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30 October 2002, A.S. XXXVII

Kingdom of Atenveldt





Unto Their Royal Majesties Aaron and Alisandra; Mistress Magdelen Venturosa, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!



This is the October 2002 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It contains local submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. You are welcome to comment both on submissions being considered for a future LoI and those already in an LoI; mistakes do get made, and I can correct ones, even on those submissions already at the Laurel level. Please have your comments to me 15 November. I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry: brickbat@nexiliscom.com.



Heraldic Visitation (all right, it's a Consultation Table) in Windale: My lord-husband, Symond Bayard le Gris, and I will be traveling to the mundane borders of the Barony of Starkhavn on Sunday, 17 November. We'll be passing through the Shire of Windale at the time of the Shire's Sunday afternoon fighter practice. Lord Gregoire le Gris (no relation to Symond) has agreed that this might be a good opportunity to have an Heraldic Consultation Table at that practice, and I'd like to do so. We won't be bringing as many resources as usually are found at larger Consultation Tables , we will try to accommodate anyone who wants to "talk heraldry" with us, research names and armory, check on the status of current submissions, and the like. This should also be a great deal less frenetic that the War Table. I'll be accepting submissions at this Table. I strongly encourage anyone with questions or ideas about a name or a device or a badge to contact me ahead of time. I am more than happy to discuss ideas--primarily online, where sketches and such can be emailed back and forth for conflict checking, etc. I hope to be in Windale around noon on 17 November, and we are planning to stay for at least two hours, or until everyone has been met. The populace contacts for Windale, Aurochsford and the Hawks Rest shores have been notified.



Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms can be found there. Please let your local populace know about it: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.



Please consider the following submissions for the November 2002 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:



Caterina Amiranda della Quercia (Tir Ysgithr): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2002

(fieldless) A demi-dragon contorny sable issuant from a tankard reversed argent.

The name was registered March 1999.

The original submission, (Fieldless) A tankard argent., was returned for conflict with Giles MacManus, Per bend sinister sable and gules, a tankard argent. There is only one CD, for fieldlessness. The addition of the demi-dragon, as a sustained charge (equal in visual weight to the tankard) should provide the second CD.



The following submissions appear in the 20 October 2002 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:



Alaric Grümper (Aurochsford): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, January 2002

Argent, on a bend wavy gules between a cart proper and a warhammer reversed sable handled of wood proper a chain thoughout argent.

The name was registered January 2002.

The original submission (Argent, on a bend gules between a cart proper and a warhammer reversed sable handled of wood proper a chain thoughout argent.) was returned for conflict with Ceridwen of Esterfen, Argent, on a bend gules a cat sejant affronty palewise argent. There is 1 CD

for adding the secondary charges, but nothing for changing the type only of the tertiary charge, since this device is not simple under RfS X.4.j.ii. (there is no meaningful posture comparison between a chain and a cat, so that the palewise orientation of the cat does not cause this to be considered change oftype and orientation of the tertiary charge. Such a change, if present, would be a CD under RfS X.4.j.i.). Giving the bend a complex line of division provides the second CD needed to clear this design of conflict from Ceridwen's registered armory.



Alessandro delle Alpi (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, a bull rampant and a chief indented argent.

The name is Italian. Alessandro is found in "Fourteenth Century Venetian Personal Names," Arval Benicoeur and Talan Gwynek. delle Alpi, "of the Alps," is taken from Webster's New World Italian Dictionary, pocket edition. Against Brian Sebastian Aldobrandi, Azure, a bull salient reguardant and on a chief argent a chain sable., there is one CD for difference in the line of division used on the chief and 1 CD for addition of a tertiary charge.



Alizaunde Thorgeirsson (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, a chief inarched argent between two fleurs-de-lys and a Thor's hammer Or.

The name is French and Norse. Under Alison, Withycombe comments that it (Alison) is a pet-name for Alice, formed by adding -on to the French A(a)lis; it was common in France from the 13th C. forward and often treated as an independent name (p. 16). Under Alice, the Old French form is listed as Aliz (pp. 15-16), which might suggest the spelling as Alizon. The submitter contends that Alizaunde could also be considered a diminutive of Aliz, based on the formation of Alizon. There is one instance of Alizaunde being registered by the CoA, to Alizaunde de Bregeuf, in November 1982 (aka, When Dinosaurs Ruled the Earth). Any insight or support for this conjecture is appreciated. Nordiskt runnamnslexikon , http://www.dal.lu.se/runlex/index.htm, shows Þorgeirr as an Old West Norse form of Þórgæirr (p. 210). Given the spelling of the given name, it seems that the byname should be spelled with the Th- rather than the earlier Þ-. The submitter is using this as a marriage name, as Haakon Thorgeirrson is her legal husband.

This unusual chevron variant is called a chevron inarched in Parker's A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry, p. 109, as used in the armory of Holbeame (Holbane); Papworth calls it an chevron enarched. Neither source dates the granting of the arms to Holbeame. I've been unable to find any dates for this particular family, or much information, other than the heiress of Holbeame married Marwood, and that Fox-Davies' Armorial Families, c. 1895, did not list either family as an "active" arms-holding family in the late 19th C. If anyone has information on when this charge might've come into use, other than Parker comments it as found in "modern heraldic designs," we would be much indebted for it.



Damian Blackthorne of the Sea (Ered Sul): NAME RESUBMISSION from Laurel (change of holding name, "Damian of Ered Sul"), 7/02

The original name submission, Damian Blackthorne, was returned for conflict with the registered name Damon Blackthorn. Adding the epithet clears the conflict.



Eadric Longfellow (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale gules and azure, two stalks of barley crossed in saltire, a bordure Or.

The name is English. Eadric is a masculine given name, an Old English form of the later Edric ("Men's Given Names from Early 13th Century England,"Talan Gwynek (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/talan/eng13/eng13m.html)). Longfellow is an English surname, undoubtedly with its origins as a descriptive byname. It can be dated to 1475 as Langfelley, and again to1639, within the SCA "grey period," as Longfellow (Reaney and Wilsom, p. 220). The submitter doesn't mind the chronological lapses in the name elements.

This design, particularly colored in, is nothing less than lovely!



Eric Haukeseye (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend sable and gules, a bow bendwise and a hawk's head erased Or.



Geneviève de Saint-Cirq-Lapopie (Granite Mountain): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2001

Purpure, a sun Or eclipsed by a moon in her plentitude azure on a chief Or three compass stars azure.

The name was registered June 2001.

The submitter's original submission, Purpure, a sun Or eclipsed by a moon in her plentitude azure between three compass stars argent., was returned for containing two similar but not identical charge types on the field: suns and compass stars. This has been disallowed for some time as the combination reduces the distinctiveness and thus the identifiability of both charges. [ There was also the comment that as with other forms of eclipsing, a sun eclipsed of a moon in her plenitude is registerable (as the equivalent to on a sun a moon in her plenitude) but a discouraged practice.] The compass stars have been moved off the field and banished to tertiary status in order to reduce visual confusion with the sun, a primary charge.



Gerold the Bald (Iron Wood Loch): NEW DEVICE

Per fess gules and sable, a fess embattled-counterembattled and in base an eagle's head erased argent.

The name was registered July 2002.



Haakon Thorgiersson (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, a chevron inarched argent between a drakkar and a Thor's hammer Or.

The name is Norse. Haakon is the name of several kings of Norway, from the 9th to the 12th Centuries. Nordiskt runnamnslexikon , http://www.dal.lu.se/runlex/index.htm, shows earlier versions as the Old Norse and Old West Norse Hákon and the Old Swedish Hakon and Hakan (p. 88). The same source show Þorgeirr as an Old West Norse form of Þórgæirr (p. 210). Given the spelling of the given name, it seems that the byname should be spelled with the Th- rather than the earlier Þ-.

This unusual chevron variant is called a chevron inarched in Parker's A Glossary of Terms Used in Heraldry, p. 109, as used in the armory of Holbeame (Holbane); Papworth calls it an chevron enarched. Neither source dates the granting of the arms to Holbeame. I've been unable to find any dates for this particular family, or much information, other than the heiress of Holbeame married Marwood, and that Fox-Davies' Armorial Families, c. 1895, did not list either family as an "active" arms-holding family in the late 19th C. If anyone has information on when this charge might've come into use, other than Parker comments it as found in "modern heraldic designs," we would be much indebted for it.



MariAnn of Atenveldt (Atenveldt): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME to Ailleann inghean Riobeirt Fhrancaigh, from Laurel, March 2002

The submitter's original name submission, Aileann inghean Fhrancaigh, was returned January 2002 (a holding name was assigned two months later to associate with armory registered in March) for non-documentation of the given name spelling (all documentation submitted, and that found by the College, has a double 'l' in the given name); and the construction of the byname inghean Fhrancaigh, 'daughter [of] French', where 'French' describes her father. No evidence has been found to support a Gaelic patronymic byname that is based only on a father's descriptive byname when that byname refers to a location. It was shown that a patronymic byname formed from both the father's given name and his descriptive byname that refers to a location has been documented. The "Annals of Connacht" (http://www.ucc.ie/celt/online/G100011/), entry 1401.3, lists "Tomas mac Emainn Albanaig .i. Mac Uilliam Burc, tigerna Gall Connacht" which translates as 'Thomas son of Edmund Albanach, Macwilliam Burke, lord of the Galls of Connacht'. The CoA suggested a name construction following this form, such as Ailleann inghean Domhnaill Fhrancaigh, meaning 'Ailleann daughter [of the] French Donald'. The submitter has corrected the spelling of the given name, and the byname means, "daughter (of the) French Robert." This Gaelic form of Robert, Roibeart, is found in "Faclair Gàidhlig - Beurla, Gaelic - English Dictionary" (http://www.sst.ph.ic.ac.uk/angus/Faclair/R.html). The submitter will accept grammar and spelling corrections as needed.



Ragnar Gunnarsson (Twin Moons): NEW NAME

The name is Old Norse. Ragnarr is found in "Viking Names found in the Landnámabók," Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/landnamabok.htm), so the spelling might have to be adjusted slightly. Gunnarr is a masculine given name found in An Introduction to Old Norse, Second Edition, E.V. Gordon, revised by A.R. Taylor, Oxford, p. 405. According the the construction forms, seen in "A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names," Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/sg-viking.htm) it seems that the correct spelling of the byname is Gunnarson (with a given name ending in -rr changing to -rs in the formation of the patronymic.



Romanus Castelyn (Iron Wood Loch): NAME RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2002

The submitter's original name submission, Romanus de Castelyn, was returned for combining the locative particle de, "of," with the occupational byname Castelyn (a chastelain), which is not a plausible combination. The submitter has taken the CoA suggestion to drop the preposition in order to make a correct construction.



Rurik Levushka Ul'ianov (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 2001

Ermine, a lion dormant contourny gules and a bordure azure.



Steffan von Hessen (Tir Ysgithr): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, 7/02

Or, goutty de sang, a pall inverted engrailed between two eagles displayed sable and a rose gules.

The name was registered July 2002.

The original submission (identical blazon) was returned for redrawing, as there were far too many, too small drops on the emblazon; there was also a problem with the blazon as it appeared in the LoI. Both of these issues have been resolved.



Suzanne du Soleil (Atenveldt): DEVICE REDESIGN from Kingdom, September 2002

Per chevron inverted argent and sable, a sun in splendor sable eclipsed Or and a lily argent.

The name was registered June 2002.

Her orginal submission (Sable, a lily and on a chief triangular argent, a sun in glory Or.) was being considered for the September 2002 LoI, but it had several problems (a contrast violation with the Or sun on an argent background and an incorrectly drawn chief triangular). I contacted the lady, and she is happy with using a sable sun eclipsed (the Or portion of the sun allows the facial features to be clearly seen, while the black rays give good contrast, and she has chosen a line of division that is similar to a chief triangular but which allows the charge to be a primary rather than tertiary one and to be drawn nice and big for easy identification.



Tóra Sværradottir (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron azure and purpure, two Thor's hammers and a wolf sejant ululant argent.

The name is Old Norse. Tóra is a femininine given name (Nordiskt runnamnslexikon , http://www.dal.lu.se/runlex/index.htm, p. 201). Sværri is an Old West Norse masculine given name (ibid, p. 194). The patronymic construction follows the guidelines seen in "A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names," Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/sg-viking.htm).



Ulfgar Thegnson (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and BADGE (jointly held with Ragnar Thegnson)

Per bend sinister wavy argent and azure, two bearded axes crossed in saltire sable and three Thor's hammers Or.

The name is Old Norse. Ulfgar has been registered only once in the Armorial (Ulfar the Unspeakable in August 1980). However, Ulfr is a masculine given name (Institute for Dialectology, Onomastics and Folklore Research, Nordiskt runnamnslexikon, http://www.dal.lu.se/runlex/index.htm), and this site gives a number of compound names based upon Ulf-, such as Ulkfrikr and Ulfied.It also shows the name Old Norse name Ulfgæirr, with the Old Danish Ulfger and the Old West Norse Úlfgeirr.. Thegn/Þegn is an Old Swedish name, and from the documentation (Nordiskt runnamnslexikon), it seems that the Old (West) Norse form might be Thiægn/Þiagn. The construction of the byname follows the patterns found in "A Simple Guide to Creating Old Norse Names," Aryanhwy merch Catmael (http://www.sit.wisc.edu/~sfriedemann/names/sg-viking.htm). The submitter will accept minor changes for the name.

If registered the badge is to be jointly owned with Ragnar Thegnson.



Wolf Strongarm (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME AND DEVICE (Per pale sable and Or, a death's head counterchanged.)

N.B. There was some question about the combination of German (Wolf) and English (Strongarm) name elements. The CoA permits this combination, although it is considered a "weirdness" (that is, an anomaly that is unlikely to have been found in period onomastics). For a quick and dirty list of these permitted and prohibited combinations, there is a table found on the January 2002 LoAR Cover Letter (http://www.sca.org/heraldry/loar/2002/01/02-01cl.html).



I remain,







Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716

brickbat@nexiliscom.com; Atenveldt Submissions Website: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com



References

Bahlow, Hans. Deutsches Namenlexicon. 1967.

Black, George F. The Surnames of Scotland. The New York Public Library Press, NY.

Ó Corráin, Donnchadh and Fidelma Maguire. Irish Names. The Lilliput Press, Dublin, 1990.

MacLysaght, Edward. The Surnames of Ireland. Dublin, Irish Academic Press, 1991.

Morgan, T. J. and Prys Morgan. Welsh Surnames. Cardiff, University of Wales Press, 1985.

Reaney, P.H. and R. M. Wilson. A Dictionary of English Surnames, 2nd Edition, 1976 (reprinted 1979).

Withycombe, E.G., The Oxford Dictionary of English Christian Names, 3rd Edition. London, Oxford University Press, 1977.


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