patronym. It is ambiguous whether such a byname refers to the bearer or the bearer's father.


Zoe of Alexandria. Device. Lozengy argent and sable, a phoenix gules and a chief sable.

Nice device!


The following were returned by the College of Arms for further work, August 2014:

Rosamund Sanburne. Badge. Checky argent and azure, a squirrel sejant erect maintaining a threaded needle inverted Or.

This badge is returned for conflict with the badge of Alasdair MacEogan, (Fieldless) A squirrel sejant erect Or. There is a DC for the field but the maintained needle doesn't count for a difference.


Thorfinn Thorfinsson the Lucky. Device. Per chevron gules mullety argent and azure, a chevron Or and in base a mask of comedy and a mask of tragedy in bend argent.

This device is returned for violating SENA A3D2c, Unity of Posture and Orientation, which states "A charge group in which postures for different charges must be blazoned individually will not be allowed without period examples of that combination of postures." The masks here are not in a unified arrangement, as, even if together they are in bend their orientation needs to be blazoned separately.

Additionally, none of them is clearly palewise or bendwise/bendwise sinister and that lack of clear orientation is also a cause for return.



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