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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 10 January 2015, A.S. XLIX
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Brian and Lia; Baron Tymothy Smythson, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!



This is the January 2015 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation; it precedes the Letter of Intent with submissions considered for the next Letter of Intent. Please have commentary to me by 20 January 2015.


Heraldry Hut: The January Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 16 January, beginning at 7:30 PM. Please contact me for location.


Please consider the following submissions for the January 2015 Letter of Intent:

Helena Harra Arial (BoA): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per bend sinister azure and gules, a Luna moth Or and a scorpion argent.

The name is Spanish. All elements date between 1589 and 1627. Helena is a female given name, seen with Helen Abiles Garcia, christened 6 May 1627 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:FR4V-MHX, Batch C89065-1). The patronymic Harra is seen with Felipe Martinez Harra https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5K3-2DQ, C86242-1). (It should be noted that here, Martinez is the father's byname, Harra the mother's, so this rather turns into a double matronymic.) The matronymic Arial is found with Felipa Arial, spouse of Gonzalo Rodriguez, the wedding date 11 Jan 1609 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F543-SYT, Batch M87106-1). While SENA Appendix C permits <given name + double byname>, it doesn't address the double byname of a patronymic + matronymic. Several examples of this are found in late period names: Juan Ximenez Albarez, christening date 1637 (https://familysearch.org/pal://MM9.1.1/F5FR-2BS, C89030-1) mother's name Ysabel Albarez; Felipe Martinez Harra, christening date 1589 (https://familysearch.org/pal:/MM9.1.1/F5K3-2DQ, C86242-1), mother's name Maria Harra. The client desires a female name and does not want Harra changed; other changes are acceptable.

The luna moth (Actias luna) is a New World species, and so is a step from period practice. Other Old World species have similar long tails on their wings; should one of these be considered, or should this simply be blazoned as a moth and consider the fancy bits as artistic license?


Gráinne Ni Mháille (BoA): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale vert and argent, an olive tree eradicated counterchanged fructed sable, a base rayonny Or.

The name is Irish Gaelic. Unfortunately, it is in direct conflict with the female Irish pirate Grace O'Malley (c. 1530-c. 1603). When Grace O'Malley is Googled, the Irish form of her name is almost always included in the entry. I would suspect that the historical figure is important/well-known enough to consider the use of her name presumptuous (SENA PN.4.D.1. Non-SCA People Protected from Presumption), but I could always be wrong. Were the name considered presumptuous, could a patronymic or a descriptive be added to the name in order to clear the conflict? How would that be done? The client desires a female name and is most interested in the Irish language/culture.

This is a lovely, very identifiable olive tree.


Jaku'an Kakujo (Sundragon): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom,

Sable, a hemp leaf within an annulet argent.

The name was registered December 2014.

The original submission was withdraw at the client's request, June 2014. The client includes in documentation the period uses of hemp as a fiber and as a medicinal, in addition to its display in the period armory of Teodoro da Vlaperga (d. 1461/2), Barry gules and Or, a plant of hemp vert with flowers argent. The documentation appears in OSCAR.


Muireen ben Duibh Dara (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE
Vert, a mermaid argent drawing a bow to sinister sable, on a chief argent two sprigs of two acorns proper, slipped and leaved vert.

The name is Irish Gaelic. Submitted as Muireen, the name appears actually to be Muirenn, a feminine Old Irish Gaelic and Middle Irish Gaelic given name (643-979, “Index of Names in Irish Annals: Muirenn,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Feminine/Muirenn.shtml). Dub Dara is a masculine Middle Irish name(961-1146) with the genitive Duibh Dara (“Index of Names in Irish Annals: Dub Darach, Dub Dara / Dubh Darach, Dubh Dara, Dubhdara,” Mari Elspeth nic Bryan, http://medievalscotland.org/kmo/AnnalsIndex/Masculine/DubDara.shtml); that citation shows the genitive used in collaboration with the patronymic mac). From the March 2012 LoAR Cover Letter: “In Gaelic, the pre-1200 word meaning "wife" is ben, while the post-1200 word is bean. It is followed by the name of her husband in the genitive (possessive) form. Names have been found using the husband's complete name, his given name, and his byname.” This should be clear of Muirenn ingen Dara, registered August 2000, with the addition of the element Duibh. The client desires a female name and is most interested in Irish culture/language. She will not accept Major changes to the name.

I'm not certain whether this should be blazoned as a brunet mermaid, as her hair appears to be brown.


Sibyll Hunter (Sundragon): NEW DEVICE

Erminois, in pale a fox salient gules marked sable, three wolf's teeth issuant from dexter and three wolf's teeth issuant from sinister sable.

The name appears in the 30 November 2014 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

This style of wolf's teeth was register to Magnus Wolfhunte, October 2008: Counter-ermine, a fer-a-loup inverted, three wolf's teeth issuant from dexter and three wolf's teeth issuant from sinister argent. (The emblazon appears here: http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=7151.)


Unna Hjalmarsdottir (Twin Moons): NEW NAME CHANGE AND NEW DEVICE CHANGE, from Francesca Valentina d'Ivrea

Or, on a bend sinister wavy azure between a Viking helmet affronty an a drakkar sable, a scarp wavy argent.

The name is Old Norse. Una/Unna is female given name, found in Old Danish as Una, and in in Old Swedish and OW.Norse as Una, Unna (http://vikinganswerlady.com/ONWomensNames.shtml#u). Hjálmr is found in OW. Norse as both a male given name and a byname (http://vikinganswerlady.com/ONMensNames.shtml#Hjalm). If a name ends in -r, it will change to -s in forming a patronymic for a daughter: Hjálmsdóttir (Hjalmsdottir can be used, with the diacriticals uniformly dropped.). I don't know if the spelling variation can be documented. The client desires a female name and is most interested in the Old Norse language/culture. If registered, the currently-registered name is to be retained as an alternate.

If the new device is registered, the current device, Argent, a violet purpure slipped and leaved vert, a chief embattled gules., should be retained as a badge.


The following was returned for further work by the Atenveldt College of Heralds, December 2014:

Kára bean ui Driscole (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME CHANGE from Kára Hanadóttir and DEVICE REUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2012: Vert, a phoenix head to sinister and a sinister gore argent.

There was a lot of commentary on the name construction in the Internal Letter of Intent (https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=2987), and that information will be forwarded to the client for clarification. The device appears clear of conflict.


The following submissions appear in the December 2014 Letter of Intent:

Complete commentary can be found at the OSCAR website, specifically https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=2982 and https://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=100&loi=2987. This is an abbreviated form of the commentary, and I encourage you to read the full form.

Commentary was provided by ffride wlffsdotter (fw), Jeanne Marie Lacroix (JML), Magnus von Lübeck (MvL), Maridonna Benvenuti (MB), Michael Gerard Curtememoire (MGC), Vettorio Antonello (VA) and Marta (MMM).


Candice Libel (Sundragon): NEW BADGE

Per fess Or and azure, in pale two dragonflies fesswise that in chief reversed vert and argent.

The name was registered September 2014.

I've used the blazon associated with the badge for Catalina Sebastià de Valençia, registered July 2014, Gules, in pale two dragonflies fesswise that in base reversed Or.


Caye Dance the stori-makere: NEW NAME

<Caye> is a 16th C English given name found in the Family Search Historical Records: Caye Renfrye; Female; Marriage; 22 Nov 1592; Breage, Cornwall, England; Batch: M01554-1 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NK1Q-XXL)

<Dance> is a 16th C English surname found in the Family Search Historical Records:

Agnes Dance; Female; Burial; 17 May 1596; Tydd-St. Mary, Lincoln, England; Batch: B03306-3 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:JCMW-22X); and Ane Dance; Female; Christening; 20 Nov 1570; Naunton Beauchamp, Worcester, England; Batch: C04025-2 (https://familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NLTD-CHX).

The term <stori-makere> is period, dated to 1500 s.n. storie in the Middle English Dictionary. Thank you, Blue Tyger!


Conchobar of Aquaterra (St. Felix): NEW NAME

This form is the Middle Irish Gaelic (c900-c1200) nominative form of the given name: Conchobar. (MvL)


Elisabetta di Scarlatto della Luna (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE:Per fess azure and vert, a fess indented on the upper edge between a decrescent argent and two arrow crossed in saltire Or.

Blazon as: "Per fess azure and vert, a fess indented to chief between a decrescent argent and two arrows in saltire Or." (MvL)
Is that a fess? It looks like it starts at the center-line and takes up like 1/3rd the upper half of the shield instead of the center 1/3rd. I could be wrong, just looks odd to my eyes. (VA) It's not precisely half and half, but this ought to be acceptable. (MMM)


Frances Rae Cole Fisher (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per fess engrailed argent and azure, three drakkars under sail gules and three fish fretted in triangle Or.

This appears to be the form of three fretted fish from the online Pictorial Dictionary, http://mistholme.com/dictionary/fish/. (MGC)
At http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html#default a ship's default orientation is "Fesswise, bow to dexter". Therefore, the blazon should be Per fess engrailed argent and azure, three drakkars under sail to sinister gules and three fish fretted in triangle Or. (MGC)


Granite Mountain, Barony of: NAME CHANGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 1996

The territorial group's original name, Leafolke Shire, was registered July 1979 (there was no device submitted). The area encompasses Prescott AZ and surrounding communities.

In the December 1996 LoAR, the name change Granite Mountain was listed both in the Acceptances section and the Returns section. The listing the the Returns section reads:"Granite Mountain, Shire of. Name. This is being returned for lack of a petition of support. Submissions for a group name or device must include evidence of support." In the March 1997, this was clarifies in the Errata Letter: “Granite Mountain, Shire of. Listed in the LoAR as both an acceptance and return, the name was, in fact, returned for lack of a petition."
Meanwhile, in the May 1997 LOAR, a device for Granite Mountain was returned. Apparently assuming that the name had been approved (and missing the Errata return update a few months later), a device for the territorial group was accepted in January 1999, Per fess indented vert and sable, in chief a laurel wreath Or, a bordure erminois. In the January 2002 LOAR, Granite Mountain was used in a holding name (Alicia of Granite Mountain), as it was also in July 2008 (Sabrina of Granite Mountain). Last but not least, in August 2008 Terrance of Granite Mountain was registered with the notation "Granite Mountain is the name of an SCA branch."

The device for the territorial group should be considered “safe,” with it registered under Leafolke Shire, although it has been assumed to be the Shire (now Barony of) of Granite Mountain for 17 years. Sifting through the files, I did find a populace petition for the name Granite Mountain, which seems to be the only copy of the petition and one that was never forwarded to Laurel (hence the original name change return in 1997). I include a new populace petition signed in December 2014 for changing the name to Granite Mountain. While the original name of Leafolke Shire needs to be released upon registration of Granite Mountain, I am hoping that that name might be considered as the title for the barony's herald, since one has yet to be chosen and submitted. (If the name change is registered without input from the barony for potentially assigning Leafolke as the Pursuivant's title, so be it.)

Granite is a granular, crystalline rock, composed mostly of quartz and used extensively in building (the word granito comes from Italian, but it is cited in English in “Egyptian granite” in 1646, COED). Mountain appears c. 1200, from the Old French montaigne (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?l=m&allowed_in_frame=0).

Thanks to Basil Dragonstrike (I think), for his detective work and discovering why the name was accepted and returned, then ultimately returned. As he had mentioned in commentary: “...As far as I can see, neither the CoA nor any member thereof futzed things up to the point the group could not reasonably know their submission had been returned; the original LOAR (Dec 1996) contained a return and good reasons therefore (even though it also said the name had passed), and three months later (Mar 1997) the errata letter cleared things up. OTOH, since the CoA treated "Granite Mountain" as if it had been registered, perhaps there are grounds to claim a repeated non-feasance by the CoA. On yet another hand, the rules did not change: a petition of support has been a requirement since waaaaay back when, and the Hardship Clause is (usually) applied to someone who suffers due to error and a change in the rules.
“All-in-all, based on what I can find out, I think it'd probably be a lot simpler not to refer to the Hardship Clause, and submit a petition of support for the name. How the CoA will handle the arms etc. is more than I can guess. Again, this is my suggestion based on my reading of the rules; I could well be wrong.” Oh, lordy, I hope he isn't wrong.


Gunnarr Bearshirt (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME

Try Part I: Description of the Berserk http://www.vikinganswerlady.com/berserke.shtml for sources on the lingua anglica translation of Berserkr. (MvL)

Berserk/r has not been registered by the College of Arms since the late 1900s, and I wonder if this group of elite warriors just happened to fall from favor, or if the College at some point actively discouraged/prohibited the registration of the name.


Leofwen Gunnarkona (BoA): NEW NAME

Gunnarskona would be the form of the byname. (MvL, fw)


Michael Woode Forester (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Argent, embedded in a tree stump erased an ax proper, handle to sinister, on a chief triangular sable a moon in her plentitude argent.

If as the submitting herald suggests a redraw is even now in the works, I urge making it Argent, embedded in a tree stump erased proper an ax, haft to sinister, Or hafted proper, on a chief triangular sable a moon in her plenitude argent
--and indeed larger, especially the blade since that's the piece we treat as primary. That increases the complexity to 8, Argent + stump + brown + ax + Or + chief + sable + moon, the acceptable limit. I don't suppose the haft counts separately, but await correction if I'm wrong. (I rejected "an ax Or haft to sinister proper" which loses the extra commas but doesn't seem right.) The College denies a proper coloration to axes, but wood is brown; see http://heraldry.sca.org/coagloss.html#proper s.vv. "Axe", "Wood/wooden items". Hafts must be wooden by default, because "hafted proper" appears 27 times in the O&A and "hafted of wood proper" but twice. For the moon, we've got 15 cases of "plentitude" but 50 of "plenitude"--and 27 of "in her complement", Parker's version. (MGC)


Moira O'Droogan (Sundragon): NEW BADGE: Per pale purpure and vert, two dragonflies Or.

Clear of Grigour MacEnelly (device, Nov 2003, Atenveldt), Per bend sinister vert and sable, two dragonflies Or with a DC for changes to the field and another for the unforced move from in bend to in fess. (JML)


Samuel Henry Ickeforde Thomas (Sundragon): NEW DEVICE: Per pale vert and argent, a fess checky sable and argent.


Stephan MacGrath (BoA): NEW BADGE: Or, on a rose gules between four crosses formy two and two sable, a fleur-de-lys argent.

The submitter might like to know that a rose can be barbed vert as an "artistic detail", increasing its identifiability, without necessarily being seeded Or. (MGC)


Thyri Eirikskona (BoA): NEW NAME

The name is anglicized Old Norse. Thyri (from the ON Þyri) is a female given name in “The Old Norse Name,” Geirr Bassi Haraldsson, p. 17. Eiríkr is a male given name, in the same source, p. 9. The byname construction is intended to mean “Eirikr's wife,” as noted: The Norse word for 'wife' used in bynames is kona, as in Þorvé, Végauts kona, found in Lindorm Eriksson's "The Bynames of the Viking Age Runic Inscriptions" (http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/lindorm/runicbynames/). In this case, the two elements are separate words, but in transcriptions, bynames that express relationship often take this form. In other sources, they are written as a single word. Therefore, this would be acceptable either as Rúnólfskona or Rúnólfs kona. As the former is closer to her submitted name, we have made that change. [Fj{o,}rleif Rúnólfskona, 11/2003, A-Meridies] (http://heraldry.sca.org/precedents/CompiledNamePrecedents/MaritalBynames.html, Francois la Flamme, November 2003) The formation of a patronymic (or a genitive/possessive) is found as -r > -s in Geirr Bassi, p. 17, hence Eirikr > Eirikskona.


Tomaso Floreano (SD): DEVICE CHANGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2014: Or, in bend sinister a wooden mallet bendwise inverted proper and a quill pen bendwise sinister, a bordure sable.
The original submission, as above, “is returned for administrative issues. A new emblazon which does not match the originally uploaded emblazon was uploaded to OSCAR more than a month after the letter was issued. No actual correction was issued. The correct procedure when the submitter changes their mind about the depiction during commentary is to withdraw the submission and resubmit with the new emblazon.”


Wade Greenwall (BoA): NEW DEVICE CHANGE: Vert masoned Or.

Consider these two: Calontir, Kingdom of registered in May of 1990 (via Calontir): Purpure, masoned Or.
Deykin ap Gwion registered in March of 2006 (via Northshield): Vert scaly Or.
[February 2012 LoAR, A-ÆTHELMEARC] Antonius Hasebroek. Device change. Gules scaly Or.
“This device is not in conflict with the badge of Yrjö Kirjawiisas, Sable, scaly Or, or the device of Deykin ap Gwion, Vert scaly Or, by complete change of tincture of the field.
Section X.4.a.ii of the Rules for Submissions says:
(b) Complete Change of Tincture - If the fields of two pieces of field-primary armory have no tinctures in common, they are considered completely different and do not conflict, irrespective of any other similarities between them.
...The addition of a field treatment is also a change of tincture, so Per fess argent and gules is completely different from Per fess argent masoned gules and sable.
In this case, scaly is a field treatment. The rules and precedents clearly state that a field X <treatment> Y is considered completely different from a plain field X. It seems perverse to rule "no tinctures in common" when considering a plain field versus that same field with a field treatment but to deny "no tinctures in common" when considering two fields with the same field treatment; this is a case where our use of the term tincture with regards to field treatments may be confusing.
It cannot be denied that two fields with the same treatment look similar, but X.4.a.ii.b also gives the example of the fur Ermine being completely different from the fur Argent ermined gules. Furs are not field treatments, yet visually the amount of tincture changed would be similar to that seen between a hypothetical Argent <treatment> sable and Argent <treatment> gules. However, field treatments typically leave more of the underlying tincture showing than they cover. Fortunately this case does not require Laurel to rule on whether or not two fields of identical underlying tinctures with the same type of field treatments in different tinctures are clear of conflict or not; this submission presents the simpler case of different underlying tinctures with identical treatments.
Therefore, we see no reason to not grant difference, and for field primary armory to grant complete difference, between two fields that share a field treatment, as long as the underlying tinctures are not identical.” (MvL) I have no idea if this ruling applies to two pieces of armory with the same field tincture (vert here), differenced by two different field treatments (masoned vs. scaly). (MMM)


Ysabeau Le Roux (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, November 2014

Quarterly purpure and sable, a wolf's head erased contourny argent and on a chief Or two mullets of four points gules.

The name was registered November 2014.
This device, with the above blazon, was returned for redraw. “Please instruct the submitter on the proper way to draw erasing: either three or four prominent, pointed jags on the erasing, as described on the Cover Letter to the November 2001 LoAR: Therefore, for purposes of recreating period armorial style for erasing, the erasing should (1) have between three and eight jags; (2) have jags that are approximately one-sixth to one-third the total height of the charge being erased; and (3) have jags that are not straight but rather are wavy or curved.” The erasing has been corrected.
Alternatively, the submitter could decide to redraw the primary charge as a wolf's head couped.


The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms, December 2014:

Hroc Æthelwulfes sunu. Name and device. Sable, a mullet of four points gules fimbriated Or between four horse's heads couped, the one in sinister chief argent, the others Or.
There is a step from period practice for using a charge group of four or more of the same type in which the tincture of only one charge is different from the others when that tincture difference is not dictated by the field.
Jacqueline de Bretaigne. Device. Azure, a pall inverted between two doves rising respectant and a lily of the valley argent.
Jaku'an Kakujo. Name change from Morgann Mac Duibh Dara and device change. Per pale sable and vert, within a torii a lion dormant argent.
Nice 14th century Japanese monastic name! The submitter's previous name, Morgann Mac Duibh Dara, is retained as an alternate name.
The submitter's old device, Vert, a lightning bolt bendwise, on a chief argent two acorns slipped and leaved sable, is retained as a badge. There is a step from period practice for the use of the torii.
Joseph Walter McFadden. Release of name and device. Quarterly erminois and sable, in bend two trefoils slipped vert, a bordure counterchanged sable and Or.
Joseph Walter McFadden. Release of badge. Or, a pall sable between three shamrocks stems to center vert, a bordure sable.
Oddr ölfúss the Tanner. Reblazon of device. Per chevron gules and Or, a pair of drinking horns Or and a trenket sable.
Reblazoned in March 2010 as Per chevron gules and Or, a pair of drinking horns Or and a leatherworker's head knife sable, the knife is a trenket.
Ósk Álfsdóttir. Name change from Shasta of Windale.
The submitter's previous name, Shasta of Windale, is retained as an alternate name.
Ysabeau Le Roux. Name (see RETURNS for device).
Submitted as Ysabeau Le Roux, the name appeared on the Letter of Intent as Yvonne Le Roux. A timely correction noted the intended name to be considered.
The submitter requested authenticity for "1400s French". Both the given name and byname are dated between 1421 and 1438, so this name meets the submitter's request.


The following were returned by the College of Arms for further work, December 2014:

Tomaso Floreano. Device change. Or, in bend sinister a wooden mallet bendwise inverted proper and a quill pen bendwise sinister, a bordure sable.
This device is returned for administrative issues. A new emblazon which does not match the originally uploaded emblazon was uploaded to OSCAR more than a month after the letter was issued. No actual correction was issued. The correct procedure when the submitter changes their mind about the depiction during commentary is to withdraw the submission and resubmit with the new emblazon.
Ysabeau Le Roux. Device. Quarterly purpure and sable, a wolf's head erased contourny argent and on a chief Or two mullets of four points gules.
This device is returned for redraw. Please instruct the submitter on the proper way to draw erasing: either three or four prominent, pointed jags on the erasing, as described on the Cover Letter to the November 2001 LoAR: Therefore, for purposes of recreating period armorial style for erasing, the erasing should (1) have between three and eight jags; (2) have jags that are approximately one-sixth to one-third the total height of the charge being erased; and (3) have jags that are not straight but rather are wavy or curved.
Alternatively, the submitter could decide to redraw the primary charge as a wolf's head couped.



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