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1 November 2000, A.S. XXXV

Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Mathias and Sarolta; Lady Isabel d'Avron, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the November 2000 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. You are encouraged to comment upon these submissions, even if you fear that you might not have enough "experience" to offer your opinion. Please have commentary to me by 25 November. I accept electronic commentary:

Name Documentation: Keep in minre, that if one GOOD source of a name is found (e.g., articles in the Medieval Names Archive online or from the sources listed in the College of Arms Administrative Handbook), I don't need one or two other pieces of documentation for the same name element. You might note (as a local herald or a submitter), that I might not use a piece of documentation that you know was sent with the submissions packet; in all likelihood, that was a poor name source (such as Kolatch, Younge, or Hanks and Hodges); I've replaced the provided documentation with something that the College of Arms will accept.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs (like this one) through the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Please consider the following submissions for inclusion in the December LoI:

Four Mountains, Incipient March of the (Chinle, AZ): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per saltire argent, azure, Or, and sable, a laurel wreath vert between four mountains ?, snowcapped argent.

The name is made of standard English elements; it should be clear of the Barony of Three Mountains.

There are several problems with the device submission. The first, of a bureaucratic nature, is that the submissions did not come with populace consent forms. While this is an attempt to demonstrate some of the Native American lore in the armory, one of the local staff here, John Michael Midwinter, works on the Tohono Od'ham reservation west of Tucson (and previously on the Sioux reservation in North Dakota), believes that trying to put too much Native American references into a Western European framework may not be looked at kindly (he is more than willing to discuss his concerns; I can provide his contact information). From a straight heraldic standpoint, the use of mountains in a piece of armory is fine, and the use of four peaks is a nice cant with the proposed name. However, there is no indication of the use of four tinctures in a field such as this in period armory (dividing fields into a number of tinctures, particularly quarterly, but in some rare cases, per saltire, is a strong suggestion of impaled arms, a practice that S.C.A. armory does not follow). The maximum number of tinctures that can be used with this field division is two. The mountains in the emblazon have no specific tincture, and because a mix of metals and colors were used in the fields, it would be impossible to use a single tincture for all of them without violating the Rule of Contrast. If the folks in the March are interested in using the four tinctures ascribed to Native American beliefs, this might be accomplished in something of the manner Per saltire azure and Or, a laurel wreath counterchanged (to eliminate a tincture, vert) between four mountains counterchanged argent and sable. (The azure parts of the field have argent mountains, and the Or parts of the field have sable mountains.) The mountains should also be rendered in an identical, heraldic manner. Any modification like this would have to be checked for conflict, although a cursory conflict check seems to be clear.

Kveldulf av Ulfsgaard (Mons Tonitrus): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, 1988

Argent, a wolf-headed eagle displayed to sinister sustaining a pair of axes crossed in saltire sable.

The name is Old Norse.

The following submissions appear in the 1 November 2000 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Christoffel von Bovisse: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Per chevron Or and sable, a chevron and in chief two bulls rampant addorsed gules)

The submitter has agreed to use a demonstrated placename; Bovisse is found in Belgium.

Constantina von Ravenna: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Per pale azure and Or, an escarbuncle between in bend sinister an increscent and a decrescent counterchanged.)

I am sending the name up "as is," although it is far more likely that an Italian woman living in Germany would be known to the local inhabitants as "Konstanz von (whatever the German form of Ravenna is)".

Dirk de Tovenaar (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE (Gules, a two bendlets wavy and in sinister chief a natural dolphin naiant embowed argent.)

The name is Dutch. Dirk is a masculine given name, found in "Dutch Names 1358-1361," by Arynhwy merch Catmael ( The byname means "the magician/wizard" ( Although there is only one instance of Wizard being registered in the S.C.A., I am inclined to submit the name, as I don't think it would be considered objectionable.

Etain und Ruprecht von Tielwasser (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE (Per pale azure and vert, on a plate a raspberry gules slipped vert.)

There were several questions on the name raised in the last internal LoI; at this point I am sending the name on "as is" and requesting accurate information from the CoA for an accurate reflection of the name. I have pointed out that the elements Etain, Ruprecht and Tiel are more important to her.

Johnathan Crusadene Whitewolfe the Younger: NEW NAME CHANGE from Jonathan the Younger

Mara Toole: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Purpure, on a pale between two harps argent, two harps purpure.)

The submitter has modified her name from O'Mara Toole to provide a needed given name element.

Mikoaj de Bracy: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Argent, semy-de-lys, a bend sinister gules.)

As drawn, there might be a reasonable alternate blazon that specifically mentions the number of fleurs used, but seven is rather a lot of charges for the heraldic mind to comprehend. :)

Molon Munokhoi Tsagaan: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Gules, on a bezant four roundels, two and two, gules.)

The submitter is aware that the device will probably be returned for violating RoS XI.4, Arms of Pretense, but he has specifically requested that the submission be presented to the CoA.

Rhys Ravenscroft: NEW NAME

Wulfstan Egweald: NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME "House Darkspire" and NEW BADGE (Per pale Or and sable, a tower between two fleurs-de-lys counterchanged.)

The following submissions were returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds, October 2000:

Camilla Anthea Ó Rioghbárdáin: NEW NAME and DEVICE (Gules, on a Latin cross extended throughout palewise argent, a shamrock vert.)

RETURNED for double given name in Irish name and use of post-period name element; device RETURNED for multiple conflicts.

Rhys Ravenscroft: NEW DEVICE (Per bend sinister gules and sable, a bend sinister between two horses' heads respectant, heads erased palewise, Or.)

RETURNED for conflict.

Dascha Alexandrovna Rostova (Atenveldt): NEW NAME CHANGE, from Dasiya Alexandrovna Rostova, August 1992

This is a new name change and did come with appropriate fees (I misspoke in last month's letter). However, I am holding the submission to contact the lady, as I was unable to find Dascha as a period feminine Russian given name.

I remain,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716


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