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ATENVELDT COLLEGE OF HERALDS 1 January 2011, A.S. XLV
LETTER OF PRESENTATION Kingdom of Atenveldt


Unto Their Royal Majesties Phelan and Amirah, King and Queen of the Lands of Atenveldt; Master Seamus, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings of the New Year from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald and Parhelium Herald for the Kingdom of Atenveldt!


This is the January 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Presentation. It precedes the external Letter of Intent that will contain the following submissions that are presented here, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. Where there any submissions this month, know that I accept online commentary, in addition to questions pertaining to heraldry and consultation. You can send commentary to me privately at brickbat@nexiliscom.com or join “Atenveldt Submissions Commentary” at Yahoo! Groups ( http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Atenveldt_Submissions_Commentary/ ) and post there. (Any commentary is likely be included in the next month's Letter of Presentation so that all may learn from it, and we can see how additional documentation or comments may have influenced a submission. Please don't be shy!)

Please have commentary to me for those submissions under consideration for the January 2011Atenveldt Letter of Intent by 10 January 2011. Thanks!


Speaking of submissions: I accept direct-to-Kingdom submissions from heraldic clients; this might not be the most favorable route to take, particularly if a group (like a Barony) has a territorial herald, and everyone can stay more in the “submission loop” if a submission is made in this fashion. However, in some cases, this is the only reasonable and timely way for a submission to be made. Local heralds need to send submissions on in a timely manner as well. If you cannot connect with me at an event (very likely) or attend Heraldry Hut, submissions need to be mailed within one month of a local herald receiving them, unless there is a reason for return at the local level. My address: Linda Miku, 2527 E. 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716.


Heraldry Hut: The next Heraldry Hut will be held Friday, 21 January. For more information, please contact me ( brickbat@nexiliscom.com ).


Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too: atensubmissions.nexiliscom.com.


College of Arms Actions: Atenveldt registrations and returns made at the September and October 2010 Laurel meetings (submissions found on the June and July 2010 Atenveldt LoI) are found at the end of this report.


Please consider the following for the January 2011 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


Arianna Hunter (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, November 2010

Agent, a griffin rampant vert within a bordure sable with eight mullets argent.

The device submission was originally returned because there was no name submitted with it. That has been rectified. Arianna is an Italian feminine given name, derived from the Greek "Ariadne" (De Felice, dizionario dei nomi italiani), p. 74. Hunter is an English surname, dated to 1312 (Reaney and Wilson, revised edition), s.n. Hunter. The combination of English and Italian name elements is one step from period practice. The client desires a female name.


Catalana di Michel della Romana (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, a phoenix and in base four roses in cross, argent.

The name is Italian. Catalana is a feminine given name found in “Feminine Given Names from the Online Catasto of Florence of 1427,” Arval Benicoeur ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/arval/catasto/ ). di Michel is a patronymic, formed as demonstrated in “Names in 15th Century Florence and her Dominions: the Condado,” Juliana de Luna ( http://www.s-gabriel.org/names/juliana/condado/), with di, “of,” preceding the bearer's father's name (in the case of widows, this might be the deceased husband's name). This source has a number of Michael-type names, although they tend to be Michele (the most common form), Michelino and Michelone; Michel is not among them. Michel is the French form of Michael (Italian/French name combinations are one step from period practice). Romana might be a locative family name. Its construction, with the feminine form della, is demonstrated in Juliana's article. I couldn't find Romana as a locative (there is a Romei, which might mean Rome, used as a place-name). Two have been registered by the CoA, both as Italian feminine given names. Juliana gives no indication that a period family name was based on a mother's/female name, as is sometime the case with a father's/male name. Any help is appreciated with this. The client desires a female name, and she is most interested in the language/culture of the name (“must 'flow'; must be Italian Renaissance).


Þhordis sjóna (Ered Sul): NAME AND DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, September 2010

Argent, in pale a mullet of nine points and a Thor's hammer azure.

The original name, Thordis Andenhojttaler, was returned because the byname Andenhojttaler is a constructed byname intended to mean "spirit-talker." “First, there is no evidence that these words were used in period. Second, there is no evidence that a construction like this would be meaningful, let alone have the intended meaning. Finally, a term like "spirit-talker" would be a claim to supernatural powers, a claim we do not allow under the Rules for Submissions VI.2. Therefore, it cannot be registered.” She has chosen an occupationl byname sjóna, “seeress,” found in “Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók,Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( http://www.ellipsis.cx/~liana/names/norse/vikbynames.html ). This doesn't seem to be an attribute, overly-associated with the supernatural. (People can claim to “see” things, but it is more often a claim without any substantial back-up, via a supernatural source or otherwise). Very likely the article in is needed in the name (hence Þhordis in sjóna).

The original device, Azure, in pale a mullet of nine points and a Thor's hammer argent., was returned for conflict with the Barony of Rivenstar's badge, Azure, a riven star argent. There is a CD for the addition of the hammer, but there is no difference granted between a rivenstar and a mullet of eight points, by precedent: [Per bend sable and checky argent and azure a mullet of eight points argent] Conflict with a badge of the barony of Rivenstar, Azure, a riven star argent.There is one CD for changing the field. There is no difference between a rivenstar and a compass star by previous precedent: ". . .nor is there a CD between a compass star and a riven star" (LoAR of April 2001). [Starkhafn, Barony of, June 2003, R-Caid] Note that the conflict called is between a mullet of eight points and a rivenstar, not just a compass star and a rivenstar, as in the precedent being quoted in the 2003 return. Reversing the tinctures clears the conflict with Rivenstar.


Zach of Many Arrows (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, in fess six wooden arrows palewise inverted proper, barbed and fletched sable.

No documentation for the name was provided; please remember that the burden of proof lies upon the client, and a herald is not required to accept a submission with no documentation (Kedivor is a softie, and I'd likely have done the same). Zachary is the client's legal given name; whether the abbreviated form was found/used in period, I don't know (as there are several Zacharys and Zachariahs registered in the College of Arm, I tend to think not). The client desires a male name.


The following submissions appear in the December 2010 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


Eilica Weiss (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE: Or, a pale chequy argent and azure, overall a heart gules.


Leticia Troischesnes (Sundragon): BADGE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, 9/2010: Checky gules and argent, a hen couchant contourny Or.

This badge was returned for conflict with the device of Anne of Bradford, Azure, chapé, a chicken martletted close to sinister Or. “Chapé is considered part of the field, not a charge on the field. Therefore there is only a single CD for the changes to the field.” Anne of Bradford, along with the help of several members of the West Kingdom's College of Heralds, has graciously provided permission for Leticia's badge to concflict with her armory. The College of Arms also noted in the original return that the badge is clear of the device of John Aquila of Eaglesdown, Purpure, an eagle close to sinister Or. There is a CD for the changes to the field and a CD for the change of type of primary charge, since close is a period posture for eagles (which I think is a typo, and ought to read something to the effect that close is not a period posture for eagles).


Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy: (Tir Ysgithr): BLANKET PERMISSION TO CONFLICT

The client provides signed paperwork for Blanket Permission to Conflict: Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy (primary persona name); Per chevron vert and or, in base a satyr dancing and piping proper.; Per chevron vert and Or, in base a satyr dancing and piping proper and as an augmentation on a canton azure a sun in glory within a bordure Or.; Or, pellety, a rabbit sejant affronte sable, muzzled, bellied, and forelegged, argent.; Or, a brunette sirin harpy statant guardant to sinister proper within a bordure engrailed vert.; (Fieldless) A bat displayed Or, masoned vert.; and (Fieldless) A billet fesswise gules, bat-winged sable.


Symond Bayard le Gris (Tir Ysithr): BLANKET PERMISSION TO CONFLICT

The client provides signed paperwork for Blanket Permission to Conflict: Symond Bayard le Gris (primary persona name); Kameyama Bakumaru (alternate persona name); Azure, a candle and candlestick argent enflamed proper, between a dexter point ploye, a sinister point ployé, and a base argent.; Or, a Malayan tapir statant to sinister breathing flames proper. [Acrocodia indica]; and Sable, a Japanese tapir sejant, head raised, within an annulet argent.


The following submissions have been registered by the SCA College of Arms, September 2010:


Asdis Ivarsdottir. Name and device. Argent, in pall three donkeys salient, heads to center, on a chief purpure two roses argent.

While we have a ban on inverted creatures, this design does not fall afoul of our ban on inverted creatures, since they are a group of identical charges in a recognized heraldic orientation.

Ashavati of Brymstone. Holding name and device (see RETURNS for name). Argent, a natural panther sejant regardant purpure and in base three keys in fess wards to base azure.

Submitted under the name Asha Vati.

Atenveldt, Kingdom of. Order name Order of the Spear and badge association. Per pale argent and azure, in pale a sun in his splendor and two spears in saltire Or.

Bj{o,}rn Bloodax. Name change from holding name Kenneth Bloodax.

Cecilia Svensdotter. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Submitted as Cecilia Svensdóttir, the byname combines Old Swedish Sven with an Old Norse form of the word "daughter." This violates RfS III.a, which requires a byname (or any other name phrase) to be "grammatically correct according to the usage of a single language." We have changed the byname to the thoroughly Old Swedish form in order to register the name; it would also be registerable as a thoroughly Old Norse Sveinsdóttir.

Clarice Alienor Aldinoch. Name.

Submitted as Clarice Alienora Aldinoch, the submitter requested authenticity for 12th-14th c. England. In that time, we have no evidence of double given names. However, this can be seen as a given name followed by a matronymic and a descriptive byname. In that form (or indeed with two given names), we'd expect to see the name with both Clarice and Alienor in the vernacular or both in Latinized forms (or with the given name Latinized and the byname in the vernacular). Therefore, we have changed Alienora to the vernacular form in order to meet her request for authenticity.

Cormacc mac Flannacáin. Name.

Submitted as Cormacc_Flannacáin, Gaelic requires that patronymic bynames be marked with particles like mac. We have made that change. The submitter requested authenticity for Irish; as corrected, this name is authentic for 9th to 11th century Irish Gaelic.

Heinrich Loescher. Name and device. Per pale sable and gules, a cog-wheel and in base a ball-peen hammer fesswise reversed argent.

Hrefna Gandalfsdottir. Device. Argent, a raven sable and a base wavy azure.

The device is clear of the device of Kateline Hicch, Argent, a falcon belled and jessed proper within a bordure engrailed azure. There is a CD for the change of tincture of the primary charge, from brown to black, and a CD for the change of type of secondary charge, from a base wavy to a bordure engrailed. The device is also clear of the device of Eugene Louis Montclare, Argent, atop a mount of six peaks (coupeaux) vert a raven close sable maintaining in its beak a scale gules. There is a CD for the change of tincture of the secondary charge, from vert to azure, and a CD for the change of the type of the secondary charge, from mount of six peaks to base wavy. The device is also clear of the device of Caitlin ni Cáilean de Bri, Argent, a raven close sable, perched upon and supported by a rowan branch leaved and fructed proper. The branch is a co-primary charge. Therefore, there is a CD for the change of number of primary charges and a CD for the addition of a secondary charge.

Isabelle de Calais. Name (see RETURNS for device).

This does not conflict with the registered Elisée de Calais. Precedent says that Isabelle and Elizabeth were used interchangeably in 15th century England and thus conflict. Precedent also says that Elisée and Elizabeth conflict, saying "while Elisée is not in a strict ethymological sense a diminutive of Elisabeth, it is often used as one. [Elisabeth de Calais, 05/00, R-Ansteorra]." However, conflict is not transitive. As there is no evidence that Elisée was used as a diminutive of Isabelle, or even used as a diminutive of Elizabeth at a time when Isabelle and Elizabeth were used interchangeably, these names do not conflict.

Isolde Monroe. Name.

The Letter of Intent reported difficulty in documenting the desired spelling of the byname. Edelweiss was able to find the spelling Monroe dated to 1617 and 1637 as an English byname.

Jacob Varensgezel van Hoorn. Name and device. Per bend sinister wavy vert and argent, a swordfish naiant bendwise sinister contourny and a frog bendwise counterchanged.

Submitted as Jacob Varensgezel Van Hoorn, all the documentation supported a lowercase van. We have made that change to match the documentation.

The Letter of Intent asked for help with the occupational byname Varensgezel, meaning "sailor." Noir Licorne was able to find it as an occupational term in grey period Dutch, which is enough to give the submitter the benefit of the doubt and register the byname. The swordfish is a period fish, mentioned in the Etymologiae of Isidore of Seville, 12 6:15 as a 'gladius' in the 7th century. The modern translation reads "The swordfish (gladius) is so called because it has a snout like a sword (cf. gladius, 'sword'); because of this it pierces ships and sinks them.". As a fish native to European waters, it is registerable without a step from period practice.

James Dawysoun. Name change from Eilionora inghean Daibhídh mhic Con Mhara.

Her previous name, Eilionora inghean Daibhídh mhic Con Mhara, is retained as an alternate name.

Juan Diego Drago. Device. Per pale sable and gules, a camel statant and in chief three crosses formy Or.

Onora McDade. Name.

Her mother's registered name is Damiana McDade; the byname can therefore be registered in this spelling under the grandfather clause.

Rhodri Longshanks. Badge. Counter-ermine, a double tressure surmounted by six rustres Or.

Rhodri Longshanks. Badge change. Argent, on a torteau an ermine spot Or, a double tressure surmounted by six rustres azure.

His previous badge, Argent, on a torteau an ermine spot Or, a double tressure surmounted by six crescents with horns outward azure, is released.

Rory Sinclair. Name.

Sancha Galindo de Toledo. Device change. Azure, an owl between in cross four mullets Or and in saltire four roundels argent.

Her old device, Azure, an owl contourny Or between in cross four mullets and in saltire four roundels argent, is released.

Wilhelm Morgenstern. Name and device. Per chevron rayonny azure and Or, two estoiles and a demi-sun issuant from base counterchanged.

Nice German name! Please instruct the submitter to draw fewer, larger repeats on the rayonny line of division.


The following submissions have been returned by the College of Arms for further work, September 2010:


Asha Vati. Name.

The submitter presented no evidence that the byname Vati was used in period. Commenters were able to find a 14th century queen of Delhi named Asavati or Ashavati. Therefore, this is registerable as a given name. The name Asha is found as a sixteenth century given name as well. However, that leaves the submitter with no byname, meaning that this name must be returned. Her armory has been registered under the holding name Ashavati of Brymstone.

Bébinn ingen Domnaill. Badge. Per pale azure and argent, a heart per pale argent and vert.

This badge is returned for conflict with the device of Bronwen Blackwell, Per pale vert and argent, a seeblatt counterchanged. There is a CD for the change of tincture of the field, but no difference is granted between hearts and seeblätter, by precedent: [Quarterly azure and vert, a heart Or] Conflict with ... A seeblatt Or. There is a CD for the fieldlessness, but by current precedent none for the change in type of the charges. There are period arms that are blazoned both as having hearts and as having seeblatter (see the May 1993 LoAR pg. 17., s.n. Caitlin Davies, for the full discussion). [Rhiannon MacReadie, 05/00, R-An Tir]

Cecilia Svensdotter. Device. Or, a sinister dragon's wing azure issuant from a dexter tierce wavy vert scaly argent.

This device is returned for lack of identifiability of the complex line of division of the tierce. Commenters were nearly unanimous in not identifying the wavy line of the tierce until they read the blazon or had it pointed out to them. The low contrast between the mostly vert tierce and the mostly azure wing makes the problem worse, even though the line of division is technically between the mostly vert tierce and the Or field. Section VIII.3 of the Rules for Submissions requires that "Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual identifiability." That is not the case, here.

Ianuk Raventhorne. Alternate name Ian'ka Ivanovna zhena Petrovitsa.

This name is a claim to be the wife of Ivan Petrovich, whose name was registered in 2002. While we do not doubt the submitter's word, by long precedent, this name cannot be registered without a signed letter of permission to presume from her husband.

Isabelle de Calais. Device. Lozengy Or and azure, a lily purpure.

This device is returned for lack of identifiability of the primary charge. Section VIII.3 of the Rules for Submission requires that "Elements must be used in a design so as to preserve their individual identifiability. While the lily is based off the drawing of a lily in the Pictorial Dictionary of Heraldry, the identifying features are both drawn smaller than they are in that resource and nearly all of them lie against the low-contrast azure portions of the field. Commenters were unable to recognize the lily.

Leticia Troischesnes. Badge. Checky gules and argent, a hen couchant contourny Or.

This badge is returned for conflict with the device of Anne of Bradford, Azure, chapé, a chicken martletted close to sinister Or. Chapé is considered part of the field, not a charge on the field. Therefore there is only a single CD for the changes to the field. The badge is, however, clear of the device of John Aquila of Eaglesdown, Purpure, an eagle close to sinister Or. There is a CD for the changes to the field and a CD for the change of type of primary charge, since close is a period posture for eagles.

Thordis Andenhojttaler. Name and device. Azure, in pale a mullet of nine points and a Thor's hammer argent.

The byname Andenhojttaler is a constructed byname intended to mean "spirit-talker." First, there is no evidence that these words were used in period. Second, there is no evidence that a construction like this would be meaningful, let alone have the intended meaning. Finally, a term like "spirit-talker" would be a claim to supernatural powers, a claim we do not allow under the Rules for Submissions VI.2. Therefore, it cannot be registered.

This device is returned for conflict with the Barony of Rivenstar's badge, Azure, a riven star argent. There is a CD for the addition of the hammer, but there is no difference granted between a rivenstar and a mullet of eight points, by precedent: [Per bend sable and checky argent and azure a mullet of eight points argent] Conflict with a badge of the barony of Rivenstar, Azure, a riven star argent.There is one CD for changing the field. There is no difference between a rivenstar and a compass star by previous precedent: ". . .nor is there a CD between a compass star and a riven star" (LoAR of April 2001). [Starkhafn, Barony of, June 2003, R-Caid] Note that the conflict called is between a mullet of eight points and a rivenstar, not just a compass star and a rivenstar, as in the precedent being quoted in the 2003 return.

A question was raised about the trademarked insignia of Maersk Shipping, Bleu-celeste, a mullet of seven points argent. As stated in precedent: "While we protect registered trademarks, trademarks are only protected from identical use in the same industry." [Konrad Reinhard, February 2010, A-Trimaris] Since Thordis is not a shipping company, and the armory is not identical, this is not a conflict with the trademark in the United States. However, the logo appears to be registered as heraldry in some European heraldic jurisdictions. If the client wishes to resubmit this or a similar design, justification should be attached showing that Maersk is not important enough to protect.

The device is clear of the device of Austin Chadwyck of Normandy, Azure, in pale a pegasus volant and a mullet of four points elongated in pale argent, which is reblazoned elsewhere in this letter. There is a CD for the change of type of half the primary charge group (from pegasus to hammer) and a CD for the arrangement of the primary charge group (from star in chief to star in base).

The device is clear of the badge of the Principality of Tir Rígh, Azure, a compass star azure fimbriated argent, which is reblazoned elsewhere in this letter. There is a CD for the change of tincture of the primary charge and a CD for the change of number of primary charges.

The device may conflict with the device of Aliena of the High Reaches, Azure, a compass star and a mountain of three peaks issuant from base argent. The question depends on when a charge issuant from the edge of the field is a primary or a secondary charge. This question is being discussed in the pends this month, in the augmentation submission of Victoria of the Vales of Barnsdale. If the charges in Aliena's device are co-primary charges, this is a conflict with a single CD for the change of type of one of the co-primary charges.


The following was pended until the February 2011 College of Arms meeting for further discussion:


Victoria of the Vales of Barnsdale. Augmentation. Or, an insect-winged naked woman passant, wings chased, azure, and as an augmentation on a canton azure in pale a coronet and a sun in his glory issuant from base Or within a bordure argent.

This augmentation is pended to discuss three questions that were not adequately addressed during the original commentary period.

We note that the submitted augmentation is not the standard augmentation of Atenveldt. A standard augmentation may not be 'slightly modified' and still be considered the standard augmentation. This augmentation must be considered entirely on its own merits.

First, the question was asked of whether or not augmentations should be allowed to have minimal contrast with the original device. In all previous cases where a charged canton was used, the canton either had good contrast with the field, the canton was separated from the field with a border or charge throughout which had good contrast with both the field and the augmentation, or the canton was overlying a bordure in such a fashion that the lack of contrast with the field was not an issue in it being noticed (such as the augmentation for Katerina O'Callaghan, on Atenveldt's July 2006 LoI, which can be seen at http://oscar.sca.org/index.php?action=145&id=1124 ). This is the first time a charged canton has been submitted as an augmentation, where the bordure on the canton has poor contrast with the field. Should such augmentations be allowed? Do we find historical practice that matches?

Second, there is the question of whether the Or charges on Victoria's augmentation are co-primary or primary and secondary. Since augmentations which are charged cantons must be checked as if they are independent displays of armory, we have to determine how, under our rules, to check this. If the Or charges are considered to be co-primary charges, the augmentation conflicts with the device of Reneé d'Avranches, Azure, two garbs in pale Or and a bordure argent.

Third, is an augmentation allowed to include a coronet if the submitter is otherwise permitted to display a coronet on their armory? (Victoria is entitled to display a coronet. She is a viscountess, awarded 4/12/1980.)

This was item 24 on the Atenveldt letter of June 25, 2010.


The following submissions have been registered by the SCA College of Arms, October 2010:


Aric Pfeilschmidt. Reblazon of device. Azure, a wingless four-headed demi-hydra dismembered Or, in base an egg inverted argent.

Blazoned when registered, in April 1993, as Azure, a wingless demi-hydra dismembered Or, in base an egg inverted argent, the number of heads must be specified.

Valeriana Aeginêtis. Name change from holding name Stephanie of Atenveldt.

Submitted as Valora tou Aegina, this name has several issues.

No evidence was presented, nor could any be found, that Valora was used as a name before the 20th century. Therefore, it cannot be registered. The submitter authorized its replacement with Valeriana; we have made that change in order to register the name.

The byname tou Aegina is not correctly constructed. Greek locative bynames are formed as adjectives of location (that is "the Aeginian" rather than "of Aegina"). The correct form is Aiginêtis; the Latin equivalent is Aiginensis. Either is registerable with Valeriana. We have changed the byname to the first, as it follows the Greek language of the submitted form.

Commenters asked whether Greek and Latin can be registered together. Byzantium (the Eastern Roman Empire) combined both Latin speakers and Greek speakers in a single empire, in which first Latin and then Greek was the preferred language of government. Names could be written in either Latinized or Greek forms; however, the different orthographies require that the combination be a step from period practice. However, it is the only one in this name, and thus the name can be registered.


There were no Atenveldt submissions by the College of Arms, October 2010.


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