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1 July 2001, A.S. XXXVI

Kingdom of Atenveldt

Unto Their Royal Majesties Gallochbhar and Haley; Mistress Magdelen Venturosa, Aten Principal Herald; the Heralds in the Atenveldt College of Heralds; and to All Whom These Presents Come,

Greetings from Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy, Brickbat Herald!

This is the July 2001 internal Atenveldt Letter of Intent. It precedes the external LoI that will contain the following submissions, asking questions of submitters and local heralds who have worked with them; if these questions are not addressed, the submission may be returned by the Atenveldt College of Heralds. You are encouraged to comment upon these submissions, whatever your experience level. Please have your comments to me on the submissions being considered for the 1 August LoI by 25 July. I accept online commentary:

Submissions Website: You can send electronic commentary on the most recent internal LoIs through the site, in addition to any questions you might have. Current submission forms (the ONLY forms that can be used!) can be found on the site. Please let your local populace know about the site, too:

Crown Lists: The September Crown Tournament will be held in the Barony of Sundragon; you might want to remind prospective entrants and their consorts that names and devices must at least be in submission, as per Kingdom Law, as one requirement to participate in the Lists. Just thinking ahead! :)

Consultation Table: There will be a Consultation Table at the Atenveldt Arts and Sciences Competition on 4 August. If you know potential submitters with "special needs" (name sources in uncommon languages, regional armory) who are attending the event and wish to consult, let me know so I can bring appropriate references. Please encourage folks who have had submissions returned to consult, so resubmissions can be undertaken. You are always invited to participate at the Table-even if you think you aren't skilled, you will be surprised how you can help and what you might be able to learn.

Congratulations: to Lady Honor, Prism Pursuivant, who is training up a new herald, her son Jonathan David. Lady Rosalinda furnished the Sundragon submissions report and did a wonderful job with it! For the moment, I suspect, Jonathan shows more promise as a field herald rather than as a book herald.

Please consider the following submissions for inclusion in the 1 August 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Andrew of Greyhorse (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly sable and argent, in pale a pair of open shackles and a tankard counterchanged.

Andrew is a saint's/apostle's name, and it was very popular in medieval England, as evidenced by over 650 churches dedicated to St. Andrew (Withycombe, pp. 23-4). Grayhorse is an attested tavern name, dated to the time of Henry VII, found in Bardsley, p. 334, "English Sign Names," Mari Elspeth nic Bryan (

Desideratus of York (Sundragon): NEW NAME AND DEVICE

Argent, a cross purpure between in chief two eagles displayed and two clay pipes palewise sable.

Desideratus was the name of the last Lombard king of Italy and of a 7th C. French saint; it was common in the Middle Ages and found in England, probably as an ecclesiastical name, in 1200 (Withycombe, p. 83). York is a city in medieval England, according to "A collection of 613 English Borough Names for Use in Locative Bynames," by Frederic Badger (

The Pictorial Dictionary states that the standard SCA peipe is a long-stemmed clay pipe, as is depicted here, and this form of pipe was manufactured in England as early as 1575-hence it is a period artifact and can be used as an heraldic charge. This might be reminiscent of marshalling, but the cross as primary charge keeps it from being so, and it should avoid any question as to that, based on the registration of Michela Delfino's armory in May 2001 (see below).

Dirk van het Muiderslot (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

Or, a spear interlaced with a longbow fesswise, a bordure azure.

The name submission appears in the 1 May 2001 Atenveldt LoI.

Noblefields, Incipient Shire of (Prescott Valley, AZ): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Azure, two antelopes combattant, in chief a laurel wreath Or, and a base barry wavy Or and azure.

This submission was mentioned last month, and I now have paperwork for it. A few comments:

I didn't receive paperwork for the shire name, nor payment for the name (I will contact the herald to solve this). The name is English, and I am still concerned about it. Period names are pragmatic--a human's attributes might be noted (Fair, Black, Noble, Greedy) in his byname, but landscapes are described in a fairly cut-and-dry manner: Greenfields, Black Mountain, Oxford, etc.). A "Noble" Field seems somewhat incongruous, as how does one determine if a piece of land is "noble"? (An exception to this might be Richfield, one that is successful at producing good, bountiful crops-but then, this might be derived from owner name rather than a desciptive for the land itself.) We might be able to argue the name as a locative, Noble's Fields/Noblesfields/Noble Fields/Noblefields -- land owned by a man or the family Noble/Nobles. This is a 12th C. English surname, and the construction is similar to that seen with inns and hostelries. Can anyone provide documentation for Noblefields as a period placename?

This isn't a base barry wavy, which has an even number (more than two) of bands. For a base, four bands make a nice barry wavy.

And once again, no populace consent form was included with the submissions.

Sarra del Oke (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Vert, in fess three oak leaves Or, in base a rose argent, barbed and seeded Or.

Sarra is found in Curia Rolls 1189-1215, a Biblical/Hebrew name used as a Christian name in England from the 12th C. (Withycombe, pp. 263-4, under "Saha(h)"). del Oke is dated to 1275 as an English surname (Reaney and Wilson, p. 327, under "Oak, Oake").

Willahelm Franz Kesselheim (Sundragon): NEW NAME and DEVICE

Quarterly sable and argent, in pale a fire arrow fesswise, point to dexter, and a spoon and a fork crossed in saltire counterchanged.

Willahelm is an Old German masculine name, from which William, Wilhelm, and their likes are derived (Withycombe, pp. 293-4).Franz is the German form of Francis (Withycombe, pp. 120-1). Kesselheim is a coined byname, "kettle-home," possibly a reference to a tinker or ironworker. It has been previously registered to Rosalinda Gertrude Kesselheim, in December 1999.

I have two concerns with the device. The first: as all charges are co-primaries (of equal weight), this might be construed as slot-machine heraldry, the use of three non-identical charges in an arrangement that would, in period, almost always be occupied by three identical charges. The second: the charges crossed in saltire, the spoon and the fork, might run afoul of the prohibition on the use of two similar but non-identical charges on the device; recall that this was the reason for return of Kayleigh von Bruckenheim's device (using a reed pen and an artist's brush crossed in saltire), as seen in my May 2001 report. There are no examples of a fork and a spoon used in this orientation in the online Ordinary. I think the first concern would be the one that the CoA would use if this were to be returned.

Might I suggest: changing the spoon and fork to either two spoons or two forks? That reduces the number of types of primary charges to two: the arrow and a kitchen utensil. The other alternative is to use a counterchanged chief and "push" the per fess line up toward the chief to achieve it; the arrow is a narrow enough charge that it would lie nicely on the chief, and because it is on the chief, it becomes a tertiary charge. As a result, again there are only two primary charges, a spoon and a fork (again, there might be squawking about the use of two similar but non-identical charges, but that might be a risk worth taking, if the submitter would prefer to maintain all the original charges). The blazon on this redesign becomes: Per pale argent and sable, a spoon and a fork cross in saltire, on a chief a fire arrow fesswise, point to dexter, all counterchanged. Can the local herald(s) pass these comments to the submitter?

Good things though: this is a great depiction of an arrow...pretty beefy and with a pronounced head and fletchings. Also, making the most "identifiable" parts of the fire-arrow (the point and the fire) a light tincture helps with its quick identification.

The following appear in the 1 July 2001 Atenveldt Letter of Intent:

Beatrice Lumini (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

Lozengy Or and vert, a gondola prow sable.

The name was registered August 1998.

Bertrand de Lacy (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME

Bertrand is the French form of the masculine given name Bertram (Withycombe, p. 49). A Holme Lacy is cited in the Domesday Book, Herefordshire Index ( Adding the preposition de is a common Norman practice.

Francesca Geredrudis Kesselheim (Sundragon): NAME and DEVICE RESUBMISSION from Laurel, 2/01 and 3/01

Gules, a pall inverted Or between two unicorns rampant combattant argent and a natural tiger couchant argent, marked sable.

The name was returned by the CoA for lack of paperwork being sent to Laurel; additionally, the CoA could not find a period date for her original given name, Franziskca, and the submitter will accept the period Italian form Francesca, as suggested by the College. Geredrudis is the Old German form of Gertrude (p. 132, respectively, Withycombe). Kesselheim, "kettle home," was not found as a period surname although we have found several families with this surname on the net,undated; it also has been registered to her mother, Rosalinda Gertrude Kesselheim. January 1999.

Katheryn von Schlegel (Mons Tonitrus): NEW NAME

Katheryn is one of several German forms of the name Katherine, dated to 1383, "Medieval German Given Names from Silesia

Women's Names," Talan Gwynek ( Schlegel is found as a German surname in Bahlow, p. 448. I cannot discern whether it is a placename (period examples give a simple Slegel in 1247 and 1309), which would take the preposition von ("of/from X"), although I found online an individual in the 18 th C. with the name von Schlegel (Friedrich von Schlegel, b. 1772). A quick look in an online German-English cites schlegel as meaning "leg," in a cooking sense (like a leg of lamb or a haunch of beef or venison?). The submitter does allow minor changed to be made, so if the von needs to be dropped for the rest of the name to be registered, it can be done. (Hmmmm...legs...this might be an interesting cant for the lady's armory!)

Killian M'Cahall (Tir Ysgithr): NEW BADGE

Azure, in bend sinister two quavers Or.

The name was registered June 1995.

The blazon follows the form that is seen with another badge recently registered to the submitter in April 2001, Gules, in fess two quavers Or.

William of Ravenscroft (Tir Ysgithr): NEW NAME CHANGE, "Pearce Redsmythe"

Although Pearce/Pierce appears fairly early as a surname, it is derived from given names such as Peris (1296) and Peres (1292), from the Old French Piers, the nominative form of Peirre, "Peter" (Reaney and Wilson, p. 273, under "Pierce"). Other alternative spellings using it as a given name include Pers (c. 1515), and Pears and Peirce in 1641 (Withycombe, p. 243, under "Peter"). We ask that the College of Arms consider this spelling a reasonable variant, given the many forms seen as a given name, even in very late period.

Redsmythe is an occupational byname, referring to a work in brass; it is referenced in the Book of Trades ( Eygentliche Beshreibung Aller Staende auff Erden), published in 1568 by Hans Sachs. Documentation is forwarded to Laurel. It's interesting to note that there seemed to be as many bynames as there are specific metals to work: blacksmith (iron, steel), Whitesmith (tin), Goldsmith, Coppersmith, and Silversmith. The slight spelling variation is undated but appears in Reaney and Wilson under "Smith," p. 325. The submitter will accept no changes to the name.

The following Atenveldt submissions were registered by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its May 2001 meeting:

Aleyn Randwulf. Name.

Galen Ó Seanacháin. Device. Per pall inverted purpure, sable, and Or, two wolf's heads erased addorsed argent and a tree blasted and couped vert.

Gile Gareth Greywolf. Name.

Submitted as Gil Gareth the Greywolf, the documentation for the first element seems to be based on a misreading of Bardsley's A Dictionary of English and Welsh Surnames. We have changed it to a form of Giles dated to 12th century in Reaney and Wilson's A Dictionary of English Surnames. We have also dropped the unattested article from the nickname. As he requested an authentic 12th-14th century name we would have dropped the second given name/first byname; but since he does not allow major changes, we cannot do this.

Gracian de La Rochelle. Name and device. Purpure, a sea-serpent ondoyant argent, a bordure argent semy-de-lys azure.

Katherine Bradon of Carlisle. Device. Argent, a spiderweb azure surmounted by a spider sable, a bordure embattled azure ermined argent.

Llewellyn Baedd Gwyn. Name and device. Per chevron sable and gules, a chevron and in base a boar statant argent.

Michela Delfino. Device. Per fess azure mullety Or and vert, a cross between in base two dolphins haurient respectant argent.

While this resembles marshalling, it does not directly violate RfS XI.3, Marshalling, nor does it match any of the types of period marshalling that we prohibit.

The following submissions were returned by the S.C.A. College of Arms at its May 2001 meeting for further work: NONE!

I remain,

Marta as tu Mika-Mysliwy

c/o Linda Miku

2527 East 3rd Street, Tucson AZ 85716


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