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Unto Their Royal Majesties Morgan and Livia; Master Seamus McDaid, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Parhelium Herald!

This is the October 2007 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. The last day for commentary on the submissions considered for the November 2007 Letter of Intent is 31 October 2007.

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Please consider the following submissions for the November 2007 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Adaleide de Warewic (Wealhhnutu): NEW DEVICE

Per chevron azure and gules, a chevron Or between three dogwood blossoms one and two and a tower argent.

The name was registered July 2006.

Edward Harrison (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly aznre and sable, an eagle argent.

The name is English. Edward is a masculine given name of Anglo-Saxon origin that remained popular even after the Norman Conquest. It is found in “Given Names from Early 13th Century England,” Talan Gwynek ( ) from records dated c. 1230-c. 1247. Edwardus (most likely called Edward in the vernacular) is found in “14th Century Worcestershire Names,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael

( ). Although undated, Harrison is a common English family name; Hennerisonne is dated to 1354 (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 218, s.n. Harrison). Harrison is also the client’s legal surname.

The client will not accept major changes to the name. He wishes a male name, is most interested in the sound of the name and wishes it authentic for time period (no time period specified).

Gawin Nortmann (Twin Moons): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, November 2006

Gyronny arrondi azure and Or, a pellet.

The name was registered January 2005.

The original badge submission Gyronny arrondi azure and Or., was returned for a direct conflict with Ottar Hrafnsson: Gyronny arrondy Or and azure.

Rowena of Cornwell (Ered Sul): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, a Rod of Aesculapius proper, headed by a Celtic triquetrum sable voided Or, entwined by a winged snake vert.

Rowena appears as a feminine name in Geoffrey of Monmouth’s History of the Kings of Britain, written in the mid-12th C. (Withycombe, 3rd edition, p. 259, s.n. Rowena). Cornwall is a county in southwestern England ( ); when the Romans abandoned Britain, Cornwall came under Saxon influence, and following the Norman conquest, the first real integration of Cornwall into Britain took place. The client desires a female name and will not accept major or minor changes to the name.

Thomas Cyriak Bonaventure (Granholme) NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Local, May 2006

Gules, in pale a compass star surmounting an annulet Or and two swords in saltire sable, enflamed Or.

The name is English Thomas is the client’s legal given name; it is also a popular masculine name in England following the Norman Conquest (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, pp. 443-4). Cyriak is the name of a Roman martyr, invoked against temptation and diabolical possession, particularly at the time of one’s death; he is one of the 14 Holy Helpers. The name is seen spelled as Cyriac in the Catholic Culture website, , but a 10th C. monastic church dedicated to St. Cyriakus is found in Gernrode, Germany ( ). Bonaventure is an English surname; it is undated with this spelling, but appears as a given name in 1642 with this spelling (Reaney and Wilson, 3rd edition, p. 52, s.n. Bonaventure).

The client desires a masculine name, and is most interested in the sound of the name. He will accept changes to the name, only that Bonaventure cannot be changed.

Timothy Blackwell (Atenveldt): DEVICE RSUBMISSION from Kingdom, April 2007

Azure, a phoenix Or and a bordure sable.

The name appears in the April 2007 Letter of Intent.

The previous submission, Per saltire sable and azure, a phoenix Or., was returned for conflict.

The following submissions appear in the October 2007 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Anita de Challis (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A seeblatt per pale gules and Or.

The name was registered February 2000. The badge incorporates charges and tinctures of her registered device, Gules, a seeblatt and a chief doubly arched Or. This is clear of Karl von Schattenburg, (Fieldless) A seeblatt Or.; and Caitlin Davies, (Fieldless) Per pale gules and argent., with 1 CD for fieldlessness and 1 CD for complete or half tincture change of the primary charge.

Guido Dragonetti (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron inverted Or and gules, in chief a wyvern couchant contourny gules maintaining a wooden lute proper.

The name is Italian. Guido is a masculine given name found multiple times in “Italian Renaissance Men's Names,” Ferrante LaVolpe

( ). Dragonetti is an Italian family name found in “Family Names Appearing in the Catasto of 1427,” Ferrante LaVolpe ( ). The client desires a male name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name; he wishes it authentic for Italian.

Lisia Anna Fiorelli (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, a chevronel inverted vert and another gules, in chief three poppies gules.

The name is Italian. Lisia is a feminine given name in “Italian names from Imola, 1312,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( ). Anna is a feminine given name in “Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names,” Arval Benicoeur and Talan Gwynek ( ). Fiorelli is a surname found in “List of surnames (SURNAM1) found in the Tratte,” R. Butt Litchfield ( ). The client desires a female name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name; she wishes it authentic for Italian.

An alternate blazon could be Or, two chevronels inverted vert and gules, in chief three poppies gules.

Seamus McDaid (Twin Moons): NEW BADGE

(Fieldless) A shamrock per pale azure and argent.

The name was registered December 1999. The badge incorporates charges and tinctures of his registered device, Per pale argent and azure, a shamrock counterchanged. This is clear of Catriona Muireaghan of Carlingford, (Fieldless) A shamrock per pale vert and argent.; Rose Bailie Marsh, Ermine, a shamrock per pale azure and vert., with 1 CD for fieldlessness and 1 CD for half tincture change of the primary charge.

The following Atenveldt submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, June 2007:

Alysandir Velzian. Device. Per fess vert and sable, three swords in pile inverted, tips crossed, proper.

The LoI stated "Consider Deaton Claymore, badge: Vert, two claymores in saltire surmounted by a third inverted proper. There is a possible RfS X.5 Visual Test conflict, with the orientaiton [sic] of the swords, although we're hoping that there is not." There is not a visual conflict - the field and arrangement are sufficiently different. Nor is there a technical conflict, with CDs for the field and arrangement. We note that there is not a CD for the type of sword, nor is there a CD for changing the orientation of one of three charges in this arrangement.

Atenveldt, Barony of. Order name Order of the Palm Leaf of the Barony of Atenveldt.

Submitted as Order of the Palm Frond of the Barony of Atenveldt, the name has two problems. First, the earliest date we have found for the word frond is 1753; the Oxford English Dictionary s.n. frond, gives this date. Barring documentation that the word frond is found in period, it is not registerable as part of an order name. The submitters indicated that if frond was not registerable, they would accept leaf instead. The OED has leafe, s.n. leaf, dated to 1565, and shows many spellings without the trailing -e, so leaf should be an acceptable substitute. Second, the name as a whole does not follow period patterns of Order names, because it contains a branch designator. While we have patterns of [X] of [placename], we have no examples where a designator such as kingdom, barony, or town is used. In general, branch designators may not be used in order names. However, the submitters have already registered Order of the Palm of the Barony of Atenveldt, so this usage is grandfathered to them. We have changed the name to Order of the Palm Leaf of the Barony of Atenveldt in order to register it.

The barony requested that the badge submitted in November 2006, Gules, two palm trees couped, trunks crossed in saltire, proper and in chief palm frond fesswise vert, be associated with this name. However, that badge was returned on the March 2007 LoAR.

Aziza al-Labu'a bint Ibrahim ibn Rashid al-Rahhala and Chaninai al-Zarqa' bint Ibrahim ibn Rashid. Joint badge. Per pale wavy argent and sable, a pair of human footprints counterchanged.

Blazoned on the LoI as Per fess wavy argent and sable, a pair of human footprints counterchanged, as the majority of the commenters noted that this is actually per pale this need not be pended for further conflict checking. The use of footprints is a step from period practice.

Ciar ingen Eógain. Device. Per fess embattled argent and vert, a bee sable and a rose argent.

Deborah Inis Glas. Augmentation. Vert, a camelopard statant contourny Or spotted sable, a bordure Or and for augmentation, on a canton overall azure a sun in his glory issuant from base Or within a bordure argent.

Elena Stavraki. Name.

Stavraki is the submitter's legal surname. The submitter requested an authentic Greek name. However, we have no evidence that Stavraki is a period byname or a period spelling. For Elena, Albion notes: <Elena> (epsilon-lambda-epsilon-nu-alpha) can be found in the LGPN (<>), three times in vol. 1, twice in vol. 3a, and twice in vol. 3b. Also, the form <Helene> is dated to 1407 in Bardas's "Personal Names of the Aristocracy in the Roman Empire During the Later Byzantine Era" (<>). While the given name is appropriate for at least some contexts in period, and while this is a fine modern Greek name, we are unable to say whether the name as a whole is authentic for a Greek in period.

Irena of Tir Ysgithr. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Argent goutty de sang, a penguin statant affronty head to dexter sable bellied argent and in chief two bars purpure.

Submitted under the name Arkina Rshtuni.

Jacqueline Jallier. Name.

Submitted as Jacquelin Jallier, the submitter requested an authentic feminine French name. The submitted documentation for Jacquelin, "Dictionnaire des noms de famille de France et d'ailleurs", (, shows this as a masculine name. For a feminine name, we would expect Jacqueline; this spelling is found dated to 1591 in Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, "Names Found in Ambleny Registers 1578-1616", ( There was some question whether the surname Jallier was found in period. An artist named Noel Jallier painted murals in the Chateau de Ranton between 1546-1549 according to "The History of the Chateau de Ranton", ( There are several references on the web to this artist, both in English and in French. There is no reason to believe that this is not the spelling used by the artist. We have changed the name to Jacqueline Jallier to make the name feminine; we believe this is an authentic 16th C French name, but cannot guarantee that this is the case.

Livia Alexandra Severa. Device. Gyronny gules and ermine, a cobra erect tail nowed vert.

Marlene of York. Reblazon of device. Azure, a mink lying on its back head to sinister between in pale a rose and a compass star of twelve points argent.

Registered in January 1973 with the blazon, Azure, a mink involved between in pale a rose and a compass-star of twelve points argent, the mink is more horizontal (lying on its back) than circular (in annulo, or involved). We note that the LoARs that we have access to blazoned the original submission as Azure, a mink involved between in pale a rose and a mullet of six greater and six lesser points argent. We are unsure when the blazon changed from a mullet of six greater and six lesser points to a compass-star of twelve points, but we have elected to use the blazon as it appears in the O&A. The blazons are equivalent.

Uther the Dark and Christopher FitzArthur of Walland Marsh. Joint badge. Per fess sable and gules, a winged stag segreant argent between in chief six mullets in chevron Or.

The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms for further work, June 2007:

Arenvald the Wanderer. Name and device. Per bend raguly azure and vert, in sinister chief a hawk's head erased argent.

This name contains two bynames and no given name; RfS III.2.a says "A personal name must contain a given name and at least one byname." Although the submitter cites Withycombe, The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, s.n. Arnold, the etymology she gives for this name has been shown to be incorrect: [Strom Arneswold] Regarding the submitted byname Arenvald, the only support found for this spelling was in Withycombe, as noted by Metron Ariston: The usual source cited for Old German Arenvald is Withycombe (Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names) who under Arnold notes "Old German Arenvald, compound of Arin 'eagle', and vald 'power'." Withycombe's strengths lie in English. In this case, her information does not agree with that in Bahlow. Hund provided the information that Bahlow and Brechenmacher have regarding this name: According to Balhow under Arnwaldt does not mean Arnold as -waldt and -old are significantly different. However, it can be construed as a place name like Buch-wald, usw.. Brechenmacher under Arnswald(e) has Arneswold dated to 1358 and Arnswold dated to 1400, both as surnames.

Lacking support for the form Arenvald other than in the reference in Withycombe, we have changed this byname to the period form Arneswold in order to register this name. [Strom Arneswold, 04/2003 LoAR, A-Caid] The examples in Bahlow and Brechenmacher mentioned above are surnames based on placenames; these surnames do not appear appropriate for use as given names. Therefore, this name lacks a given name and must be returned. We note that the byname, the Wanderer, is an SCA-compatible English byname.

This device is returned for conflict with two of James Addison of Woolpit's badges, Per fess embowed-counter-embowed azure and argent, in sinister chief a dove's head erased argent and Per bend azure and argent, in sinister chief a dove's head erased argent. In each case there is a CD for changes to the field. However, there is not a CD for placement of the bird's heads since James's dove's heads cannot be on the argent portion of the badges. A comparison of the emblazons shows insufficient difference to grant a CD between a hawk's head and a dove's head.

Arkina Rshtuni. Name.

No documentation was submitted and none found to suggest that the name Arkina was used as a given name in period. There is evidence that Arkina is the modern spelling of a period placename Erginay (James Howard-Johnson, The Armenian History Attributed to Sebeos, p 99). Barring evidence that Arkina was a period given name, it cannot be registered as a given name. Her device was registered under the holding name Irena of Tir Ysgithr.

Cailin Mac Kinnach. Name.

Aural conflict with Colin McKenna, registered April 1999. The given names are both pronounced roughly \KAHL-in\, while the bynames differ in pronunciation only in the final consonant. In resubmitting, here are some things the submitter may want to consider. First, the spelling Kinnach is a header form in Black, The Surnames of Scotland. Header forms must be shown to be consistent with period spellings to be registerable; no documentation showing this was presented. Second, the name mixes Scots and Gaelic. While such mixtures are registerable, we have no evidence that they were ever found in period. Instead, a name would be recorded in a fully Scots form in a Scots document and in a fully Gaelic form in a Gaelic document. If the submitter is interested in adding a descriptive byname such as Og "Young", the fully Gaelic name Cailin Og mac Cainnich would be clear of the cited conflict. Cainnich is a 15th C genitive form of Cainneach according to Sharon Krossa, "Cainneach (Scottish Gaelic Given Names for Men)" (; this is the article from which the submitted patronymic was documented. The Gaelic byname Og is found in 1428 in the Annals of the Four Masters in the name Aodh Og Mhag Uidhir.


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