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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 20 October 2014, A.S. XLIX
Letter of Intent Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Andrewe Laurel; Lillia Pelican; Brunissende Wreath; and the commenting Members of the College of Arms,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!


The Atenveldt College of Heralds requests the consideration and registration of the following names and armory with the College of Arms.

Unless specifically stated, the submitter will accept any spelling and grammar corrections; all assistance is appreciated.


1. Antoinette Marie: NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, in fess two lozenges per saltire argent and Or.


Antoinette is a female given name in “Feminine Names from Artois, 1601,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael, http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/french/1601fem.html.

Finding Marie as a period French byname is difficult (there is a Claude Marie in IGI Family Search that isn't dated, but his daughter(s) are just slightly post-1650, such that Charles himself may have been born/christened pre-1650). However, Marie is less rare as an English byname, with Robert Marie of Essex, England, married 1595, Batch M04255-1 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NVP5-LQW) and Walter Marie, married May 1608 in London, Batch M00166-1 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/NKRQ-LZX). The name can use English and French elements, which is permitted in SENA Appendix C.

The client's legal name is Antoinette Marie B. Aten Herald has seen her driver's license and attests that this is her legal name; we also have a copy of her passport. The client desires a feminine name and will not accept Major or Minor Changes to the name.

The major issue is whether the resemblance to the historical, post-period Marie Antoinette will be a problem. Basil Dragonstrike comments: “She's not "modern" per se, but she is out of period, and thus this name risks "mak[ing] a modern joke or reference that destroys medieval ambience and drags the average person mentally back to the present day. (SENA PN.2.E)” He also says: “It seems to me that Marie Antoinette is important enough to protect: "A personal name may not be too close to the name of a protected individual or make claims to be a direct relative of a protected individual....People from all periods of history including the present may be important enough to protect...For individuals important enough to protect, we protect all forms in which their name was known, including in other languages, but not hypothetical forms. We only protect names that are used either today or in the time when they were alive to refer to these protected persons.
“There is, clearly, sufficient technical difference between the names. But the obvious similarity worries me.“

Consider Misty Windsprite, (Fieldless) Two lozenges conjoined in fess argent and Or. There is one DCfor fieldlessness (A.5.G.1.e)., and another DC under A.5.G.3.d, for changing the number of pieces each charge is divided into, from one to four. This is clear of conflict.


2. Atenveldt, Kingdom of, Order of the Golden Needle: NEW NAME and BADGE

Azure, a needle within a bordure rayonny Or.


This Order format of Color + Charge name is found in “Medieval Secular Order Names,” Juliana de Luna, http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/.

Per the May 2009 Cover Letter, Golden is one of the color terms usable in Order names. (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2009/05/09-05cl.html). The spelling "golden" is found in period from as early as 1398: "1398 J. Trevisa tr. Bartholomew de Glanville De Proprietatibus Rerum (1495) xvi. iv. 553 A thynne plate of golde of the whyche golden threde is made."

The sewing needle is a period charge, found in the canting arms (from dial. Italian gugela) of de Agugellis, mid-15th C. (http://mistholme.com/dictionary/needle/). The OED has a citation of the spelling "needle" from in-period:
"1598 A. M. tr. J. Guillemeau Frenche Chirurg. f. 20v/2, He then vnwyndeth his needle, and openeth the lippes of the wounde."


The blazon may need to be expanded to demonstrate that this is a sewing needle rather than a knitting needle, as the Order recognizes sewing efforts.


3. Atenveldt, Kingdom of, Order of the Golden Quill: NEW NAME and BADGE
Azure, a quill within a bordure rayonny Or.


This Order format of Color + Charge name is found in “Medieval Secular Order Names,” Juliana de Luna, http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/.

Per the May 2009 Cover Letter, Golden is one of the color terms usable in Order names.

The spelling "golden" is found in period from as early as 1398: "1398 J. Trevisa tr. Bartholomew de Glanville De Proprietatibus Rerum (1495) xvi. iv. 553 A thynne plate of golde of the whyche golden threde is made."

The quill is found in the canting arms of Coupens c.1312 (http://mistholme.com/dictionary/pen/).The OED's oldest citation of the spelling "quill" is: "1575 G. Turberville Bk. Faulconrie 331 The seconde kinde of Teynte which fretteth the principals of a Hawke to the verie Quill."

I believe that the blazon must be expanded upon to demonstrate that this is a quill pen for manuscript arts, not merely a bird's feather or a quill of yarn (however, I don't think that the Order name itself needs to be expanded).


4. Atenveldt, Kingdom of, Order of the Golden Trumpet: NEW NAME and BADGE

Azure, a trumpet within a bordure rayonny Or.


This Order format of Color + Charge name is found in “Medieval Secular Order Names,” Juliana de Luna, http://medievalscotland.org/jes/OrderNames/.

Per the May 2009 Cover Letter, Golden is one of the color terms usable in Order names.

The spelling "golden" is found in period from as early as 1398: "1398 J. Trevisa tr. Bartholomew de Glanville De Proprietatibus Rerum (1495) xvi. iv. 553 A thynne plate of golde of the whyche golden threde is made.", to as late as 1636 (and later, outside period):
"1636 P. Massinger Great Duke of Florence iii. i. sig. G2, That Petition lin'd too With golden birds, that sing to the tune of Profit."

The straight trumpet has been used as an heraldic charge as early as 1285, in the canting arms of Trumpington (http://mistholme.com/dictionary/trumpet/).
The OED cites the spelling "trumpet" to 1440: "c1440 Promp. Parv. 504/1 Trumpet, or a lytylle trumpe, that clepythe to mete, or men togedur, sistrum." The spelling continued in use through the gray-period: "1644 Milton Areopagitica 31 Why..was this Nation chos'n..that out of her..should be..sounded forth the first tidings and trumpet of Reformation to all Europ?"


This is clear of Gold Trumpet Herald Extraordinary, "This heraldic title was registered to Outlands, Kingdom of the in May of 2002 (via the Outlands) and transferred to Timothy O'Brien in May of 2005 (via the Outlands).” This submission is clear under PN.3.C for adding a syllable.

5. Gideon the Weary: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2010

Sable, a dragon Or and a griffin argent addorsed and tails entwined, a base wavy argent and gules.


The name was registered January 2010.


The client's previous submission, Sable, a dragon Or and a griffin argent segreant addorsed, tails entwined., was returned for conflict with Dagán mac Finguine: Sable, a dragon Or and a unicorn addorsed argent. There is now one DC for the change of the unicorn to a griffin and a second DC for the addition of the base. This submission was returned in-kingdom September 2014.

The original submission, Per pale argent and sable, a dragon and a griffin segreant addorsed, tails entwined, counterchanged. , was returned for conflict with the device of Balin the Grisley, Per pale argent and sable, two dragons rising addorsed counterchanged, breathing flames and their tails grasped by, in base, a gauntlet counterchanged gules and Or. “The gauntlet is a maintained charge; therefore, there is a single CD for changing a dragon to a griffin.

“This device is also returned for violating section XI.3 (Marshalling) of the Rules for Submissions, which says "Divisions commonly used for marshalling, such as quarterly or per pale, may only be used in contexts that ensure marshalling is not suggested." Section XI.3.a says that "such fields may be used with identical charges over the entire field, or with complex lines of partition or charges overall that were not used for marshalling in period heraldry." This submission uses non-identical charges on the field and has no complex line of partition or charge overall.

“Some commenters argued that the entwined tails removed the appearance of marshalling. However, due to the tinctures involved, several people thought that the tails were not entwined, but merely 'bouncing off' each other as they touched the line of division, and remaining within the same half of the field as the monster each is attached to, thus contributing to the appearance of marshalling.”

This redesign solves those problems, along with the conflict with Balin.


6. Marceau de Valcourt: NEW HOUSEHOLD NAME, Mirthful Grand Alliance of Mead and Drum

The personal name was registered July 2001.


There are a number of “Companies” registered for Orders, household, groups of people, and it's a accepted alternative (May 2013 Cover Letter ruled registerable an order name designator). I am less sure about the use of the term Alliance for a group of people or household. There is a single entry in the Armorial and Ordinary featuring this, the Drachenmeer Alliance, registered to Stephen de Huyn in April 1984. It is found in the COED in 1365 as Alliaunce.

Most Companies registered by the College of Arms do not have a prefix, and those that do tend to be a single word with a simple descriptive: Black Company of the Inland Seas, March 1993; (Order of the) Red Company, October 1995. Those with a prefix (Silver Dragon Company (July 1981)), as an example, tend not to have a “suffix.” And there are always exceptions (Free Company of the White Mist (December 1987), although these all tend to be very old registrations.

Mirthful, as “full of mirth, joyous, glad,” is dated at 1300 (COED).

Grand, as grant, is seen in 14th C English as “large, big,”but is preceded from Anglo-French graunt and Old French 10th C. grant or grand that includes “large, great, powerful.” (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=grand)

The household name follows the pattern of using two unrelated objects, as seen in Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada's "English Sign Names From 17th Century Tradesman's Tokens" (http://www.medievalscotland.org/kmo/Tokens/XandY_unrelated.shtml) . Mead is defined as an alcoholic mixture of honey and water; it is shown as mede in 1205 and 1390 as meed. A drum is a musical percussive instrument, with this spelling dated c. 1553 (both from COED).

This name is to be associated with the badge, Sable semy of dumbeks Or, two women statant respectant maintaining between them a brazier argent enflamed proper., registered April 2010 to Marceau de Valcourt.

Basil Dragonstrike comments: I don't think this designator (Mirthful Grand Alliance) is workable. First, its structure is unlike anything I've seen registered, and I'm not sure if it follows a period form.
More significant, I don't think "Alliance" accords with SENA NPN.1.B.3, which says in part:
"The designators for household names must be documented as a form describing a group of people in a particular culture. ...Several kinds of groups of people have served as models for household names. They include a noble household, a military unit, a guild, a group of people associated with an inn or tenement house, a university or school (noting that the word college is reserved for branches), clans, and an organized group of musicians or actors."
Notice that all the examples given are organized bodies of people. The only definitions in the online OED that have in-period citations are:

1. Union, bond, or connection through consanguinity or (now chiefly) marriage; kinship; an instance of this. Formerly also: sexual relationship outside marriage; an instance of this (obs.). 2. a. People united by kinship or friendship collectively; friends, allies, kindred; a person's relatives. Obs. b. A relative; a friend, an ally. Obs. 3. a. The state or fact of being united for a common purpose or for mutual benefit, esp. of nations or states; confederation, partnership. Also: an instance of this; a union, a league.auld, counter-, Holy, triple alliance, etc.: see the first element. 4. a. Similarity in nature or character or a relationship based on this; association, connection; affinity. Also: an instance of this. 5. = allegiance n.Perh. originally arising from a confusion of the two words. In later use strongly influenced by sense 3a.

Thus, in period "alliance" referred either to unorganized groups of people, or organized groups of nations. IMO, that makes "alliance" inappropriate for use as a designator.


7. Séamus mac Ríáin: NEW JOINT BADGE with Iuliana of the Unicorn

Per pale nebuly Or and vert, a winged cat sable and a unicorn argent combatant.


The names were registered August 2006 and July 2013.

Elements of the badge are taken from their personal arms, Or, a winged cat sejant sable and on a chief gules three open books Or., and Per pale sable and vert, three unicorns rampant one and two argent.


8. Sundragon, Barony of, Order of the Dragon and the Fireside: NEW NAME and BADGE

Per pale rayonny sable and Or, in dexter base a flame proper.


This Order name follows the pattern of naming an order after two objects or heraldic charges, seen in "Medieval Secular Order Names," Juliana de Luna (http://heraldry.sca.org/laurel/names/order/new/). This spelling of dragon is seen c. 1400 (COED). Fireside, originally the two seats to the left and the right of a fire under the chimney (hearth), is dated to 1563. The original hope for the name was “the Dragons Fireside,” but possessives are rare in period Orders and don't apply to most creatures beyond saints.


The closest potential conflict may be with William of Sark "Either the name or the following device associated it (or both) were registered in January of 1973: Sable, a flame proper., where there would be a DC for the divided field, but perhaps not a second because of the forced move of the flame, to avoid a tincture contrast with the Or portion of the field. William's device is the subject of a precedent from 2002 (http://heraldry.sca.org/loar/2002/05/02-05lar.html ), in which it is mentioned: "William's armory is emblazoned as an Or flame voided gules: an "old-SCA-style" proper flame. Rúadhán's armory is emblazoned with alternating gules and Or tongues of flame: a "new-SCA-style" (or real-world style) proper flame....We therefore rule that, as a special case due to the SCA history of the charge, there will be no difference given between the various emblazons of flames proper." [Rúadhán Súilghlas, R-An Tir, 05/2002] This may be reason for return.

9. Yehoshua ben Abraam: DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2014

Or, two pea-vines fructed and entwined about a stake, on a chief vert three stars of David Or.


The name was registered June 2014.


The original submission was returned for redrawing for violating SENA A2C2 which states "Elements must be drawn to be identifiable." While the plant here is obviously a vine, without leaves it is not readily identifiable as a pea-vine; similarly, it is impossible to tell that there are two vines, as opposed to merely one plant. We suggest the submitter consider just a single pea plant. Pea plants in period armory show both leaves and pods.

This device is also returned for the placement of the stars of David upon the chief; a chief is too narrow for most charges to be in a two-and-one arrangement, and no evidence was presented of three charges on a chief arranged two-and-one in period armory.

The client wants two pea-vines, and he is agreeable to having the stars of Davice in fess on the chief. Thanks to Orle for the splendid vines!


I was assisted in the preparation of this Letter of Intent by Basil Dragonstrike, Alexandra Vazquez de Granada, Alys Mackyntoich, Gunnvor silfraharr, Madog Hir of Aire Faucon and Sorcha inghen Chon Mhara.


There is 1 New Name, 1 New Household Name, 4 New Order Names, 2 New Devices, 5 New Badges and 2 Device resubmissions. This is a total of 14 items, 12 of them new.


Thank you to those who have provided your great indulgence and patience, your expertise and your willingness to share it thus far, and to those who will do the same as this is presented to the College entire.







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