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1 September 2001, A.S. XXXVI

Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Gallchobhar and Haley; Mistress Magdelen Venturosa, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the September 2001 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. You are encouraged to comment upon these submissions, whatever your experience level. Please have your comments to me on the submissions being considered for the 1 October LoI by 25 September. I accept online commentary:


Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used!) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

The “Estrella” Letter of Intent: the results of the Estrella War consultation table (plus a few submissions around the edges) are listed below. Out of 63 submissions appearing on that LoI, there were only five returns and one submission pended–I think that there are going to be a lot of happy folks throughout the kingdom, at least happy in a heraldic sense!

Consultation Table Redux: the Table at Kingdom Arts and Sciences was very successful (heck, even if I’d just gotten the LOAD of submissions from Twin Palm Pursuivant alone, I would’ve considered it successful!). Thanks are extended to the Autocrat and to Padre Seamus for allowing a Table to be held and providing ample space and furniture; to Seamus, Robin of Rhovanion, John Michael Midwinter, Hernando Herodes Montenegro, and Beatrice Lumini for their help (conflict checking, consulting with submitters, and the all-important coloring!). Special thanks is extended to Symond Bayard le Gris for providing a laptop computer with the most recent online Armorial and Ordinary on it–it’s a bit slow, but it beats going through the humongous “hard” ones and all the updates! There were also submissions this month from Aurochsford, Granite Mountain, and Sundragon.

Odd notations this month: CT (Consultation Table at Kingdom Arts); and L (local submissions). Also, this month’s first names are brought to you by the letter “I” (usually it’s the letter “A”), and I refuse to be held personally responsible for having both Robert Delion and Robert de Bere on the same letter...

The following submissions appear in the 1 September 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

 (L) Aileann inghean Fhrancaigh (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME

The name is Irish, “Aileann daughter of the Frenchman”. Ailleann (with two l’s) is found on p. 19 of Ó Corráin and Maguire. While the name follows the construction of Irish woman’s names, I don’t know if it’s correct to use inghean with a decriptive phrase rather than a proper masculine given name. The byname is found in a website written in Irish Gaelic, and the listing is apparently that of locations (, Lana an Fhrancaigh meaning, “Frenchman’s Lane”. (I have no idea whether the first -h- is lenited, and if the word for “Frenchman” is actually Francaigh.) The name might be workable as a later period Aileanna F(h)ranciagh, in which the byname is an unmarked patronymic (like William becomes Williams, rather than the full-blown Williamson).

(CT) Áine inghean uí Gríobhtha (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron azure and vert, a chevron and in base a cross clechy argent.

The name is Irish. It is constructed in the Irish fashion to show a clan affiliation, “Áine daughter of a male descendant Gryffyth”. Áine is found in Ó Corráin and Maguire, pp. 19-20, a given name used by both men and women. The construction of an Irish clan affiliation for a woman is found in “Quick and Easy Gaelic Names,” Sharon Krossa ( Submitted originally as Gryffyth, it appears that the clan name is more correct as (O) Griffin (Anglicized) and as Ó Gríobhtha in Irish Gaelic (The Surnames of Ireland, MacLysaght, p. 137), so that if it is lenited (“softened”), which is always is in this construction, the name might be more accurate lenited...however, G is lenited (Gh), but R isn’ should the name be Ghríobhtha or remain as Gríobhtha?

The submitter allows no major changes to the name, which should still permit accent, lenition, spelling modifications, etc., to allow this to be a period 9th-11th C. Irish name, which she desires. The early name has the inghean uí elements...a late period name, with a more readily-identifiable/Anglicized spelling would be more likely Áine (O) Griffin. Upon contacting her, the lady perfers a more Irish Gaelic form.

This should be clear of Emory MacMichael (Per chevron azure and vert, a chevron and a chief embattled argent.), with 1 CD for the removal of the chief and 1 CD for the addition of the cross; and Maeve Kilkieran: (Per chevron azure and vert, a chevron argent above three garbs, one and two, Or.), with CDs for change of type, number and tincture of the secondary charges.

(L) Alaric Grümper (Aurochsford): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Argent, on a bend gules between a two-wheeled wooden cart proper and a smith’s hammer reversed sable, handled of wood proper, a chain throughout argent.

The name is German. Alaric is a masculine given name, from the Old German Alaricus (Withycombe, p. 8). Grümper is a German surname, “from Grümpen” (Bahlow, p. 189).

(CT) Alicia Nicole Burcet (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron argent and purpure, two fleurs-de-lys azure and a quaver argent.

Alicia is found in Withycombe, under Alice, and dated to 1189-1215 (pp. 15-16). It comes from the Old French Aliz. Nicole is found in the same source under Nicola, Nicolette, as an undated French form of the feminine version of Nicholas, which itself has a wide number of period variations for men and women (p. 228). Lacking an extensive dated source of Spanish names like Dauzat or Bahlow, I was able to find Burcet online, as a spelling variant of the Spanish/Catalan surname Burset; the amateur genealogist who has been researching her family dates Agusti Burcet-Palau born c. 1672 in Blanes, Gerona, Catalunya, Spain ( This is post-period and probably not the best and brightest documentation, as the quality of geneaological searches can vary widely, but this is a start in finding a date and a source for the surname. Catalonia, in the northeastern quadrant of the Iberian Peninsula, borders France, which seems to have permitted cross-cultural exchange between the areas in period.

Brenna MacGhie of Kintyre: NAME APPEAL from Brenda MacGhie of Kintyre, registered March 2001

I am filing this appeal on behalf of the lady, in that I feel somewhat responsible for the registry of a name element that wasn’t her preferred choice. Her original name submission, Brenna Michaela Sina Macghie of Clan MacKay, was returned by the CoA in 4/2000 because "There are several problems with the name. Brenna is not Gaelic, but is justifiable as possibly Italian. This makes the name acceptable by itself, but not with the rest of the name. The mixture of English and Gaelic spellings in the name is a weirdness. Furthermore, there is no evidence of Scottish or Irish names with two given names, much less three. Also, there is no evidence of the use of Clan <X> in names. Lastly, the Macghie of MacKay implied that the submitter is the clan chief or the clan chief's daughter, which is presumptuous. The submitter should also be informed that Michaela is not Irish." The name resubmission of Brenda MacGhie of Kintyre solved most of the issues by dropping the non-Irish Michaela, the second given name Sine, and the Clan MacKay designation altogether, leaving Brenna MacGhie of Kintyre. This name resubmission was made in conjunction with a new device submission, and I believe that I erroneously urged the lady to submit Brenda as the given name, as it is her legal given name and would be acceptable under the Lingua Franca rule, thereby avoiding the issue of whether Brenna is an appropriate Gaelic given name. I think this was an error on my part, as the original return stated, “Brenna is not Gaelic, but is justifiable as possibly Italian. This makes the name acceptable by itself, but not with the rest of the name.” As a result, the device was registered to the newly-registered Brenda MacGhie of Kintyre. The lady began looking through the Armorial and noted the many Brennas listed therein. While she understands that the College of Arms is not doomed to repeat past mistakes in names research (so that names registered pre-1990 are unlikely good judges of precedent), we both noted that a Brenna McKenzie was registered without Laurel commentary in 4/98. This is a fairly recent approval and seems to argue against the mix of Italian and Gaelic name elements (or possibly, to argue for the use of Brenna as a possible Gaelic name element, as suggested in the original return). Additionally, registration of the name Brenna Beldame in 1999 suggests a migration of an Italian name through France and into Scotland. I also note that Ó Corráin and Maguire say that Brenda might be a feminization of the Irish masculine name Brénainn/Bréanainn, but that its popularity as an Irish woman’s name most likely stemmed from Sir Walter Scott’s novel The Pirate, published in 1821 (p. 34). The lady notes that if Brenna MacGhie of Kintyre is unacceptable, that the College of Arms consider Brenna of Kintyre as her second choice. Brenna is the single most important element of the name to the submitter. Again, I write this appeal on behalf of the lady, as I feel that I might’ve prodded her too strongly in resubmitting a name that was not her first choice.

Brennus is the name of a Gallic (Galatian) warlord-prince, c. 279. This tribe plagued Greece and Rome alike, and at one time or another, was under the protections of Rome ( Brenna is the feminization of this masculine given name. MacGhie is a Scottish surname, from the Irish MacAoidh (Black, p. 496). Kintyre is a peninsula on the western coast of Scotland.

(CT) Cuilén of the Gordons (Tir Ygithr): NEW NAME

Cuilén is an Irish masculine given name (p. 66, Ó Corráin and Maguire). Gordon is a Scottish family name, popular in Ireland, particularly in the Ulster region (p. 132, MacLysaght). While I don’t know if this is an optimal name construction, I am willing to send it up (the submitter refuses minor changes as well).

(L) Daniel de la Neu Claire (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per pale sable and argent, a single-headed chess knight counterchanged.

The name is French. Daniel is found in the “Given Names in 1292 Cenus of Paris,” Colm Dubh ( Neu is being used as an adjective, “new” based on either neuf or nouville (p. 726, entry for Neu, in Dauzat’s Dictionnaire Etymoligique des noms de famille; and p. 493, entries for Neubois and Neubourg in Dauzat and Rostaing’s Dictionnaire etymologique de noms de liex en France). Claire is a slight corruption, with the addition of the -e, to the French family name Claire (p. 223, Dauzat). The entry for Claira in Noms de liex also shows a place name Claire, dated to 1285 (p. 193). This is excellent documentation, provided entirely by the submitter! The sound of the name is the most important issue to the submitter.

This is clear of Aonghais Dubh MacTarbh (Per pale argent and sable, a horse's head couped argent, orbed gules, crined of flames and incensed proper, gorged of a ducal crown Or fimbriated sable.), with 1 CD for change of field, and 1 CD for change of tincture of the primary charge.

(CT) Friðrekr berserkr (Sundragon): NEW NAME

The is Old Norse, and both elements are found in Geirr Bassi’s “The Old Norse Name.” Friðrekr is found on p. 9, and berserkr, a nickname, is found on p. 20.

(L) Iamys MacMurray de Morayshire (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Paly of six vert and argent, two wyverns erect sable, on a chief azure three mullets argent.

The name is Scots. Iamys , “James,” is found in “13th & 14th Century Scottish Names,” Symon Freser of Lovat ( MacMurray is a Galloway surname from an Irish source; this spelling is undated in Black, pp. 546-7. Morayshire is a maritime county in northeastern Scotland ( Correspondence with Elsbeth Anne Rose (Laurel Queen Emerita) considers the issue of pretense (“X of Y” names); it is her opinion that as long as the MacMurray clan does not have an established seat or headquarters in Morayshire, pretense is not an issue. Robert Bain, however, notes that the Murray clan had its origins in the Province of Moray, and that the principal family is said to be descended from Freskin, who received lands in Moray from David I (The Clans and Tartans of Scotland, p. 246). I would prefer to send this on and get feedback on the potential for pretense from the CoA.

(L) Iamys MacMurray de Morayshire: NEW BADGE

Gules, on a pile wavy argent a lion rampant contourny sable.

By RfS X.4.j.ii (a)--Armory that has a group of identical charges on an ordinary or other suitable charge alone on the field is a simple case., this is clear of both Elspeth Fauconneau (Counter-ermine, on a pile wavy argent a joscelyn sable belled Or.) and

Raedwynn æt thæm Grenan Wuda (Per pale purpure and vert, on a pile wavy argent, three mazers sable.), with 1 CD for field and 1 CD for change of the charge on the ordinary.

(CT) Ianuk Raventhourne (Tir Ysgithr): NEW DEVICE

Argent, a pale engrailed gules between a single-horned anvil reversed and a raven close affronty sable.

The name appears in the 1 April 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent.

(L) Ismenia O’Mulryan and Cosmo Craven the Elder (BoAtenveldt): NEW BADGE

Per bend sinister argent and ermine, a bend sinister and in dexter chief a skeletal hand fesswise reversed sable.

The names were both registered March 1999.

The bend sinister needs to be beefed up a bit, and the ermine spots need to be fewer and larger.

(CT) Ivan Petrovich (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME

The name is Russian. Ivan is a variation of Ioann, the Russian form of John. Petrovich, “son of Petr,” the Russian form of Peter. Both elements are found in “A Dictionary of Period Russian Names,” Paul Wickenden of Thanet ( The closest name that we found to this belongs to Ivan Petrovich Pavlov (and if that name rings a bell, he’s the 19th C. Russian behaviorist); deleting the final element avoids a conflict.

(L) Katherine Scarlett Hawkins (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME

The name is English. Katherine is undated but found in Withycombe, p. 186. Scarlett is found in Reaney and Wilson, p. 308; this particular spelling dates to a William Scarlet(t) in 1185. Hawkins is undated but also appears in Reaney and Wilson, p. 169. Sir John Hawkins, an English naval commander, died in 1532 (Webster’s New Biographical Dictionary, p. 455).

(L) Margarette van Zanten (BoAtenveldt): NEW DEVICE CHANGE

Pily bendy Or and azure, a pegasus salient contourny argent.

The name was registered August 1989.

We don’t know the disposition of her currently-held device, Pily bendy azure and Or, a swift migrant bendwise sinister argent., also registered August 1989. At this time, we request that if the device change is registered, the current holding is changed to a badge.

(L) Oddr ölfúss the Tanner (Aurochsford): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Per chevron gules and Or, two drinking horns, mouths to chief, Or, and a leatherworker’s head knife sable.

The name is Norse. Oddr is a masculine given name, found in “Viking Names found in the Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( The byname ölfúss, “desirous of beer,” is found in “Viking Bynames found in the Landnámabók,” Aryanhwy merch Catmael ( He would like assistance in finding the Norse word for “tanner,” so that the entire name can be rendered into a single language.

All of the charges are found in the Pictorial Dictionary.

(L) Raven Mayne (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW NAME

The name is English. Leduuinus filius Renuene (1086) is cited in the Domesday Book, and Rauen de Engelbi is dated to 1185 (Reaney and Wilson, p. 290). Bardsley’s Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames also shows a Raven de Slinghawe (1155), Gospatric filius Raven (1177), and Raven de Riding, (1233) (p. 637). Raven is seen in a Raven Speigele from Kassel, Germany, in 1270 (Dictionary of German Names, Hans Bahlow). Mayne is dated to 1237 in Reaney and Wilson, p. 236.

(L) Robert de Bere (BoAtenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, October 2000

Per pale gules and argent, two ferrets combattant counterchanged.

The name was registered October 2000.

The original submission (Vert, two ferrets combattant Or.), was returned for the beasts on the emblazon not looking like ferrets, but more like wolves/canines. These critters are much more ferretine in nature (probably need more pointy little teeth, though :). This is clear of Vladimir Ivanovich Aleksandrov (Per chevron gules and argent, two otters combattant and another rampant to sinister, all

maintaining glaives, counterchanged.), with 1 CD for difference of the field and 1 CD for differences in number of primary charges.

(CT) Robert Delion (Granite Mountain): NEW DEVICE

Per fess azure and vert, a fess embattled-counterembattled argent between a demi-lion Or maintaining a pair of rapiers fesswise proper and a Maltese cross Or.

The name was registered July 2000.

The fess could use a little widening, probably at least one thickness of the crenelations on its unaffected width. The lion also is gorged with a crown (no, really, it’s there!), which is a charge reserved to past royalty, so that will be removed from the emblazon.

(L) Rose Elizabeth Weaver (Granite Mountain): NEW NAME, DEVICE and BADGE

Quarterly vert and azure, a weaver’s shuttle and an empty drop spindle in saltire argent.

(fieldless) A weaver’s shuttle and an empty drop spindle in saltire argent.

The name is English. Rose is found in England in this form as early as 1316 (Withycombe, p. 258). Elizabeth is found in England as early as 1205, but became very popular in the latter half of the 16th C (Withycombe, pp. 99-100). Weaver is an occupational surname, dated to 1296; this spelling is undated in Reaney and Wilson (p. 374). Some of the name sources provided for this submission are on the discouraged name source list (lack of dates and overall scholarship in the work), but I understand how some libraries aren’t quite up to CoA standards. :) Again, I strongly recommend the Medieval Names Archives ( to anyone interested in researching a period SCA name.

The Pictorial Dictionary states that a drop spindle appears to be threaded by default, so the blazon here has been slightly modified.

(L) Rowan Bridget Blackmoor (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Sable, a Celtic cross between four eyes argent, irised vert.

Rowan is the Anglicized form of the Irish masculine given name Rúadhán (p. 157, Ó Corráin and Maguire). Bridget is the usual Anglicized form of the Irish feminine given name Brigit/Brighid; St. Brigit of Kildare is one of several saints sharing this name (Ó Corráin and Maguire, pp. 36-37). Blackmoor is an English placename; Blakemore and Blackmere are attested in the 12-13th Centuries. (Eckwall, English Place Names, 4th edition, p. 47). This isn’t an ideal construction of a name, but all forms are Anglicized or English; we don’t know if English speakers of late period would mix genders, or if there was much crossover of Irish names into English naming practices. A mixed gender name was registered as recently (relatively speaking ) in 1994, to Rowan Celia FitzMartin.

This should be clear of Charles the Bull (Sable, on a Celtic cross argent a thistle purpure.), with 1 CD for the addition of the secondary charges and 1 CD for the removal of the tertiary charge. It should also be clear of Siobhan an Lochllanach (Sable, a Celtic cross argent atop a mount Or.) with CDs for changes in the type, tincture, and number of secondary charges.

(L) Seamus McDaid (BoAtenveldt): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, December 1999

Per pale argent and azure, a shamrock counterchanged.

The name was registered December 1999.

This is a complete redesign of the original submission, returned for a tincture violation.

(L) Shaun of the Forrest (BoAtenveldt): NEW DEVICE

 Argent, semy of pine trees couped vert.

The name was registered April 1999.

This is clear of Eldred Ælfwald (Argent, semy of pine trees couped vert, a tankard gules foamed Or.) by RfS X.1 Addition of Primary Charges -- Armory does not conflict with any protected armory that adds or removes the primary charge group.

(L) Theresia aus Elp (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Or, a tortoise vert and a chief gules.

T(h)eresia is the Latin form of the female given name T(h)eresa; it is probably most popular post-period with the admiration of Maria Theresia of Austria (Withycombe, p. 276). aus Elp, “from Elp,” a small town on the northern border of Germany, associated with an amber trade route of the 14th C. (Times Atlas of Archeology European and Bronze Age, p. 115-map).

This is probably clear of Katerina Volkovna (Or, a turtle vert within a bordure purpure ermined Or.) There is 1 CD for difference of the secondary charge used (chief vs. bordure), and a second CD for the tincture and semy treatment of the bordure. The submitter should probably make the tortoise a little less shy and have its legs more fully extended.

(L) Willahelm Franz Kesselheim (Sundragon): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Kingdom, August 01

Sable, in fess three firearrows argent.

The name appears in the 1 August 2001 Atenveldt LoI.

This is a complete redesign of his original submission.

Please consider for inclusion in the 1 October 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:


(L) Aileann inghean Fhrancaigh (Barony of Atenveldt): NEW DEVICE

Argent, three trees couped and on a chief vert, three mullets inverted argent, overall a bordure sable.

Because the use of a chief and bordure combination was used only very rarely in period armory, this combination of charges was prohibited by the CoA in December 1991.

Barring conflicts, a bordure could be used if the line of division were moved down and this became Per fess vert and argent, three mullets inverted in fess and three trees couped counterchanged, a bordure sable. Also, this seems to be free of conflicts even if the bordure were removed entirely.

(L) Angus MacGregor (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, on a bend sinister Or three bull’s heads (skulls?) palewise azure.

The name is Anglicized Scottish. Before going any further, however, it is in direct conflict with Angus MacGregor, registered in May 1992. Adding a locative (of Edinburgh, of Dundee, of Pentland Firth), or a descriptive (the Bold, the Fair) would clear the conflict.

If the charges on the bend sinister are meant to be bull’s heads, they might benefit from the addition of ears; as drawn now, they have a certain skeletal quality (yes, he can have a bull’s skull, but the design should either be a head or a skull clearly). This design is in conflict with Richard Andreivitch of Rus (Azure, on a bend sinister Or an estoile sable.) and Denis Flaxenhelm (Azure, on a bend sinister Or, a goblet upright sable.). There is 1 CD for differences between the tertiary charges (one black object vs. three blue heads), but nothing more. There is also a conflict with Katerina Arondel (Azure, on a bend sinister cotissed Or three swallows volant fesswise, wings elevated and addorsed, azure.), with 1 CD for the complex line on the bend sinister; I don’t think there is an additional CD for the tertiaries, as there is only a difference in the type of charges, not in the number or the tincture. If the submitter would consider a semy field (Azure, ermined Or, would be the most likely, although a semy of annulets–reminiscent of the rings in bull’s noses?), the semy would provide the second CD to clear all of these conflicts.

(L) Branwen of Werchesvorde (Sundragon): NEW CHANGE OF DEVICE

Per pale azure and gules, a raven, dexter talon raised, within an annulet argent.

The name was registered September 1992.

The submitter already has a device registered to her, Per pale gules and azure, a bend and a bend sinister both humetty argent fretted with a mascle, a bordure Or. If the new device is registered, the currently-held one should be released.

While birds only have two legs and therefore cannot recreate the postures of quadrupeds, this would’ve blazoned so much easier as passant! This is clear of Raven Silverthorne, Quarterly sable and gules, a raven between three roses argent., with 1 CD for the field and 1 CD for changes to the secondary charges.

(CT) Benedict Saint-Jean Eldridge (BoAtenveldt): NEW NAME CHANGE from Cyngen ap Gwenwynwyn

The submitter’s original name was registered in May 1994. The name is English and French. Benedict is dated to 1273 with this spelling (p. 46, Withycombe). Saint-Jean is found with a host of other saints’ names in Dauzat, p. 355. (Although submitted as St. Jean, it seems that period naming practice is to completely write out Saint.) Eldridge is an undated form of Aldrich (pp. 4-5, Reaney and Wilson); Eldrigge is dated to 1227.

If anyone knows the submitter, can they ask what he wishes to do with his original name, if his new submission is registered?

(L) Dougal O'Sirideain (Granite Mountain): DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, July 2000

Sable, a plate charged with a Celtic cross gules between three Thor’s hammers argent, those in chief heads to center.

The name was registered July 2000.

The original submission (Per saltire sable and gules, on a plate a Celtic cross conjoined to a Thor’s hammer gules.) was returned for violation of RfS XI.4 and difficulty in identifying the conjoined charge.

(CT) Friðrekr berserkr (Sundragon): NEW DEVICE

Per pale argent and gules, a cross formy and a bordure counterchanged.

According to the Pictorial Dictionary, the cross formy’s arms could be straight or concave, the concave form being the earlier depiction of the charge. The center can also come to a point, as is done in the blazon. However, we feel that this is in conflict with Emeric Wendel, Per pale argent and gules, a Maltese cross counterchanged. There is 1 CD for the addition of the bordure, but with the splayed arms found in both crosses formy and Maltese, we don’t feel that there is sufficient difference between crosses to gain the additional CD. Flipping the tinctures (Per pale gules and argent...) presents a similar conflict. However, might the submitter consider Quarterly argent and gules, a cross formy and a bordure counterchanged.? This seems to be clear of conflict.

(CT) Ianuk Raventhourne: NEW BADGE

Argent, a single-horned anvil reversed and a bordure argent.

While it is stipulated that this is a badge for “House Anvil,” no payment was received for registration of the household name. Furthermore, RfS V.2.b.i.--Conflict of Names with the Same Number of Elements., suggests that the household name is in conflict with the registered name for Anvil Pursuivant from the Kingdom of Meridies (the household may use the name in an informal, unregistered fashion). The submitter’s name is currently in submission, however, so there is a name to associate the armorial submission with.

This is probably clear of William Beornsson (Argent, a blacksmith's anvil and a chief wavy sable.) There is 1 CD for the difference between the secondary charges (chief vs. bordure), and 1 CD for orientation of the anvil. However, it is in conflict with

Richard of Black Iron (Argent, a single-horned anvil reversed sable, enflamed proper.) There is one CD for the addition of the bordure, but enflaming a charge with the period “tongues of flame” probably does not provide the necessary second CD. [A precedent made by Da’ud in December 1991: "There is not [a CD] for enflaming the blade of the sword [used as a primary charge]."] The submitter might consider using a semy on the field (or even on the anvil itself) to gain the sencd CD–estencely, a semy of sparks, might be an appropriate idea.

(L) Katerina d’Amboise (BoAtenveldt): NEW DEVICE

Purpure, a sheaf of three arrows Or and on a chief sable fimbriated five estoiles Or.

The name was returned by Laurel, July 2001.

Even if the name had been registered, there is a problem with the device. A peripheral charge like the bordure, the chief and flaunches cannot be fimbriated. The lady might consider an Or chief with sable estoiles, or an Or field with purpure arrows. She could have this design, maintaining the chosen tinctures and charges (and without conflict) as Per fess sable and purpure five estoiles in fess and a sheaf of three arrows Or. (A fess between the upper and lower parts of the field wouldn’t be needed.) Once again, these are very heraldic arrows, with very prominent heads and fletchings, which characterize arrows.

(CT) Marceau de Valmont (BoAteneldt): NEW BADGE

(fieldless) A fleur-de-lys purpure surmounted by a pair of rapiers crossed in saltire Or.

The name was registered July 2001.

(L) Ragnar Skin-Illustrator (BoAtenveldt): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION

Counter-ermine, a dragon segreant contourny azure, maintaining in sinister foreclaw a brush and in dexter foreclaw a human skull argent.

Although I have never received a full submissions packet for either the name or the device (I think the fees are covered in the large submission fee check accompanying this packet), I have heard that this is a resubmission (there is no file for him in the Aten archives). Even now, I have only one color copy of the device submission form, on an obsolete form, with no personal information on it, just the emblazon–no name packet at all (I do have information on his name floating about, but this is NOT how a resubmission, or a submission for that matter, is done).

The device violates the Rule of Contrast. In S.C.A. armory, contrast supersedes any period use of fur, such that a charge placed upon a fur must have adequate contrast with the field of the fur. Since the background tincture of counter-ermine is sable, there is a contrast problem with an azure charge. This would be eliminated if ermine or erminois were used, barring conflict. Bear in mind that the maintained charges will not count any difference toward avoiding conflict. I had also heard that the brush being used is an artist’s brush, but it doesn’t match the artist’s brush seen in the Pictorial Dictionary (it looks like a toothbrush, with bristles collected at one end and to the side of the handle). If this is a type of period brush, some documentation will have to be provided to demonstrate it as such.

(L) Raven Mayne: NEW DEVICE

Argent, in pale a gout de sang and a tick, on a chief sable, a decrescent argent.

Commentary, please. As a rule, “tiny” creatures were not used as heraldic charges (they were not important enough, unless they exemplified a particular virtue, like the industrious bee). Can a tick be seen clearly enough to be portrayed as an heraldic charge? If so, is this an accurate depiction?

The following submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its July 2001 meeting:

Achatius Holtsete. Name and device. Per saltire argent and gules, a rattlesnake erect and coiled contourny sable.

Submitted as Actaeus Holt-Säte, it is not clear that the mythological Attican king Actaeus was entirely human. We have changed the given name to a German one, dated to 1528 in Talan Gwynek, Medieval German Given Names from Silesia. We have also changed the byname to a form dated to 1266 in both Bahlow, Dictionary of German Names and Brechenmacher, Etymologisches Wörterbuch der Deutschen Familiennamen.

Adrienne Noël de Lorraine. Name.

Aífe Fael ingen Brénainn. Name and device. Per saltire gules and vert, in pale two wolf's heads cabossed and in fess two paw prints argent.

Submitted as Aoife an Faol Brénainn, she requested an authentic 11th-12th century Irish name. We have therefore changed the name to match that time period.

Alexander le Browere. Device. Per pale sable and vert, a serpent involved in annulo Or.

This is clear of Weyland O'Faoláin, Per fess embattled vert and Or, in chief a torque, opening to chief, Or. There is a CD for the field and a second for changing the type of the primary charge. Alexander has a letter of permission to conflict with Vladimir Vitalievich Volkov, Per pale argent ermined purpure and purpure, an annulet Or.

Amya Flanagan. Name and device. Gules, on a pale endorsed argent two fir trees vert.

Arabella Thorne. Name and device. Or, a plume gules between flaunches purpure.

Caiterina of Ballyhooly. Device. Vert, a hurst of fir trees within an orle of trefoils argent.

This is clear of the badge for the Freehold Silverwood (Wyndylyn Leanb na Doinneann), Vert, a hurst of blasted birch trees argent. There is a CD for adding the secondary charges and a second for the difference between a fir tree and a blasted birch tree.

Camilla Maria Hazelwood. Name and device. Or, a chameleon vert perched upon a threaded needle bendwise sinister inverted sable, a bordure invected vert.

Cecelya le Nadlere. Name.

Ciarán Breathnach. Name.

Czendes Sadany. Device. Azure, a dragonfly Or, a chief embattled argent.

Darius Xavier Drake. Name.

Eoghan MacFhearguis. Device. Or, two dragons involved in annulo vert winged sable.   

Fergus MacInnes. Name.

Finbarr Mathgamain mac Conchobair. Name and device. Azure, four claymores inverted interlaced as a fret interlaced by a claymore inverted Or.

Submitted as Fionnbharr Conchobhar na Mathanan, he requested an authentic 11th-12th century Scots/Irish name. We have therefore changed the name to a pre-1200 Irish form.

The name is not strictly authentic, however: while the first byname is a word meaning bear it is unattested as a byname. It is widely used as a given name, however, and there was some concern that this combination would be mistaken as having a double given name. Still, there are several Gaelic elements that occur as both given names and descriptive bynames, and because of this we feel comfortable registering this one.

Four Mountains, March of the. Name and device. Argent, on a bend cotised azure four mountains couped palewise argent, in sinister chief a laurel wreath vert.

Gabrielle la Broderesse. Name.

Gile Gareth Greywolf. Device. Azure, a wolf’s head erased affronty between three compass stars argent.

Giliana Spencer de Windermere. Name and device. Quarterly argent and azure, on a bend sable between two roses four roses argent.

Gudrun Bogsveigir. Name (see RETURNS for device).

Hrefna karlsefni. Name (see PENDS for device).

Submitted on the LoI as Hrefna Karsefni, we have corrected the typo in the byname and changed it to lower case.

Jean Pierre Détoile. Name (see RETURNS for device).

John Turner of Kingsbridge. Device. Azure, on a bend sinister gules fimbriated between six wheels three goats passant palewise Or. Juliana McBride. Name (see RETURNS for badge).

Lefled Willoughby. Name and device. Lozengy argent and sable, on a pile vert a willow tree eradicated Or.

Submitted as Lleoffled Willoughby, we have changed the given name to match the submitted documentation.

The device is clear of the Order of the Willow (Kingdom of the Middle), Purpure, a willow tree eradicated Or. While a pile conflicts with a chausse, in that Lleoffled's device would conflict with the hypothetical Gules chausse argent, a willow tree Or, it is not reblazonable as a chausse field. Thus we do not have to compare it against the Order of the Willow as if it were a chausse field, so the device is clear by RfS X.2, Difference of Primary Charges (pile vs. tree).

It is also clear of Finn Silverfox, Vert, chausse chequy argent and sable, a fox dormant argent; because it has a chausse field we do have to compare the two as if they both have chausse fields and as if they both have piles. In the former case they are clear by RfS X.2. In the latter case they are clear with a CD for the field (lozengy argent and sable versus checky argent and sable) and a second CD for substantially changing the type of the tertiary charge.

Madok the Strong. Name and device. Per bend sinister sable and lozengy argent and gules, in dexter chief three bulls heads cabossed argent.

Manus Syme. Name and device. Quarterly Or and vert, a cross argent, in dexter chief three cinquefoils one and two vert, a chief embattled per pale vert and Or.

Please instruct the submitter to draw the chief larger.

Marceau de Valcourt. Name and device. Or, a rapier bendwise sinister purpure a bordure purpure semy-de-lys bases to center Or.

Submitted as Jean François Marceau de Valcourt, the submitter asked that if the College could find justification for Marceau as a given name we would drop the first two given names. Marceau is found in Morlet, Dictionnaire étymologique des noms de famille, and while it is undated there it is also a normal diminutive of Mark, which is dated to c. 1500 in Bordeaux. We have therefore made the requested change.

Morwenna teg Caernarvon. Name.

Submitted as Morwenna teg y Caernarvon, no documentation was provided for the article y (“the”) in the locative byname. We have dropped it.

Muirenn ingen Thigernáin. Name and device. Per bend sinister azure and vert, a bow reversed argent.

Submitted as Muireann ingen Thighearnáin, she requested an authentic pre-1100 Irish name. We have therefore changed the name to match that time period.

Odo Drake. Name.

Pawel Ptasznik and Melisande Ptasznik. Joint Badge. (Fieldless) A squirrel rampant vair.

Rhys ap Gwylym Tatershal. Name change from Rhys ap Gwylym.

His former name is released.

Rowan of the Titans. Name change from Rowan O Curry.

The byname is already registered to her husband. Her former name is released.

Sean Holden. Device. Argent, a wooden Halifax Gibbet proper bladed sable.

A Halifax Gibbet is a early form of guillotine.

Tacye Okelly. Name and device. Purpure, two chevronels and on a chief argent three irises purpure.

Tavotai Koghunnoxaiyin. Name and device. Per fess Or and gules, an enfield rampant counterchanged.

Thomas MacPherson. Name and device. Argent billety gules, three trowels sable.

Tomaso Floreano. Name and device. Or, in bend sinister a wooden mallet bendwise inverted proper and a wood-handled chisel bendwise inverted proper bladed argent, a bordure sable.

Submitted as Tomaso de Floreano, the byname is not locative. Rather, Floreano comes from the Latin cognomen Florianus; as such the locative particle is inappropriate. The name does not mean of Firenze, as the submitter thought, but ,since he specifically asked us not to change the name to a form using Firenze, we have simply dropped the particle.

Widsith Devona of Exmoor. Reblazon of badge. Per bend sinister sable and vert, a snowy egret rising wings displayed argent.

Ysabella Scarlet. Name.

The following submissions were returned by the College of Arms, July 2001, for further work:

Ealasaid Nic Shuibhne and Robert de Bere. Joint Badge. Gules, a sealion erect argent tailed Or.

Conflict with Kieran Storn, Gules, a seabull rampant argent, tail nowed Or. There is a CD between the two charges, but while there is substantial difference between a bull and a lion, there is not a substantial difference between the two sea-beasts as the sea tails sharply reduces the difference between the two. Therefore they are not clear by RfS X.2, Difference of Primary Charges.

Gudrun Bogsveigir. Device. Quarterly gules and azure, a wolf’s head erased within a bordure argent.

Conflict with Conrad of Northfield, Sable, a wolf's head erased within a bordure argent, with only a single CD for changing the field.

Jean Pierre Détoile. Device. Per pale sable and argent, two estoiles of eight rays counterchanged.

Conflict with Dermid Ross, Per pale sable and argent, in fess two mullets of four points saltirewise counterchanged. As estoiles and mullets are not substantially different, this cannot be clear via RfS X.2, Difference of Primary Charges. There is a CD for the type of charges, but nothing for orientation as the points of the mullets saltirewise occupy the position of some of the rays of the estoile.

Juliana McBride. Badge. Azure, a hare rampant Or sustaining an arrow inverted argent.

Conflict with the badge for Sten av Norden, Azure, an arrow inverted demi-barbed to sinister argent. There is not a CD for the changes to the arrow, therefore there is only a single CD for adding the hare.

Katerina d’Amboise. Name.

Unfortunately, Catherine de Medici, the Queen of France and mother of King François II, had her favourite residence in the castle of Amboise. Furthermore, she ended the first round in the major religious wars of 16th century France by the Edict of Amboise. Because of this, the castle is closely enough associated with the queen that the combination implies identity with her and is therefore presumptuous.

The following submission was pended until the CoA’s November 2001 meeting:

Hrefna Karlsefni. Device. Per pale Or ermined purpure, and purpure, a feather argent.

Electrum found several badges belonging to various English nobility, to wit: John of Gaunt, A plume argent with a gold chain along the quill; Thomas Duke of Gloucester, A plume argent with a garter along the quill; John Beaufort, Duke of Somerset, A plume argent, the quill company argent and azure.

While the people themselves are important, it is less clear that their badges are. Electrum notes, however, that the general theme of individual English royalty using a single white feather during this time might be enough to make at least one of the badges important enough to protect. We invite your commentary on the subject.

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