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Unto Their Royal Majesties Cosmo Craven and Elzbieta; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!

This is the January 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. Where there any submissions this month, know that I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! Groups ( ) and post there. (Commentary is often posted in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!)

Please have commentary to me for the submissions under consideration for the January 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Intent by 10 January 2012. Thanks!

Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 20 January. For more information, directions, etc., please contact me at your convenience ( ).

Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well (i.e., within one month of receiving a submissions packet). If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month (yes, that's important!) of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Kingdom War Practice: There is a Kingdom War Practice in the Barony of Tir Ysgithr Sunday, 8 January. I don't know if there'll be a Consultation Table there. There might be (I'm not the local heralds, but it's nice to get a jump on these things, even if the War is a month later this year)...they might want to weigh in on that.

Please consider the following submissions for the January 2012 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Cyneburga Thorisdohter (Tir Ysgithr): TWO NEW BADGES

(Fieldless) A domestic cat couchant sable winged Or.

(Fieldless) A hunting horn bendwise sinister vert stringed sable.

The name was registered May 2007.

The following submissions appear in the December 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Commentary this month was provided by Gunnvör silfrahárr [Gs], Nest verch Rhodri ap Madyn [NVM] and Marta [MMM].

Adela O Hearne (Twin Moons): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION: Azure, chape ploye in pale a heart and a phoenix argent.

Originally submitted as Aiedel O'hEachthigheirn, we were unable to coin a given name similar to Aiedel, and while elements of an Old English and and Old Norse name can be used in a name (a step from period practice), they cannot be used within a single name element. Saint Adela was born c. 1062 and was the youngest daughter of William the Conqueror; she was the wife of Stephen III, Count of Blois, with whom she had 11 childen ( ). Withycombe notes that Adela was introduced into England by the Normans, but it was never as popular there as it was on the continent (3rd edition, p. 4 s.n. Adela). O Hearne in an Anglicized Irish surname, from the Irish Gaelic header Ó hEac.t.ig.eirn (Ó hEachthigheirn), p. 560 in Woulfe dating to temp. Elizabeth I - James I (“16th & 17th Century Anglicized Irish Surnames from Woulfe,” Mari ingen Briain meic Donnchada, ). The client had wanted the Irish Gaelic family name Ó hEachthigheirn, which was another monkey wrench in an OE/ON name, and she wanted to avoid a spelling that would've been close to impossible for non-Gaelic speakers, so that an Anglicized version seems to simplify origin, spelling and pronunciation.

The heart and phoenix are not co-primary. The size of the heart makes it secondary. Reblazon: Azure, chapé ployé, a phoenix and in chief a heart argent. The point of origin of "chapé ployé" is supposed to be below the fessline, since the definition involves these lines originating from base. An example of what we expect a chapé ployé to look like may be seen at See also [Gs] I've redrawn this below the fessline, as suggested and will reblazon it as suggested by

Gunnvör [MMM].

Anna Sophie von Kreuznach (Mons Tonitrus): CHANGE OF HOLDING NAME, from Diana of Atenveldt

The holding name was registered December 2002. Originally submitted as Dianna Regina Oettel, it was returned by Laurel because “No documentation was presented and none was found that Dianna is a reasonable period variant of Diana, which is dated to 1580 in Withycombe (pp. 83-84 s.n. Diana). The LoI stated that "[t]he submitter's legal first name is Diann." However, no documentation was provided supporting Diann as the submitter's legal first name. Lacking such documentation, it is not registerable under the Legal Name Allowance. Further, the Legal Name Allowance only allows the exact form of the element from the submitter's legal name to be registered. Therefore, were documentation provided supporting Diann as the submitter's legal given name, only the form Diann would be registerable. The form Dianna would not be registerable under the Legal Name Allowance since it is not an element in the submitter's legal name. For the rest of the name, the submitter provided a copy of her German birth certificate, which lists her birth name as Regina Oettel. From her mundane name listed on her submission form (which includes a middle name that is not Regina), it does not seem that Regina Oettel is retained as part of her current name. If that is indeed the case, then Diann Regina Oettel would not be one of her use names, and it would be registerable if documentation were provided to support Diann as her current legal given name .As the submitter allowed no changes, we were unable to change this name to Diana Regina Oettel in order to register the name. Her armory has been registered under the holding name Diana of Atenveldt.”

Anna and Sophie are feminine given names dated to 1383 in “Medieval German Given Names from Silesia: Women's Names,” Talan Gwynek ( ). The client includes from her adoption records a short history of Bad Kreuznach, which was first settled as a fishing village and during the Middle Ages saw the building of Kautzenburg castle by the counts of Sponheim. In 1241, the original old Kreuznach moved up the Nahe River to seek protection of the castle, and the fallow land opposite the castle, the medieval Alstad, now called Kreuznach, originated. The two towns were united by the Sponheim dynasty and the old stone Nahebridge, and the town became known as Krueznach--the Alt- and Neustadt became designators for parts of town. There are a number of castles in the region, many situated along the Nahe River; Hildegard of Bingen also came from the area (,566,27,,3,, ). The client desires a female name and is most interested in the language/culture of the name.

Énán Mac Cormaicc (Windale): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, June 2011: Per pale argent and vert, the uppercase Greek letter phi sable between in chief a triskele and a tankard counterchanged.

The name was registered June 2011.

The original submission, Per pale argent and vert, the uppercase Greek letter phi sable between in chief a triskele and a tankard counterchanged., was returned because “We require letters, when used as charges, to be drawn in a medieval hand: “This badge must be returned for the use of non-period charges: the capital letters H and S are modern sans-serif letters, with lines of equal width. Medieval letters, both in calligraphy and in carving, had different widths for the different strokes; and while there are some examples of sans-serif letters from ancient times, the majority of medieval letters were serifed. The letters used here are obtrusively modern in style. [Garrick of Shadowdale, R-02-2008]” Similarly, Greek letters should be drawn in a style that matches period hands.”

The client has redrawn his submission with the Greek letter in a period hand.

Robert Redbowe (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME

Rylan MacLean (Mons Tonitrus): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, October 2010: Quarterly gules and argent, on a sun counterchanged a fleur-de-lys Or.

The original name submission was Lachlan MacLean, which as returned for direct conflict with Lachlan MacLean, registered in August 2003. The device was held until a suitable name resubmission had been made.

Rylan is the client's legal middle name and his use name (both he and his father's first names are Frank); a copy of his birth certificate is forwarded to Laurel. MacLean is found in Black's Surnames of Scotland, pg. 536, a common surname throughout period. This spelling is not specifically cited, although with the numerous forms of the name including Maclein 1586, Maclane 1545, Mcoleane 1561, M'Killeane 1603 and M'Cleane 1615, this seems reasonable, and it was registered as such to Galen MacLean in October 2006. The client desires a male name, and is most interested in the language/culture of the name (Scottish Gaelic); he would like it authentic for language/culture (Scottish Gaelic) if possible. He will not accept Major Changes to the name.

Seelos Massmann (Atenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Per pale sable and argent, anvils throughout, on a bend sinister four reremice palewise all counterchanged.

Twin Palm Purvsuivant has contacted the client, who wants to send his device submission up “as is,” with the rather complex field and charged ordinary; we might be making a mountain out of a molehill, thinking the identifiability of charges is poor, so it's best to send it on to Laurel for a larger consideration. The name will be sent on as is as well; we don't know enough of German naming procedures to know if there's any precedence for the family name/byname to precede the given name.

NAME: I was unable to find any additional evidence for the name. I found nothing that appears to conflict.
Reblazon: Per pale sable and argent semy of anvils, on a bend sinister four reremice palewise all counterchanged.
I think the identifiability is OK here even counterchanged, if the drawing was changed up a bit. If the anvils were placed as shown in the alternative drawings, I think it would be better. As is, I can clearly identify the charges on the device as submitted, because the charges in dexter chief help identify the chopped up stewn anvils in base. The bats are perfectly identifiable.
I found no conflicts. The closest were: Vert, in pale three swords fesswise Or and a bordure argent semy of anvils sable. [Giles of Burleigh, LOAR 10/2006] Multiply clear, this was the only semy of anvils I located.
Per pale argent and sable, on a bend three nails palewise counterchanged. [Lotharius qui et Segimundus, LOAR 04/2009] RfS X.4.a. says no difference for the field. Clear by X.4.b. for removing the anvils; X.4.g for swapping the bend to bend sinister; X.4.e. for change from reremice to nails. [Gs]

Twin Moons, Barony of: BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, April 2010: Azure, on a pall inverted bretessed between in chief two increscents argent a flanged mace azure.

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street

Tucson AZ 85716

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